Remember when everyone thought Snopes was a giant? Remember all the cool fan theories about Snope being Plageuis or Tenebrious or an ancient Sith? Remember when the knights of Ren were going to be cool? Outside of Starkiller base being retarded, Force Awakens had a decent setup for the sequels. Why did Rian piss it all away?
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Yes. I’m amazed how badly Disney fucked over Star Wars
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Because Rian Johnson is a pseudo intellectual who - by virtue of knowing the myth of King Arthur - thinks he's above childish nonesense like fan theories or headcanons. The irony is that his film ultimately misunderstood the nature of balance in the force as it was established in the original 6 films, so the result is itself a fan theory that misunderstands the central text, probably more so than all those Snoke theories considering how Episode 7 was originally titled 'An Ancient Evil'
You ARE childish if you engage in headcanon autism though, sorry you needed to hear it at some point.
Ironic, coming from someone childish like yourself
>Be mad at Abrams AND Johnson for not bringing anything new to the table.
This.
>no u
Woah, you sure showed me.
Cope and seethe
...you are literally the one complaining about a movie that was almost 80 percent pitched by Lucas. You autists always sound so stupid about star wars.
>dude this is exactly as it was pitched by Lucas
>even though they rejected most of Lucas' ideas and input
lol
Yes? They rejected most of his shit, Rian did his own thing and based the entire script off of a meeting he had with George who had these specific plot notes. This is all well documented, zoom zoom.
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It's literally in the dvd features and what Lucas said in his own interviews, zoomer
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Rian Johnson didn't actually understand why so many people were making Snoke theories though. Sure, a lot of people were using it to shill for having their favorite villain make a return, but it kicked off in the first place because Force Awakens forgot to explain who the fuck Snoke actually is. People gave Abrams/Disney the benefit of the doubt by assuming this was done to set up intrigue (and not just rank incompetence).
I love how mad Rian made all of you fucking retards to the point you think nobody "understands" star wars when the early drafts for TLJ were ripped straight from Lucas' desk.
If by early drafts you mean basic bullet points, then sure
Lol no, the entire character arc of Luke being an angry hermit disconnected from the force was literally made by Lucas. You tards cry about that all day and it wasn't even Disney.
the angry hermit as a concept is fine, execution is key and TLJ fucked it up
TLJ is executed fine, it's the best of the nutrilogy films and I'm tired of pretending it isn't because contrarian memes make you feel safe and warm inside. It's executed fine, I've never seen any decent criticism of that plot point that didn't devolve into "Luke wasn't my Chad daddy insert who fucks my ass like I want"
It's indeed the best of the sequels, but that doesn't excuse how lacklustre the writing was. Luke makes valid criticisms against the Jedi order, Rey says he's wrong because something something hope and then Luke eventually pivots. It's shallow, and I'm done spending any more brainpower on this film or this franchise.
He doesn't "pivot", did you watch the movie?
It's Yoda's force ghost that changes his mind you misremembering tard.
...and then he eventually pivots. Yes Anon, I remember Yoda too, well done
How is a character who is ultimately a good person, who is re-convinced to do the right thing, a "pivot"? That's called an arc retard.
do you not know what pivot means?
I think you might be ESL and not understand that normal people call this a "character development" in what non autistic people call an "arc". Characters can make mistakes you fucking homosexual, that's not a pivot.
that's a no then
You stop being a semantic retard after you reach puberty, champ.
Is that why you through a fit over how I used pivot instead of specifically referencing the writing term "character arc"?
>You making fun of me is "throwing a fit"
I'm glad you've made some fun out of randomly interjecting with what a character arc "ackshally" is . It definitely wasn't awkward or common knowledge
I accept your concession, Abu
your welcome
The only reason you think it's the best is because of some nice visuals and "lol SUBVERSION" it's shit. And im not even mad that Luke isn't a chad that's a straw man people like to use. Im mad he feels useless in a movie that has him as a major plot point to the point they have to bring in Yoda himself to tell him what to do next.
>the only reason you think your own opinions is (something something preloaded cope I just decided you think)
no? I like it because outside of Empire, it's the only other SW film that bothers to have anything meaningful to fucking say. I like how you apparently got filtered by the Yoda scene, as if anyone with room temp IQ didn't get the callback to Kenobi and Luke.
TPM honestly has much much much more interesting things to say than TLJ
Lol no it doesn't , let this reddit shit die already about the prequels.
He literally isn't a major plot point in TLJ.
>it's the best of the nutrilogy films
I agree with this, but it's still a fucking mess of a movie. I think ROTS is probably the best of the prequels too, but it's also a mess of a movie.
In a story that involved a revelation that the microscopic Whills use the Midichlorians to manipulate the fate of the galaxy and perpetuate the cycle and Luke's nephew going evil over some Sith Twi'lek pussy.
The circumstances make a huge difference for the plot point of Punished Luke.
Lucas probably realized the same thing Arndt and everyone else did: that it's hard to have Luke in the story without him running away with the audience's attention because of how much expectation is placed on him. Obi-Wan in the original movie didn't have this problem. Plenty of EU stories post-ROTJ don't feature Luke much, but they never had that burden either, and often dealt with Luke with some awkwardness.
I think TFA making Han the mentor character was actually sort of clever anyway.
>it's hard to have Luke in the story without him running away with the audience's attention
These retards had the original cast at their full disposal and all the time in the world to pass the torch on
Why did they decide they needed to shoot their load in 3 movies, they could have made 5, 6 or 7 of these where they actually have time to flesh out characters and explore the universe
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid tranny? I'm talking about why "Snoke theories" took off. Read the post again.
>muh tranny tranny tranny
relax newfriend. I was overall just mocking you.
Lucas doesn't understand Star Wars. The original trilogy was salvaged by other people and would have been absolute shit if it was up to Lucas' whims.
Did you know the word gullible isn't in the dictionary?
There were literally no "early drafts" for TLJ, Rian bragged that it was a first draft script.
Canon is just however the IP holders want their media to be interpreted, respecting it is beneath me
Damn, you mean I get to enjoy GOOD Star Wars (my headcanon) and I don't have to grow up to do it?
Excellent.
>Snoke is Plagueis, finally gathering physical strength from his near murder by his apprentice Palpatine
>He is a true Sith, hailing from the unknown regions of the Galaxy where they retreated thousands of years ago
>As he's recovered over the last sixty years, he's built a military power that dwarfs the now peaceful New Republic
>The First Order and Starkiller Base is only the first foray of that military into the Galaxy
>Only the tip of the iceberg that's on its way
>Luke Skywalker learned of this evil new Empire after a Snoke and a Sith strike group (The Knights of Ren) turned his nephew and murdered his students
>He's been studying for decades to find a way to counter this power with no Jedi and a New Republic that lacks organization and unanimity
>Rey is the only "Jedi" who was rescued from the massacre...a Force sensitive orphan toddler with the rudimentary Force abilities we witnessed in TFA
>After learning her identity, she petulantly hates Luke and resents being "stranded" on Jakku for her safety
>Kylo senses this resentment, and baits her towards the Dark Side
This is pretty much the plot for Episode XIII that a lot of the fans had in their minds. If you're going to do a fake orgasm on a sprawling, epic sweep like this, you'd better have a great fucking replacement. But Hack Rian didn't, and the collapse of the franchise is the result. Even Filoni's endless fan-baiting isn't cutting it anymore.
Episode thirteen?
would have been a better movie but really SW was irreperably ruined when TFA came out, or as soon as JJ was hired to direct really
Its your own fault for expecting anything of value from Disney.
>Its your own fault for expecting anything of value from Disney.
This is revionisim.
Disney at the time had way more goodwill at the time.You weren't naive to expect more from 2015 Disney.
Because Disney was dumb enough to let the director decide instead of having a plan
Force Awakens could have been salvaged one way:
>rebels blow up node on Starkiller base
>huge explosion locally, rebels celebrate
>next scene, "Ensign, Status Update." "Cooling Array is damaged in Sector 45c, Station at 84% operability, Sir."
>"You may fire when ready."
>good guys have to escape Starkiller Base as dozens of Star Destroyers close in on them
>Last Jedi opens with Rebels being pursued by Empire fleet and having to warn the rebel base
No. Still shit.
I agree.
Your opinions are gay and therefore bad.
Nah. Force Awakens has a lot more problems with that. It still would have a shitty boring cast who are all bad actors, a nonsensical world that doesn't follow up on the world the sequels built.
That's basically what happens anyway.
TFA shouldn't have had the Starkiller base or Kyle Ren being Han's son or Rey in it to save everyone and it should've been Luke who died and not Han who should've never left Leia.
Is the story in FA considered canon?
who even cares at this point man
You're such a cool basement dweller.
>Last Jedi opens with Rebels being pursued by Empire fleet and having to warn the rebel base
isn't that the FTL plot
in FTL they're cheeky and make the rebels the villains in pursuit
Snoke was a nothing character. Be mad at Abrams AND Johnson for not bringing anything new to the table.
I always thought Snake-Smoke was a really, really tiny guy using a giant hologram as a cope. It wouldl have been funny I think. Or he was never real in the first place? His hologram gave me Wizard of Oz vibes
remember when snopes used to be apolitical?
Rian Johnson had his chance to kill Star Wars and he took it. He's just playing the long con. I'd do everything he's doing in his shoes.
Starkiller base.
>Doesn't kill stars.
Yes it does dumbass
Beacuse the force is female you CHUDS
By the time episode 9 came out, I was completely uninterested in star wars save maybe Mando first few episodes, but even that got really bad really quickly. The Force Awakened was the only thing Disney put out that made me excited for things, simply because they could have gone in interesting ways and I accepted it as being a soft reboot. But then it just went to shit with everything else to follow.
Why did the cg on smoke look so awful? Like Disney couldn’t even afford a few extra thousand dollars to pay a couple of good makeup artists to do it?
because SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS, YOU DUMB BITCH
>we need a big bad for new star war
>also what if his face was fucked up
That is the extend of the thought that went into Snoke because JJ is a hack.
Which is why killing him off to service the development of Kylo Ren was the right move. Kylo has substance, Snoke doesn't, and trying to assign substance to a character who never had any in the first place would have sucked.
You say that but we all know Sheev and Vader were the most enjoyable parts of the old trilogy.
That relies on Snoke being a meta-character with no significance to the plot other than to prop up another character, which is fucking stupid for who was supposed to be the final boss of the trilogy when he was introduced.
Rian pls leave
TFA ruined the setting in the fucking opening crawl, where it establishes that the Jedi Order is still gone, Luke is the last one, and he's vanished.
>shitty movie is shit made by mystery man that's a story for another time..
Noooooo! It's the sequel >:(
Most people are trying to forget the work of Jar Jar Abrams for the sake of good taste and sanity
Disney keeps trying to force feed sequel stuff in their shitty fanservice shows.
He is a giant wtf are you on about
>soft reboot
He was a boring retread of Palpatine and Johnson was right to kill him off. Bringing back Palpatine was also smart because if you're just gonna copy him anyway, might as well just bring back the definitive article.
How about building him into something different than Palpatine 2? Oh yeah, israeli hacks can't make anything original.
>decent setup
remember when everyone thought hat this image meant that Rian Johnson had come up with better kino than anyone could imagine and couldn't wait to see his movie?
I knew the movie was going to be shit the moment I saw this. What kind of manchild gets so petty and pretentious over some Twitter posts.
Why was Johnson such a dick about people getting hyped and talking about theories for his movie?
>Remember when everyone thought Snopes was a giant
Yes, and I'm still disappointed
yall admit kylo is cool now
>yall admit kylo is cool now
The EU is filled with far edgier things.
Rian should a have gone further. Instead of Snoke being a nothing character who gets retconned into being some weird Sheev clone or whatever he should have been a complete fraud. His powers were fake all along. Once Kylo executes him (because he realizes Snoke can't actually see his intentions at all) and all the curtains are burned away in the throne room it should have revealed that he used hidden gravity manipulating machines to throw Rey around. Make him a true Wizard of Oz character who turned Kylo to the dark side through pure manipulation. It would open up interesting paths for Kylo in the sequel as well now that he's learned his master is a fraud.
That's literally what they were alluding to before Disney threw a spaz fit
There's no reason to acknowledge or have this much debate over bad fanfiction. There are only six Star Wars movies and a soft-canon of Expanded Universe books that haven't had any new entries published in almost a decade.
>Force Awakens had a decent setup for the sequels.
lol
Snoke was just nightclub singer doing the Emperor's greatest hits. There was nothing particularly compelling about him. There wasn't anything to him. TLJ could have done more with him, but the fact TFA didn't do anything with him either makes it hard to call Snoke wasted. TLJ did change his appearance and personality to make him easier to dispose of, though.
I like snope Palpatine the son of shev Palpatine
Rian was right, all the Smoke theories were super gay. Dumb character only smart thing he did was just kill him
I don't really care about Star Wars so I wouldn't have minded what Rian did if what he did wasn't the most obvious and unsubtle attempts at 'subverting' the audience. It felt like you asked a 13 year old pseud to write it.
No, it was shit and full of plotholes from the start, you have to be a literal mongrel with 70 IQ to enjoy this.
Nobody gave a fuck about mousEU even back then
Oh yeah! I 'member!
Disney Star Wars is for brain-dead, retarded homosexuals with less than shit taste...just my opinion
>remember when the knights of ren were going to be cool
lol lmao anyone who had a hope of shred for star wars after the force awakens deserves the shitshow that happened to them
my love and hope of star wars died when decrepit harrison ford saunters on and says "its true all of it"
that moment was when i knew the franchise was irrevocably fucked
>Kill Luke and Han because you want Leia to be the star.
>Carrie Fisher dies so you have to kill her off screen bursting a brain vessel doing a skype call.
>Outside of Starkiller base being retarded, Force Awakens had a decent setup for the sequels
No it didn't. It was essentially a reset back to the Empire being in control, the good guys being the underdogs, the Jedi being driven underground. It was awful.
He's cribbed from Blackhole/Cronal in appearance and abilities. A responsible story group would have apprised him "Hey, this shit isn't new or innovative." But the inmates run the creative asylum at Disney-LucasFilm and black box setups that lead nowhere with no plan are acceptable somehow.
Reminder that in TLJ they gave him a golden robe because af the time the movie was being made people were making fun of Trump for having a garish attic in his NYC tower where random shit like the bath was golden.
Killing him off ruined everything
Just him being an extremely powerful dark side user was interesting, the history of the force and sith and shit could've had some more light shed on it
After that there was no intrigue other than Luke, but they shitted on that too
Wait a second, Palpatine wanted to transfer his essence to a female body?
Yes, that's why in the end he acked himself with his own force lightning.
>SHEev Palpatine
Wait a minute, the new generation of Jedi trained by Luke according to Canon is basically satanism, as in Ecumenism.
fuck you for reminding me of the betrayal, stupid disney
Snoke was stupid from the getgo. The sequels were stupid from the get go. Abrams and Rian are hacks.
>Remember all the cool fan theories about Snope being Plageuis or Tenebrious or an ancient Sith?
A bunch of dumb theories made by people addicted to Wookipedia. There was nothing interesting about Snoke.
>Remember when everyone thought Snopes was a giant?
No
>Remember all the cool fan theories
No
>Remember when the knights of Ren were going to be cool?
No
>Force Awakens had a decent setup for the sequels
No