How soon will they cancel him for this?
https://www.indiewire.com/2022/06/robert-eggers-modern-society-1234733111/
Robert Eggers says it’s hard to be creative in modern, secular society
How soon will they cancel him for this?
https://www.indiewire.com/2022/06/robert-eggers-modern-society-1234733111/
Yeah, because it would be so much better to be a creative in a society where theocratic fascists try to have your art censored or destroyed because it offends their totally real magic sky wizard.
*tips fedora*
As opposed to theocratic fascists fascists trying to have your art censored or destroyed because it offends their totally real
Think for a minute about who owns hollywood, and get a vasectomy.
>get a vasectomy
implying fedora gay fricks anyway.
reddit moment
the irony in this post is unreal
how is that any different from now? just replace magic sky wizard with NWO far left ideology
>theocratic fascists try to have your art censored or destroyed
Name some examples, I'm curious about that precious atheist ART from medieval times censored by theocratic fascists.
How would you hear about them if they were censored, moron homosexual? Anyway, The Death of the virgin by Caravaggio was rejected by the church for not being biblically accurate.
What you don't understand about term "atheist art"? Your example is still religious art, sponsored by church.
That clearly wasn't the point of the comment you're replying to, moron. And he's right. The only art that was permitted to exist during the Dark Ages was christian shilling.
>dark ages
and your opinion is dismissed as ahistorical nonsense
>dude it happened because... because trust me bro
You literally weren't allowed to make anything if the church didn't like it
something something irony
That's literally how it is today but with gays and trannies.
>But what about
Not an argument
>theocratic fascists
So glad we gained the freedom to blaspheme against God and in exchange lost the ability to tell the truth about human beings (like blacks, women, trannies, homosexuals etc.).
If you work anywhere even slightly prestigious you cannot go through a single day without having to lie about these things.
Unironically... dante, shakespeare, van iyke... yeah.
>theocratic fascists
you can't be a nazi christian, it's literally impossible
The bible is fricking weird.
Some of it is hippie SJW shit like love your neighbor, give to the poor, being rich is le bad but then it also says to kill homosexuals
the cuck christ vs genocidal desert israelites
Except the love your neighbor and give to the poor commands come from the Old Testament.
Those are not mutually exclusive. You can hate the rich for being greedy and cheating people while also hating gays for corrupting youth and themselves
isnt being homosexual a sin? that makes them the same as murderers and thieves
pederasty was a huge problem at one point, imagine dirty old homosexuals giving your children gifts, it's a corruption of youth thing the right understands and the left doesn't at all
>the left doesn't at all
they understand it. it's their modus operandi
just take the L on this thread dude. gonna be hilarious seeing the “pagans” turn on the northman now he’s said this
Good news immigrant, i hate myself. So frick you browns and blacks
fpbp, and no, Cinemaphile larping as christcucks is moronic, not funny.
fpbp excellent post for making /misc/cels seethe thanks for the entertainment anon
Think about when the greatest artworks in history were created and then reconsider what you've written.
I'm not religious btw, so I'm hardly some butthurt Christian. But the idea that the more secular a society becomes, and the more individual rights people have, the better art gets is simply ahistorical. I wish it weren't the case, but it is.
He's begins right, but for some reason he goes full fricking moron.
>Hurr durr I would have more creative freedumb in Medieval Europe
He literally couldn't have picked a time that this is less true of.
All the "ultra orthodox" LARPers that habitually jerk off to troony porn and have about 6 narcotics in their system are going to whine about this post, but he's completely right.
he never said shit about creative freedom, just that modernity and secularism encourages more narcissistic art. and he’s blatantly correct
put me in the rdrama bait screencap too!
holy based
nice bait
better than having everything creative destroyed in the american diversity imperialism
I'm literally shaking
ugly things should be destroyed
Wow, the incels really crawled out of the woodwork to reply on this one
Christians reproduce and have families at higher rates than atheist, homosexual
Just like low iq people
>Haha stupid Christians. I'll never pass on my genetic code and stay a super genius atheist.
Sick burn, bro.
seethe
>art is about tax evasion and money laundering
>no patrons actually exist as they may have in previous centuries, everything is mediated through corporations
>guilds guaranteed a baseline quality in most things and passing on of a tradition that could be expanded upon
Ok Soviet Kitsch apologist.
Touching children isn't 'art'.
The ironing.
Why do Redditors ALWAYS speak like this lads? They all have the exact same fricking vernacular. I want to murder everyone who uses it.
>why do hivemind losers with zero independent thought
>speak like hivemind losers with zero independent thought
Jeez, I dunno anon.
>I want to murder everyone who uses it.
do it
Censorship is still censorship regardless of political leanings. Its why wars happen.
You're not wrong, but they'll hate you for it
well then you would have to actually make aesthetically appealing art so I see why it would upset you
This dude is totally a white nationalist in secret.
Based.
>in secret
I don't think it's a secret lol
holy crap he put his middle finger up that's so freaking insane something only a... a... a NAZI would do
why did progressives become obsessed with the word nazi in 2013? it's like someone read a ww2 book and went off the deep end... they don't even like israelites i don't get it
>why did progressives become obsessed with the word nazi in 2013? it's like someone read a ww2 book and went off the deep end... they don't even like israelites i don't get it
Jews are at the top of the mountain with progressives, so the instructions on what to hate roll down the hill into the minds of their underlings. Germans, Christ, nationalism, boarders, whites, straights, etc.
people are obsessed with the nazis since ww2 morons, because unlike your shitty country that only cares to consoome, some people died because of those buttholes.
It's complicated because even Europeans (where nazis committed all of their atrocities) mimicked their american counterpart of calling everyone nazis for something they don't even like.
Or fascists. It's correct to use those words because if you're a totalitarian frick: it's a good analogy.
In Greece we also use something like "junta frick" because we had a military junta between 1967-1974 so it's natural for people to say fascists or nazis in an international setting since it's common language.
Are you going to call totalitarian government like North Korea 'fascist' or 'nazi'? Or are you going to do that with Orban, who was recently re-elected and got flacked for it? Or literally almost all government who doesn't adhere to western democratic values with such outdated terms? You people are no better than boomers who think these fancy words still carries its meaning and not 'totally' abused like what Orwell said.
he's definitely courting white nationalist viewers which probably isn't a bad idea marketing wise
don't do anything that overtly pisses them off and you have a guaranteed audience
Shut the frick up. He’s not doing that at all you moron. In case this isn’t a false flagging troony, you know this board is constantly monitored by journalists and Twitter homosexuals. You’re trying to get this guy cancelled or have a huge spotlight put on him?
Yes lol. That would be hilarious.
Shitskin
Bruh, you literally have to be a white nationalist to have views as moronic as "Medieval Europe was better".
For art? Yes it was.
>The Medieval Period is really well known for its great art
This is an ironic post, yes? Bruh the Medieval Period is known for three things: plague, christian tyranny and christian apologists lying about the entire period.
You get your history from r eddit. Come back when you're old enough to post.
this but unironically
than the dystopian hellscape of today? probably.
They're both bad. And what you fail to grasp is that Medieval Europe was LITERALLY a post-apocalyptic society. We are an apocalyptic society. Both fricking suck.
>"Medieval Europe was better".
that's not what he said at all
>>Hurr durr I would have more creative freedumb in Medieval Europe
did he say freedom, or did you project that?
You don't have to be a white nationalist to believe that we live in a tiresome, lame commercial culture, you know. I bet most commies would feel the same.
>I bet most commies would feel the same
neo-commies love their corporate overlords
His film was pozzed garbage that had zero value. Absolute dogshit and it mocked christians and promotes pagan moronic shit. You're a buffon if you think this israelite is a white nationalist.
God be praised.
the dad was cuter honestly
Ralph Ineson is very cute.
Those kids were fantastic.
What's it like growing up with a big sister?
Extremely painful.
Why's she getting naked to take a bath? Wtf she expect?
She should enter the shower in her chador and disrobe after a minimum of three curtains are pulled and bathing screen has been placed over the door and window.
And when entering the mens bathhouse to wash their penis she should be sure to wear a screen over her burqa's eye grid as well as a towel attached to her wrists so I cannoty see her hands. If I see her eyes or hands, I will rape her.
simple as
Sometimes it's nice like this, most the time they're mean.
Once I broke my ankle and on the way to the hospital my sis laid my head on her lap and stroked my head like that. I think she was like 16, I was 9. Last real affection I got from her
Big sisters are truthful women, in the sense that they may act feminine if they want to: but if they want to get something over you: they will frick you up. At least there's honestly.
Holy FRICK I want to be inside Anya so bad.
>Ralph Ineson is very cute.
unironically he should go into voice acting. powerful voice
He does some
>THIS WEEK ON SALVAGE HUNTERS
Kek
Eggers is alright. I feel the same way and want to learn a craft even if it's dying out.
>"I think it’s hard to do this kind of creative work in a modern secular society because it becomes all about your ego and yourself,” Eggers said. “And I am envious — this is the horrible part — I’m envious of medieval craftsmen who are doing the work for God. And that becomes a way to … you get to be creative to celebrate something else"
Holy fricking mother of based
Pretty based take. Kinda surprised.
medieval craftsman lived a pretty shit life
Who told you that? Apart from academic israelite books?
Hi Mike
Sounds like cope from a creatively bankrupt artist. Look at post modernist classical music to see atheists create beautiful original music that far outshines traditional classical music with much more prolificacy.
Link up some homie
oh shit, i actually heard some of glassworks the other day when i was listening to npr. based.
wow muh ostinato man
Love Philip Glass but he doesn’t outshine any of the old masters.
>Glass is better than the likes of Mozart or Beethoven
I love the guy but come on now.
Yea I agree with the others I don't see how this 'far outshines traditional classical music'. Maybe you'd think that if you only know Ode to Joy.
>post modernist classical music to see atheists create beautiful original music that far outshines traditional classical music
Bait
Yeah dude Philip Glass totally btfo's Wagner...you fricking mongoloid
Better but still not outshining the masters. Atonality, dissonance, odd meter, serialism, all that shit was done better by the likes of Scriabin, Schoenberg and Webern.
This but unironically.
We all gonna just ignore how derivative The Northman was?
It honestly seemed like a parody of pagan mythology tales at times and at other times, it seemed like a sincere attempt at making a genuine scandi tale. It was a weird movie and the dialogue was cringy as hell, worse than fan fiction at times.
>It's a nightmare. Not mine, theirs
Wow, how badass and original
Its easily his worst one, but he also didnt have final cut of the film, and the studio made him recut it because of test audiences. Id like to see his original vision, but its still probably worse than Lighthouse and vvitch
>post modernist art
LMAO
He has a point, art used to be art, not a commercial product. The piece itself was important, not which opinions the artist has and if he had said something wrong a decade ago or not.
praise god
>He has a point, art used to be art, not a commercial product.
You forgot a tiny detail
"as long as it served the church". At least in modern America there is more than one corporation to shill for.
shhh historical facts hurt the /misc/chud
yeah because the church is le evil! preserving all our knowledge and history and keeping Muslims out of our lands, those bastards!
>preserving all our knowledge and history
Yeah, except for the evil thoughts of those doggone pagan philosophers!
>yeah because the church is le evil!
All judaism is evil. Possibly all monotheism. The Egyptian civilization survived their bout with monotheism because they fricking burned its heresy to the ground. The Europeans didn't...and well here we are.
>preserving all our knowledge and history
Christians did literally the opposite of this. There's a good reason we have so little information from the Dark Ages. You're also missing the part that before the Roman apocalypse, christians were INSTRUMENTAL in destroying that civilization with things like the abomination known as the Codex Theodosianus.
>keeping Muslims out of our lands
Wow, how did you write two sentences try to make 3 points and get them all wrong? Islam is literally based on christianity. It wouldn't exist without christgays lol. And secondly, the Romans would NEVER have allowed muslims to take over. They didn't put with that kind of shit. Most of the barbarian invasions you hear about Rome having to put up with come from CHRISTIAN barbarian tribes like the goths, who were almost single handedly responsible for the beginning of the end of Rome as a civilization.
So are Rian Johnson and Jar Jar Abrams.
The thread is literally about a christgay LARPer whining that we don't live in the Middle Ages. How did you expect the thread to go? Just jerking him off and sharing stories about your personal conversion to Asatru?
>i'm just gonna take my 103 IQ over to Cinemaphile
frick off, normie
Most art was culturally tied to religious institutions or themes considering it was a heavy part of the culture. You still had art that was patroned by the aristocrats, and eventually the commoners would have access to art even just before the industrial revolution occurred. The Dutch were particularly known for their commissioning of hundreds of portraits per household since it was so easily available.
A single wall in St. Peters Basilica is a better work of art than all of modern day music and film combined.
How can the m*dern West compete?
Artists were true artists, not product shitters.
Michelangelo sculpted pic related at 24 years of age all from a single block of marble.
Looks like shit
What was the time Michaelangelo lived in called again? What artistic style is this again?
>TS Eliot? he lived in the MODERN era... that means all his religious poetry is actually atheist
lol
>art used to be art, not a commercial product
You know that every masterpiece was commissioned, right? As in they were paid to make it commercially?
>Bernini and Michelangelo
Wrong fricking examples man
I went to the cinema for the first time in three years just so I could financially support Eggers’ new film
NOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE NOTHING CREATED EVERYTHING AND ALWAYS PORTRAY RELIGION AS BAD OR ILL SEETHE!!!!!
Medieval craftsmen still needed patrons.
why does he look like such a basedlord but act like such a chad
I forget the interview but it was in prep for northman where is basically says this, saying something like how he looks like a well groomer hipster so people assume his attitude or behavior off people that look like that
This is dumb. There's nothing doing him from doing that, like Mel Gibson when he made The Passion. He's just a larping NatSoc.
It's nice to know the israelites aren't able to stop him though
based. so much art now is just masturbatory bullshit and ego driven
Literally who
He's right. Look at the art that was made during the renaissance vs the art thats made now. The loss of a sheltering sky in the form of a God that everyone could believe in has been a disaster for the human race. Nietzsche and Ted were right
Based Nietzsche Understander
If a tolerant and progressive society means less creativity than I’m all for zero creativity
very based
I like Eggers, but if it weren't for his casting choices, Anya taylor joy would've never had a career. That, I dislike him for
there is a kernel of truth to what he's saying and i'm certifiably eggers-pilled since the bb***h but it's basically a reactionary cope
TIRESOME
LAME
COMMERCIAL CULTURE
That is an incredibly lame take. You can go on YouTube and see thousands of people crafting amazing shit. From woodworking to sculptures to hyper realistic drawings to metalworking, resin casting, cabinet making, aquariums, miniatures... People are more creative now than ever before. This man is a fricking moron.
haha yeah, youtube, the high point of our civilization
aquariums
>the high point of our civilization
He didn't say this though?
What meltdown? He's saying his opinion is shit because it isn't based in reality.
>He's saying his opinion is shit because it isn't based in reality.
Well he's wrong. Anyone can compare art from different eras and see that, for example, baroque classical music is of a higher quality than today's music.
At the very least, someone who thinks there is great music out there today would have to concede that great music was also created hundreds of years ago in eras where church and monarchy were very powerful. So clearly those things don't = an absence of great art.
it's more elitist but i don't know about better, the same sort of urbanite was wanking about classical music then as modern art today
>it's more elitist but i don't know about better
You don't know if baroque music was of a better quality than today's music?
I'm just naming the first few things that popped into my head. The point is that the breath and depth of creative endeavors being undertaken today is much greater than it was in medieval times, so his point is idiotic. Don't get me wrong, most modern art is pure shit, but in terms of crafts, there are some amazing things being done all over the world, including some religious art, ironically. I love medieval (and renaissance) art as much as the next guy, and whenever I go to a new city, the first thing I check out is usually the big cathedrals and churches, but let's be honest, it gets a bit repetitive to look at the same sculpture of the virgin Mary done in the same style over and over again. People are still making "medieval style" art today, but they're also making some ingenious, out of the box stuff too. His worship of medieval times (a period in which people like you and me would have lived miserable existences) and medieval craftsmanship therefore seems misguided to me and basically he sounds like an edgy fricking moron.
cool blogpost mayhaps facebook would be more your speed
I don't think his point has anything to do with the amount of things that get made.
Why do atheists have a fricking meltdown every time someone is vaguely congratulatory toward religion?
Creative for what end? Appeasing an algorithm to drive profit and appease their egos, look at any of those videos where it's like two vaguely indigenous guys with a timelapse of them building a hut, it's shot and edited in such a way to keep you watching to see the end result not out of some love for the craft but to increase views. It's all fricking fake
everybody is doing the same stuff.
so, do something different. when you think about it, most other media and content nowadays being samey and terrible gives you a good opportunity to do something of your own and stand out. either that, or just learn a skill and do what you love. no one is stopping you.
Well he is a director. That seems to come with the territory.
>theocracy:
Michelangelo
Shakespear
>liberal technocracy
Disney Star Wars
Euphoria
Michelangelo was a massive homosexual and would love this era
you can love the art without loving the artist, anon
His art is impossibly gay. His women are even built like men ffs.
>Michelangelo
The Renaissance is literally a refutation of christian artistic conventions and mores. You'd know that if you had even a middle school level education of European history.
>Shakespeare
Dogshit. Literal shit. Why people think Shakespeare is good I will never understand. Literally the Christopher Nolan of his time. Never made anything good, but people just won't shut the frick up about him.
>Disney Star Wars
>Euphoria
Believe it or not, it's possible for two different ages to be shitty for two different reasons.
The whole “renaissance is unchristian” take is just unfalsifiable atheist cope. All the artists they claim weren’t christian like davinchi or michealangelo were literally writing private poems dedicated to jesus in their spare time. It’s complete cope.
People aren't claiming Michelangelo and da Vinci weren't religious. But the Renaissance was very much about going back to the art styles of the pagan Greeks and Romans.
and infusing them with christianity. people acting like baroque or roccoco have zero christian influence whatsoever are moronic. it’s like saying victorian neo gothic was medieval and religious, no, that was modernism combined with old religious styling to create something new.
They weren't traditional Christian styles, but the Catholic church was the main institution that patroned the baroque as an opposition to the iconoclasm of the pr*t. You can still see it's influences in Rome and the Vatican today. Rococco is more of a decadent version of the baroque without religious themes.
>The Renaissance is literally a refutation of christian artistic conventions and mores.
No it isn't. The West didn't even have traditional Christian art at the time of the renaissance. They changed artistic styles every couple centuries or so leading up to the renaissance which continued in a tradition of artistic change into the baroque then rococco, etc.
>ACHSUALLY
You can put the entirety of Ancient Greece under theocracy as well, considering they straight up killed people who made fun of the Pantheon
you can put anything pre 1800 under it, and even then most homosexuals would say we lived under one until like 1965
Oh what, and marvel films aren't real cinema too? Frick this chud
I will now purchase every film in his filmography. Based.
heres your modern culture bro
Make a movie for the actors who are in it.
Yeah frick this whiny homosexual. Getting $90m budgets, writing bland ass characters and fart jokes. I have no problems being creative, make my scripts instead.
he blames the studio system for northman but he also made a shitty movie called the witch im convinced he just got lucky with acting talent in the lighthouse
The Witch is actually based
So glad I don't like anything by this guy
He's essentially right. Very based observation.
This is common sense because the utter mediocrity of most movies and series says it all. More and more TALENTED people are addressing it:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10908853/Novelist-James-Patterson-claims-white-writers-victims-racism.html
>James Paterson
More creative and successful than thousands of mediocre diverse hires whose output in movies and tv should have never even existed-- just like them and other irrelevant types such as you.
umm sweaty you can't be racist against white people, these big noses said so
Exactly. Certain delusions about racism being impossible against whites or oppression in marriages being impossible for men are finally being seen for their nonsensical idiocy.
Look at the bovine expression of this Robin Diangelo creature: it says it all about these types.
>In February 2021, an online training course bearing her name came under scrutiny after a major social media backlash against The Coca-Cola Company, following the leak of pictures showing parts of an employee webinar. The course, called "Confronting Racism" and offered on the LinkedIn Learning platform, attracted negative publicity concerning DiAngelo's claim that "To be less white is to: be less oppressive, less arrogant, less certain, less defensive, less ignorant, more humble". It also showed DiAngelo asking viewers to "break with white solidarity".
Why do Italian and Irish diaspora act like such pseudo-israelites? Every time I see something perfidious that hasn't come from a berg/stein it's from an O'brien or a Diangelo
she's a israelite with an italian name
So a Sicilian?
t. Vinny Abategiovanni
stop lying you sleazy wop. don't you have some crime to organize? don't you have some gabagool to eat?
She doesn't look or sound Italian at all
'the new rules of Hollywood' article
Someone give him a massage. He needs to calm down and continue directing. I'm afraid for him.
people getting mad at him saying this need to calm down
Yes but we need to be smarter than them.
nobody seething because he praised religious art is intelligent, they are reacting negatively because they have an ideological commitment to doing so
like this guy
>stop giving your opinions
no
All his movies are shit
but you have seen them
If you're really stunted and/or stultified, that's an understandable take. The thing is: there are already several movies for your kind
The Witch and The Lighthouse were good and showed a lot of promise, he probably said what he did in the OP article because The Northman was meddled with by the studio and the result was really mediocre
He is now a certified kinomancer and ally of Cinemaphile
>it’s hard to be creative
Oh it shows Rob, it shows
His movie really wasn't that different, it's your average vikingshit flick with some interesting unique moments on top of it. If you have any kino culture you wouldn't be impressed at all by The Northman.
Chuds are always larping and idealizing "medieval times" as some better moment in History but they barely know anything about it.
He's projecting.
projecting what?
His ineptitude to come up with original stories onto other people because "society".
he's not projecting at all, he explicitly admits that he allows his ego to get in the way of his creative process, which is why he laments not existing in a time where art was created for a transcendent purpose instead.
all art can be called "derivative" if you stretch far enough.
Nothing is stopping him from doing anything. Le evil studio system gave him $90 fricking million to make his last movie, and he made a moody depressing period flop.
But the studio re cut the film and if you are doing a movie for a studio there's certain things you can't do. It's a very restrictive process and has become even tedious with all the leftist ideology mandated in 95% of media.
This is bullshit cope. He could've refused the changes and went to another studio with the project, but he didn't. Once you put your name on it, you can't just wait till after it bombs and then blame the studio.
It's not a cope at all lol. It's the system in place. Plenty of directors come out after the fact and talk about studio interference. If every fricking director quit whenever the studio wanted something we wouldn't have gotten ridley Scott's alien
If he thought the studio changes were going to ruin the film, he would have known that in advance of filming and could have left the project. Could've taken it to another studio, or if no one wants to make the film how he wants it, write something new. You don't just butcher your own film based on shitty studio ideas and then get to claim victim when it flops.
>He could've refused the changes and went to another studio with the project, but he didn't.
Not once they'd agreed to finance the film.
>suddenly a bunch of gaytheists deciding the northman was bad
Like clockwork. Actual brainwashing.
it's just discordtrannies screeching and running like wienerroaches, nothing new
test
He literally just stated plain common sense stuff, today you have to create products not art.
It's only that common sense today is close to illegal so such statements seem as something """shocking""" to most.
He didn't have to bring religion into it if that's what his point boils down to.
Why didn't he have to bring religion into it? Is it illegal to bring religion into a conversation?
Literally says that even in the medieval times art was made as art, not as a product. That he'd rather make art celebrating anything else than as a mass media product of today. It's only you that gets triggered for someone mentioning merely religion as an element in a conversation.
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It makes perfect sense when you think these artists were creating art to please a higher power instead of gain favor / notoriety. Its obviously not so black and white though but i get why he brought religion into it. Being a worshiper is to lessen your own ego
Are hollywood execs just jannies?
new atheists still haven't figured out their whole movement was a cryptoisraelite larp to be discarded when the next anti-white movement came along, all your allies became pro-muslim intersectional feminists ie. israelites
>just remembered that Nosferatu got cancelled
Bros...
>what if witches, but boring
>what if cthulu, but boring
>what if vikings, but boring
>>what if cthulu, but boring
absolutely nothing cthulu about lighthouse
filtered midwit
>all of these moronic anons saying BASED GIVE HIN YOUR ENERGY AHHHH
>meanwhile they didn't see his movies, pirated them, or got filtered
>spammed threads calling him reddit and globohomo
Ever get tired of being a hypocrite?
he's a hack and never made a good movie
>tfw you can't tell if right wing counter culture is real or just israelites trying to buy time until they can move all their operations to China
>top gun maverick is 80s kino
>director defends the middle ages and glorifying God with art
timeline shift?
This dudes name is like the inverse of Roger Ebert
>dumb amerimutt says something dumb about history
it’s sad that an artist can’t express an opinion like this without an army of atheist basedjaks emerging from the woodwork to shit on him
>it’s sad that an artist can’t express an opinion without an army of tradlarper /misc/chud schizoposters emerging from the woodwork to shit on they/them
ftfy
It's sad that you can't have a thread mention anything relating to religion without two armies of autistic morons taking the conversation to the exact same shitflinging route every time.
Is this what God wants from you? To call atheists gay morons on a Sunday?
And is this what you do with your "superior intellect"? Call religious people gay morons on Cinemaphile?
ITT
why does a fedora atheist have a cross pendant?
Because christlarping is the new edgy atheist fad among contrarians here.
except in this case you’re seething at something a movie director said and he looks nothing like that
I'm implying people in the thread look like that, not the director.
is it eggers with a hard r
>...but I think it’s hard to do this kind of creative work in a modern secular society because it becomes all about your ego and yourself,” Eggers said. “And I am envious — this is the horrible part — I’m envious of medieval craftsmen who are doing the work for God. And that becomes a way to … you get to be creative to celebrate something else.
Have to respect the sentiment, even as a fellow non-believer. Headline is misleading though. He's not saying secular society makes it hard. He's saying personal secularism makes creativity hard, and since most of society is secular, it's harder for everybody.
he’s saying secular art is narcissistic and all about the artist. he’s insulting it far more than you are letting on
>far more than you are letting on
How far am I even letting on? I don't understand your point.
>He's saying personal secularism makes creativity hard, and since most of society is secular, it's harder for everybody.
That literally makes no fricking sense. "When you don't have to think, it makes you more creative!" LOL He's literally just saying white nationalist /misc/ tier bullshit. I guarantee you this dude has fricked a child. Every single "person" that talks like this has sick fricking sex fetishes. Cinemaphile is standing proof of that.
>he’s saying secular art is narcissistic and all about the artist
Again, that's not even correct.
>and infusing them with christianity
You're not entirely wrong, but you have it backwards. Secular art was literally outlawed for most of the Middle Ages. They were INFUSING christian theocratic art with classical refinement.
Honestly, it's not even new. Christian apologetics is as old as christianity. Even the ancients knew they were crazy morons the first time they met them. It's pretty bad if at the same time your religion starts, you simultaneously have to start a deceptive PR campaign to sell it to people and "axchually" away all of the real concerns people had about the mental health of christians.
And again, you are incorrect, since we have plenty of evidence these artists were devout christians in their private life and that it played a big role in the art they made.
>secular art isn’t narcissistic
“what the artist spits is art” is a phrase championed by modern artists lmfao. every fricking sterile globohomosexual piece of “art” is all about self expression and assertion
Self expression and spirituality are not mutually exclusive. And spirituality and religion are not inherently connected. I think Fellini has made some of the most spiritual films ever made and he is probably the biggest ego self expressionist in all of film history. Eggers is just upset that when he looks inward he sees vanity instead of light.
Religion is spiritually with an actual commitment and practice behind it. There’s a middle ground, because most “spiritual” people are basically just schizo narcissists who think their own special insight and headcanon is more profound that anyone else’s and it’s ultimately a metaphysical way to assert their pre existing stances and opinions. At least religion encourages people to look beyond themselves and move toward a greater state, tons of “spiritual” people just stagnate and jerk themselves off endlessly.
Well a self proclaimed spiritual person does not mean they are actually spiritual. My point is you can be spiritual and a secular self expressionist and move in the same direction as someone earnestly following religion. You are right that religion helps show the path but it's not necessary and self expression/ego doesn't mean you can't walk it either.
I think we agree honestly I was being a little inflammatory
>heckin religarinos do PR!!!
>spends entire thread seething that some movie guy said a heckin anti secularism
>ignores that the two biggest state atheist regimes in history (china and USSR) are the most censor happy propagandist ones ever
>I’m envious of medieval craftsmen who are doing the work for God.
>Who, me? I'm an ACTOR, thanks for asking.
Hahahaha, what a fricking clown. Empty words, just like everybody else. If he loves medieval craftsmanship so much, why doesn't he take it up himself? Presumably he has more down time and money than most people. Why doesn't he start a medieval art collective? Become a patron to someone who actually is a craftsman? Because he's a fricking lazy frick with no real principles, just like the lot of us.
he’s a director moron, which is a craft
>a director moron
you can just say director
It's not a craft. Maybe it's a form of modern art, but it's definitely not a craft.
I'm not gonna say he's wrong, but this massive homosexual is clearly seething over his piece of shit simple jack movie bombed at the box office. He got lucky with lighthouse memes but everything else he's done proves he's a complete hack and now that he's crying only further solidifies that.
>he talks about medieval times
>gays itt talk about the renaissance
???
>Victorian. It means queen victoria. That means everything made in the 1800s was about queen victoria
moron alert
stop replying to the discord troony
xhe does it for the (you)s
>using outdated historiography that is just incorrect as an argument... to heckin own the christards
And own the validity of your own posts apparently.
Another meta self reflecting "artist" that's having an existential crisis over never making anything good. Dude has made movies more desperate for accolades than any director I've seen in years, and hes upset that his ego is too big because society doesn't believe in god? Shut the frick up and make a good film.
He's made more good than the vast majority of shit Hollywood pumps out these days. That is exactly what he is talking against, the modern woke, agenda driven, capitalistic suits running shithole that is Hollywood
He really hasn't. The lighthouse was the only good one and it's clear from his other films that that was a fluke. The Northman was actually incredibly poorly made, but people ignore it because everyone's desperate for le "art" even if it's bad. Top Gun Maverick is infinitely better than all his desperate award attempts and it's a literal 80s movie rehash. He's just another homosexual millennial in a self reflecting war with his own ego like Bo Burnham.
>dante, van iyke and chartes cathedral look like shit
Most pathetic atheist cope i’ve seen in a long time honestly, not much worse than larping that the renaissance was somehow secular though.
I know what he means. There's no mythos or sense of greater meaning in the world.
That's not really what he meant, is it? He says that having something above you to create art for removes the egoism that naturally goes into making films. Nothing about meaning or mythos.
it does apply though. if you are making art that is attempting to say something about divinity or whatever you are consciously trying to infuse with with an all encompassing spirituality that communicates truths about god to the people consuming it. you can also do that for different reasons with secular art obviously but ultimately it’s a political opinion piece rather than something made to reflect a reality beyond the artist himself
This. Consciously "spiritual" art is usually a fricking bore. Humans are naturally "spiritual", you don't have to force it. That's why the most interesting shit usually comes at random from your subconscious.
I think both are good. LOTR is a good example. Not high art in any way, but weird subconscious spontaneity mixed with a very intentional religious metaphysics surrounding it all. So it captures your imagination with the weirdness, and keeps your attention with what it has to say.
You don't know what you're talking about. Again, you're repeating tired r eddit arguments like the moronic normie you are. The West lost it's Christian aesthetic tradition when the Schism occurred, it's why you see naked angels in the West compared to the traditional depictions of the seraphim in the East. A large part of why the renaissance even occurred in the first place was because after the 4th crusade the French and Venetians brought back Greek artwork and philosophy to Rome. There was no "1000 years of darkness" and the only animosity for Galileo occurred between him and the Catholics was when he tried to rewrite theology when that wasn't his place to do so.
I actually know quite a bit about the topic. And because of that I know there's been a fricking mountain of christian apologetic cope heaped up on top of our actual knowledge of the Middle Ages based on the actual physical evidence we have. You may be surprised to know that one of the most famous Middle Ages rehabilitators is Stephen Jay Gould. Yep, that Gould. The moron who pretty successfully convinced the world that innate racial differences in intellect or behavior are basically impossible. The rest of your post is absolute christgay lunacy.
>There was no "1000 years of darkness"
Oh cool, so you have a whole bunch of documents from between 500 and 1000 C.E.? I should honestly say half a millennium of darkness, because around 1100-1200 we start seeing documentation again. But there really is a real hole that the christians burned in European history. It's not an hallucination, as christgay apologists and Middle Ages rehabilitators claim. And the proof is the fact that everything you use to claim otherwise all comes from after this period. And what little we DO have from those first few centuries after the fall of the Western Roman Empire depicts christian Europeans as absolute backward savages.
Italy is self-explanatory. That's where the israeli disease first took root in Europe. The Irish thing I don't really understand, but believe me I notice it too.
You have really shit taste. Unless you're talking about the Renaissance, then well yeah.
They do. Honestly the only reason LARPers praise the Middle Ages is because you want a christian theocracy of your very own. Gothic architecture is hideous and appalling to the senses. Dante was a fricking clown. Oh wow, some dumbass wrote a fiction book based on christian theology. BRAVE!! Utterly overpraised.
Well you're not going to get it from enslaving yourself to authorities.
>They do. Honestly the only reason LARPers praise the Middle Ages is because you want a christian theocracy of your very own. Gothic architecture is hideous and appalling to the senses. Dante was a fricking clown. Oh wow, some dumbass wrote a fiction book based on christian theology. BRAVE!! Utterly overpraised.
yeah you are a totally objective, unbiased, non mentally ill person totally not influenced by hating your christian dad or whatever
ywnbaw
>As the accomplishments of the era came to be better understood in the 19th and the 20th centuries, scholars began restricting the "Dark Ages" appellation to the Early Middle Ages (c. 5th–10th century),[1][5][6] and today's scholars also reject its usage for the period.[7] The majority of modern scholars avoid the term altogether due to its negative connotations, finding it misleading and inaccurate.[8][9][10][11] Petrarch's pejorative meaning remains in use,[12][13][14] typically in popular culture, which often simplistically views the Middle Ages as a time of violence and backwardness.[15][16]
sorry sweetie the science and experts say no
>MY BULLSHIT ENLIGHTENMENT PROPAGANDA IS UNBIASED AND TRUE BECAUSE.... BECAUSE IT JUST IS!!!! IT DOESNT MATTER THAT EVERY ACTUAL HISTORIAN REJECTS IT, LISTEN TO ME THE RAVING INCEL WHO HATES GOTHIC ARCHITECTURE!!!!
nah lol
This actually perfectly explains why his movies are so bad. The phony quality I was picking up on was actually him trying to consciously mask his own ego in the name of creating an "altar piece" as he calls it. Its literally dishonest filmmaking by definition.
how do you mask your ego cinematically?
Attempting a restrained and purposeful style instead of indulging in the extravagance of your own ideas. He's clearly desperate for recognition and to be seen as a genius but his films are very deliberately and consciously under the mask of "just a historically accurate folktale" instead of being the best movie of all time that it ought to be. It's all right there on the screen.
He wants to be deep and artistic so much. But he's just a regular 90 IQ American.
Sad.
>That's almost word for word what he said
no it isn't. you've managed to take almost the precise opposite meaning from what he said.
>if this isn't an argument about freedumb
are you really that dense? He's wondering aloud if art is better when people are constrained by something like religion than when they have the freedom to be solipsistic. At no point did he say he would have "more freedom as an artist in medieval times." It's about the quality of the art when it is made for one purpose vs another.
tl:dr - he's wondering if art is better when it is made for some some higher purpose than one's own ego + money.
That’s probably true to a degree because secularism removes higher thoughts especially about beauty and Art.
It can run off of fumes for awhile but even that runs out
the guy really can't blame clown word for his shitty scrips
This. Can't believe his mediocre shit gets greenlit with huge budgets and he still has the nerve to complain. I have 5 specs on my hard drive that mogg his whole career and I'm still dead broke.
>things made to last versus thinks made to last a couple of years.
jesus, why are atheists so fragile? it’s some guys fricking opinion
and his opinion is wrong
*is different to my own
do some breathing exercises and calm down, o rational sceptical one
>TS eliot
>renaissance artist
Oh ok I was talking to a complete moron who doesn’t read people’s posts before responding
is it just completely impossible for you to not reply to bait?
you're actually dumber than xher
Deliberately misinterpreting my point there. And no, lmao, the victorian era was not based around queen Victoria’s personal convictions- that is a laughable take. It’s called that because it’s a way to describe an era of many cultural and intellectual changes she happened to be queen of england during. Like jacobean, elizabethan. Nobody would argue everything shakespeare wrote was directly influence by queen elizabeth’s own stances and that it has no other identity. This is my point. The renaissance was still full of christian sentiment, art and culture. It was distinct from the christian culture that came before it, but it was still undeniably christian. Just in the same way victorian culture was an evolution of romantic culture. That doesn’t mean all romanticism was instantly erased from victorian society, or that victorian society was not also romantic- because most of its artists were still romantics, like renaissance artists were still christians.
>Deliberately misinterpreting my point there
he's trolling. fairly obvious by now
>to argue that the Middle Ages were a time of more creative freedumb.
he didn't argue that, as you well know
The enlightenment propaganda trying to defame the middle ages and imply it was some sort of nightmare hellscape came first. The romanticism of the middle ages is a reaction to atheists propagandising it- which again, came before christians doing that. Both the atheist and tradlarper view of the middle ages are fictitious manipulative bullshit, but I expect your stance will be more one sided.
get fricked, he ruined a movie to include gay shit
ugh... this is so vile.. fricking dark age backward morons...
NOW THIS... this is ART. free of the ugly limitations of religion!
lmfao
>NOW it’s art!
Reactionaries are embarrassing
if you kneejerk hate anything christian out of an ideological commitment to do so, how are you not a reactionary
reactionary is just name calling at anyone who won't go along with insane pinko schemes
>Pinko
kys
/pol/Black folk must be lynched
>anyone who doesn’t hate religion and challenges my bullshit statements about it is... le /misc/
All art in general sucks and all opinions in this thread are wrong.