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31:57 >He got the job shortly after Vivo came out (August 2021 is when the direction change happened) >He got a call from DreamWorks telling him about this change and being asked to do it >He was allured to it by the potential multi-generational story with "super strong female characters" and being a fan of kaiju movies >About 18 months to get it finished in time >So it got finished at March 2023, same month the first trailer dropped >Interviewer says she loved how Ruby and Agatha were handled, Ruby's not a moody teenager and Agatha's not a nagger >Kirk brings up the Lighthouse Scene and how it highlights why the two how a solid mother/daughter relationship >They discuss the designs and aesthetics underwater >A certain set was already done before he arrived >Surface stuff was largely the same >Underwater stuff was more defined after he became director >Grandmamah did NOT have as many scenes so they made sure to have her in the prom scene >There was an emphasis on scale for the final movie >Discusses how Ruby's growth is based on not having to afraid of being a kraken and accepting it >Chelsea discussion happens at 40:55 >Interviewer brings up the Ariel comparison >Kirk says she was made before he got there >The writers original pitch script was made in 2015, the live action Little Mermaid >Says when he got involved it was right after Luca and insisted the film they were doing/gonna do would be different enough >Nine months in, Turning Red happens and he notices the similar beats >Acknowledges the comparisons but it was unintended >Says marketing doubled down on the mermaid vs kraken stuff >Thought it was really cool to make Chelsea a "Mean Girl" character with "a greater plan" >42:53 "It was a great twist, I mean know it was given away" >"The idea was that she would come in and she was putting on an act". "She isn't really her" "She'd be what you expect all the kids would fall in love with" >"So that was kind of fun"
>"It was a great twist, I mean know it was given away"
This pretty much confirms the theory that the marketing department spoiled the twist against the Ruby Gillman team's wishes because they understood how bad it was.
They still have Annie Murphy voicing dialogue that wasn't in the final film so either they had her voice lines exclusively for the trailer or they used audio that was cut from the final film where Chelsea was more blatantly antagonistic
Did they really change the thing because of the fricking voice actor without taking into account how it affects the entire story? Isn't that like writer 101
We don't know
We know VAs can influence direction of characters if it makes for a better movie that uses the talent at their best like how John Mulaney's performance practically redefined Jack Horner from being a more serious, one-note villain to being a star attraction
I think Kirk discusses the marketing in that other interview that keeps getting posted about whether he was aware of it spoiling the twist or not
Will this person and the writing team still get jobs just as easily, or will the writing decisions and severe financial failure be harmful for their careers?
It'll probably result in them moving onto smaller projects but it won't kill their careers entirely like Delgo
Even Peter Sohn got to direct a movie again after the Good Dinosaur
It just took 8 years
More Teenage Kraken Thread, this is like the biggest thing, since the Dragon Ball Super threads have been showing up. With new facts, and even details about the characters.
Nobody likes the grubhubians you inbred grubhubian filth
Shut the frick up you diseased waste of oxygen
Do everyone a favor and drink bleach, it'd be the one act done by you that would actually make people happier
I think this movie could've benefited from having an ensemble cast and a more adventurous plot. Not full-on Aquaman, maybe something more akin to an underwater Goonies or maybe even an underwater Dark Crystal where the team has to travel to find a lost macguffin. Plus you could have a lot more fun with underwater cryptids/mythical creatures who join the odd couple of Ruby and Chelsea. >Ruby (Kraken) >Chelsea (Mermaid) >Quiet girl Selkie >A nerd-jock Finman >A himbo Grindylow/Grendel >A hippocamp or loch ness monster for the team's Appa
And the villain is Cthulu or something idk.
That sounds more like something for a series the same way the newest KFP retains only Po and his dad while making the party consist of new original characters and not the Furious Five and Shifu for some reason
If there are drawfriends lurking about these threads, could I request a picture or two of Chelsea being surrounded by her adoring fans and looking seemingly happy, but upon closer inspection, she's actually completely sad and empty and feeling so alone, plz?
Now Ruby, just because someone looks different than you or thinks differently than you, doesn't mean you should be afraid of them. It means you should be ANGRY at them. How dare they be different?! What, my way of life ain't good enough for 'em?!
Shes expected to chase around a tiny fast little fish monster around her highschool and destroy it. For teenage girl reasons, shes been shirking her responsibilities as a kraken and keeps putting it off. It eventually escapes into a drain and she forgets about it. It comes back bigger and stronger and now she learns a lesson about procrastination.
Im sure this plot has been done in other cartoons but i like that the eel can be litteral in this fish themed setting.
I don't think I can ever let go, my seethe is eternal. But yeah we're finally running out of talking points I think. I can never be sure though since these threads have been going on as long as they have.
Look on the bright side, DreamWorks only rarely has consistent teams on board for the franchises
I think the closest we got is HTTYD maintaining the same director across all the films and KFP retaining the screenwriters
RubyJoker-Anon here with delivery.
Did i make it? Is it too late?
tbh I kept making these threads to deliver the request I've been completing from previous threads .
I've been here since the very firsts ones, back to when the movie premiered.
If this one dies I'll just post them on the general drawthread and move on.
My name is Ruby, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, moronic, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass theories. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on Facebook.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I'm a proud mathlete, and can turn into a giant fricking Kaiju-like monster. What clubs are you into?, other than the "always begging like a moron for a fanart of a ship between a rando and my Chelsea making out club"? I also get straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all homosexuals who should just have a nice day. Thanks for listening.
>check twitter for RGTK fanart >ESL artist murdering the language >autismo deluding herself Chelsea is manipulating an entire nation (???)
Is it krakovever?
>>ESL artist murdering the language
Their art is cute so I don't mind >autismo deluding herself Chelsea is manipulating an entire nation (???)
Eh, even this movie would have defenders like that
People have the right to their own opinion >Is it krakovever?
The box office disaster didn't spell it out already?
All we need is a director confirmation that Chelsea is mentally an adult
Completely acceptable, Chelsea is probably the most appealing looking character in this movie, and the movie itself deserves nothing but being trashed over and over.
RGTK fans are actually Chelby fans, and most fanworks go around fanon instead of the shit we are supposed to accept as canon.
Reject canon when it's shit and replace it with your own.
>Chelsea is probably the most appealing looking character in this movie
She also has an actual fleshed out personality (well before the last 15 minutes) unlike the Grubhubians
>unlike the Grubhubians
i swear this movie's staff think people will sympathize with the grubhubians just by virtue they're Ruby's friends. No, you need to make your characters, well, actual characters, not archetypes, not a bunch of generic tropes. Connor is literally the opposite of a character, it's just a(n ugly ass) plot device, serving just as Ruby's motivations. But guess what, viewers resonate more with Chelsea, i wonder why? Ah yes, 'cause Chelsea is an actual character.
The thing about false friendship vs true friendship stories is that it's "want vs need"
The problem is that Chelsea IS the "need"
The friendship they had is what finally made Ruby accept who she was as a Kraken
The Grubhubians do fricking nothing to make their friendship with Ruby more genuine than Chelsea's besides "lol we just accept you" which feels hollow because EVERYONE accepts Ruby anyways
Almost anything bad you can say about Chelsea's friendship with Ruby (before the Nerissa twist) can be applied to them
They encouraged Ruby to lie to her mother just to attend Prom, were going to attend Prom without her anyways even if it would devastate Ruby, and their advice to help Ruby ask out Quandale Dingle was awful
I've brought up the Anya's Ghost comparisons before and I'll do it again here
Siobhan represents the "need",
Emily represented the "want"
Siobhan was the one who told Anya the honest bitter truth that her crush was a piece of shit even if telling her that broke them apart
Emily was the one who encouraged her to go for it even after Anya lost all interest after finding out yes her crush IS a piece of shit
Siobhan and Anya reconciling feels actually earned as a result because you know despite her flaws, Siobhan really does care for Anya in a way Emily could never
I just realized the grubhubians represent "want" more
Ruby wanted to be "normal" to attend prom with them but after she learns to love herself thanks to Chelsea, she stops caring about prom because that no longer mattered now that she got what she needed thanks to Chelsea
Does these people even know how to actually write basic ass conflicts!?
i swear i keep finding/learning new ways to invalidate everything this movie tried to be.
This movie is like Balan Wonderworld, a shit ton of wasted potential in the hands of incompetent people who should NOT be doing shit in the entertaining industry.
Why should the audience care about the prom dance when Ruby herself stopped giving a shit and resolving the mermaid/kraken race war is more interesting?
Fricking Wendy Wu had the titular character never stop obsessing over Homecoming but still let go of it after realizing some things were more important
It's interesting to see how the film basically created two separate film plotlines that really don't relate to each other. One revolving around Ruby's human life with her friends and crush where she's afraid about being exposed as a kraken and the other revolving around Ruby's royal role in the forever conflict between krakens and other sea creatures alongside Chelsea where she's afraid of the burden and responsibility it entails. The second ends up overshadowing the first only to snap back to the original right at the end.
>The second ends up overshadowing the first only to snap back to the original right at the end.
They wanted to segway from a high school story with slice of life problems to an epic superhero origin
The problem is the lack of cohesion or thematic weight that ties everything together
Ruby doesn't achieve her need at the end, she achieves it when the movie still has about 30 minutes left with her new goal of wanting to avoid what is basically her being drafted into future race wars being proven unattainable
May be beating a dead seahorse at this point, but another idea for a potential fix would be for Chelsea to make several mentions of her mother making ridiculous demands of her to Ruby to vent (normal teenager stuff, like curfew, keeping out of trouble, school work, etc.). When Chelsea gets the trident and betrays Ruby, she'll mention (in a sorrowful, regretful tone) that her mother demanded it.
In the climax of their fight, Ruby will try and get Chelsea to stand up to her mother and stop the fighting (much like how she doesn't always agree with her mother and opposes her grandmother's racist ways), but Chelsea can't do that...
...because her mother is dead.
Because she can't actually stand up to her mother like how Ruby can, Chelsea will feel obligated to carry out her mother's revenge plot, and not doing so would make her feel like she's letting everyone down. This will further cement to Ruby that she and Chelsea are more alike than they realize.
Ok, I saw the movie this week and I have to ask, any chance of this getting a show? Considering how DreamWorks makes shows of nearly everything, what are the chances Ruby has?
Every original DreamWorks IP since The Croods has gotten a show
Problem is, Ruby's not just A flop
It's THE flop for DreamWorks (granted Australia is probably gonna make it beat Spirit Untamed soon but outranking a cheap animated movie loosely based on a spin-off series based on an old animated movie all while released during the pandemic doesn't sound any better)
DreamWorks probably wasn't expecting how popular Chelsea (and her chemistry with Ruby) would have ended up being
I think whether or not that promotional trident short was made was a reaction to that is an indicator of where she'd stand regardless of what Industry Anon said
We've said this since the beginning
Chelsea could've worked as a foil to Ruby because she lacks what Ruby has despite her insecurities, a family that loves her and that lack would explain her more troubling behavior and actions whether it'd be delinquency or seeking revenge
I'm still curious if concept art of Chelsea even having a family exists
Mirage Baxter Stockman?
He admits he's evil because it's fun but then again he was still an antagonist in the comic he debuted him simply for being the one who made the Mousers
Cinemaphile theorized it was dropped because it just muddled things up
It's good for letting us know Ruby's a compassionate person who does care for marine life but it also begs the question on what the frick does this even lead to?
How does this connect with what the film is making its actual focus and how does it get resolved?
Some women said Hans gave off Narcisistic manipulator vibes even though that shit was added in the last draft, I think it's more of a placing your personal trauma onto a character
Actually, Hans was always gonna be the twist villain even back when Elsa was gonna initially be the main villain >Frozen went through many different iterations, but here are some common elements from some of the early drafts: Frozen was to open with a prophecy that "a ruler with a frozen heart will bring destruction to the kingdom of Arendelle." We're then introduced to Anna, our pure-hearted heroine, and Elsa, an unrelated evil Snow Queen. We learn Elsa is a scorned woman; she was stood up at the altar on her wedding day and froze her own heart so she would never love again. Both Elsa and the audience assume she's the villain from the prophecy. Fast-forward to the final act: Elsa creates an army of snow monsters to attack our heroes while Kristoff has "a Han Solo moment" and comes to help Anna. To halt Elsa's attacking army, the two-faced Prince Hans triggers a massive avalanche—not caring that the avalanche also puts Anna, Elsa, and all of Arendelle in jeopardy. Anna realizes Elsa is their only hope, so she convinces her to use her powers to save the kingdom. The twist is that the prophecy from the beginning is actually not about Elsa, but about Hans—he's the one with a metaphorical frozen heart because he's an unfeeling sociopath. Elsa's heart is then unfrozen allowing her to love again.
>but about Hans—he's the one with a metaphorical frozen heart because he's an unfeeling sociopath
Wow, to think Frozen used to be even more moronic. That makes the severe downgrade that was Frozen 2 not so shocking anymore.
>I think it's more of a placing your personal trauma onto a character
I think it's less that, and more a simple case of Hindsight bias. They have seen the trailer and probably the movie and thus know she is evil, that's why they know it was (super badly written) "manipulation". Without that hindsight, I can guarantee you, almost no one would have called it manipulation, and the only people who would have are the ones that have seen Chelseas narcissistic scenes first before the friendship scenes, and thus had confirmation bias from that. (Because anyone who dares to call themselves beautiful must be evil)
>piratepon/dressguy self projecting into the ugliest people in recent fiction
This says a lot about the (lack of) mental health of this massive Black personhomosexual.
Do you think Ruby Gillman has their own version of AI presidents playing minecraft and shit? But it's Grandma Nerissa and whoever the frick else is there
>Well yes but I don't know what the frick they'll do with an Elemental show.
Original plan for the movie was to end it with the main couple having a child. Show will probably be about that and more racism.
They really didn't know what story they were writing. >Chelsea's plan became even crueler (really preying on Ruby's vulnerability to get to her mom)
Chelsea actively avoided Agatha. The only thing she wanted was the trident. Hell, even after she got the trident, Chelsea didn't go after Agatha. She just became a big dumb final boss fight.
This. Fusing Nerissa and Chelsea didn't improve the character(s), quite the opposite, her motives became weaker, her characterization became duller, and the whole movie ended falling apart mostly 'cause this stupid decision. i unironically hope the directors know this, i wish they learned about how stupid their "subversive" decision was.
It still would've had the unintended "racism good" message but making Chelsea and Nerissa the same person actually makes it even worse
Had the two remained separate you could at least show Ruby's compassion and sympathy regardless of what Chelsea tried to do as an example of her NOT being like her mom and grandma which would make the story more empowering for a character like her
>It still would've had the unintended "racism good" message
Yep, that's why i said mostly. i'm still baffled a modern animated kids movie went that route unironically.
The only way to fix this was defying Grandmamah's view instead of reinforcing it. And guess what, making Chelsea and Nerissa different characters would've helped for that. Chelsea's actions would've had actual motivations (and linked to past actions motivated by racism), and not just based inherently in her race.
Buuuuuut the krakens can't do wrong, they have no blood in their tentacles if their actions are the right ones, right?
10 months ago
Anonymous
The least empowering thing to have in your movie about youth empowerment, is proving the adults right over issues like this
Ruby's character peaked when she befriended Chelsea and strove to make things different
Her character actually degraded now she's a reflection of the adults' desires rather than her own
10 months ago
Anonymous
i detest how this movie pretends Ruby grew as person when she did the opposite objectively.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You have no choice regarding your future >It's all built on your family's compromises rather than your own >Peace is a lie, the status quo will stay the same, conflict is inevitable and you must embrace and participate in it as your birthright >You cannot choose who you want to be friends with, they have to be approved by your parents >Not over their own actions but rather because of who they were born as because people can just be born collectively inherently evil over matters they have no control over >Remember kids, be yourself* >*as decided by how other people want you to be
There are Avatar Press comics less cynical than this
10 months ago
Anonymous
now i think about it, yeah, what's supposed to be the moral here? Like, what's the core reason you are telling this story? What do you want to tell us?
This is a genuine question, 'cause none of the morals they insist they put on this movie are actually here, this movie is so fundamentally incompetent i can't think in any justification of its existence on its current form.
Your audiovisual product requires a reason to be. What's RGTK's reason? Money laundering? Tax redux?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>now i think about it, yeah, what's supposed to be the moral here?
Be yourself and family shouldn't hide secrets
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Be yourself
Ruby isn't herself at the end of the movie, but a reflection of Grandmamah's (questionable) morals >family shouldn't hide secrets
And you want the audience to trust Grandmamah? This would be a good moral if GRANDMAMAH WASN'T A GENOCIDAL WARLORD, you know, the kind of person a parent, as Agatha, would try to drift away and lie about her existence to their children.
10 months ago
Anonymous
More like, you shouldn't hide secrets over stuff like why you're not allowed to go certain places or your heritage or so on so forth
10 months ago
Anonymous
Again, this doesn't work when applicability is a thing, when your lesser problems are contrasted to bigger problems in the very same movie. If you're gonna write a conflict, don't add a bigger conflict nullifying the previous one, and therefore reducing your moral to complete bullshit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I don't think people watching this movie blind actually wanted Grandmamah to be proven right
10 months ago
Anonymous
>now i think about it, yeah, what's supposed to be the moral here?
Probably just "trust your elders" or something along those lines.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It feels like the original writers wanted to go in a direction where Nerissa and Chelsea were different characters, which would lead the whole movie plot more towards a "generational conflict" where the kids eventually get along and realize "maybe grandmas racism is wrong."
But then it feels like an executive came into the board room at some point and said:
> Oh hey, so we're pitching this idea of making a Ruby Gillman series. It's gonna be a Monster Of The Week show, and Ruby uses her Kaiju powers to save the town. The villains are always bad and Krakens are good. So you gotta rewrite the movie script so that the ending ties into the series."
So then every major script change was basically trying to retrofit this mandate into the movie without totally killing their original idea. And what you end up with is a conflicting mess, because Chelsea now needs to be irredeemable, and Ruby now needs to be a Super Hero instead of a slice of life "fish out of water" character.
The writers probably didn't have time to do a full rewrite, and like 35% of the movie was already likely storyboarded and animated so... They couldn't just make a new script and start from scratch... instead had to work with what they had and contort the unfinished scenes into the new direction.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I kind of want to write a story where this is actually presented as a bad thing
10 months ago
Anonymous
I fricking hate the "call"
It is the worst implementation of destiny as a trope I've seen that doesn't revolve around romance
Again, I think even marketers knew it if they were the ones who went for the trident promo but it was too late so they never had a conversation going "WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU MEAN THE MERMAID IS EVIL"
This. Fusing Nerissa and Chelsea didn't improve the character(s), quite the opposite, her motives became weaker, her characterization became duller, and the whole movie ended falling apart mostly 'cause this stupid decision. i unironically hope the directors know this, i wish they learned about how stupid their "subversive" decision was.
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If Chelsea and Nerissa were separate, it would actually challenge the status quo
That maybe this cycle of violence is bad
That the world isn't black and white as it seems
That Agatha had a reason to protect Ruby from a life similar to Chelsea's and it makes her leaving for life among humans carry more weight
But by making them the same person, nobody gets to question this because it conveniently erases "Are mermaids inherently evil?"
In fact, they embrace the status quo
Ruby is essentially drafted with zero choice in the matter because of some stupid "call" bs
People are allowed to have dumb opinions
Doesn't outweigh the people who agree the twist was moronic
I'm sure there were people who thought Lightyear's story wasn't dumb, more power to them
Technically doesn't confirm she's mentally an adult but...yeah
What are you expecting them to say? >We made a huge mistake with the Chelsea twist. As the writers of Ruby Gillman, we hereby declare the last fifteen minutes of the movie to be NOT CANON. Ruby and Chelsea stay super seagirl besties, undo the generational racism between their species, and have lesbian interspecies monster girl sex after going to prom together.
They'll only ever double down on their bad decisions. Even if they know how much they fricked up, it's better from a business perspective to just double down and hope it pays off.
Honestly, I didn't think they'd outright admit they fricked up but I still dislike any further confirmation that Chelsea ISN'T mentally a teenager because it makes one of the few enjoyable moments in the film harder to enjoy in retrospect
Granted, it still keeps things vague enough to have wiggle room to suggest while "Chelsea" as a persona is a lie she can still be mentally a teen matching her looks
I mean zero disrespect to the people involved and that they can have steady careers but if RGTK does a continuation, I hope they aren't involved in the writing and the more negative feedback surrounding the twist (as well as the gaping holes of logic and world building the decision caused) is taken into consideration
>director says Ruby and Cheslea gave a nuanced relationship >co director says opposite
This is so hilariously incompetent
What's with the raging disparity between writers in animation and animators?
I know I'm replying to PiratePon but frick it
Her absence would be weird since she's just imprisoned and her being royalty means any new potential mermaid not addressing her presence in the town as a prisoner would be weird
Granted, Industry Anon was right that the Chelsea we love and know is never coming back regardless
Did these people watch a different movie? The fricking director himself said the mermaids are in hiding, but that makes me wonder, what does the director think the mermaids are hiding from?
>Agatha defying the "call" and not killing all the mermaids is retroactively proven to be a bad thing >Making Chelsea Nerissa confirms she did kill actual Royal Kraken >Ruby embraces the "call" and inherits the race war >Ruby spares Nerissa even though not killing finbacks is an act against the "call" and is what got them in this mess in the long run
???????????????
Ruby Gillman 2, the "call" is revealed to be a Lovecraftian abomination that messes with reality to determine the fate and actions of marine life to maintain an eternity of war and suffering for its own amusement
A but unrelated but read Anyas ghost like some anon recommended, wtf was up with the popular girl why is she a cuck? And I can kind of see the similarities between this and RGTK
>wtf was up with the popular girl why is she a cuck?
She was afraid of breaking up and facing the truth that her boyfriend was a horrible person
That and/or she made the fatal mistake of "I can fix him"
They really preferred writing Chelsea as a mustache twirling villain no matter what. But yeah, I do wonder what the end point for the fight was under the water that time.
Eh, not even that, just keeping Ruby and Chelsea as friends would've been enough... Just that would've defied the status quo, just doing that would've helped Ruby to actually grow as person, just doing that would've gave the audience an actual moral and reason to watch and recommend this movie to others.
But doing the bare minimum was too much for these incompetent people.
If you think about it, Nerissa could represent fighting back against your oppressors who genocided you through violence , like Magneto. And thus turning her into a mustache twirler demonizes this approach
Korean, so I guess that explains all the butchering, also makes me wonder if thats the case for some of the most aggressively unintelligible spanish art too
>some of the most aggressively unintelligible spanish art too
Nah that's just people butchering their native language. It's subtle, but there's a stark difference between "Person who speaks X as a 2nd/3rd language making a mistake" and "Native speaker of X making a mistake".
Bilingual/polyglot people making mistakes is usually done in a predictable manner, and you can tell what they mean. But people butchering their native language is pretty much Stroke Central. Go on Facebook and look at half the shit native English speakers post, I guarantee to you it's on the same level as this bullshit.
Monolinguals that can't even use their own language properly usually get there from laziness/anti-intellectualism from their part. Before anyone comes at me for this, no, I am not aiming this at people who speak dialects/creoles, or people with disabilities that quite literally turn their speech into spaghetti, this is about buttholes that have gone their entire lives not giving a shit about studying and have forced their monolingualism on others.
two pieces of gold for the person who could decipher this.
Was this written by fricking Terry A. Davis and his god program? I have a feeling running it through Google Translate numerous times will somehow make it more legible, not less.
There are two core flavors of "be yourself"
"Yourself" is either defined as be proud who you are a person or aspire to be what you want to become
Characters like Jack Skellington and Wreck-It-Ralph learn to be themselves by loving who they are and what they are able to do right. They don't have to be someone else, they're good just the way they are in their own unique ways nobody else can become.
Characters like Remy and the Iron Giant are able to be themselves by defying the expectations placed on them and striving to choose their own destiny against all the odds
Ruby DOES learn to be herself because of Chelsea's advice but at the time she's ultimately proven wrong when it comes to defying the expectations placed on her. Not out of a selfish desire to be someone else but because she wanted to achieve peace in the ocean. What she is as a kraken is defined by someone else.
No, you don't get it, this is a master manipulator at work! First she will date the Kraken, then she will frick the Kraken, then she will marry the Kraken, then they will adopt children together. And finally, when the Krakens guard is down after 80 years of happy marriage, she will STAB HER IN THE BACK
I'm reminded of that one Owl House fan comic of Amity thinking to herself, "This doesn't mean anything," as her relationship with Luz grows, with dating, marriage, and eventual kids.
>leak
Mate, even if it was a synopsis it's a basic nothing burger
It's such a basic, obvious premise that doesn't give us anything really specific
Wake me up if Chelsea is confirmed to be back defying Industry Anon's statement
>adventures >plural
But yeah this movie's marketing is such a disatrous mess it's streaming release had to spoil the whole movie up until the last 15 minutes in its own description
It's funny how this movie came out after Spider-Verse and Elemental
The latter being a typical racism bad story and the former being about a teenager trying to defy destiny and determine his own destiny with him not being proven a fool for it
I would have figured someone would have made that observation in an actual review already, unless they're being paid off to ignore that little blemish or they agree that "Racism against merfolk is good, kids"
Its been commented a number of times in reviews that it would've been better that the movie didn't have Chelsea be pure evil and that she had more potential if her friendship with Ruby wasn't a lie
The closest thing that explicitly focuses on the nightmare world Ruby Gillman lives in is a scathing podcast review
All those expressions would've made sense if Chelsea wasn't Nerissa and was doubting going through with her "avenging her mother" plan using Ruby. Just have the trident's power amplify those negative emotions from her childhood when she transforms.
Piratepon, you should keep your moronic ass on Xwitter, just there people support Connor...
Oh wait that's the thing, even Connor supporters on Xwitter hate you.
They think Ruby's autistic
People think Chelsea is taking advantage of an autistic girl
Honestly you can have disagreements over the ship, that's fine but actively seeking fights and playing holier than thou is stupid
It's just gonna waste people's time because you're not gonna change each other's views
Fine
Nobody draws Connor with his hideous Grubhubian features
But then again, nobody can give him an actual likable personality
>writer/director incompetence so incomprehensibly high it actively bends reality and forces Cinemaphile to engage in large scale fanart, OC creation and even tv plot writing
I'm starting to think these threads are never gonna end. Every new little thing we learn about the production mess is so painful it enables a self-sustaining interest renewal.
Too many consecutive threads for movies and shows get /trash/'d (unless you're Death Battle)
RGTK threads WILL die out but it'll always be mentioned as examples of writers dropping the ball, wasted potential, or movies nobody saw
>giving up
We already gave up, Hell, there was nothing to hope about after the movie got released. This is all post-damage copium, no true hope but meaningless what if scenarios.
>and the movie was the worst DreamWorks bomb of all time.
It's gonna beat Spirit Untamed especially because of Australia but still, it's the worst domestically and mogging a limited released low budget movie based on a Netflix series based on a decade old movie during a pandemic JUST barely doesn't sound impressive
this movie would have been so much better if it just focused on ruby's social life than trying to force in all that kraken v mermaid war bullshit. cant we get a single animated movie where the stakes arent inflated?
Luca. It's comfy and great.
Ruby should've been like Luca, in fact they pretty much bloated the movie with bullshit to try to don't be like Luca... and they ended like Turning Red but with a pro-genocide agenda.
holy shit you are so right actually. if only thats how the movie went. i really wish the mermaid had just been the mean ol' popular girl instead of whatever the frick this is
>, in fact they pretty much bloated the movie with bullshit to try to don't be like Luca...
They didn't know about Luca when they were heading into this direction and felt where they were taking the film would be distinct enough
Turning Red though got them more concerned over copying accusations since the directorial change was motivated with the "Three generations of strong women reconciling" angle
holy shit you are so right actually. if only thats how the movie went. i really wish the mermaid had just been the mean ol' popular girl instead of whatever the frick this is
holy shit you are so right actually. if only thats how the movie went. i really wish the mermaid had just been the mean ol' popular girl instead of whatever the frick this is
I'm officially a 10,000 Maniacs fan because of that storyboard
I wish the soundtrack of the final film did more songs similar to them or stuff that influenced Spongebob's atmosphere
damn, thats crazy
but lesbian cuckoldry is just sad, man. i cant quite put my finger on why, i almost feel like it happened to me on a previous life or something.
>but lesbian cuckoldry is just sad
it's the lowest kink out there that doesn't involves literal shit.
Still, it's more of Connor getting dunked on than the cuck factor here, as Connor deserves less than nothing, he isn't a character at all, but just a poorly built archetype that serves no purpose but burnt down tropes no human being with standards like, just for Ruby's false sense of motivation.
It's funny how much of a storm in a teacup the Chelsea controversy is. We know the movie failed and nobody cared, and that even less of its audience were shipgays. But somehow the DreamWorks staff is compelled to address the minority's complaints about the villain and MC's relationship without admitting that somebody fricked up.
Honestly, I don't know what they're getting from this, I bet the folks at DreamWorks just wanted something to do.
[...]
What are you expecting them to say? >We made a huge mistake with the Chelsea twist. As the writers of Ruby Gillman, we hereby declare the last fifteen minutes of the movie to be NOT CANON. Ruby and Chelsea stay super seagirl besties, undo the generational racism between their species, and have lesbian interspecies monster girl sex after going to prom together.
They'll only ever double down on their bad decisions. Even if they know how much they fricked up, it's better from a business perspective to just double down and hope it pays off.
Yeah, the thing is DreamWorks can simply leave the Chelbygays alone and let them fight among themselves or scream at the void. Nothing's on the line here for the company.
I know meddling is looked down on but do marketing departments see the movie being developed or are they given the final product and are told "Sell it"?
I'm still curious on if it was made before or after the trailer dropped
How long does it take to make 10 seconds of CGI animation without the actual VAs?
i cant believe ive been sleeping on just about the funniest cope-train on the internet ever since the movie released. only now ive come to learn about the dedicated ruby gillman community on Cinemaphile and i am impressed, really. i wish i could have been part of it. also heres a drawing i made in about five seconds.
It really is a unique experience. Usually coping make sense such as a shitty sequel to an acclaimed movie, but Ruby truly is unique in regards to the cope exclusive here on Cinemaphile about the wasted potential that most people wouldn't even bother to dig through.
ill throw in my own bit of copium, maybe this will be a puss in boots kind of situation. first movie is meh, then they hit it out the park with a phenomenal sequel nobody asked for.
Puss in Boots 1 didn't bomb or have jarringly bad writing resulting in botching so many tropes like false friendships, evil races, embracing one's self, etc and not understanding how those tropes could even work and what not to do when handling those
You have to understand
Ruby isn't just a bomb
It's not just a film that underperformed or couldn't make back 2-2.5× the budget
No, it's DreamWorks BIGGEST bomb, worse than fricking Sinbad
It's going to beat Spirit Untamed when it comes out in Australia sure but that's like beating someone at the special olympics
10 months ago
Anonymous
id say its all the more reason to give it a second try, but from how you guys talk about it it really seems unfixable with the whole genocide thing
10 months ago
Anonymous
Making Chelsea and Nerissa the same person was poorly thought out and makes the world a lot more fricked than intended
It implies the Krakens waged war (and even killed) against a race of perpetual teenage girls
People have come up with ideas of follow ups or retcons though
Both within and outside of Cinemaphile
The movie has these glimpses of something a lot more interesting that goes beyond what was advertised but those moments are never followed up through >Agatha sparing the mermaids hints that it's not a black and white conflict and that she defied Grandmamah's bloodlust?
Nope, she hates mermaids like her mom
She just doesn't want to fight anymore >Brill calling Grandmamah a warlord and Agatha saying she only fights because she wants to fight implying the whole "ocean's protector" stuff is a load of crap?
Nope, we're still expected to buy into it despite no concrete proof and actual evidence going AGAINST that >Ruby and Chelsea befriending each other despite the latter becoming the antagonist suggesting themes of revenge, friendship, and defining the future to make up for the past while giving one of the most potentially nuanced sympathetic villains in animated movies in recent memory?
Do I even have to say it?
This movie is mostly seen as mediocre, predictable, forgettable shlock
It's when you actually think about the plot for longer than 10 minutes, realize the fricked up moral and world building implications, see where this movie could have gone, and learn about the original story details that's when it really grabs you
The movie wants to be about the reconciliation of three generations of women but like, Ruby didn't give a flying frick about it
She didn't give a rats ass about her mom and grandma potentially making up
Nobody gave a flying frick about it
Why should the audience?
They just mended things after Nerissa's defeated and just settled Ruby as if it was a custody battle on how she should be raised without her actual input
Ruby already had a goal after achieving her need thanks to her friendship with Chelsea
That goal was ending a fricking racewar and daring to have sympathy for the species of her new friend (who again, saved her life) after she was told to hate after finding out they've been forced into hiding
So....the krakens really did wage war, slaughter, and drove into a hiding a race of perpetual teenage girls
At least this weighs against Chelsea being mentally an adult
>consumed by her destiny
Except Ruby is consumed by that as well
She tries to fight destiny because she thinks continuing a generational interspecies conflict is stupid and is made a fool to even think so
She's not what she wants to be, she's what her family and "destiny" wants and is conformed into that and sacrifices her own beliefs as a result
Frick the "call"
I hate the "call"
It is the real villain of the movie
It's the worst implementation of themes like fate, destiny, and being yourself I've seen in a long time
There are characters like Wreck-it-Ralph and Jack Skellington who try to defy what they're seemingly stuck with as themselves and have to love what they're basically stuck with and let go of what they'll never be or achieve
The difference is that those two were in a midlife crisis over their dead-end jobs
Ralph didn't need validation as a "hero" through some dumb medal, he just needed to finally be appreciated for the contributions he brought as himself
Jack didn't need to hijack someone else's holiday, he just needed to rekindle his love for his lifelong passion through some new inspiration
Both characters acted in a way that was objectively selfish and short-sighted
Ruby tried to end a fricking racewar and avoid being what is essentially being drafted
She saw the status quo as a load of bs and wanted to help someone out of compassion over blindly believing notions toward an entire race of beings and letting the action of the invididual she knew speak for herself
This isn't her embracing who she is, this is her letting herself to be defined by societal expectations and accepting she never truly had an option in the matter cause fricking destiny said so, this is like if Remy just accepted he's a rat and will never be a cook or if the Iron Giant just accepted he'll never be nothing but a "gun"
This is pretty interesting. They wanted Chelsea to genuinely relate to Ruby, to be motivated by an obsessive drive to get revenge (probably a leftover from when she was Nerissa's daughter), and they also wanted Grandma to be more morally questionable. It almost reminds me of some of the posts from this board. But none of that is shown in the film. It was just "GOTCHA, I'm actually just pure evil", and Grandma plainly being proven right.
I wonder what happened which caused the movie to end up how it did.
>Be orphaned >Lose birthright >Spend most life alone
Yeah no fricking shit she'd be consumed with wanting revenge
What could have followed is if friendship and love prevails
Someone's Chelby art playing this for humor captures this dynamic
Her love for Ruby's friendship outweighs her hatred for her family and it's what helps defeat Chelsea or redeems her after her defeat
That's what makes Ruby different
That's what makes her stronger in her own right
Some people ITT are fully on the "THIS WAS DELIBERATE REEEEEEEEEE" part of the copetrain when it's clear from what staff have told people when prompted that they had good ideas and a coherent plot they wanted to put it in, but the movie got absolutely gangraped by executives.
I hope someone makes a rewrite fanfic/comic and shows it to the staff, and that the show becomes a reality.
They're both vain and extremely popular, but Regina George was more overtly mean, two-faced and elitist from the viewer's perspective. Chelsea didn't seem to have that problem until the twist.
>Chelsea didn't seem to have that problem until the twist.
And after that the movie had already dropped high school as the setting so she wasn't even a proper alpha b***h
>Immigrant story with fantasy creatures in the human world >One of the parents is a veteran of war and left their life for a better one >The consequence of their old life comes back to haunt them starting with a friendship with the child of the family
Any stories like this?
Any?
Cause this is unironically is something I'd watch/read
Grandmamah was more worried about Kraken Royals getting it on with a race of eternal teenage girls. Imagine having an immortal ruler with the mind of a teen.
Overall no. There's bits and pieces which is why it lives rent free in Cinemaphiles mind. The positives I can give is that Ruby and the Gillmans are generally likable characters, has decent animation with a cool bio-luminescent vibe for underwater, and has certain enjoyable scenes. Rest of the plot is a complete trainwreck.
They could easily confirm what Grandmamah said as true but the fact that intentional or not, that there's actually room for her to be bullshitting opens a door for a potentially more interesting plot
Since the mermaids are in hiding, what happens to them if they're found? I mean the answer is pretty obvious but what do the writers think happens to them if they're found?
hebephilia kraken
The other thread isn't even cold yet
cold in what?
The ground
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31:57
>He got the job shortly after Vivo came out (August 2021 is when the direction change happened)
>He got a call from DreamWorks telling him about this change and being asked to do it
>He was allured to it by the potential multi-generational story with "super strong female characters" and being a fan of kaiju movies
>About 18 months to get it finished in time
>So it got finished at March 2023, same month the first trailer dropped
>Interviewer says she loved how Ruby and Agatha were handled, Ruby's not a moody teenager and Agatha's not a nagger
>Kirk brings up the Lighthouse Scene and how it highlights why the two how a solid mother/daughter relationship
>They discuss the designs and aesthetics underwater
>A certain set was already done before he arrived
>Surface stuff was largely the same
>Underwater stuff was more defined after he became director
>Grandmamah did NOT have as many scenes so they made sure to have her in the prom scene
>There was an emphasis on scale for the final movie
>Discusses how Ruby's growth is based on not having to afraid of being a kraken and accepting it
>Chelsea discussion happens at 40:55
>Interviewer brings up the Ariel comparison
>Kirk says she was made before he got there
>The writers original pitch script was made in 2015, the live action Little Mermaid
>Says when he got involved it was right after Luca and insisted the film they were doing/gonna do would be different enough
>Nine months in, Turning Red happens and he notices the similar beats
>Acknowledges the comparisons but it was unintended
>Says marketing doubled down on the mermaid vs kraken stuff
>Thought it was really cool to make Chelsea a "Mean Girl" character with "a greater plan"
>42:53 "It was a great twist, I mean know it was given away"
>"The idea was that she would come in and she was putting on an act". "She isn't really her" "She'd be what you expect all the kids would fall in love with"
>"So that was kind of fun"
>"It was a great twist, I mean know it was given away"
This pretty much confirms the theory that the marketing department spoiled the twist against the Ruby Gillman team's wishes because they understood how bad it was.
They still have Annie Murphy voicing dialogue that wasn't in the final film so either they had her voice lines exclusively for the trailer or they used audio that was cut from the final film where Chelsea was more blatantly antagonistic
Did they really change the thing because of the fricking voice actor without taking into account how it affects the entire story? Isn't that like writer 101
We don't know
We know VAs can influence direction of characters if it makes for a better movie that uses the talent at their best like how John Mulaney's performance practically redefined Jack Horner from being a more serious, one-note villain to being a star attraction
I think Kirk discusses the marketing in that other interview that keeps getting posted about whether he was aware of it spoiling the twist or not
>Marketing departament more competent than actual writers
Will this person and the writing team still get jobs just as easily, or will the writing decisions and severe financial failure be harmful for their careers?
It'll probably result in them moving onto smaller projects but it won't kill their careers entirely like Delgo
Even Peter Sohn got to direct a movie again after the Good Dinosaur
It just took 8 years
There are so many writers in the industry, I think people are chosen based on criteria other than talent, like networking etc
More Teenage Kraken Thread, this is like the biggest thing, since the Dragon Ball Super threads have been showing up. With new facts, and even details about the characters.
>Dissolving threads getting slower and slower
>Hitting an information drought
>Biggest thing
You're a moron PiratePon
>biggest thing
How
It's been over two months and we didn't get the commentary yet after the digital release
Take a break mate
And now, we’re in three months to be exact.
The movie came out in the annecy at June 15
It's not even September yet you moronic tard
So who would want to talk about, Chelsea or Ruby, or even their boyfriends, Kevin and Connor.
Nobody likes the grubhubians you inbred grubhubian filth
Shut the frick up you diseased waste of oxygen
Do everyone a favor and drink bleach, it'd be the one act done by you that would actually make people happier
Ugly and disgusting
She is not ugly. She is warm and beautiful.
Squids are cold blooded
Literally cold and ugly
KILL ALL GRUBHUBIANS
What’s with the mop thing?
I dunno
Always have anger issues.
>Ruby and her mother always can handle it.
I can't tell if after all these years you either stayed the same level of dumb or somehow became even dumber
I think this movie could've benefited from having an ensemble cast and a more adventurous plot. Not full-on Aquaman, maybe something more akin to an underwater Goonies or maybe even an underwater Dark Crystal where the team has to travel to find a lost macguffin. Plus you could have a lot more fun with underwater cryptids/mythical creatures who join the odd couple of Ruby and Chelsea.
>Ruby (Kraken)
>Chelsea (Mermaid)
>Quiet girl Selkie
>A nerd-jock Finman
>A himbo Grindylow/Grendel
>A hippocamp or loch ness monster for the team's Appa
And the villain is Cthulu or something idk.
That sounds more like something for a series the same way the newest KFP retains only Po and his dad while making the party consist of new original characters and not the Furious Five and Shifu for some reason
I mean, kids like action and adventure. In retrospect it's questionable why Dreamworks didn't just do "The Last Wish Underwater" for this movie.
This movie was in development for years so they wouldn't have known The Last Wish would have been such a success critically
Even for KFP 4.
If there are drawfriends lurking about these threads, could I request a picture or two of Chelsea being surrounded by her adoring fans and looking seemingly happy, but upon closer inspection, she's actually completely sad and empty and feeling so alone, plz?
Now Ruby, just because someone looks different than you or thinks differently than you, doesn't mean you should be afraid of them. It means you should be ANGRY at them. How dare they be different?! What, my way of life ain't good enough for 'em?!
They should have made her a black woman and ticket sales would have soared
>They should have made her a black woman
This would've scared Piratepon away, at least...
Episode idea: the Lambton eel.
Shes expected to chase around a tiny fast little fish monster around her highschool and destroy it. For teenage girl reasons, shes been shirking her responsibilities as a kraken and keeps putting it off. It eventually escapes into a drain and she forgets about it. It comes back bigger and stronger and now she learns a lesson about procrastination.
Im sure this plot has been done in other cartoons but i like that the eel can be litteral in this fish themed setting.
*teenage krackhead
It's time to let go, man
Eventually there won't be daily threads anymore. But there will be at least one per month for eternity. It'll be one of those types of things.
Same
I don't think I can ever let go, my seethe is eternal. But yeah we're finally running out of talking points I think. I can never be sure though since these threads have been going on as long as they have.
The most annoying part is that they're unaware of their own mistakes somehow
Look on the bright side, DreamWorks only rarely has consistent teams on board for the franchises
I think the closest we got is HTTYD maintaining the same director across all the films and KFP retaining the screenwriters
RubyJoker-Anon here with delivery.
Did i make it? Is it too late?
tbh I kept making these threads to deliver the request I've been completing from previous threads .
I've been here since the very firsts ones, back to when the movie premiered.
If this one dies I'll just post them on the general drawthread and move on.
This'll be the last thread I create.
Thank you so much for your contributions
Nice. Thanks for keeping your word drawanon. Crazy two months huh?
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/138257053/#138269830
Hey Fishermen,
My name is Ruby, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, moronic, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass theories. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on Facebook.
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I'm a proud mathlete, and can turn into a giant fricking Kaiju-like monster. What clubs are you into?, other than the "always begging like a moron for a fanart of a ship between a rando and my Chelsea making out club"? I also get straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all homosexuals who should just have a nice day. Thanks for listening.
Pic Related: It's me and my b***h
Good ending
So did nobody upload the deleted scenes that came with the digital release?
Not even Bullyguire did it yet
But soon on the 26.
>check twitter for RGTK fanart
>ESL artist murdering the language
>autismo deluding herself Chelsea is manipulating an entire nation (???)
Is it krakovever?
>>ESL artist murdering the language
Their art is cute so I don't mind
>autismo deluding herself Chelsea is manipulating an entire nation (???)
Eh, even this movie would have defenders like that
People have the right to their own opinion
>Is it krakovever?
The box office disaster didn't spell it out already?
All we need is a director confirmation that Chelsea is mentally an adult
It never even began
Just smile Ruby.
What's he playing gillbros?
Fortnite
Skibidi toilet lore videos
I only care about knockoff Ariel
Completely acceptable, Chelsea is probably the most appealing looking character in this movie, and the movie itself deserves nothing but being trashed over and over.
RGTK fans are actually Chelby fans, and most fanworks go around fanon instead of the shit we are supposed to accept as canon.
Reject canon when it's shit and replace it with your own.
>Chelsea is probably the most appealing looking character in this movie
She also has an actual fleshed out personality (well before the last 15 minutes) unlike the Grubhubians
>unlike the Grubhubians
i swear this movie's staff think people will sympathize with the grubhubians just by virtue they're Ruby's friends. No, you need to make your characters, well, actual characters, not archetypes, not a bunch of generic tropes. Connor is literally the opposite of a character, it's just a(n ugly ass) plot device, serving just as Ruby's motivations. But guess what, viewers resonate more with Chelsea, i wonder why? Ah yes, 'cause Chelsea is an actual character.
The thing about false friendship vs true friendship stories is that it's "want vs need"
The problem is that Chelsea IS the "need"
The friendship they had is what finally made Ruby accept who she was as a Kraken
The Grubhubians do fricking nothing to make their friendship with Ruby more genuine than Chelsea's besides "lol we just accept you" which feels hollow because EVERYONE accepts Ruby anyways
Almost anything bad you can say about Chelsea's friendship with Ruby (before the Nerissa twist) can be applied to them
They encouraged Ruby to lie to her mother just to attend Prom, were going to attend Prom without her anyways even if it would devastate Ruby, and their advice to help Ruby ask out Quandale Dingle was awful
I've brought up the Anya's Ghost comparisons before and I'll do it again here
Siobhan represents the "need",
Emily represented the "want"
Siobhan was the one who told Anya the honest bitter truth that her crush was a piece of shit even if telling her that broke them apart
Emily was the one who encouraged her to go for it even after Anya lost all interest after finding out yes her crush IS a piece of shit
Siobhan and Anya reconciling feels actually earned as a result because you know despite her flaws, Siobhan really does care for Anya in a way Emily could never
I just realized the grubhubians represent "want" more
Ruby wanted to be "normal" to attend prom with them but after she learns to love herself thanks to Chelsea, she stops caring about prom because that no longer mattered now that she got what she needed thanks to Chelsea
Does these people even know how to actually write basic ass conflicts!?
i swear i keep finding/learning new ways to invalidate everything this movie tried to be.
This movie is like Balan Wonderworld, a shit ton of wasted potential in the hands of incompetent people who should NOT be doing shit in the entertaining industry.
Why should the audience care about the prom dance when Ruby herself stopped giving a shit and resolving the mermaid/kraken race war is more interesting?
Fricking Wendy Wu had the titular character never stop obsessing over Homecoming but still let go of it after realizing some things were more important
It's interesting to see how the film basically created two separate film plotlines that really don't relate to each other. One revolving around Ruby's human life with her friends and crush where she's afraid about being exposed as a kraken and the other revolving around Ruby's royal role in the forever conflict between krakens and other sea creatures alongside Chelsea where she's afraid of the burden and responsibility it entails. The second ends up overshadowing the first only to snap back to the original right at the end.
>The second ends up overshadowing the first only to snap back to the original right at the end.
They wanted to segway from a high school story with slice of life problems to an epic superhero origin
The problem is the lack of cohesion or thematic weight that ties everything together
Ruby doesn't achieve her need at the end, she achieves it when the movie still has about 30 minutes left with her new goal of wanting to avoid what is basically her being drafted into future race wars being proven unattainable
May be beating a dead seahorse at this point, but another idea for a potential fix would be for Chelsea to make several mentions of her mother making ridiculous demands of her to Ruby to vent (normal teenager stuff, like curfew, keeping out of trouble, school work, etc.). When Chelsea gets the trident and betrays Ruby, she'll mention (in a sorrowful, regretful tone) that her mother demanded it.
In the climax of their fight, Ruby will try and get Chelsea to stand up to her mother and stop the fighting (much like how she doesn't always agree with her mother and opposes her grandmother's racist ways), but Chelsea can't do that...
...because her mother is dead.
Because she can't actually stand up to her mother like how Ruby can, Chelsea will feel obligated to carry out her mother's revenge plot, and not doing so would make her feel like she's letting everyone down. This will further cement to Ruby that she and Chelsea are more alike than they realize.
That's really fricking dark
I like it
Ok, I saw the movie this week and I have to ask, any chance of this getting a show? Considering how DreamWorks makes shows of nearly everything, what are the chances Ruby has?
Every original DreamWorks IP since The Croods has gotten a show
Problem is, Ruby's not just A flop
It's THE flop for DreamWorks (granted Australia is probably gonna make it beat Spirit Untamed soon but outranking a cheap animated movie loosely based on a spin-off series based on an old animated movie all while released during the pandemic doesn't sound any better)
>Problem is, Ruby's not just A flop
>It's THE flop
Damn, I never knew Ruby did that bad.
We shouldn't hope for a series unless they'll use a new writing team which will undo the mistakes made by the movie team.
DreamWorks probably wasn't expecting how popular Chelsea (and her chemistry with Ruby) would have ended up being
I think whether or not that promotional trident short was made was a reaction to that is an indicator of where she'd stand regardless of what Industry Anon said
Granmamah stronk.
What's her diet?
Mermaid bones and flesh
But all the mermaids are in hiding
How many finbacks did she kill to still maintain that diet?
>We must secure the existence of our people and a future for kraken children
She just needs hate symbols as tattoos on her strong arms.
She´s right.
Grandmamah is cool and always right.
Agatha implied she was spouting bs about protecting the ocean
Yes, because it is her duty as a Warrior!
She's literally doing it for fun
No, it’s her duty to protect her family.
Brill calls her a warlord
I like the storyboard because it contrasts the theme of mother daughter relationships, and shows how the lack of it can lead to Chelsea
We've said this since the beginning
Chelsea could've worked as a foil to Ruby because she lacks what Ruby has despite her insecurities, a family that loves her and that lack would explain her more troubling behavior and actions whether it'd be delinquency or seeking revenge
I'm still curious if concept art of Chelsea even having a family exists
>I'm still curious if concept art of Chelsea even having a family exists
This is the closest thing, as far I know.
I meant way back during the early production months possibly before there was even a race war
Are there any examples of a evil for the sake of evil twist villain that work?
More like a villain with a twist rather than a twist villain but
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Mirage Baxter Stockman?
He admits he's evil because it's fun but then again he was still an antagonist in the comic he debuted him simply for being the one who made the Mousers
Chelsea is extremely naked, now all she wants is a boy or girl, to have sex with.
Hire a hooker already you obnoxious homosexual
>Fish butcher Ruby Gillman
It's funny because in earlier versions she could communicate with all forms of marine life and a fish market horrified her
I see why they cut that out, that's pinnichio levels dark
Her friends would've actually accomplished something
Cinemaphile theorized it was dropped because it just muddled things up
It's good for letting us know Ruby's a compassionate person who does care for marine life but it also begs the question on what the frick does this even lead to?
How does this connect with what the film is making its actual focus and how does it get resolved?
https://twitter.com/Rodrigo64754707/status/1697497405627789417?t=J1XQvF67pqOm1-l-4S6C1w&s=19
A bit of a weird comic but kinda cute
>Bendy crossover
huh
Will Nerissa ever be loved again?
Only if you stop posting PiratePon
Frick Nerissa I want Chelsea
Was Ruby even looking at her here? I forgot
She was, that was her reaction to seeing Ruby as a giant kraken walking on land
Misread your post
Nevermind
>Was Ruby
no, she didn't even know Chelsea was there at first, only AFTER that scene Ruby noticed Chelsea
I love you, let's go to the ocean
Where we can be free
Live your life now go through the motions
Live your life for me
I'll teach you how to swim,
Don't worry, we both can win
If we try our best
And give our all
>Are you okay? You really look like you have been through some thing
this is considered toxic manipulation by some people
Some women said Hans gave off Narcisistic manipulator vibes even though that shit was added in the last draft, I think it's more of a placing your personal trauma onto a character
Actually, Hans was always gonna be the twist villain even back when Elsa was gonna initially be the main villain
>Frozen went through many different iterations, but here are some common elements from some of the early drafts: Frozen was to open with a prophecy that "a ruler with a frozen heart will bring destruction to the kingdom of Arendelle." We're then introduced to Anna, our pure-hearted heroine, and Elsa, an unrelated evil Snow Queen. We learn Elsa is a scorned woman; she was stood up at the altar on her wedding day and froze her own heart so she would never love again. Both Elsa and the audience assume she's the villain from the prophecy. Fast-forward to the final act: Elsa creates an army of snow monsters to attack our heroes while Kristoff has "a Han Solo moment" and comes to help Anna. To halt Elsa's attacking army, the two-faced Prince Hans triggers a massive avalanche—not caring that the avalanche also puts Anna, Elsa, and all of Arendelle in jeopardy. Anna realizes Elsa is their only hope, so she convinces her to use her powers to save the kingdom. The twist is that the prophecy from the beginning is actually not about Elsa, but about Hans—he's the one with a metaphorical frozen heart because he's an unfeeling sociopath. Elsa's heart is then unfrozen allowing her to love again.
https://ew.com/movies/2017/03/29/frozen-original-ending/
>but about Hans—he's the one with a metaphorical frozen heart because he's an unfeeling sociopath
Wow, to think Frozen used to be even more moronic. That makes the severe downgrade that was Frozen 2 not so shocking anymore.
>I think it's more of a placing your personal trauma onto a character
I think it's less that, and more a simple case of Hindsight bias. They have seen the trailer and probably the movie and thus know she is evil, that's why they know it was (super badly written) "manipulation". Without that hindsight, I can guarantee you, almost no one would have called it manipulation, and the only people who would have are the ones that have seen Chelseas narcissistic scenes first before the friendship scenes, and thus had confirmation bias from that. (Because anyone who dares to call themselves beautiful must be evil)
Ah shit
This is so not like them. Chelsea would be choosing something else, like Rando, when she point at him.
>piratepon/dressguy self projecting into the ugliest people in recent fiction
This says a lot about the (lack of) mental health of this massive Black personhomosexual.
For that, they are cutout pictures. And it remix them.
Do you think Ruby Gillman has their own version of AI presidents playing minecraft and shit? But it's Grandma Nerissa and whoever the frick else is there
why is Chelsea so buff
What is Ruby not wanting to be found out as a giant kraken supposed to be an allegory for? It can literally work for almost anything
I wonder how the public would have reacted to the realisation that Chelsea is as old as Ruby's mom had they not spoiled the twist
Cute couple
Now that is a real true couple,
Ruby and Connor.
Ruby Guby: Tuby Kruby
Why does she look so squeezable?
Because she is.
She always wanted to kiss her.
>Why does she look so squeezable?
She canonically has no skeleton.
Even better
The Ms. Cinemaphile tournament is coming up later today. Can anyone make OC of Ruby asking people to vote for her?
Nobody saw her movie
But now there have, on digital on demand, if you want to see it.
If anything, Chelsea has more chances. But yeah, no much people cares about RGTK outside this niche.
Yet no one's nominated her yet.
Cute
Honestly they rock the look
Especially Ruby wearing Terry's outfit
How many fricking scenes are there where she has a Hans Smile while Ruby isn't looking at her
Maybe about 4 time.
noodle arms
There may still be a chance?
Chicken Run is actually good
What could be considered the inciting incident of this movie?
Ruby transforming into a giant kraken
Brill
And Chelsea is Nerissa!
You don't even know what an Inciting Incident even is
Of course I do, it’s Chelsea Van Der Zee herself.
Nice, outfits for sleepovers.
Could you haven’t seen Quest for Camelot yet.
>the daughter of your mortal enemy is so cute you can't help but fall in love with her
>Same applies to your mom's archenemy
>Elementals reportedly getting a Disney+ Show
What went wrong Rubysisters? Was the romance in Elementals that much superior to Ruby x Connor?
Clod
Well yes but I don't know what the frick they'll do with an Elemental show. Ruby has far more interesting potential for lore and a show to go with it.
>Well yes but I don't know what the frick they'll do with an Elemental show.
Original plan for the movie was to end it with the main couple having a child. Show will probably be about that and more racism.
Post Marissa.
(1/2)
(2/2)
>all a lie
So even her moment post-defeat was just acting?
This SUUUUUUUUUCKS
>feel personal
Imagine if this scene had Inigo reveal he was his father this whole time because they wanted it to be "more personal"
They really didn't know what story they were writing.
>Chelsea's plan became even crueler (really preying on Ruby's vulnerability to get to her mom)
Chelsea actively avoided Agatha. The only thing she wanted was the trident. Hell, even after she got the trident, Chelsea didn't go after Agatha. She just became a big dumb final boss fight.
This. Fusing Nerissa and Chelsea didn't improve the character(s), quite the opposite, her motives became weaker, her characterization became duller, and the whole movie ended falling apart mostly 'cause this stupid decision. i unironically hope the directors know this, i wish they learned about how stupid their "subversive" decision was.
It still would've had the unintended "racism good" message but making Chelsea and Nerissa the same person actually makes it even worse
Had the two remained separate you could at least show Ruby's compassion and sympathy regardless of what Chelsea tried to do as an example of her NOT being like her mom and grandma which would make the story more empowering for a character like her
>It still would've had the unintended "racism good" message
Yep, that's why i said mostly. i'm still baffled a modern animated kids movie went that route unironically.
The only way to fix this was defying Grandmamah's view instead of reinforcing it. And guess what, making Chelsea and Nerissa different characters would've helped for that. Chelsea's actions would've had actual motivations (and linked to past actions motivated by racism), and not just based inherently in her race.
Buuuuuut the krakens can't do wrong, they have no blood in their tentacles if their actions are the right ones, right?
The least empowering thing to have in your movie about youth empowerment, is proving the adults right over issues like this
Ruby's character peaked when she befriended Chelsea and strove to make things different
Her character actually degraded now she's a reflection of the adults' desires rather than her own
i detest how this movie pretends Ruby grew as person when she did the opposite objectively.
>You have no choice regarding your future
>It's all built on your family's compromises rather than your own
>Peace is a lie, the status quo will stay the same, conflict is inevitable and you must embrace and participate in it as your birthright
>You cannot choose who you want to be friends with, they have to be approved by your parents
>Not over their own actions but rather because of who they were born as because people can just be born collectively inherently evil over matters they have no control over
>Remember kids, be yourself*
>*as decided by how other people want you to be
There are Avatar Press comics less cynical than this
now i think about it, yeah, what's supposed to be the moral here? Like, what's the core reason you are telling this story? What do you want to tell us?
This is a genuine question, 'cause none of the morals they insist they put on this movie are actually here, this movie is so fundamentally incompetent i can't think in any justification of its existence on its current form.
Your audiovisual product requires a reason to be. What's RGTK's reason? Money laundering? Tax redux?
>now i think about it, yeah, what's supposed to be the moral here?
Be yourself and family shouldn't hide secrets
>Be yourself
Ruby isn't herself at the end of the movie, but a reflection of Grandmamah's (questionable) morals
>family shouldn't hide secrets
And you want the audience to trust Grandmamah? This would be a good moral if GRANDMAMAH WASN'T A GENOCIDAL WARLORD, you know, the kind of person a parent, as Agatha, would try to drift away and lie about her existence to their children.
More like, you shouldn't hide secrets over stuff like why you're not allowed to go certain places or your heritage or so on so forth
Again, this doesn't work when applicability is a thing, when your lesser problems are contrasted to bigger problems in the very same movie. If you're gonna write a conflict, don't add a bigger conflict nullifying the previous one, and therefore reducing your moral to complete bullshit.
Yeah, I don't think people watching this movie blind actually wanted Grandmamah to be proven right
>now i think about it, yeah, what's supposed to be the moral here?
Probably just "trust your elders" or something along those lines.
It feels like the original writers wanted to go in a direction where Nerissa and Chelsea were different characters, which would lead the whole movie plot more towards a "generational conflict" where the kids eventually get along and realize "maybe grandmas racism is wrong."
But then it feels like an executive came into the board room at some point and said:
> Oh hey, so we're pitching this idea of making a Ruby Gillman series. It's gonna be a Monster Of The Week show, and Ruby uses her Kaiju powers to save the town. The villains are always bad and Krakens are good. So you gotta rewrite the movie script so that the ending ties into the series."
So then every major script change was basically trying to retrofit this mandate into the movie without totally killing their original idea. And what you end up with is a conflicting mess, because Chelsea now needs to be irredeemable, and Ruby now needs to be a Super Hero instead of a slice of life "fish out of water" character.
The writers probably didn't have time to do a full rewrite, and like 35% of the movie was already likely storyboarded and animated so... They couldn't just make a new script and start from scratch... instead had to work with what they had and contort the unfinished scenes into the new direction.
I kind of want to write a story where this is actually presented as a bad thing
I fricking hate the "call"
It is the worst implementation of destiny as a trope I've seen that doesn't revolve around romance
Again, I think even marketers knew it if they were the ones who went for the trident promo but it was too late so they never had a conversation going "WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU MEAN THE MERMAID IS EVIL"
If Chelsea and Nerissa were separate, it would actually challenge the status quo
That maybe this cycle of violence is bad
That the world isn't black and white as it seems
That Agatha had a reason to protect Ruby from a life similar to Chelsea's and it makes her leaving for life among humans carry more weight
But by making them the same person, nobody gets to question this because it conveniently erases "Are mermaids inherently evil?"
In fact, they embrace the status quo
Ruby is essentially drafted with zero choice in the matter because of some stupid "call" bs
https://twitter.com/Antennacosplays/status/1697754854418997292
i HATE the people replying at this like "oh it makes sense" NO IT DOES NOT, THIS IS COMPLETE moronATION.
People are allowed to have dumb opinions
Doesn't outweigh the people who agree the twist was moronic
I'm sure there were people who thought Lightyear's story wasn't dumb, more power to them
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Well, that settles it.
It's all over.
Technically doesn't confirm she's mentally an adult but...yeah
What are you expecting them to say?
>We made a huge mistake with the Chelsea twist. As the writers of Ruby Gillman, we hereby declare the last fifteen minutes of the movie to be NOT CANON. Ruby and Chelsea stay super seagirl besties, undo the generational racism between their species, and have lesbian interspecies monster girl sex after going to prom together.
They'll only ever double down on their bad decisions. Even if they know how much they fricked up, it's better from a business perspective to just double down and hope it pays off.
Honestly, I didn't think they'd outright admit they fricked up but I still dislike any further confirmation that Chelsea ISN'T mentally a teenager because it makes one of the few enjoyable moments in the film harder to enjoy in retrospect
Granted, it still keeps things vague enough to have wiggle room to suggest while "Chelsea" as a persona is a lie she can still be mentally a teen matching her looks
I mean zero disrespect to the people involved and that they can have steady careers but if RGTK does a continuation, I hope they aren't involved in the writing and the more negative feedback surrounding the twist (as well as the gaping holes of logic and world building the decision caused) is taken into consideration
There's nothing the writers or director can possibly say that will change the fact that they're moronic.
where does it say anything involving her not being mentally a teenager?
The part where the Chelsea persona is all a lie
And? acting out a persona and still being mentally a teenager aren't mutually exclusive.
i want this person to be fired from the entertaining industry, and i want this person to know she's a fricking moron.
Calm down Enter
I hate the twist too but it's just a cartoon
>but it's just a cartoon
leave Cinemaphile now, Black person.
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Part of me wonders what story they actually think they told
Girl boss
>director says Ruby and Cheslea gave a nuanced relationship
>co director says opposite
This is so hilariously incompetent
What's with the raging disparity between writers in animation and animators?
Chelsea is so hot, cause she wear that floating bra thank.
OOOOOOooooooooOooooOoOOooOooooohhhhhhhHHhhHHhHhhHHhHhhHh I gonna coom, CHELSEA!!!!!!!!!!
Code: Let’s dance.
I wish Chelsea could dance on a pole, doing a dancing pose with her regular outfit.
If they met again, in the sequel, then it will be Chelsea again.
I know I'm replying to PiratePon but frick it
Her absence would be weird since she's just imprisoned and her being royalty means any new potential mermaid not addressing her presence in the town as a prisoner would be weird
Granted, Industry Anon was right that the Chelsea we love and know is never coming back regardless
One of these days someone's gonna make a video titled "The Existential Nightmare of Ruby Gillman"
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Nice W.I.P art for Ruby.
Did these people watch a different movie? The fricking director himself said the mermaids are in hiding, but that makes me wonder, what does the director think the mermaids are hiding from?
>Hello.I am Chelsea Van Der Zee. You killed my mother. Prepare to die
>Agatha defying the "call" and not killing all the mermaids is retroactively proven to be a bad thing
>Making Chelsea Nerissa confirms she did kill actual Royal Kraken
>Ruby embraces the "call" and inherits the race war
>Ruby spares Nerissa even though not killing finbacks is an act against the "call" and is what got them in this mess in the long run
???????????????
Ruby Gillman 2, the "call" is revealed to be a Lovecraftian abomination that messes with reality to determine the fate and actions of marine life to maintain an eternity of war and suffering for its own amusement
Connor is the personification of the call
A but unrelated but read Anyas ghost like some anon recommended, wtf was up with the popular girl why is she a cuck? And I can kind of see the similarities between this and RGTK
>wtf was up with the popular girl why is she a cuck?
She was afraid of breaking up and facing the truth that her boyfriend was a horrible person
That and/or she made the fatal mistake of "I can fix him"
>she made the fatal mistake of "I can fix him"
So many cases...
Anyways, how would you fix this movie? ,':^)
The 3rd act, give Chelsea an actual reason for betraying Ruby
>Anyways, how would you fix this movie? ,':^)
Find a way where the movie's moral can't be misconstrued as "Your parent's racism will keep you safe"
Bussin' was painful to watch
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Do they actively want us to hate them or something? Is the entire movie just a giant social experiment?
>Is the entire movie just a giant social experiment?
Probably. A very expensive one, on top of that.
As if the movies "how do you do fellow cool kids" wasn't painful enough to watch?
Is there a part 2 to this? https://youtu.be/r0yeK5x0ERI?si=ZnteluwVxLBQMOxA
The problem with implying Ruby is different by being a protector is that it reinforces what Grandamamah said to be complete bullshit
They really preferred writing Chelsea as a mustache twirling villain no matter what. But yeah, I do wonder what the end point for the fight was under the water that time.
Already seen that.
Wait the writers think they wrote Chelsea as a master manipulator Regina George type of shit?
Yep
The writers are fricking delusional.
>Nerissa she's 16!
Being like a mature mermaid, can be tough sometime.
>evil immortal mermaid queen
They were going for a fricking dark lord weren't they?
she dosen't look that dark
Not making Ruby and Chelsea lesbians will always be this movies undoing.
Eh, not even that, just keeping Ruby and Chelsea as friends would've been enough... Just that would've defied the status quo, just doing that would've helped Ruby to actually grow as person, just doing that would've gave the audience an actual moral and reason to watch and recommend this movie to others.
But doing the bare minimum was too much for these incompetent people.
NOBODY LEARNS
NOBODY QUESTIONS
THE STATUS QUO WILL REMAIN AND RUBY WILL CONTINUE IT WHETHER SHE LIKES IT OR NOT
The fanfics of this movie are better written than the movie itself somehow what the frick
We're the autistic version of saltierthankrayt
https://twitter.com/Gayllman/status/1697418843302309894?t=SEzlG2sRizkVB8ofx3OZsA&s=19
Gordon'd again https://twitter.com/differland_/status/1698007849279029397?t=Qf__k8siqk6REIeFUU_Uig&s=19
Well, it's consensual here
>paywall
suck a wiener, time to look for a leak.
If you think about it, Nerissa could represent fighting back against your oppressors who genocided you through violence , like Magneto. And thus turning her into a mustache twirler demonizes this approach
But Anon, Grandmamah is supposed to be a likable character
We're supposed to root and be glad that her prejudices were proven legit
Strawmaning the other side when they get genocided is about as stupid as you can get in terms of storytelling
The directors commentary will be so groundbreakingly moronic it will actually hurt to listen
ESL artist art is cute but dear heavens is this unintelligible
I have to wonder, what even is her native language?
Korean, so I guess that explains all the butchering, also makes me wonder if thats the case for some of the most aggressively unintelligible spanish art too
>some of the most aggressively unintelligible spanish art too
Nah that's just people butchering their native language. It's subtle, but there's a stark difference between "Person who speaks X as a 2nd/3rd language making a mistake" and "Native speaker of X making a mistake".
Bilingual/polyglot people making mistakes is usually done in a predictable manner, and you can tell what they mean. But people butchering their native language is pretty much Stroke Central. Go on Facebook and look at half the shit native English speakers post, I guarantee to you it's on the same level as this bullshit.
I can't imagine how frustrating it must be when you're not fluent in any language.
Monolinguals that can't even use their own language properly usually get there from laziness/anti-intellectualism from their part. Before anyone comes at me for this, no, I am not aiming this at people who speak dialects/creoles, or people with disabilities that quite literally turn their speech into spaghetti, this is about buttholes that have gone their entire lives not giving a shit about studying and have forced their monolingualism on others.
two pieces of gold for the person who could decipher this.
Was this written by fricking Terry A. Davis and his god program? I have a feeling running it through Google Translate numerous times will somehow make it more legible, not less.
Terry's dead
A thing so big enough, it can even make a mermaid princess into a queen.
I'd go inside her mother.
Hello Agatha
There are two core flavors of "be yourself"
"Yourself" is either defined as be proud who you are a person or aspire to be what you want to become
Characters like Jack Skellington and Wreck-It-Ralph learn to be themselves by loving who they are and what they are able to do right. They don't have to be someone else, they're good just the way they are in their own unique ways nobody else can become.
Characters like Remy and the Iron Giant are able to be themselves by defying the expectations placed on them and striving to choose their own destiny against all the odds
Ruby DOES learn to be herself because of Chelsea's advice but at the time she's ultimately proven wrong when it comes to defying the expectations placed on her. Not out of a selfish desire to be someone else but because she wanted to achieve peace in the ocean. What she is as a kraken is defined by someone else.
Ruby Guillman, Primarch of the Ultramarines.
Or Ruby Gillman, Human by Day, Kraken by Night.
https://twitter.com/Luci_lezher/status/1698195970066972801/photo/4
What a tsundere
No, you don't get it, this is a master manipulator at work! First she will date the Kraken, then she will frick the Kraken, then she will marry the Kraken, then they will adopt children together. And finally, when the Krakens guard is down after 80 years of happy marriage, she will STAB HER IN THE BACK
Don't be silly, the movie isn't canon
That is so gay! A marriage of Chelby.
> she will STAB HER IN THE BACK
That's just part of the foreplay
Considering her uncle survived a freaking harpoon to the head, you might be right
I'm reminded of that one Owl House fan comic of Amity thinking to herself, "This doesn't mean anything," as her relationship with Luz grows, with dating, marriage, and eventual kids.
How did you cope today?
Accepted Chelsea is probably mentally an adult and that was the intent post-writing change
What's everyone's thoughts on that supposed leak of a show's synopsis?
>leak
Mate, even if it was a synopsis it's a basic nothing burger
It's such a basic, obvious premise that doesn't give us anything really specific
Wake me up if Chelsea is confirmed to be back defying Industry Anon's statement
What synopsis?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLS1B5b7xTpV8PnBKu47heIzaI8Ap9VQA8
It's probably nothing
That's about the movie most probably
>adventures
>plural
But yeah this movie's marketing is such a disatrous mess it's streaming release had to spoil the whole movie up until the last 15 minutes in its own description
Just as always.
>Like Chelvin
>Hate Chelby
What couples are really meant to be.
Connor helped kill the movie
It's funny how this movie came out after Spider-Verse and Elemental
The latter being a typical racism bad story and the former being about a teenager trying to defy destiny and determine his own destiny with him not being proven a fool for it
Prom is overrated
Can the krakens be compared to Nazis?
No
Literally Hitler is too lazy even for joke value
So how soon until "DreamWorks made a pro race-war movie" becomes mainstream and not just an in-joke among the few who did saw the movie?
Until someone makes an actual review on it that isn't half assed
I would have figured someone would have made that observation in an actual review already, unless they're being paid off to ignore that little blemish or they agree that "Racism against merfolk is good, kids"
Its been commented a number of times in reviews that it would've been better that the movie didn't have Chelsea be pure evil and that she had more potential if her friendship with Ruby wasn't a lie
The closest thing that explicitly focuses on the nightmare world Ruby Gillman lives in is a scathing podcast review
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When is it coming to Blu-ray in Australia?
It's not even out theatrically there yet
How fricking many are there
Maybe about 105 images right now.
All those expressions would've made sense if Chelsea wasn't Nerissa and was doubting going through with her "avenging her mother" plan using Ruby. Just have the trident's power amplify those negative emotions from her childhood when she transforms.
Holy victim complex batman
Stop posting moronic shit from twitter
Fine
That’s look fine, for the right couple.
>RubyxConnor
Piratepon, you should keep your moronic ass on Xwitter, just there people support Connor...
Oh wait that's the thing, even Connor supporters on Xwitter hate you.
>ableist
How exactly?
They think Ruby's autistic
People think Chelsea is taking advantage of an autistic girl
Honestly you can have disagreements over the ship, that's fine but actively seeking fights and playing holier than thou is stupid
It's just gonna waste people's time because you're not gonna change each other's views
Nobody draws Connor with his hideous Grubhubian features
But then again, nobody can give him an actual likable personality
Did they get beaten or something?
No, they were making out
Who did that black dress drawing for Chelsea.
Hotter than Chelsea imo
>on my way to get some milf mermaid puss
>writer/director incompetence so incomprehensibly high it actively bends reality and forces Cinemaphile to engage in large scale fanart, OC creation and even tv plot writing
I'm starting to think these threads are never gonna end. Every new little thing we learn about the production mess is so painful it enables a self-sustaining interest renewal.
We've been slowing down a lot and even most artists are gonna move on
Cinemaphile also cannot create for shit in the long term
Like it's so fricking stupid you can't actually believe it, you have to be genuinely moronic to frick up this badly
Too many consecutive threads for movies and shows get /trash/'d (unless you're Death Battle)
RGTK threads WILL die out but it'll always be mentioned as examples of writers dropping the ball, wasted potential, or movies nobody saw
seconds before SEXO MARÍTIMO
Use some much faps, during her sex.
Relationship goals not gonna lie
It look so sassy. Do it with Chelsea and Kevin sleeping in, or with Ruby.
You guys better not be giving up in here.
The frick do you want us to do?
Mate, I got disapointed by Korra, Samurai Jack's finale, Post-Rebirth, etc but I still got over them
>giving up
We already gave up, Hell, there was nothing to hope about after the movie got released. This is all post-damage copium, no true hope but meaningless what if scenarios.
We already won. Almost everyone hates the twist, and the movie was the worst DreamWorks bomb of all time. The writers have been btfo.
>and the movie was the worst DreamWorks bomb of all time.
It's gonna beat Spirit Untamed especially because of Australia but still, it's the worst domestically and mogging a limited released low budget movie based on a Netflix series based on a decade old movie during a pandemic JUST barely doesn't sound impressive
Not really. It’s not a bomb, it’s a cult. And its own success. Cause it’s a hit. And we still will believe it, when it comes out on dvd soon.
All they need to do is confirm Chelsea is mentally an adult and it's all over
How would that change anything? It would just further cement that they're morons and their canon should be ignored.
https://twitter.com/Modstin/status/1697416310169460743?t=LoTg5gVK7gNTL1GD16kfiQ&s=19
Pretty good
Do you guys think Froggy Doodles has a secret porn Chelsea fanart stash?
Artists NOT having a secret porn collection would be more surprising
Well for that, does he or she have secret porn for Chelsea and Kevin?
He probably muted you lol
No, he’s alive, and willing to do some favors if he wants.
Wanna swim or fap?
Go back to your cage you pitiful excuse of a living organism
an in real life Grubhubian.
i bet he's a Black person too. He can't even prove this wrong lmao.
He hates black Jenny though
self deprecation
Well I like Jenny to be all white.
Gingers are just as black people.
Oh.......OHHHHHHHHHHHH I get it now
DressGuy got attatched to this movie because Chelsea's a redhead like Frankie Foster and human Jenny
a massive Black person.
this movie would have been so much better if it just focused on ruby's social life than trying to force in all that kraken v mermaid war bullshit. cant we get a single animated movie where the stakes arent inflated?
Luca
Luca. It's comfy and great.
Ruby should've been like Luca, in fact they pretty much bloated the movie with bullshit to try to don't be like Luca... and they ended like Turning Red but with a pro-genocide agenda.
i would've preferred another Luca...
holy shit you are so right actually. if only thats how the movie went. i really wish the mermaid had just been the mean ol' popular girl instead of whatever the frick this is
>actual image listed on the wiki btw
>, in fact they pretty much bloated the movie with bullshit to try to don't be like Luca...
They didn't know about Luca when they were heading into this direction and felt where they were taking the film would be distinct enough
Turning Red though got them more concerned over copying accusations since the directorial change was motivated with the "Three generations of strong women reconciling" angle
Never heard of T-Posing?
yeah, but i find it funny that they used that instead of an actual render of her monster form, likely due to spoiler stuff.
likely due to there not being one because spoilers**
i am moronic in many ways and wording is one of them
>likely due to spoiler stuff.
They probably got it from Artstation
Never forget what they took away from you
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Chelsea would've been like what Alberto is to Ruby's Luca. Helping them to grew up, yet not a positive influence in their respective lives per se.
dude that is so much better, not only the designs but just everything
Welcome to the club
>unexpected rayman origins art
this makes me happy 🙂
Heard this song while out in public today, got an instant rush of Chelby. .
I'm officially a 10,000 Maniacs fan because of that storyboard
I wish the soundtrack of the final film did more songs similar to them or stuff that influenced Spongebob's atmosphere
this image makes me sad
Quite the opposite, it gives me oh so much joy.
damn, thats crazy
but lesbian cuckoldry is just sad, man. i cant quite put my finger on why, i almost feel like it happened to me on a previous life or something.
>but lesbian cuckoldry is just sad
it's the lowest kink out there that doesn't involves literal shit.
Still, it's more of Connor getting dunked on than the cuck factor here, as Connor deserves less than nothing, he isn't a character at all, but just a poorly built archetype that serves no purpose but burnt down tropes no human being with standards like, just for Ruby's false sense of motivation.
alright fair enough, i am less sad now and will only focus on the funny factor of it.
It's funny how much of a storm in a teacup the Chelsea controversy is. We know the movie failed and nobody cared, and that even less of its audience were shipgays. But somehow the DreamWorks staff is compelled to address the minority's complaints about the villain and MC's relationship without admitting that somebody fricked up.
Honestly, I don't know what they're getting from this, I bet the folks at DreamWorks just wanted something to do.
see
Yeah, the thing is DreamWorks can simply leave the Chelbygays alone and let them fight among themselves or scream at the void. Nothing's on the line here for the company.
I'm still somewhat convinced at least one person knew these two would've been better as friends
this trailer was so weird, such a different atmosphere from the actual film
The marketing department knew.
I know meddling is looked down on but do marketing departments see the movie being developed or are they given the final product and are told "Sell it"?
That trailer was pure trickery.
I'm still curious on if it was made before or after the trailer dropped
How long does it take to make 10 seconds of CGI animation without the actual VAs?
i cant believe ive been sleeping on just about the funniest cope-train on the internet ever since the movie released. only now ive come to learn about the dedicated ruby gillman community on Cinemaphile and i am impressed, really. i wish i could have been part of it. also heres a drawing i made in about five seconds.
It really is a unique experience. Usually coping make sense such as a shitty sequel to an acclaimed movie, but Ruby truly is unique in regards to the cope exclusive here on Cinemaphile about the wasted potential that most people wouldn't even bother to dig through.
ill throw in my own bit of copium, maybe this will be a puss in boots kind of situation. first movie is meh, then they hit it out the park with a phenomenal sequel nobody asked for.
Puss in Boots 1 didn't bomb or have jarringly bad writing resulting in botching so many tropes like false friendships, evil races, embracing one's self, etc and not understanding how those tropes could even work and what not to do when handling those
i mean yeah but it still wasnt anything stellar until the second movie came along.
You have to understand
Ruby isn't just a bomb
It's not just a film that underperformed or couldn't make back 2-2.5× the budget
No, it's DreamWorks BIGGEST bomb, worse than fricking Sinbad
It's going to beat Spirit Untamed when it comes out in Australia sure but that's like beating someone at the special olympics
id say its all the more reason to give it a second try, but from how you guys talk about it it really seems unfixable with the whole genocide thing
Making Chelsea and Nerissa the same person was poorly thought out and makes the world a lot more fricked than intended
It implies the Krakens waged war (and even killed) against a race of perpetual teenage girls
People have come up with ideas of follow ups or retcons though
Both within and outside of Cinemaphile
The movie has these glimpses of something a lot more interesting that goes beyond what was advertised but those moments are never followed up through
>Agatha sparing the mermaids hints that it's not a black and white conflict and that she defied Grandmamah's bloodlust?
Nope, she hates mermaids like her mom
She just doesn't want to fight anymore
>Brill calling Grandmamah a warlord and Agatha saying she only fights because she wants to fight implying the whole "ocean's protector" stuff is a load of crap?
Nope, we're still expected to buy into it despite no concrete proof and actual evidence going AGAINST that
>Ruby and Chelsea befriending each other despite the latter becoming the antagonist suggesting themes of revenge, friendship, and defining the future to make up for the past while giving one of the most potentially nuanced sympathetic villains in animated movies in recent memory?
Do I even have to say it?
This movie is mostly seen as mediocre, predictable, forgettable shlock
It's when you actually think about the plot for longer than 10 minutes, realize the fricked up moral and world building implications, see where this movie could have gone, and learn about the original story details that's when it really grabs you
How would she fit in the splatoon world?
anon out here asking the real questions
She'd be unable to participate in Turf Wars but her other powers would be respected
id hit that octopussy ngl
The movie wants to be about the reconciliation of three generations of women but like, Ruby didn't give a flying frick about it
She didn't give a rats ass about her mom and grandma potentially making up
Nobody gave a flying frick about it
Why should the audience?
They just mended things after Nerissa's defeated and just settled Ruby as if it was a custody battle on how she should be raised without her actual input
Ruby already had a goal after achieving her need thanks to her friendship with Chelsea
That goal was ending a fricking racewar and daring to have sympathy for the species of her new friend (who again, saved her life) after she was told to hate after finding out they've been forced into hiding
*of her new friend she was told to hate on principle
https://twitter.com/nahomy_sarez/status/1698557231988412690
>one of them has tentacles
I see what they did there
UNCLEAN!
It's so unbeliveably moronic , the mermaids are high school mean girls
EXCEPT EVEN REGINA GEORGE WASN'T PURE EVIL
SHE LITERALLY BECOMES A BETTER PERSON AT THE END OF THE FILM
So....the krakens really did wage war, slaughter, and drove into a hiding a race of perpetual teenage girls
At least this weighs against Chelsea being mentally an adult
>consumed by her destiny
Except Ruby is consumed by that as well
She tries to fight destiny because she thinks continuing a generational interspecies conflict is stupid and is made a fool to even think so
She's not what she wants to be, she's what her family and "destiny" wants and is conformed into that and sacrifices her own beliefs as a result
Frick the "call"
I hate the "call"
It is the real villain of the movie
It's the worst implementation of themes like fate, destiny, and being yourself I've seen in a long time
I don't think these people researched the tropes they put in their own movie
There are characters like Wreck-it-Ralph and Jack Skellington who try to defy what they're seemingly stuck with as themselves and have to love what they're basically stuck with and let go of what they'll never be or achieve
The difference is that those two were in a midlife crisis over their dead-end jobs
Ralph didn't need validation as a "hero" through some dumb medal, he just needed to finally be appreciated for the contributions he brought as himself
Jack didn't need to hijack someone else's holiday, he just needed to rekindle his love for his lifelong passion through some new inspiration
Both characters acted in a way that was objectively selfish and short-sighted
Ruby tried to end a fricking racewar and avoid being what is essentially being drafted
She saw the status quo as a load of bs and wanted to help someone out of compassion over blindly believing notions toward an entire race of beings and letting the action of the invididual she knew speak for herself
This isn't her embracing who she is, this is her letting herself to be defined by societal expectations and accepting she never truly had an option in the matter cause fricking destiny said so, this is like if Remy just accepted he's a rat and will never be a cook or if the Iron Giant just accepted he'll never be nothing but a "gun"
>Chelsea's alone because her entire race of people got genocided
>This is a good thing
HOLY FRICKING SHIT
This is pretty interesting. They wanted Chelsea to genuinely relate to Ruby, to be motivated by an obsessive drive to get revenge (probably a leftover from when she was Nerissa's daughter), and they also wanted Grandma to be more morally questionable. It almost reminds me of some of the posts from this board. But none of that is shown in the film. It was just "GOTCHA, I'm actually just pure evil", and Grandma plainly being proven right.
I wonder what happened which caused the movie to end up how it did.
The more forgiving answer?
Executive meddling
The cynical answer?
Messy, messy incompetence
There's no defending the Nerissa twist though
>Be orphaned
>Lose birthright
>Spend most life alone
Yeah no fricking shit she'd be consumed with wanting revenge
What could have followed is if friendship and love prevails
Someone's Chelby art playing this for humor captures this dynamic
Her love for Ruby's friendship outweighs her hatred for her family and it's what helps defeat Chelsea or redeems her after her defeat
That's what makes Ruby different
That's what makes her stronger in her own right
Some people ITT are fully on the "THIS WAS DELIBERATE REEEEEEEEEE" part of the copetrain when it's clear from what staff have told people when prompted that they had good ideas and a coherent plot they wanted to put it in, but the movie got absolutely gangraped by executives.
I hope someone makes a rewrite fanfic/comic and shows it to the staff, and that the show becomes a reality.
Nerissa being Chelsea so far has been signalled as their own idea
Maybe they're not allowed to say?
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now
>we wanted to make sure that wasn't a lie
So what parts of the "Chelsea" persona is even meant to be a complete lie then?
Why would Nerissa even feel sympathy for Ruby?
>Ruby following destiny is le good
>Chelsea following destinys is le bad
JUST HAVE BOTH OF THEM SAY DESTINY IS GARBAGE AND MARK THEIR OWN PATHS
Stacychuds on suicide watch
Is Barbie a Stacy movie?
If RGTK's writers wrote Zootopia, Gideon would have stayed a jerk into adulthood
This movie gives me Sticker Star levels of frustration except RGTK hasn't had the gall to continue a legacy through its frick-ups unlike Sticker Star
The directors commentary will be so stupid and self contradictory it will actually hurt
We'll probably get a summary like a month or two after it comes out assuming none of us actually buys it
artist link?
https://twitter.com/NColp11/status/1698448075650400442?t=f5iCWSfR9aOyw9YhQ3Rw4g&s=19
Thanks
Does the movie condone genocide?
Not directly but Agatha defying the "call" and NOT killing all the mermaids is ultimately viewed as a bad thing
Grandmamah was right
They never outright say it, but by implication and logical reasoning it does
BRAVO DREAMWORKS
>the genocide of an entire race of high school mean girls is treated as good
holy power fantasy batman
What's the Femcel version of Revenge of the Nerds?
Never watched mean girls, is Regina George just as nice to her targets as Chelsea? How similar are they?
Regina George is an open b***h and she's fun to watch
They're both vain and extremely popular, but Regina George was more overtly mean, two-faced and elitist from the viewer's perspective. Chelsea didn't seem to have that problem until the twist.
>Chelsea didn't seem to have that problem until the twist.
And after that the movie had already dropped high school as the setting so she wasn't even a proper alpha b***h
Wow, that would have happen if a man raped a woman.
Then Chelsea is going to get it.
Is Ruby already nominated for Ms. Cinemaphile?
Yes. She's in. Make sure you vote for her.
I will. If anything, I'm predicting a landslide victory for her. She deserves it after the mess of a movie she got saddled with.
What about Chelsea?
ruby is better
Naw, Chelsea did abysmal only getting 59 votes for 340's seed. Ruby literally BARELY squeezed in last place winning by tiebreaker.
>Immigrant story with fantasy creatures in the human world
>One of the parents is a veteran of war and left their life for a better one
>The consequence of their old life comes back to haunt them starting with a friendship with the child of the family
Any stories like this?
Any?
Cause this is unironically is something I'd watch/read
Why did the krakens didn't just give the eternally teenage girl race rape correction?
correction is harder than you think when there's 1000s of them, easier to stomp most of them out then correct those alive.
Grandmamah was more worried about Kraken Royals getting it on with a race of eternal teenage girls. Imagine having an immortal ruler with the mind of a teen.
They're high school mean girls anon, what makes you think they're not into tentacles?
This plot feels like something Henry Darger would write
Should have been the Chelvin version.
Was it any good? I really liked both Bad Guys and The Last Wish
>good
Haha nope
Overall no. There's bits and pieces which is why it lives rent free in Cinemaphiles mind. The positives I can give is that Ruby and the Gillmans are generally likable characters, has decent animation with a cool bio-luminescent vibe for underwater, and has certain enjoyable scenes. Rest of the plot is a complete trainwreck.
The trailers give you the same experience minus Turning Red but worse
Yep, and it was so hot. For the summer we have.
Why is she so smug?
She pulled a bad b***h
She spends most of the day with the hottest merb***h is school. She'd be mad if she didn't have a shit eating grin all day.
Is there perhaps anything to suggest a reason for the mermaids starting a war? Like Grandma being a warlord could be one
All we know is that they wanted to take over the ocean and subjugate the creatures in it but this is coming from Grandmamah of all people
Winners write the history books.
They could easily confirm what Grandmamah said as true but the fact that intentional or not, that there's actually room for her to be bullshitting opens a door for a potentially more interesting plot
Option 1: racism
Option 2: Grandma's genocide is ni linger justified
They've written themselves in such a hellhole it's astounding
Since the mermaids are in hiding, what happens to them if they're found? I mean the answer is pretty obvious but what do the writers think happens to them if they're found?