remember when everyone and their mother were like "yeah this is totally darth plagueis, how cool" and jj abrams didn't even know what t...

remember when everyone and their mother were like "yeah this is totally darth plagueis, how cool" and jj abrams didn't even know what they were talking about

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They fricked up royal by not making him a giant that he was suggested to be. Disney is creatively bankrupt.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >giant snoke attacks rebel base
      >they run around with cables and tie up his legs
      Would've been so kino

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Basically nearly yeah. I was thinking more of Bespin duel meets Jack and the Beanstalk.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It would have been even better if he were a Yoda sized creature

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No. A giant. Giants are interesting. Yoda is interesting, but using that plot device again in the evil character is lame. OH IT RHYMES. Go to bed, George.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is more poetic when the villain who presents himself as a giant is actually a tiny goblin

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Dude, what if it was like Wizard of Oz, it's so smart
            FRICK YOU, WE WANT GIANTS

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That would have been dumb. Even a child watching the movie understands he used a big hologram for intimidation, it's laughable you thought it was meant to suggest he was actually a giant

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't know about bigger snoke theory

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                For me, it's Proboscis Snoke

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The bigger question is, will they use Luuke [sic] in their Heir to the Empire movie?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Even a child watching the movie understands he used a big hologram
                You're wrong and making shit up. I remember people in the audience being letdown when they released it was a hologram and then were letdown again when he wasn't a giant.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I was hoping the smaller snoke was just cover for him being too big to fit in a spaceship

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I cringed. Thanks for that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well what else are you going to do at 40 feet tall? remodel all the hallways?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You could dunk the galaxy in the toilet....
                HOT POCKETS!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Even a child watching the movie understands he used a big hologram for intimidation
                Which makes it even cooler if he's ACTUALLY a giant.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I hate Disney so much, anon.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. I thought he was an actual giant at first which was a cool concept. Giant Snoke and Finn being the protagonist would've made it a classic kino instead of woke shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Black as protaganist
        ehh, gross

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          John Boyega is an ugly gorilla looking dude but a sequel trilogy following a force sensitive stormtrooper who breaks his conditioning and his rivalry against Kylo Ren would have been 10x better than Rey: The Last Airbender.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why the FRICK did they scrap him and decided to go with the much less interesting and way more moronic route of Palpatine being the big bad?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think what Rian did with Kylo and Snoke was the correct choice narratively; at least he attempted to avoid the final film of the trilogy being a rehash of ROTJ

      Pushing Kylo into the mold of the villain of the last film, with no evil space wizard above him, at least created an interesting narrative challenge because the audience sympathizes with Kylo Ren so he can't just be obliterated or thrown into a bottomless pit, so you have to devise some other solution to the dilemma presented.

      Unfortunately he could have never predicted just how big of a hack JJ Abrams is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Go away Rian

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the audience sympathizes with Kylo Ren
        Nobody sympathized with Kylo Ren. The feminist viewers that Disney pandered to hated him for being a white guy, and people with their heads screwed on right hated him for being a mass murderer whose motivation made no sense.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          imagine creating this scenario that has absolutely no basis in reality just because you're mad that Snoke wasn't Darth Icky lmao

          women love Adam Driver and he's by far agreed to be the best part of the sequels, even from people who don't like them. The only people who wouldn't have been fine with Kylo Ren being the final boss of the sequels are moronic fanboys who literally start pissing their pants when a Star Wars story doesn't have a brooding henchman to redeem and a creepy pedo in a robe to overthrow

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The only people who wouldn't have been fine with Kylo Ren being the final boss of the sequels are moronic fanboys who literally start pissing their pants when a Star Wars story doesn't have a brooding henchman to redeem and a creepy pedo in a robe to overthrow
            Kylo turning good or Rey turning evil would have both been more interesting than conflicted evil Kylo.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              the point of his arc in TLJ is that he isn't conflicted anymore. He's evil not because he feels compelled to be in order to live up to the legacy of his grandfather, but because it is now who *he* chooses to be.

              Rise of Skywalker tries to smash Kylo's square peg into the round hole of the brooding henchman to be redeemed arc even though TLJ was trying desperately to get away from that paradigm but again, JJ Abrams is a hack

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >because the audience sympathizes with Kylo Ren
        No, I'd say that the vast majority didn't.
        The "fixable bad boy" trope can only be carried so far.
        To me, he seemed like an immature, volatile, screeching turd of a guy who killed a bunch of people simply because he was trying to "live up to" Darth Vader's legacy (except for the part at the end when Darth Vader redeemed himself).
        And as a villainous character, he just wasn't that interesting.
        Good acting, but..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Exponentially less thought went into these “films” than this shitty reddit post you made.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Exponentially more thought went into this reddit post than these shitty "films" Disney made.

          ftfy, friendo. That was a close one! We did it!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, you’re reading comprehension is fricked and you’re stupid. The post said less thought went into the films than the post. Back to third grade.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Except, there’s literally no fricking stakes when you make Kylo Ren the main bad guy.
        >Gets humiliated by the protagonist, twice
        >
        >Oh NOW let’s attempt to make Kylo threatening in the final film of the trilogy where we KNOW he will lose
        And before you come at me with “oh he doesn’t need to be powerful to be taken seriously as a threat” Kylo STILL has nothing going for him anyway.
        >Isn’t some tactical genius like Thrawn or Aizen are.
        >Isn’t some skilled diplomat like Palpatine or whoever
        >most the Galaxy hates him
        >Can’t pull off the wild unpredictability someone like Tuco or Joker could
        >His army is a fricking joke
        Rey would unironically make for a better antagonist than Kylo Ren ever could.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >palpatine, the by law rightful ruler of the empire, creates snoke to lead the first order from behind the shadows for no reason
    why wouldn't he announce himself as alive right away, there were probably several planets and fleets still loyal to Palpatine who had no idea who the frick Snoke was. The sequels are so fricking moronic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They had no idea Palpatine would still be alive until they started writing TROS. That's also why you have Operation Cinder or whatever from the Disney games (Palpatine's failsafe to burn the Empire to the ground as punishment for failing to protect him), which makes zero sense if he was still alive.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm aware they made it up for TROS. My point is that it makes no sense within their own established storyline of the sequels.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I HAVE A GREAT PLAN EVERYONE

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why didn't Hitler just do this?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there was a strategic plan to holdout in the Bavarian Alps but Hitler opted to hold down in Berlin for emblematic reasons

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Dark science, cloning, secrets only the Nazis knew.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            he did
            watch history channel after midnight

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Insane Hux should have been the villain of episode 9 instead of bizarre comic relief.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How do you make him the villain when he’s one note as frick in tfa, and not in a good way like sidious was in the ot, then tlj turns him into a joke with yo mama jokes. Imagine being a billion dollar corporate exec and not being able to find a single person with even a modicum of talent to write your biggest movie triology in years.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >How do you make him the villain when he’s one note as frick in tfa,
        Insane megalomaniacal notHitler (with daddy issues)
        >then tlj turns him into a joke with yo mama jokes.
        Almost kills Kylo when he realizes daddy is dead and Kylo is about to take over

        My preferred episode 9 is unhinged Hux and the stormtroopers doing a mutiny against Kylo, who escapes, then sending the entire fleet to hunt down Kylo and the last of the resistance.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I would have just let Rian Johnson finish this shitshow. He's the most likely person to have had any idea where the frick the story was supposed to go after TLJ, even though I doubt it. Even the Trevorrow script was struggling hard to come up with anything exciting to happen

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I would have just let Rian Johnson finish this shitshow.
            He did. Did you watch the ending of TLJ? That's the real end if you accept anything past RotJ.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    remember when this shot sent the hype through the roof?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what were they exactly?
      I never watched episode 9 because I lost all hope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's pretty funny. They show up, a stormtrooper says "ghouls". The disappear for 45 minutes then show up again standing on a tall rock for no reason with early 2000s Nsync music video choreogeaphy. Then they disappear again and apparently die offscreen.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >and apparently die offscreen.
          lmao I feel like that sums up the entirety of disneywars

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >apparently die offscreen
          There's no ambiguity about it, they're just a miniboss fight for Ben Solo.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no ambiguity about it, they're just a miniboss fight for Ben Solo.
            Right, I forgot he fights them instead of the completely different Sith guards Rey is fighting 20 feet away.

        • 1 month ago
          Jet Rapeson

          >die offscreen
          I think you fell asleep
          Kyle ren kicks their ass before he saves daisy from palps

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He said "Cool". You know, like JJ was really trying to shill action figures.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They were just goons who get killed off at the end. There's literally nothing to them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Some guys who are with Kylo. They dress like cyborg Nazgul and have random weapons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >what were they exactly?
        jobbers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fricking hell I thought they had a whole story team to prevent retcons like this

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          nice writing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ARGGHH

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >darth plagueis
    you mean darth vegas?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actually, nobody cared.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cinemaphile is the only place I ever see any discussion about Star Wars. No other website that I visit talks about it. Nobody I know irl ever mentions it. Why can't you morons just let it go?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why can't you stop eating?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally just daily rage bait. It's not "discussion", but purposefully trying to make nerds seethe as often as possible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why yes, I am an NPC who lacks an understanding of conversation and venting

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >introduce mysterious bad guy
    Interesting I wonder who he is/what his motive is

    >the conflicted son betrays him, now he's the main villain
    Okay, I see what you're going for. Continue

    >actually he's a good a guy again half way into the movie and the bad guy is really just a clone of the villain who we've seen before
    Fricking stupid.

    Really, what were they thinking?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What was the point of him being a clone he was a completely different guy who was like 20 feet tall with a cracked up face.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        because morons cried he didn't get a backstory in TLJ

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The first two ST movies didn't even do the bare minimum of explaining Snoke. Sequeldrones point to Palpatine in the OT but don't get there was enough info to understand who Palpatine was in the OT. He was an emperor, he had power over Vader who showcased his power over underlings throughout the movies, so the audience gets, "if Vader is this dangerous, then the Emperor is even more dangerous"

          Now you have this Mystery Box Threat Figure out of nowhere controlling incompetent buffoon villains. Of course the audience wants an explanation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The original concept of ST didn't even have Palpatine as an all-powerful Sith lord who ruled over the galaxy. He was originally just a run-of-the-mill politician manipulated by people like Tarquin. Being a fearsome Sith was added in Empire Strikes Back due the unexpected popularity of Darth Vader.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >jj abrams didn't even know what they were talking about
    That was a really obvious lie though because all the leaks since have confirmed that he WAS supposed to be Plagueis.
    JJ literally tried to do another Khan and lie to everyone that had figured out his epic reveal/twist except this time he wasn't the one actually doing the reveal
    >inb4 butthurt roundhead fans pile in and say that that's a good thing

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he looks good and imposing in the hologram but when you see him in person he looks like a cosplay goober at a convention

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought he was a giant

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >remember when everyone and their mother were like "yeah this is totally darth plagueis, how cool"
    no

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Disney says EU is bad

    >plagirises a comic book series from the 90s

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine how much happier everyone would have been if they just adapted Dark Empire.

      I didn't think it was a particularly amazing series aside from the great cover art but holy frick it was a million times better than the sequels

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        More thought was put into a niche 90s comic book than a billion dollar movie trilogy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I remembered some fans back then hated Dark Empire

        I wonder what they thought of Rise of Skywalker

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I honestly don't know how anyone at lucasfilm can be aware of the st and think it's an acceptable point to continue a story from.
    The entire thing is a complete mess of a shit and they're too arrogant to retcon their mistake

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Women are in charge.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i rewatched the sequels last year and it is still mindboggling how hilariously stupid and wasteful it all was
    literally just doing anything mildly interesting with adam driver's character would have been enough to make the sequels worthwhile and they were on the verge of doing it in TLJ with the brief idea of him and rey joining forces as something unrelated to the previous jedi/sith dichotomy, but it was all pissed away
    genuinely dumbfounding how the people involved in this project not only managed to piss away all the potential but also constantly damage and retroactively render pointless so much of previous star wars storytelling and worldbuilding
    it is impressive in a way

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >and jj abrams didn't even know what they were talking about
    yeah why would he? The prequels arent even star wars

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I never watched star wars tv shows. Who actually ruled the galaxy after ROTJ? Is it still the empire or did the republic senate take over? Palpatine was killed but it's not like empires just stop existing after emperor's death, also he had some children. Also if it's the empire doesn't exist in TFA why there are still rebels?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's a story for another time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Who actually ruled the galaxy after ROTJ?
      Parts of the Empire who still had strong leaders and enough ships.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The New Republic claims to be in control but they aren't powerful enough to maintain order throughout the galaxy. Lots of outer rim systems are effectively self-governing and/or ruled by criminal organizations.

      The Imperial remnant is a tenuous alliance between various factions of Imperial warlords with different goals, the major leaders being Moff Gideon, Admiral Thrawn, and General Hux's father, the latter of which will eventually become the First Order.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also if it's the empire doesn't exist in TFA why there are still rebels?

      They wanted "Rebels vs Empire" again so they came up with some bullshit reason to have "The Resistance" working for the New Republic by trashing Mon Mothma and Leia's characters while publicly proclaiming how great Star Wars' female characters were

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What was the original plan with Snoke (what a dumb name) anyway?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Lirerally (genuinely) no plan. But before TROS made him a clone he was just some weird old guy obsessed with the sith that groomed Ben Solo.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He was going to be Palpatine's former boss.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well, I'm glad he go unceremoniously killed then. What a dumb storyline.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why did he die? Even before ST they already established that cutting in half doesn't work on siths because they can survive using the power of their anger or something (Maul).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maul coming back to life is hack fraudery of the highest order and if you like Spiderlegs Maul you don't have the right to cry about "somehow Palpatine returned"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they can survive using the power of their anger or something (Maul).
      jesus christ the prequels were the worst thing to happen to star wars

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he just wasn't that angry about it
      honestly the build up to his death is so over the top it almost looks like he wanted Kylo to kill him

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Maul was a special case. It just worked.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >whoa CGI marvel villain in star wars!!!! :O
    glad rian threw this fricking dogshit in the trash where it belongs

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Dark Empire premise completely wasted on RoS
    >Thrawn being butchered for years
    Abeloth or Vong, which will Disney try to rip-off next?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >which will Disney try to rip-off next?
      Star Trek will meet Star Wars for real. Both Disney and Paramount are aching for cash infusions and everyone-including you and I-will watch it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it ends with a star lord cameo in the post-credits scene

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I had to look that up. Healthy heheh.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They announced a movie called Dawn of the Jedi but luckily it'll probably get canceled.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought he was Palpatine's brother.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      actually he was
      Palpatine's sister

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >This kills the EU.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And it comes in fruit punch, orange, and grape!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why didn't they use these quantum armors in stormtroopers armors

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Kaiser Wilhelm II had no access to them?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      For me it was the Eclipse
      >way bigger than a SSD
      >had a death star-lite laser that can glass planets
      >has hangars for regular star destroyers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Same. Need to build a model someday.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The EU really does have a lot of bad ideas. Disney was right to call it complete fanfiction.
      Too bad Disney went on to make something a bit worse.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the suncrusher is lowkey kino
      a macguffin with an actual use. in fact so useful that is too powerful to allow to exist.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What do the Knights of Ren actually accomplish in the films?

    They briefly appear in a flashback.
    They chill somewhere else during TLJ.
    They pose on a rock on Pasaana while the camera pans around them.
    They capture Chewbacca off-camera.
    They temporarily hold back Ben Solo until he gets a teleported lightsaber and quickly turns the tide.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They should have taken more inspiration from Japanese history and made it about Jedi knights fighting each other and the galaxy being reduced to a clusterfrick.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    only yuuzhan vongs can save star wars now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's no way Disney could do them justice.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They look stupid. Biological space ships are always dumb. They're stupidly overpowered comic book slop. The base idea of extragalactic invaders is acceptable, but they need a lot of work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Them being immune to the Force is worse than the sequels.

        It's not like you have a better idea. There's literally nothing else that would be able to continue star wars and seem like a real threat. Lucas made the Empire "galaxy wide" with all the force users genocided. There's not some other giant race hiding in another quadrant or a big bad guy to run into that won't seem like an ass pull. There's no Sith waiting around who shouldn't have already come out of hiding. There's also no bad guys that could show up and not be complete push overs against the Force and laser swords. And if they're just normal aliens with normal ships, then there's barely any threat, nothing scary for the characters and really no reason they can't just be bargained with and made peace.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The real threat is basically the galaxy disintegrating into petty imperial remnants with men like Tarkin making their own turfs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I know you have nostalgic attachment to old Star Wars books and comics, but the Vong just won't work without being changed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Them being immune to the Force is worse than the sequels.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That was cool, though. Alien life that doesn't operate on the understood laws of the galaxy which the series takes place in.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      frick no. the only interesting thing about the vong was the reaction against them. the formerly separate characters and worlds getting swept up into one giant series. the vong unified the eu.

      there's very little interesting characters or worlds in disney canon so the experience can't be replicated

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Only morons who didn't know what a Munn looks like

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Plagueis isn't actually "canon" so Disney could've remade him into whatever they wanted.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I remember having a few drinks and taking a fistful of xanax shortly after this movie came out and going on a ten minute rant to my dad about how I was 99% sure that Snoke was actually a vengeful Mace Windu coming back to condemn the remaining Jedi for what was done to him. To this day I don’t remember much of anything I said to him

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I still think the most out of place thing to happen in these films was when Rey and Kylo kissed.

    I''m pretty sure no one had any idea what the character motivations were for any of the characters. It was all completely random.

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