Remember that time the Dora Milaje almost murdered Walker in cold blood over him touching one of them on the shoulder?
The writers wanted you to root for them btw.
Remember that time the Dora Milaje almost murdered Walker in cold blood over him touching one of them on the shoulder?
Walker was a bad person.
He wasn't. Dora was violating the Accords her own damn country pushed through. She was also illegally on US soil.
Thundercats are on the move. Thundercats are LOOSE!
>She was also illegally on US soil.
Weren't they in Europe?
>Weren't they in Europe?
Were they? Been a while. Point stands about illegal entry. I swear to frick she was on a black op, no pun intended.
They're all on a black OP. The guys want to stop the terrorists and needed Zemo's help. The Dora want to kick their asses and haul Zemo back to prison for the death of T'Chaka.
You can't murder someone just because you don't like them
Agreed. Abolish the death sentence
It's not murder because I'm the only real person.
Bruce Banner/Hulk has murdered thousands because he simply didn't like people, he's a hero.
He didn't, remember that every time he's on the rampage he calculates trajectories of the debrief so the won't hurt anyone.
>HULK SMASH!!!
>Meanwhile, Banner is on the inside, doing a trillion calculations a second JUST so Hulk could unconciously smash just a little harder at very precise angles so when he topples a building, it collapses in a way that forms a pathway the people trapped inside can escape through.
Tell that to every racist or crooked ass cop in the
He was a man out of his depth, given a job that he was severely under qualified to perform (pre-Serum), I'd cut him some slack.
Perhaps both of them were true
I wonder if the average person can notice that the Dora are no different than CIA operatives fricking over other people and countries on behalf of the most technological advance nation
Never watched the final episode, huh?
He is my favorite character from Nu-marvel after endgame.I liked his character arc more than Bucky and Sam. I am not even American.
Its mostly fanboys and americans who hate him just because he exist
Nah, he did right by killing the terrorist.
I get he was an butthole but he is more of an adorkable butthole rather than a bad guy.
>Remember that time the Dora Milaje almost murdered Walker in cold blood over him touching one of them on the shoulder?
"touch me again and the hands come off" is pretty much a stock phrase at this point
its been muttered by both heroes and villains over the years, and its become pretty much a value neutral expression, it firmly establishes someone as an easily angered badass
>Source: my ass
>easily angered
Yes
>badass
No, but if you work at Ninja Theory I could see the confusion
Remember when Wakanda had a military beyond ugly bald women.
Progressive shows have to empower black women by making them all bald literal spear chuckers despite being an advanced society that definitely has access to star wars level laser guns for...reasons. one can argue that this garbage couldn't feel any more racist even if an actual kkk member wrote it.
you forget the spear can shot lasers
Sonic blasts, but functionally the same.
They took this from us, and gave us ugly bald women..
>Remember when Wakanda had a military beyond ugly bald women.
I like the ugly bald women and impractical weapons!
It makes it much much much easier to dismiss Wakanda as a bullshit place.
Fricking dirt roads and rhino milk.
>Ywn be Bucky and bang a bald Wakandan chocolate babe sitting atop a Rhino you had JUST milked a few minutes earlier, and pause to take a swig of that delicious nectar and pour it all over her nipples
They also have easily swayed male soldiers who use heavily armed animals.
Remember?
The enemy yhat the bald spear chucking black women have to be masculine dykey and need no man squad were....the wakandan men...who were all terrorist criminals who were swayed by an angry pro black terrorist gangster from the hood!!!
I SHIT YOU NOT
THIS IS THE GODDAMNED STORY
There are no goid black men save fir a soft buck tooth reactive simp and a fat effeminate titty having vegetarian.
Litterally all of the black men are evil.
The black women who aren't dykey masculine ball breakers are victims of the ebul ghetto black terrorist!!
Said victim was a caramel colored feminine woman and more attractive then every black woman in the hero group with only a few of the bald b***hes being hot when they wore wigs and weren't carrying around their combination racist and loser b***h penis envy spear.
>The writers wanted you to root for them btw.
Didn't care for either of them, Walker's a b***h. Zemo taking advantage of their petty bullshit to escape was fun tho
I find bucky and Sam's behavior were immature and not at all heroic. they hated the guy just because he was assigned to be the next cap and gave him shit when he was being friendly and offering to work together to stop the terrorist. They were laughing at him when the bald b***hes broke some international laws and assaulted him for no good reason
You're just now realizing that Superheroes are a bully fantasy for nerds?
Bucky and Sam could have handled it better, but Walker also was being a prick and acting like just because he was given the shield that made him Captain America in any way that mattered. Sam was very much projecting his own anger at being betrayed by the government onto Walker, but Walker felt entitled to a level of respect and authority that no one else in the superhero arena felt any reason to given him.
>Captain America in any way that mattered
Same way falcon did it huh?
Walker has 3 (three) Medals of Honor, a completely unrealistic number that has never been awarded to a single American in history.
Any man with 3 MoHs would be regarded as a demigod, a Hercules reborn. He could piss on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington and get away with it.
Sam did not show Walker the respect that his sacrifices for America, entitled him to.
Bucky is justified cuz his only friendship was Cap so makes sense why he would act rash towards someone claiming the title his friend got by his own.
Now Sam is the one who really ended up inmature given he was the one who leaved the shield
Sam gave away the shield
Which is so ironic because the rest of the show was about questioning how much the US government oversteps. Sam and Bucky are constantly wondering if maybe their doing government dirty work behind the backs of other countries is ethical, yet Wakandans doing the same is “bad ass”. This is just another example of writers making choices from the meta perspective of the audience as opposed to that of what’s logical in universe.
Remember when walker killed a guy who had surrendered and got free to wlk away at the end of the series
I do remember when John Walker killed one of the guys responsible for blowing up a building full of people.
Exactally, he should have arrested the guy instead of executing him.
Anyway, if wanda is coming back. Then everything is allowed
He was a Super Solider and therefore a threat no matter the situation. Also he'd just helped kill his friend. Death was too good for him.
Not walkers call to make
yes it is terrorist simp
>No! Not Nico! My precious murderer baby! Feel bad for him!
Are we disregarding the people falcom killed in the opening helicopter scene if this show?
Yes. Along with every single assassination and revenge killings the Avengers have ever done, of which there are many.
All those guys were shooting at falcon. Walker had the guy surrendered.
But again, fricking wanda is going to be redeemed
It seems that it's OK if the "good guys" are doing it.
I recall the murder saying "just kidding" after he helped get Walkers friend killed. I know I would be totally calm in this situation.
That's an odd way to hear "It wasn't me."
But his actions did result in Lamar's death. And he is a terrorist that burned buildings with lots of people in them.
Shhh. Don't talk about that. He was just a poor baby the big mean Captain America killed.
>But his actions did result in Lamar's death
His last interaction with Lamar was leaving him safely tied up in a bathroom. Lamar died by jumping in between two super soldiers who were fighting each other.
John Walker did nothing wrong.
Ok, he might've done a few things wrong, but killing a mass murdering terrorist (who aided in the death of his friend and a US Service Member) to stop that terrorist from killing even more people is not one of them.
Motherfrickers are all about flouting the rule of law so long as it's someone they like doing it. And if you point it out, they'll say you're siding with THE BAD GUYS, when you're siding with the shit that separates us from the goddamned primates and it's so fricking tiresome.
Law has nothing to do with it, John made best tactical decision and the best moral decision.
The show sucks because it wants you to believe that John making those decisions should not happen and he should be vilified for doing those things when in reality the opposite is true, he made the right call regardless of law and order.
>Law has nothing to do with it, John made best tactical decision and the best moral decision.
Summary executions are not, in any sane, civilized society "the best moral decision" and frick you, and your mother for suggesting otherwise.
As for tactics? The guy was down, unarmed, entirely unable to injure him. Regardless of the guy's crimes, he's caught. He's a prisoner and entitled to the rights of the accused.
Rights that if we don't follow we're just opening the door to tyranny or anarchy and either one means a bad fricking time for your dumb ass.
>Motherfrickers are all about flouting the rule of law so long as it's someone they like doing it.
Hilariously, Zemo makes basically this same argument in the show. You only think supersoldiers are a GOOD thing if you have them and no one else does. The moment someone else looks like they might get ahold of them, especially if they can get them before you do, and suddenly is all "fate of the world" and "they must be stopped". The real answer is that no one should have them. There is no non-jingoistic, non-imperialistic argument for the creation of a super soldier.
Tony Stark should've dragged that Ten Rings goon all the way to Guantanamo Bay instead of giving him to a crowd of pissed off civilians who will more than likely murder him slowly and painfully.
Oh wait, that didn't have "scary and dark" music and "villainous" slow-mo with close-ups on blood, so that's actually a heroic moment.
Exactly!
‘Member Ghadafi guys? I ‘member ghadafi.
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No he shouldn't have, not only would that not be in line with his character, he made someone who was armed and dangerous no longer a threat to the people he was posing a major threat to just moments before, Tony did the right thing, maybe not the best thing he could've done, but it's a lot better than letting him escape or worse, order the needless death of civilians.
You're a b***h by the way, no (You)s from me.
A-fricking-mazing. I go out of the way to make my sarcasm so clear even a lobotomite could get it and Cinemaphile still struggles with it.
Who are you?
I have no idea how anyone could miss that I was mocking "Walker is so evil and rephrensible for killing that poor superpowered terrorist" morons with this
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Poe's law.
This show’s morality was all over the place. I’m not saying a character has to have the same morality as me or all the characters in the MCU do, but there are many issues with this show. Here’s some I found with no particular order:
>Vague mentioning of Steve Roger’s. Is he alive or dead?
>No other heroes for backup
>Sam and Bucky break out Zemo, someone who murdered others as collateral and act high and mighty around John Walker
>Sharon Carter is evil because she was “abandoned”
>Sam says don’t call them terrorists when they burn down a building, kill innocents, threaten his family, steal, and have plans to kill more. He refuses to hit or kill Carly in the final fight. He better apply this everywhere: Don’t call him a mad titan!
>the problem with his logic too is how much the other heroes kill. Wanda and Pietro were radicalized by Hydra. The avengers lay waste to dozens of Sokovians. They killed redeemable people Sam should have major issues with them.
>the bald ladies from Wakanda trample through other country’s sovereignty but it’s bad if the Americans do it
>The Wakandans try and kill John walker with a spear throw, then again they try to kill John and Lamar after a shoulder touch. Bucky and Sam do nothing at first to help them. Zemo slips out the back.
>John, in my opinion, should have taken the guy he killed alive however he was a super soldier and a living weapon and Carly his in the truck pretending to be a non-enemy (history of faking). Not a justification, but his best friend was also killed and these people repeatedly escaped.
>Not everyone had to understand an issue to know it’s wrong or right. Someone might see a parent abuse their child, know it’s wrong, but is worried the child could be put in worse conditions if separated from the parent so doesn’t know what action to take. The issue at hand with half the population coming back IS complicated and Sam’s speech at the end comes off as hollow and naive.
>Sam couldn’t get a loan. Also, he didn’t want to endorse an energy drink or something? I’m fine with him thinking it’s disrespectful to heroes but they should’ve had a line about it
>The Wakandans are so mad about their king’s murderer that they take him to…The Raft? Why?? Wouldn’t he be in a Wakandan prison or dead?
>Why did the US military send a regular dude, even if he was a good soldier, to fight super soldiers after it was revealed what they were? PR brand nightmare: New Captain America dead
>I’m not opposed to race topics being in media, but these characters never talked like that or about it before so it feels out of character
>Personal preference: having multiple characters with the same power and same source of it is lame and devalues the character/ability
>Too proud to monetize his career
>Too proud to ask his billionaire friend for a loan
>Does missions for the government seemingly for very little money
Sam deserved to be poor.
>having multiple characters with the same power and same source of it is lame and devalues the character/ability
Yes. Ant Man worked better when he was the only one with these powers.
having the same source builds theme
star wars/avatar >>>>> xmen where everyone has random powers yet they are all supposed to be evolving???
>This show’s morality was all over the place.
For me it was the lead terrorist blowing up a whole building full of people, planning to blow up more, and then dying and getting Falcon to carry her body down from the skies like he was an angel
For me, it was Walker saving both Bucky and Sam and the two acting like he was in the wrong for doing so.
Carter is evil because she was “abandoned”
I would be mad too if the guy I liked dumped me completely and chose my aunt
She has probably the cringiest "YAAS QUEEN" dialogue in the MCU and that's saying a lot
The Wakandans are the Villains.
What if he doesn't use his hands?
They didn't try to murder him. They were humiliating him. Plus Walker deserved it for being a dick
>characters act against Sam and Bucky, the protagonists
>”the writers wanted you to root for them!”
moron.
If this is true then why do Sam and Bucky fight them back and try to stop it?
>The writers wanted you to root for them btw.
and they are right.
might makes right.
By taking away Walker's shield, they not only show disrespect to the entire generation of millennials and zoomers who have spent the last 20 years fighting America's longest war in Afghanistan and Iraq... but they have also emasculated a PTSD-ridden basedboi like Walker. Losing the shield would be having your wiener and balls snipped off. They castrated Walker.
>show disrespect to the entire generation of millennials and zoomers who have spent the last 20 years fighting America's longest war in Afghanistan and Iraq
Based.