His defeat was inevitable because his Kingdom of the North and the Riverlands wasn't defensible and he didn't ally Renly/Stannis. If he had kept Theon as a hostage, traded Jaime for Sansa and abandoned the Riverlands to hold the North, he could have won.
Cat is a sigma chad in the books, she's only a c**t towards Jon Snow (and she was right, it's foreshadowed to hell that Jon will become Lord of Winterfell)
>Producers wanted to make Jeyne a more prominent character, and really develop the relationship between Robb and his future wife. In order to make her more likeable and interesting to modern audiences and avoid making her a Sansa-like character they made her a healer/doctor/nurse who defies convention and gender stereotypes and calls out Robb on his actions. At some point they made her a foreigner. >Because of the change in "Jeyne's" backstory , George R. R. Martin suggested the change in names, stating that "Jeyne" is not a Volantene name, and that "[..] if we're gonna have a different character, we should have a different name for her as well. Otherwise, people are gonna get really confused here."
What could have been unfair about it? He acted irrationally in the name of honor and justice, blinded by family names and his own glory. He ended up killing more people than Joffrey acting like a madman and going to war over nothing but vengence. He had no idea how the North would handle itself or how to run it, let alone protect it. He thought nothing of the potential consequences and never stopped to ponder negotiations over warfare. He was as bloodthirsty as any of his enemies and wore his blinders to all the aforementioned like a crown.
He cared nothing for his realm or its people. Only whatever immediate pleasure he could derive in the moment, literally and figuratively, nevermind what happens in the morning.
A perfect image of his volunteer moron father.
He was militarily competent but was ultimately just an immature coombrain with not political tact or foresight. If he was shown the hot daughter from the get go he would have dumped the swarthoid nurse in a heartbeat.
yes, when you're a ruler or in the ruling class there are duties not only priviledges. one of your duty is not fricking everything up because of muh love. he was a disgrace
no it wasnt you thick fricking homosexual, it was because he knocked her up and he didnt want to raise a bastard son. he didnt love her, he just fricked her cuz he was coombrained with grief. he was also grievously wounded and heavily drugged
He didn’t "love" some random b***h he slept for one night with see
because he knocked her up and didnt want to have a bastard son, because of his relationship with jon snow and seeing how he was treated as a bastard, so he married her for muh honor, not out of love.
>Theon killed his brothers.
A frick up D&D made that never gets enough attention is Catelyn releasing Jamie when she merely believed the boys were Theon's captives, not slaughtered and burnt to a crisp. In ACoK she releases him when drunk with grief and during a celebration at Riverrun where the security is lax, not in the middle of a fricking military camp during an active campaign when she had no reason at all to believe her youngest boys would be 'murdered'. The writers fricked up adapting the books in a micro sense in seasons 1-4 and then they only got shit for it when they fricked it up on a macro level via the plot after s4
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wanna hear something more frustrating?
The reaction of Robb or Cat is to Sansa's marriage to Tyrion is never shown in the show
2 years ago
Anonymous
They cucked out on making Tyrion as flawed (and interesting) as his book counterpart, so they were stuck in a bind (of their own fricking making) of making the audience get pissy over Robb/Cat for shitting so unfairly on Tyrion.
Also funny how Robb's ebin masterstroke (attack Casterly Rock) was basically shit already addressed in ACoK - no point going for the Rock specifically cause it was too strong but his presence alone in the Westerlands was enough to force Tywin to move
because he knocked her up and didnt want to have a bastard son, because of his relationship with jon snow and seeing how he was treated as a bastard, so he married her for muh honor, not out of love.
Hey now that I think about it, Eddard could have more than likely prevented his wife from being spiteful and angry, his nephew from joining the Night's Watch to more than likely die a cold death, AND his heir from getting gutted. He could have even potentially used the information to help Robert overcome his loss and become a proper ruler. All if he had just told his family the truth about Jon's heritage.
Hard to blame Robb exclusively. Though he is responsible, he's still young (even in the show, let alone the books) and was raised by an absolute dumbass.
If Jon is a Targaryen scion, she'd sperg out even harder over his presence inviting conflict and endangering their children. Imagine if Robert found out, or Jon himself realised his lineage and felt destiny-bound to reclaim the throne, or any number of things. Cat was a neurotic sperg when it came to her children's safety
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well you don't go around advertising it, sending ravens to every realm. It's a family secret.
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Anonymous
Anon, Cat's a woman, i.e. an emotional sperg. She conceived of Jon, as the bastard lowborn halfbrother, as a threat to her children. Jon being a Targaryen would send her into a frenzy simply over the possibilities if the truth ever got out in some way unforeseen to anyone
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Why would anybody (other than potentially Robert) freak out about a halfblood Targaryen? Even then, Robert would only freak because of his irrational hatred for the name. Something that could be potentially fixed if Ned would just look him in the eye and tell him a harder truth other than that he's a fat frick.
Instead, do nothing out of fear and watch your house burn and the realm go to shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ned pulled the L-card on Robert in book 1 to try to save Sansa's wolf, it didn't work. He made the right call.
I really hope we get anything other than R+L=J though
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>Why would anybody (other than potentially Robert) freak out about a halfblood Targaryen?
He's Rhaegar's only living son and, therefore, the heir to the throne and Robert's hateboner is exactly one of the reasons Catelyn would flip out over Jon's presence
Mom and dad issues. Had Cat not been an absolute b***h to Jon. He would've just raised a bastard as a normal noble while keeping the marriage alliance to the Freys and endearing himself to Walder's tradition
Jon had three "half" brothers. Even as the oldest child, he was far from the Stark throne. Plenty of other houses treated their Stones, Rivers, Waters, Storms as assets and extended family.
That wasn't her biggest concern, though. She was angry because Jon was a living breathing reminder of the time Ned broke his vows. Him being the spitting image of a Stark man was just salt in the wound.
The Riverlords really fricked Robb over when they declared for him. The North alone seceding would have been the easiest thing to do ever. But the Rivercucks done ensured Robb was honour-bound to defend the most vulnerable region in the entire continent.
Was Cat's frick up common knowledge among the lords or was it perceived only as the Westerlands chimping out? At any rate, my memory is that they basically got caught up in the hype of Greatjon's speech regarding the guy who demonstrably had saved their asses
In the case of Thoros the pre-Cat Brotherhood gave him a purpose and belief in his god for the first time in his life. Beric really got a raw deal though
>Jeyne is a shy, pretty girl, though according to Jaime Lannister not a beauty to lose a kingdom for. She is slender and willowy, but has "good hips". Jeyne has curly chestnut hair, a heart-shaped face, a shy smile, and doe-like soft brown eyes.
Would you?
>If Renly could just keep his peaches in his pants he would have gotten the throne on Stannis's death anyway
Kek, I still remember when the showmakers said they never did the peach moment because there were no peaches to be found... in Northern Ireland.
Damn so the constant mention of prostitutehouses and unacknowledged bastards is because of all the love that is automatically associated with sex in GoT?
Shut the frick up you sound idiotic.
Him and his mother were both fricking moronic. He married a commoner and she let both Tyrion and Jaime Lannister go free.
his mother is a way bigger c**t in the books
His defeat was inevitable because his Kingdom of the North and the Riverlands wasn't defensible and he didn't ally Renly/Stannis. If he had kept Theon as a hostage, traded Jaime for Sansa and abandoned the Riverlands to hold the North, he could have won.
Cat is a sigma chad in the books, she's only a c**t towards Jon Snow (and she was right, it's foreshadowed to hell that Jon will become Lord of Winterfell)
>Cat is a sigma chad in the books
She's also a hot milf. Like Rebecca Ferguson-tier or something like that.
Everyone was also a lot younger in the books.
I hope GRRM is gonna have the balls to write a full on CIA-Sansa molestation scene before he gets crashed with no survivors
grrm has reported that there is gonna he a controversial Sansa chapter in WINDS which many fans believe that it involves Littefinger raping Sansa
her oldest kid was 16 when she died. Certified milf.
>He married a commoner
moronic show retcon. He marries a daughter of some minor Lannister vassal
>He married a commoner
Talisa was a Volantenese noble (of House Maegyr) while Jeyne was a minor noble from the Westerlands (of House Westerling)
The show just wanted him to marry a Black person
>Producers wanted to make Jeyne a more prominent character, and really develop the relationship between Robb and his future wife. In order to make her more likeable and interesting to modern audiences and avoid making her a Sansa-like character they made her a healer/doctor/nurse who defies convention and gender stereotypes and calls out Robb on his actions. At some point they made her a foreigner.
>Because of the change in "Jeyne's" backstory , George R. R. Martin suggested the change in names, stating that "Jeyne" is not a Volantene name, and that "[..] if we're gonna have a different character, we should have a different name for her as well. Otherwise, people are gonna get really confused here."
God I hate israelites
What could have been unfair about it? He acted irrationally in the name of honor and justice, blinded by family names and his own glory. He ended up killing more people than Joffrey acting like a madman and going to war over nothing but vengence. He had no idea how the North would handle itself or how to run it, let alone protect it. He thought nothing of the potential consequences and never stopped to ponder negotiations over warfare. He was as bloodthirsty as any of his enemies and wore his blinders to all the aforementioned like a crown.
He cared nothing for his realm or its people. Only whatever immediate pleasure he could derive in the moment, literally and figuratively, nevermind what happens in the morning.
A perfect image of his volunteer moron father.
Robb was more interested in playing hero than winning a war.
Why was so much of the casting fricked for GOT? The ugly characters were played by good looking actors and vice versa
I'd let Alfie Allen have sex with me
Incompetent. Look, Walder Frey was a douche, but Robb 100% deserved it.
The show Robb? A moron. didn't feel bad when him or his c**t mother died
He was militarily competent but was ultimately just an immature coombrain with not political tact or foresight. If he was shown the hot daughter from the get go he would have dumped the swarthoid nurse in a heartbeat.
Robb was a military genius but a terrible politician. Having Boltons as his bannermen was extremely dangerous too.
A lot of Robb’s success was because he took the advice of Blackfish, the real brains behind the northern rebellion.
The Direwolves were so useless and such a let down. The only one who really did anything was Nymeria
They're cute and that's all that matters
you just know
yes, when you're a ruler or in the ruling class there are duties not only priviledges. one of your duty is not fricking everything up because of muh love. he was a disgrace
>muh love
Show only spotted
Robb foolishly married Jeyne Westerling in the books too.
Yes but it wasn't for love
It literally was because he loved her and Jeyne comforted him after he thought Theon killed his brothers. Read the damn books.
no it wasnt you thick fricking homosexual, it was because he knocked her up and he didnt want to raise a bastard son. he didnt love her, he just fricked her cuz he was coombrained with grief. he was also grievously wounded and heavily drugged
He didn’t "love" some random b***h he slept for one night with see
Absolute npc take.
>Theon killed his brothers.
A frick up D&D made that never gets enough attention is Catelyn releasing Jamie when she merely believed the boys were Theon's captives, not slaughtered and burnt to a crisp. In ACoK she releases him when drunk with grief and during a celebration at Riverrun where the security is lax, not in the middle of a fricking military camp during an active campaign when she had no reason at all to believe her youngest boys would be 'murdered'. The writers fricked up adapting the books in a micro sense in seasons 1-4 and then they only got shit for it when they fricked it up on a macro level via the plot after s4
Wanna hear something more frustrating?
The reaction of Robb or Cat is to Sansa's marriage to Tyrion is never shown in the show
They cucked out on making Tyrion as flawed (and interesting) as his book counterpart, so they were stuck in a bind (of their own fricking making) of making the audience get pissy over Robb/Cat for shitting so unfairly on Tyrion.
Also funny how Robb's ebin masterstroke (attack Casterly Rock) was basically shit already addressed in ACoK - no point going for the Rock specifically cause it was too strong but his presence alone in the Westerlands was enough to force Tywin to move
because he knocked her up and didnt want to have a bastard son, because of his relationship with jon snow and seeing how he was treated as a bastard, so he married her for muh honor, not out of love.
Hey now that I think about it, Eddard could have more than likely prevented his wife from being spiteful and angry, his nephew from joining the Night's Watch to more than likely die a cold death, AND his heir from getting gutted. He could have even potentially used the information to help Robert overcome his loss and become a proper ruler. All if he had just told his family the truth about Jon's heritage.
Hard to blame Robb exclusively. Though he is responsible, he's still young (even in the show, let alone the books) and was raised by an absolute dumbass.
Ned not trusting Cat with Jon's secret was the smartest thing he did
Why? Did she hate Lyanna or something?
If Jon is a Targaryen scion, she'd sperg out even harder over his presence inviting conflict and endangering their children. Imagine if Robert found out, or Jon himself realised his lineage and felt destiny-bound to reclaim the throne, or any number of things. Cat was a neurotic sperg when it came to her children's safety
Well you don't go around advertising it, sending ravens to every realm. It's a family secret.
Anon, Cat's a woman, i.e. an emotional sperg. She conceived of Jon, as the bastard lowborn halfbrother, as a threat to her children. Jon being a Targaryen would send her into a frenzy simply over the possibilities if the truth ever got out in some way unforeseen to anyone
Why would anybody (other than potentially Robert) freak out about a halfblood Targaryen? Even then, Robert would only freak because of his irrational hatred for the name. Something that could be potentially fixed if Ned would just look him in the eye and tell him a harder truth other than that he's a fat frick.
Instead, do nothing out of fear and watch your house burn and the realm go to shit.
Ned pulled the L-card on Robert in book 1 to try to save Sansa's wolf, it didn't work. He made the right call.
I really hope we get anything other than R+L=J though
>Why would anybody (other than potentially Robert) freak out about a halfblood Targaryen?
He's Rhaegar's only living son and, therefore, the heir to the throne and Robert's hateboner is exactly one of the reasons Catelyn would flip out over Jon's presence
Mom and dad issues. Had Cat not been an absolute b***h to Jon. He would've just raised a bastard as a normal noble while keeping the marriage alliance to the Freys and endearing himself to Walder's tradition
Cat's concern over the fact that Jon may be a threat to the rights of his kids is legit
It would have been stupid if she liked Jon in the slightest
Jon had three "half" brothers. Even as the oldest child, he was far from the Stark throne. Plenty of other houses treated their Stones, Rivers, Waters, Storms as assets and extended family.
That wasn't her biggest concern, though. She was angry because Jon was a living breathing reminder of the time Ned broke his vows. Him being the spitting image of a Stark man was just salt in the wound.
true and it is a valid thing to be ubset about
if Brandon didn't get himself killed, She would have been northern Cersei.
The Riverlords really fricked Robb over when they declared for him. The North alone seceding would have been the easiest thing to do ever. But the Rivercucks done ensured Robb was honour-bound to defend the most vulnerable region in the entire continent.
But muh king in da norf!
Wut?
Was Cat's frick up common knowledge among the lords or was it perceived only as the Westerlands chimping out? At any rate, my memory is that they basically got caught up in the hype of Greatjon's speech regarding the guy who demonstrably had saved their asses
He wasn't incompetent he was just inexperienced as a politician.
>Brotherhood without banners
He basically ruined this homie's life
OH N-
He wasn't a bad leader, but he was too young and inexperienced
Beric had a woman he loved apparently which he never got the chance to meet after AGOT
In the case of Thoros the pre-Cat Brotherhood gave him a purpose and belief in his god for the first time in his life. Beric really got a raw deal though
he was an idiot like all starks
Daily reminder Renly ruined everything.
This, frick him for disrespecting his older brother
The true king
i supported renley tbh
It was Beric's resurrections that was the perverse part of his story, not dying only once in glorious battle against the Mountain.
All I remember from the five seasons that I've watched is that Stannis was the rightful king.
You're good then
>Jeyne is a shy, pretty girl, though according to Jaime Lannister not a beauty to lose a kingdom for. She is slender and willowy, but has "good hips". Jeyne has curly chestnut hair, a heart-shaped face, a shy smile, and doe-like soft brown eyes.
Would you?
yes, she was good wife material in the book
t. Tywin
If Renly could just keep his peaches in his pants he would have gotten the throne on Stannis's death anyway
>If Renly could just keep his peaches in his pants he would have gotten the throne on Stannis's death anyway
Kek, I still remember when the showmakers said they never did the peach moment because there were no peaches to be found... in Northern Ireland.
Damn so the constant mention of prostitutehouses and unacknowledged bastards is because of all the love that is automatically associated with sex in GoT?
Shut the frick up you sound idiotic.
>europoors
True, but also it's a crock of shit on part of the showrunners. Any shitty Asda or Sainsburys will have fricking peaches/nectarines.
>europoors lmao
Is American consumer wealth seriously several orders of magnitudes greater than what there is in the UK/Europe? Serious question.