Oh...please tell me you didn't just compare Picasso to Liefeld. Particularly "Guernica", a politically-charged and deeply personal work of art that was meant as a plea by the artist against the barbarity and terror of war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I fail to see the difference. Is Liefeld's work not "deeply personal?" Does Cable and his struggles in the future somehow not reflect the barbarity and terror of war? And "politically-charged" has nothing to do with the quality of art.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reminder that Liefeld worked his ass off as a 19 year old to provide for his family with an ailing father. His dad had brain cancer and lost his eye. Cable is a personal design for Liefeld.
BWS is an amazing talent but acts like a pretentious little b***h and his conan looks homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I fail to see the difference
I can't say that I'm surprised.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>don't you see, the horse is screaming! >how could liefeld ever come up with something like that?
Just kidding, I love Picasso and Guernica. I'm messing around comparing him to Picasso, but I'm half serious. Perspective being wrong isn't a slam dunk argument against Liefeld. Art is about the feelings it conveys as much as anything, and Liefeld's art feels powerful and distinctive to me.
Reminder that Liefeld worked his ass off as a 19 year old to provide for his family with an ailing father. His dad had brain cancer and lost his eye. Cable is a personal design for Liefeld.
BWS is an amazing talent but acts like a pretentious little b***h and his conan looks homosexual.
Yeah, he deserves more respect in general.
2 years ago
Anonymous
*And of course I'm aware that in Picasso's case the weird perspective is much more of a conscious decision.
2 years ago
Anonymous
when did Rob start the weird pointy faces?
this
Right? I mean look at this! It just looks cool. Sorry, it just does
and this
this
look great compared to
Rob thread?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rob doesn't have "periods" in his style. His style is drawing awful anatomy sans detailed backgrounds and struggling with perspectives no matter the year.
Liefeld understood his audience, found what they liked, and provided that. Clearly he's smarter than people thing because he was rich by age 25, where as haters in the industry are malding over him 30 years later.
Fido Dido is a shitty little doodle but it made his creators a shit ton of money. Learn what works and market that.
>hurrrr hurrrrr muh bad drawinks of no feets!!!!
God. Every one of you chuckleheads thinking that insulting the man's art is a valid counter argument only solidifies his point.
The point is, when Rob worked for Marvel, if his paying boss told him to draw feet on every single character, he would, he would not "clap back" like a child about it. This thread alone has plenty of examples of Rob's feet art.
Rob is 100% correct. The next ten years will very likely see the end of the industry, for MULTIPLE reasons, but the attitudes of the younger generation are going to be the chief reason why.
Oh wow bro you got me there! Industry is just as strong now as it was 30 years ago, right? Totally not a shell of its former self with most books failing to break 100k sold. More comic stores opening than closing, right? And those opening stores focus solely on comics and not trading cards, video games, Funko pops, etc.
We're not going to get lucky enough for the industry to die, "comic book pros" will fight over the breadcrumbs of popular culture until the heat death of the universe
>Liefeld: Want to be the inker in my new project? >Young artist: Sure >Liefeld: *draws like shit like Liefeld does* >Young Artist: Mr Liefeld could you please do background and not leave all the hard work to me >Liefeld:
Fragile ass motherfricker
One of the first jobs for any assistant artist, east or west, is drawing backgrounds. Frank Frazetta didn't complain about it, what's some zoomer to complain?
On Cartoonist Kayfabe, Ed was talking about a conversation he had with a manga artist who started as an assistant, and his test to get the job was copying an Akira background.
That's not the issue, the issue is that Liefeld for years has left the hard work to the inker and the colorist while he does the bare minimum, he's not a team player and anything good or redeemable about him was done by the other people in the production line.
He's only butthurt because somebody asked him to do his part properly.
Jim Lee does his own backgrounds and he's a real big name artist, pic related
Liefeld is only known because he's a bad artist and nothing else, asking to be treated like if he was king shit only makes him king shit of turd island
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not to mention Jim Lee has more important things on his plate than to be drawing non-stop.
2 years ago
Anonymous
those are barely backgrounds, and Jim Lee takes ages to do anything anymore even when he didn't have a ceremonial position.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>those are barely backgrounds
He's no Jim Stokoe but come on, it's miles better than the crosshatch garbage Liefeld does.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're glorified crosshatching, its basically indication for Scott Williams and Sinclair to polish it off for him.
>Rob Liefeld has nothing to offer. It's as plain as bacon on your plate. He has nothing to offer. He cannot draw. He can't write. He is a young boy almost, I would expect, whose culture is bubble gum wrappers, Saturday morning cartoons, Marvel Comics; that's his culture... I see nothing in his work that allows me to even guess that there's any depth involved in that person that might come to the fore given time.
Barry Windsor-Smith, 1996
>soul
It's the exact opposite of soul, it's the same over-designed crap you see in many Japanese video game designs. As explained here by Stan Lee why it doesn't work well
when did Rob start the weird pointy faces?
this [...] and this [...] look great compared to [...]
The thing we don't talk about in these threads is that Liefeld did a frickton of tracing other artists shit when he pencilled for DC and Marvel.
These are absolutely Kevin McGuire faces.
this
Whereas shit like
*high five*
was drawn after Image and Wizard Magazine inflated his brand to the point his art was being compared to Jack Kirby.
He's right, because it takes one to know another.
OP is a seething homosexual
Hi Rob
You don't have to be Rob Liefeld to know that OP is a homosexual.
Reminder that Rob had no problem working with troony chaser and furry gen x/millennial creators. Twitter just made young millenials/zoomers lazy.
He's been consistently shit at drawing for 30 years straight, but when it comes to the industry Liefeld is usually 100% right
>He's been consistently shit at drawing for 30 years straight
LIES
He's consistently inconsistently bad at proportions.
How dare you?!
I think Rob Liefeld's art looks badass and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't.
Right? I mean look at this! It just looks cool. Sorry, it just does
Yes
*high five*
Oh...please tell me you didn't just compare Picasso to Liefeld. Particularly "Guernica", a politically-charged and deeply personal work of art that was meant as a plea by the artist against the barbarity and terror of war.
I fail to see the difference. Is Liefeld's work not "deeply personal?" Does Cable and his struggles in the future somehow not reflect the barbarity and terror of war? And "politically-charged" has nothing to do with the quality of art.
Reminder that Liefeld worked his ass off as a 19 year old to provide for his family with an ailing father. His dad had brain cancer and lost his eye. Cable is a personal design for Liefeld.
BWS is an amazing talent but acts like a pretentious little b***h and his conan looks homosexual.
>I fail to see the difference
I can't say that I'm surprised.
>don't you see, the horse is screaming!
>how could liefeld ever come up with something like that?
Just kidding, I love Picasso and Guernica. I'm messing around comparing him to Picasso, but I'm half serious. Perspective being wrong isn't a slam dunk argument against Liefeld. Art is about the feelings it conveys as much as anything, and Liefeld's art feels powerful and distinctive to me.
Yeah, he deserves more respect in general.
*And of course I'm aware that in Picasso's case the weird perspective is much more of a conscious decision.
when did Rob start the weird pointy faces?
this
and this
look great compared to
Rob doesn't have "periods" in his style. His style is drawing awful anatomy sans detailed backgrounds and struggling with perspectives no matter the year.
They just don't like getting directions from someone who's not a very good artist despite being in the industry for decades.
Which is moronic, working for a company means taking directions from people who are bad artists or non artists.
I don't know. Artist like Rob had their peak during the worst era of comics in the 90s and they nearly bankrupt these companies.
Please. These companies bankrupt themselves with incompetency; some young artist isn't responsible for that.
Liefeld understood his audience, found what they liked, and provided that. Clearly he's smarter than people thing because he was rich by age 25, where as haters in the industry are malding over him 30 years later.
Fido Dido is a shitty little doodle but it made his creators a shit ton of money. Learn what works and market that.
And that is from the guy who can't draw feet or human anatomy even if his life depends on it... things are really bad them
>hurrrr hurrrrr muh bad drawinks of no feets!!!!
God. Every one of you chuckleheads thinking that insulting the man's art is a valid counter argument only solidifies his point.
The point is, when Rob worked for Marvel, if his paying boss told him to draw feet on every single character, he would, he would not "clap back" like a child about it. This thread alone has plenty of examples of Rob's feet art.
Rob is 100% correct. The next ten years will very likely see the end of the industry, for MULTIPLE reasons, but the attitudes of the younger generation are going to be the chief reason why.
>The next ten years will very likely see the end of the industry, for MULTIPLE reason
people have been saying that for the last 30 years
Oh wow bro you got me there! Industry is just as strong now as it was 30 years ago, right? Totally not a shell of its former self with most books failing to break 100k sold. More comic stores opening than closing, right? And those opening stores focus solely on comics and not trading cards, video games, Funko pops, etc.
We're not going to get lucky enough for the industry to die, "comic book pros" will fight over the breadcrumbs of popular culture until the heat death of the universe
Louise Simonson is laughing and doesn't know why.
>Liefeld: Want to be the inker in my new project?
>Young artist: Sure
>Liefeld: *draws like shit like Liefeld does*
>Young Artist: Mr Liefeld could you please do background and not leave all the hard work to me
>Liefeld:
Fragile ass motherfricker
One of the first jobs for any assistant artist, east or west, is drawing backgrounds. Frank Frazetta didn't complain about it, what's some zoomer to complain?
On Cartoonist Kayfabe, Ed was talking about a conversation he had with a manga artist who started as an assistant, and his test to get the job was copying an Akira background.
That's not the issue, the issue is that Liefeld for years has left the hard work to the inker and the colorist while he does the bare minimum, he's not a team player and anything good or redeemable about him was done by the other people in the production line.
He's only butthurt because somebody asked him to do his part properly.
Again, that's entirely standard procedure by big artists.
Jim Lee does his own backgrounds and he's a real big name artist, pic related
Liefeld is only known because he's a bad artist and nothing else, asking to be treated like if he was king shit only makes him king shit of turd island
Not to mention Jim Lee has more important things on his plate than to be drawing non-stop.
those are barely backgrounds, and Jim Lee takes ages to do anything anymore even when he didn't have a ceremonial position.
>those are barely backgrounds
He's no Jim Stokoe but come on, it's miles better than the crosshatch garbage Liefeld does.
They're glorified crosshatching, its basically indication for Scott Williams and Sinclair to polish it off for him.
He blocks people over very mild disagreements about comics. It could be that he's just overly sensitive.
Rob thread?
>Rob Liefeld has nothing to offer. It's as plain as bacon on your plate. He has nothing to offer. He cannot draw. He can't write. He is a young boy almost, I would expect, whose culture is bubble gum wrappers, Saturday morning cartoons, Marvel Comics; that's his culture... I see nothing in his work that allows me to even guess that there's any depth involved in that person that might come to the fore given time.
Barry Windsor-Smith, 1996
Based
>that last remark
holy kek, Stan was hilarious
Rob is a cool guy and his style has soul... frick the haters and feet-gays.
>soul
It's the exact opposite of soul, it's the same over-designed crap you see in many Japanese video game designs. As explained here by Stan Lee why it doesn't work well
That's one reason Japanese video games are better. They're more willing to go over-the-top as long as it's fun.
>it looks shiny so it's soul
>it's the same over-designed crap you see in many Japanese video game designs.
In other words, it's soul.
Cable is peak Liefeld design and you cannot say that his design doesn't have that soul.
this
this and this
don't even look like they're by the same artist.
The thing we don't talk about in these threads is that Liefeld did a frickton of tracing other artists shit when he pencilled for DC and Marvel.
These are absolutely Kevin McGuire faces.
Whereas shit like
was drawn after Image and Wizard Magazine inflated his brand to the point his art was being compared to Jack Kirby.
But he's unironically right though
every single artist working for DC and Marvel right now are lazy, talentless buttholes, Rob was richer by age 25 than any of them will ever be
where do you get your comics fix then
>draws deadpool
>he gets popular when actually written/drawn by someone who isnt a hack
>acts like it was all his work
Everything that he said is true tho?
He being a bad artist doesn't make it false, and he even jokes about his own style.
The fact that people have to resort to that rather than pointing out where he is wrong just shows that they have no argument.
Yeah, opinions on his art are unrelated to his message here
Exactly.
Rob could be 10 times worse at drawing than he is today...
It wouldn't change anything about what he said about millennials and gen z comic workers.
My very first Rob exposure as a little kid
This felt so damn violent and explosive in my head
t. Gen Z