This. Companies that go woke are already broke and out of ideas. Hence the desperate tactic of getting woke. And the problem is that once you welcome woke freaks inside your companies and studios you can't stop it so you have to watch how the company dies from the inside out. Not that any of these executives, CEOs, etc are innocent they are well in on the scam.
All they had to do was go out of their Tangled comfort zone for one second and really think about the company's history, but the moment they decided "2d animation is too hardddd, I want my easy CG" it was over:
https://www.ign.com/articles/wish-filmmakers-considered-going-full-2d-for-disneys-100th-anniversary-heres-why-they-didnt >Walt Disney Animation Studios Chief Creative Officer and Wish executive producer/writer Jennifer Lee told IGN in a recent interview that in the early stages of development several years ago, using traditional 2d animation was seriously discussed. >“What happens in hand-drawn is that you have the incredible hand of the artist, but also limitations in what you could do on screen,” Lee explained. “What happened in CG is you'd have incredible, boundless opportunities, visually, that elevated it — even to the point for some — into realism" >Lee admitted that even after they committed to using computer animation to make Wish, they did consider using traditional animation to bring the character Star to life. Ultimately, she said 2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.
Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico was a secondary problem since they didn't adjust the writing properly, and turning Star from a love interest to just a generic cute critter was likely a mistake in hindsight because you'd at least be able to catch the women audience.
>Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico was a secondary problem since they didn't adjust the writing properly
Found the source for Lee's refusal of female villains:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/nov/09/dad-who-watched-frozen-50-times-prepares-for-sequel-tom-lamont >Before the first Frozen, I asked myself: what did I wish had been there for me as a child? And it was a heroine who was not perfect, who struggled, who wasn’t good or evil, and wasn’t pitted against other women.
It's a bit of reading between the lines, but there really is no reason to say the last part other than if she was pushing a feminist agenda. Being flawed, struggling, and morally dubious are all related to the character, but the "wasn't putted against other women" is not relevant in characterization. It's an artificial limitation.
Samegay. One of Frozen's celebrated subversions was of how it depicted romance "realistically". It didn't; all it did was make fun of people watching a Disney movie expecting it to play out as a Disney movie. But that's beside the point I want to make. While Frozen treats romantic relationships with more realism than Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, it also made a sisterly relationship too fantastical, unironically romanticized it. Elsa and Anna are nowhere near a realistic relationship between sisters and depicting them as perfect for each other Disney is just falling into the same fantasy that Disney films were criticized for in the first place. Realistic relationships should apply to all the relationships in the story.
It's not just women. The reason modern entertainment is shit is because it's created by shitty women and loser simps. These two extremely shitty subhumans are the reason for why entertainment has become trash incarnate.
The people who made this movie are white burdened with the guilt of their ancestors.
Deserved, stop it with the bullshit and go back to basics, start adapting fairytale classics with no bullshit pandering
That won't happen until Disney fires Jennifer Lee. Really, they need to clean house of all the current creators who care more about doling social justice as part of their pseudo-religious crusade instead of telling a good story.
>Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico was a secondary problem since they didn't adjust the writing properly
Found the source for Lee's refusal of female villains:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/nov/09/dad-who-watched-frozen-50-times-prepares-for-sequel-tom-lamont >Before the first Frozen, I asked myself: what did I wish had been there for me as a child? And it was a heroine who was not perfect, who struggled, who wasn’t good or evil, and wasn’t pitted against other women.
It's a bit of reading between the lines, but there really is no reason to say the last part other than if she was pushing a feminist agenda. Being flawed, struggling, and morally dubious are all related to the character, but the "wasn't putted against other women" is not relevant in characterization. It's an artificial limitation.
So in other words, wish was made with her as the only target audience.
It was made to check all the boxes needed to please the Twitter crowd. A black Latinx girl with no talent and is completely selfless (at least what the movie told us) overthrows the white straight popular Christian male patriarchy with her misfit friends of many shapes, sizes, colors, and genders. There's no romance for the heroine or else that makes her less of an independent woman and the only heteronormative relationship showcased ends with the wife initiating divorce.
>boundless opportunities, visually, that elevated it — even to the point for some — into realism >buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, OH MY GOSH REALISM
can we please fricking fire all these people ruining hollywood and start from the ground up
They're not getting fired because the executives in charge LIKE what these shitty activists are making. For god's sake look at how Seth Rogen's Ninja Turtles movie did not do good at the box office and Nickelodeon rewarded Seth Rogen with more budget money to make MORE of his Ninja Turtles media. I'm telling you the big bosses in charge LIKE this shit show. That's why these horrible employees keep getting work and budget money.
Meaning it's easier for clueless executives to demand changes at the last minute.
Remember what happened to The Black Cauldron after Katzenberg and Eisner took over?
They tried demanding edits and reshoots like it was live action film, and when told animation can't be changed like that, they threatened to just yank something like 15 minutes of the film where they saw fit to trim it down.
That really is the only real advantage of CGI over traditional animation, being able to make more changes quicker and more smoothly if they REALLY have to, like minor changes to a character model ad stuff; instead of having to adjust every frame, they can just change the model and do some slight adjustments if needed. Like what happened with the Sonic movie and stuff.
But traditional, hand draw animation is amazing and truly a work of art that requires a lot of effort and passion, and Wish should definitely have used it instead of leaning into 3D.
It's also because to quote South Park Mickey Mouse..
Little Girls are fricking STUPID!!!
That's the true reason for why Frozen became The Calling of a Generation. Well a generation of stupid little girls. I hope those girls, who are now starting college are fricking brutalized by reality and pumped and dumped off their asses and thrown away like used up sperm toilets. That's what the Frozen generation deserves. And it's what they are getting remember the first Frozen is ten years old so at least some of these now modern bawds have aged enough to get into college and started the process of ruining their own lives. Hope this continues for all fans of Frozen.
I agree with you. I always hated Tangled as well, but the reason Frozen in particular annoys me is because it did become Frozen Mania a phenomenon.
And I still remember how depressed and miserable certain employees at Disney stores looked because you could tell they were TIRED of hearing the song Let It Go while they worked. And I feel sorry for mothers and fathers who also got sick and tired of listening to that shitty song about celebrating abandoning your responsibilities. God awful moral.
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If Elsa was the one who got "impaled", it would've been the perfect film.
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>I still remember how depressed and miserable certain employees at Disney stores looked because you could tell they were TIRED of hearing the song Let It Go while they worked
I always preferred Fixer-Upper.
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I'll be honest, I prefer Disney movies without songs. (Post-Ashman/Menkin, that is.)
Even if Wish used the prototype idea of the villain power couple and the homosexual wishing star being human Wish would STILL be shit. So tired of idiots pretending the original draft was ever a good idea.
It'd have avoided some of the more egregious moments like
>Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico
She is evil. The problem is that the movie treats her as a hero when she's nothing of the sort. b***h had anti evil ointment and refused to tell her husband this. That b***h was trying to become the single monarch of the kingdom. And Asha gave her an opportunity to get rid of her husband. The Queen is EVIL.
and at least been able to try and carry itself on character writing. Though I concede that, given Lee's incompetence, it probably wouldn't have been "good", just possibly able to achieve mediocrity.
>Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico
She is evil. The problem is that the movie treats her as a hero when she's nothing of the sort. b***h had anti evil ointment and refused to tell her husband this. That b***h was trying to become the single monarch of the kingdom. And Asha gave her an opportunity to get rid of her husband. The Queen is EVIL.
>2D >limitations in what you could do on screen
Ha? >What happened in CG is you have incredible, boundless opportunities, visually, that elevated it
Yeah, stuff that you also can do in 2D >2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.
This is just fricking cope.
At least fricking link the original source you got this from on reddit incase people want to confirm it or read more information you lazy sack of shit. That's how human beings act instead of Black folk.
It's crazy how everyone is just witness to this massive corporations losing hundreds of millions a year and everyone there is just shrugging "there was just no way to avoid this"
A child could navigate Disney back to consistently insane profitability
If Disney brings in any children for focus testing their products, they're very likely children of employees that have imbued their family with DEI ideology and are programmed to say what the parents want them to say like "the girl is black and there aren't any black dolls". The children approve of the product because their parents tell them they have to and there's no real excitement for the products. It's very the Skinner meme.
What the frick are you talking about?
I swear we've gotten to a point that most of this website believes that their thoughts determine reality. You can just make shit up and it magically becomes true. It's the only explanation for why so many of you are so deranged.
The issue remains you've got a bunch of people who are being overly cautious of offending people when the fact is gayS LOVE DISNEY VILLAINS.
They get the best lines, they get the best songs, they used to get the best moments but now everything has to be safe and bland and to be sure nobody gets offended by having zero media literacy
No one wants to watch a boring straight white guy be the villain against a cast of ethnically and physically diverse losers because WE GET THAT ENOUGH IRL
That's the beautiful part. Nintendo IS Disney's replacement. I find it hilarious that Mario's creator said he hopes one day Mario is as popular as Mickey Mouse. That happened as soon as Mario debuted in his first Mario Bros game. No one likes Mickey Mouse who is lame.
And Nintendo is about to kick Disney's ass next year with Florida's Nintendo Land theme park. Nintendo has all the makings of permanently replacing Disney. In fact Nintendo is so smart they intentionally SHUT DOWN their California offices. That's how you know they are serious about maintaining their quality and to keep expanding their empire. No shitty infiltrating israelites ruining Nintendo from the inside out.
The main issue Nintendo will have is they will never take risks
Even Nintendo World isn’t a risk. They didn’t buy the land, build the park, hedge for it and hope it pays off. They instead just piggybacked off a bigger company in Comcast and licensed their brand out to them so it can be propped up with Harry Potter.
Disney is in the scenario it’s in where it can coast off its prior success because Walt took risks. An animation studio making a theme park was an insane risk but it pulled off spectacularly, they own the land and what they build and license and that keeps it together in the long run. Even Snow White was a risk but that’s bit different
Nintendo isn’t showing me they can hedge against when the Nintendo brand and characters eventually decline in popularity like all do and what will keep it going
Don't forget that Super Nintendo World only came about after the failure of the Wii U with Nintendo deciding they need to try and branch out their IPs into more than just games again.
See anon exactly
Sega was on top of the world in the console game and within 2 console failures after backed out entirely and is now solely known for blue hedgehog deviantart autism
Wii U failed but Switch saved them. They very well could decline rapidly and cut off making consoles which will slowly start fading them into irrelevance. This can happen quicker then people think
>within 2 console failures after backed out entirely
Yeah having those two fail in a row tanked them immensely.
Nintendo having the huge success of the Wii allowed them to more or less tank the failure of the Wii U (I think I read somewhere that Nintendo could have kept the Wii U going for another seven years and still be in the green) while Sony basically dropped support of the Vita quickly in order to ensure the PS4's launch years didn't end up like the PS3.
Imagine if they had actually made a new 2D animated film for the anniversary.
It might have still flopped but at least it would have been worthy of respect.
When will they realize that what they're doing right now is bad and they won't magically get people to like it? Whatever happened to the Tangled-Moana era storytelling/artstyle? Why don't they just stick to what works?
A lot of their shit coming out now was in development during the Trump era and during the era where Disney was at the top of the box office. They thought they can do no wrong, so all of the shit coming out now is from the "good times create weak content" phase, and they're all bombing together.
We have to wait until the next production cycle to really see if Disney learned their lesson, but with how deep the DEI infection has gotten, I think they may never recover.
Closest person we got to Walt since Walt. He pioneered computer animation and Toy Story is as monumental as Snow White was. He's the reason why people still go on the Jungle Cruise. Firing John for being a hugger would be like firing Walt for being a smoker.
Femanon here. It's not a woman problem. It's a feminist problem. That's what you get when you hire someone who is more interested in proselytizing and changing minds instead of entertaining and being the best.
No. You think that's the lesson Disney will learn? They will check with their DEI consultation, and they will see that the problem is that Asha was not trans or a lesbian, so that's what their next focus should be.
Asha's voice actress is queer and if it weren't for Disney being desperate to not be controversial in the slightest they would've had the actress constantly saying Asha is queer like her in interviews.
I'm just sad Jim Henson died before he could become Disney's Creative Officer.
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Disney fired John Lasseter and promoted Jennifer Lee. Lasseter was pretty much Walt Disney. Lee let the circus take over.
I"m not sure if it was all Lasseter, but when he left, Disney went maximum nuts on activist politics, getting into stupid fights, and a bunch of other talented people left for other places.
practically speaking,
I wonder how much of this can be blamed on TV advertising no longer really existing for media and video games?
I mean, I never seen a single commercial for a new video game or movie or tv show anymore. I know there's a lot of people don't really watch tv anymore, but still.
That would affect it to. The internet, for all its interconnectedness, is much more isolating than television. I've never seen a single ad for any of these movies or shows or games because I have ads blocked, but even on Twitch, I still don't see any.
Are you seeing ANY movie ads? They bombarbed this movie on every vector available. I suppose if your adblock game is strong, you might miss some of it, but here, they had tieins with Target, bus ads, billboards, as well as paid placements. You'd have to skip youtube entirely to avoid paid content. They had the ads running continuously in Wendys.
Closest person we got to Walt since Walt. He pioneered computer animation and Toy Story is as monumental as Snow White was. He's the reason why people still go on the Jungle Cruise. Firing John for being a hugger would be like firing Walt for being a smoker.
The closest living equivalent of Walt is George Lucas. Because he was a billionaire CEO filmmaker, and he helped pioneer 3D animation and special effects.
If you still have any doubts, watch this video.
>Interviewer: Are you indebted to George for life? >Lasseter: Always. Yes.
I wonder how much of this can be blamed on TV advertising no longer really existing for media and video games?
I mean, I never seen a single commercial for a new video game or movie or tv show anymore. I know there's a lot of people don't really watch tv anymore, but still.
That would affect it to. The internet, for all its interconnectedness, is much more isolating than television. I've never seen a single ad for any of these movies or shows or games because I have ads blocked, but even on Twitch, I still don't see any.
>Sad
Not my problem. That's what they get for being evil boomers that need to dictate how we are suppose to enjoy entertainment. The writers and artists of this movie knew how to make a good movie, Disney suits didn't.
No. You think that's the lesson Disney will learn? They will check with their DEI consultation, and they will see that the problem is that Asha was not trans or a lesbian, so that's what their next focus should be.
>You don't have to hope. It will fail. Every Star Wars show has fewer viewership than the last, and it's not getting any better.
It's honestly kind of magical like.
>Cool space western with a strong silent male lead with legitimate emotional depth and a strong love of his traditional culture and honorable conduct + ripping off Wolf and Cub in grand cowboy tradition with a marketable cute thing. >Focus on Jedi-adjacent viewpoints and have a bit of grit. >Make fricking gangbusters >Try to force in a shitty female character who the entire point of said character is that she's an egotistical, morally bankrupt opportunist who can't walk the walk and start shilling her, derailing the actual lead's narrative arc >Go whole hog on more Dennings-esque Autismo Jedi shit and allow Filoni to ruin his own characters by overshilling. >Entire fricking Franchise collapses because you just obliterated the only thing you made that made literally any fricking money in it.
Like actually how. After still failing to make back costs after 5 fricking movies you think they would have like, fricking realized.
>wish
Box office failure. >strange world
Box office failure. >encanto
Box office failure. >raya and the last dragon
Box office failure.
The consensus is in. Consumers want less CGslop and more traditionally animated films.
Audiences want good movies that don't make them feel like shit in the end. >Wish ended with Rosas in a worse place than it was when the story began. >Strange World glossed over the fact that now nobody can drive anymore. >Encanto didn't change anything other than making Mirabel the most important member of the family. >Raya didn't make a lick of sense with its ambiguous trust message.
Can't we have the villain fall into a volcano and the hero marry the princess in the end?
Can any of you even define what "woke" is supposed to mean? This is it original meaning:
> Black American folk singer-songwriter Huddie Ledbetter, a.k.a. Lead Belly, used the phrase "stay woke" as part of a spoken afterword to a 1938 recording of his song "Scottsboro Boys", which tells the story of nine black teenagers and young men falsely accused of raping two white women in Alabama in 1931.
Is that how you perceive it to be used in cartoon publishing today?
NTA but it is a story about a light-skinned male building society for everyone regardless of race or creed, granting their wishes, and then being cast down into hell by a diverse mob for the crime of not granting ALL of said wishes. And it’s framed as good and heroic that this was done to him.
Anon science has very, very specifically been avoiding talking about the "Question of Dogs" for like 70 fricking years for exactly this fricking reason and I'm pretty sure you damn well fricking know it, don't be that homosexual.
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>Anon science has very, very specifically been avoiding talking about the "Question of Dogs" for like 70 fricking years for exactly this fricking reason and I'm pretty sure you damn well fricking know it, don't be that homosexual.
I have no idea what "Question of Dogs" is. Is it the practice of replacing people with dogs to see how the story changes? Because there shouldn't be a Chow-Chow in Medieval Spain.
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Assuming you're not being moronic on purpose I guess I can explain.
"The Question of Dogs" is a thorny issue where we just quietly and pointedly ignore the fact that defacto dogbreeds existing and how they work out genetically and physiologically prove a lot of really fricking politically unpleasant things.
"Breed" is along with "Race" one of those technically unscientific categories we just don't talk about correcting ever because of what would happen fricking immediately, in a large part eugenicists were fricking moronic and couldn't separate moral systems from scientific ones.
Technically speaking, they're both subspecies, full stop, a chow chow and a british bulldog are not both Canis Lupus Familiaris, they are separate subspecies of Canis Lupus, Familiaris doesn't fricking exist, it's a fiction and "breeds" are a fiction of a fiction that obscures this fact.
The problem is that if you formally recognize this then we suddenly have two mammalian species one with a long history of scientific testing with a swathe of interfertile subspecies with varied morphological differences among others, and when you have two points of comparison you can actually make meaningful headway into studies. One of which we've shown we can also force to evolve very quickly. Two separate myths and sacred cows, that of stagnant evolution, where evolution takes exclusively "millions of years" and human exceptionalism, "humanity is above/beyond animals due to consciousness", just get fricking slaughtered. The can of worms that is races being defacto subspecies gets opened and the fact that those subspecies can have differing traits of import gets put on the table and for added fun, we have to recognize that evolution is not a gradual process that we can pretend doesn't happen in our or our grandfathers' lifetimes and can infact be forced to happen very fricking quickly if it wants.
So we do not ask the fricking question of dogs. Period.
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>I have no idea what "Question of Dogs" is.
It's when you say "Rottweilers were bred to be super violent and aggressive and people agree with that so what's wrong with saying black people are the rottweilers of humanity?"
differentanon here. For someone who cares a great deal about racial politics, you seem clueless about how it's applied. The obvious followup is "are the breeds of dogs racially coded", with the answer being "yes, because that's the current rules for animation VA work".
This line of dialogue is headed towards pol in a handbasket, so don't let it go out of control..
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>you seem clueless about how it's applied
Well, that's why I'm asking questions.
Every female character is nonwhite or ambiguous at best, while all the males were white and often depicted as evil or gross. Plus it's set in the Mediterranean during the Medieval period and a fat crippled Asian girl in glasses is the head baker. All this moaning about "authenticity" is empty when they shove in racial and gender diversity in the name of representation. People hate hypocrites.
They hired a staff of about a half dozen people to make sure their magic spells arent' racist or culturally insensitive.
They probably hired a consultant on how to respect box braids.
They ignore that part. They're more worried about if the tile work in a background looks like it was made with materials available to people in Medieval Spain at the time.
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>They ignore that part. They're more worried about if the tile work in a background looks like it was made with materials available to people in Medieval Spain at the time. >They probably hired a consultant on how to respect box braids.
Talk to the people who were the cultural sensitivity consultants. Their roughly the left's equivalent of the baptist ultra christgays that give approval to shit that will get protested by the left.
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And yet there will still be something to piss someone off. I think Wish actually managed to avoid any social criticism by sacrificing everything else.
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>I think Wish actually managed to avoid any social criticism by sacrificing everything else.
I would say it's a common failure mode in woke shit, or attempts to do so. I mean look at the shit Princess and the Frog had to deal with, with people simultaniously arguing the prince NEEDED to be black, and that it was ok for him to be multiracial.
And the result was that they spent more than half the movie as frogs in the swamp. Can't have pesky human racist problems there when you're green.
I'm not taking you too seriously, but they spent more time getting racial and cultural depections politicall correct than they did making the villian's actions make any fricking sense at all.
So, yes. Uncle Rukkus taught me what "woke" means. Believe it or not, the racist shit you see isn't just a lack of understanding and cultural exposure. Kannamean?
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I"m not sure if it was all Lasseter, but when he left, Disney went maximum nuts on activist politics, getting into stupid fights, and a bunch of other talented people left for other places.
practically speaking,
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Are you seeing ANY movie ads? They bombarbed this movie on every vector available. I suppose if your adblock game is strong, you might miss some of it, but here, they had tieins with Target, bus ads, billboards, as well as paid placements. You'd have to skip youtube entirely to avoid paid content. They had the ads running continuously in Wendys.
Maybe it's a freak thing where you live?
It might be coincidental, but for WDAS it lines up perfectly to when Lee assumed power.
Every female character is nonwhite or ambiguous at best, while all the males were white and often depicted as evil or gross. Plus it's set in the Mediterranean during the Medieval period and a fat crippled Asian girl in glasses is the head baker. All this moaning about "authenticity" is empty when they shove in racial and gender diversity in the name of representation. People hate hypocrites.
NTA but it is a story about a light-skinned male building society for everyone regardless of race or creed, granting their wishes, and then being cast down into hell by a diverse mob for the crime of not granting ALL of said wishes. And it’s framed as good and heroic that this was done to him.
That's the dumbest thing of all! Jennifer Lee is such a an idiot she managed to unintentionally write her black Latinx heroine as a self-righteous, demanding b***h that breaks into a house to steal property that were fully acquired with consent.
There is NO way it's a coincidence. Lasseter leaves. Company has to be hypervigilant about the "old boys" network, and guys being holywood sex fiends. Lee is hot because of Frozen. Very progressive, but her office politic friends are even more so. You can track the changes in hiring, and the change in political activism to the same time.
The office politics match 100 percent.
NTA but it is a story about a light-skinned male building society for everyone regardless of race or creed, granting their wishes, and then being cast down into hell by a diverse mob for the crime of not granting ALL of said wishes. And it’s framed as good and heroic that this was done to him.
Bioshock: Wish edition would have been better than what we got.
Believing that all inequality is the result of a system designed to benefit a certain category of person, and that all members of that category are working, subconsciously or consciously, to oppress other categories, and that the system must be opposed by force in every facet of life
It's a Buzzword meant to indicate being aware of the hypocrisies in the world. It became a rallying cry against being aware of said hypocrisies.
A product is not bad for being woke. A product is bad for trying to be woke but embracing the same hypocrisies. Wish is an example of this. It tries to present itself as "speaking" against injustices in the real world but the fact is the characters who we are supposed to be rooting for are arguably as bad or as inconsiderate as the ones we're supposed to root against. Thus the Hypocrisy. This is when Woke goes bad because it's performative.
Woke is basically synonymous with virtue signalling. It's empty gestures blown up to be as if they're really changing the world. No, you made a movie. If you want to make a difference, join Greenpeace or some shit.
For instance, all businesses will go rainbow for June except in countries where homosexuality is illegal. If they're not willing to support the cause universally, they're posers.
>Greenpeace
You mean the guys almost single handedly behind why there's a climate crisis AND an energy crisis because they fricked over Nuclear Power by being lying morons.
I partially agree with you but theres a ridiculous bias there. There's a progressive shift in a change of the definitions, eg, colorblind equity vs continuous active institutional level change in an attempt to fix historical inequity. The difference between anti racist and not being racist in the Stephen Universe PSAs..
Notice the anons who think that the "woke" versions of things are actively racist.
Calling a rejection of anti-racist, as in the political movement's ideals, pro ignorance or pro racist is riddiculous.
However followup on this topic is straight up pol vs leftypol.
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They probably hired a consultant on how to respect box braids.
They ignore that part. They're more worried about if the tile work in a background looks like it was made with materials available to people in Medieval Spain at the time.
There is NO way they would allow magic to match any existing religious symbols, particularly cabbalist israeli traditions or sufi muslim ones, or christgay ones.
>There is NO way they would allow magic to match any existing religious symbols, particularly cabbalist israeli traditions or sufi muslim ones, or christgay ones.
That's why the cultural consultants are there. They ignore the language and social culture inconsistencies but they have to be on their a-game for everything else.
Its communism disguising itself as a gamut of other social causes and bunching them up as concurrent interests despite many of them being contradictory and adversarial out of pure interest for power more than any social end goal. Woke is defined by seeing all activism and all social conflict through the lens of a single struggle where the white supremacy/sexism/transphobia/whatever is to give worthless people positions of power so they can "represent" the victim of a perceived offense and take over through what is called a slow march through the institutions. Every time you leave woke people alone for long enough they start talking about marx and socialism.
It's a Buzzword meant to indicate being aware of the hypocrisies in the world. It became a rallying cry against being aware of said hypocrisies.
A product is not bad for being woke. A product is bad for trying to be woke but embracing the same hypocrisies. Wish is an example of this. It tries to present itself as "speaking" against injustices in the real world but the fact is the characters who we are supposed to be rooting for are arguably as bad or as inconsiderate as the ones we're supposed to root against. Thus the Hypocrisy. This is when Woke goes bad because it's performative.
Here is one of them. He appeals to the abstract of social causes having one big undefined unassailable "evil" even though he claims the activism is bad, the end goal is the same.
If Star had been the "prince" of the movie it would have been profitable. People want that traditional prince and princess love story. I don't even care if it's ripping off Stardust, the final movie had absolutely nothing going for it.
Hetero romance in a modern Disney movie? Dream on.
What likely happened was WDAS pitched Star Boy as a nonbinary shapeshifter. Disney said yes to Star Boy and no to nonbinary, so WDAS just said frick it to the love story altogether.
I'm still baffled at how whoever greenlit the final draft of this movie thought Magnífico, a guy who used his powers to make a prosperous kingdom where people from all around the world can live in peace, would somehow be considered a villain just because he chooses not to grant some people's dangerous/pointless wishes.
It reeks of the privileged life the writers have to have had that they don't consider shelter, protection, and food security as things to take for granted rather than something to strive for. Instead, we have our stupid female protagonist mad that the king told her "no" in one instance, and the entire conflict is due to that.
Their parents likely pay for all of their needs, that when they refused to pay for them to attend liberal arts institutions because they want her to be a doctor or lawyer something, she got extremely mad and channeled that one instance into oppression, which gave us Wish.
Why would you watch Wish when you could watch the Puss in Boots or even the one episode from the netflix series that has the exact same concept but done better?
The weird thing is that this shit looked like it was algorithmically-made to be as reference-heavy and brand-heavy as possible; even I'm shocked and left wondering why this shit flopped as hard as it did.
Wish bombing was unfortunate, but incredibly deserved. I'm too lazy to turn this into a WebM, but if they had made the movie in 2D like link related, and made 2 or 3 plot changes, Wish would've been considered a success. 3D is inherently the wrong way to honor the 100 year history of Disney (both the man and the animation studio), especially when considering that all Disney movies have been 2D except for the last 20-ish years.
https://twitter.com/TruicaMadalin/status/1769715182580728017?t=OnB9QWolF5Xa1qFx6na_Iw&s=19
>3D >mystery meat cast >godawful writing >the aesop is so bad the Japanese felt insulted by it >pathetic attempt into tying-up this slop with all the golden age Disney stuff
Encanto won the long game. Still keeps getting new merch to this day. In this case, I doubt Disney+ will do anything for Wish. Encanto managed to form a large fandom because people vibed with the all the characters from the movie, in the case of Wish, the small fandom it has is more interested in b***hing over how they botched Magnifico and Amaya, oh and how Disney cut concept Starboy in favor of a knock off Luma from Mario.
Encanto doesn't have a large fandom but it has SOME fandom. Wish doesn't even have anyone on the Gilfposter.
It reeks of the privileged life the writers have to have had that they don't consider shelter, protection, and food security as things to take for granted rather than something to strive for. Instead, we have our stupid female protagonist mad that the king told her "no" in one instance, and the entire conflict is due to that.
Their parents likely pay for all of their needs, that when they refused to pay for them to attend liberal arts institutions because they want her to be a doctor or lawyer something, she got extremely mad and channeled that one instance into oppression, which gave us Wish.
Which also happens to match the mindset of the creatives who went after brass and started protesting for irrelevant shit, and are now unemployed or running for their lives.
>Which also happens to match the mindset of the creatives who went after brass and started protesting for irrelevant shit, and are now unemployed or running for their lives.
I thought those creatives got promotions. Seems like they're in-line with Disney's political beliefs.
So uhhh... is the producer going to suffer any consequences? or are they just going to get another promotion in two years time?
Very cool how once you have enough nepo connections, you don't just fall upwards, you skyrocket.
In Lee's case it's not nepotism but sexism and literal politics.
She just reminded Disney that firing a "queer PoC" wouldn't "be a good look", and that's enough for her to keep her job.
Lee is white and married to Doc Oct. The only card she has is the woman card, which is the most common card in the game of the oppression Olympics.
They are VPs at Disney. There's no where for them to be promoted to.
They're vulnerable at the corporate level. Current CEO has given the current creative team backing, possibly until frozen 3, but there's a proxy fight on, and new CEO absolutely would make a change on creative.
I am so worried about Frozen III. Whatever the story is, it's got Lee's approval, which means it's certified shit.
Disney brass isn't nearly as gung ho as the rank and file are. Also,criticizing your boss is always a risk. The lower levels got kicked in the nuts. Higher levels got to stay.
>I am so worried about Frozen III
I"m not. I'm expecting a bomb. And if I'm wrong, then that's great too.
How the frick does Disney just absorb loss after loss? Do their parks make that much money they can burn all their money in shit movies?
I have no fricking idea why their stock is so high despite bomb after bomb. I guess proxy wars make shareholders horny.
Inertia, and decades of winning. Consider how long it's taking IDW to die off. They can frick up for a full decade more and still not die.
I feel like when Moana II bombs, that's Disney's fire alarm because if a sequel to one of the most-viewed movie on their streaming service fails, they're fricked.
I'm really curious how their beloved movie sequels will do. They will likely suffer from the same rot that affects their other movies, but can their brand name alone save it?
We'll see with Inside Out 2. I don't expect it to fail, but it's basically over if it does.
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I think Inside Out 2 will make a profit but it won't meet the box office of the first. It would be a modest success. It's gonna hurt though when Moana 2 bombs though because it'll tell Disney even franchises aren't safe bets. There's pretty much no safe bets for Disney anymore.
They are VPs at Disney. There's no where for them to be promoted to.
They're vulnerable at the corporate level. Current CEO has given the current creative team backing, possibly until frozen 3, but there's a proxy fight on, and new CEO absolutely would make a change on creative.
>Hilariously overbudget by at least 100 million >Ugly character designs >Bait by saying you considered 2d just for the 100th, then publicly trash 2d animation in interviews about it pivoting straight to CGI >Change cool looking star prince into a non-binary blob >Literally looks half-rendered >Laughably terrible songs >Unlikable protagonists >Asha throws a tantrum just because she was told no >Script half-assed and probably went through "revisions" 2 months before debut to be the most corporate-controlled product imaginable >Literally such a terrible plot it makes the villain look entirely right in his actions >Queen looks like a sociopath >Tries to tie in every prior film at the last second >Can't even get end credits right of the "celebration" of Disney films in chronological order and skips things like both Rescuers and most package >This is the trash they put out for their 100th
I've never seen a film deserve to bomb as much as this, if this amount of loss for a 100th anniversary princess film doesn't change who is running this shit nothing will
>How the frick does Disney just absorb loss after loss?
Doesn't matter if the company isn't "profitable" on paper. As long as everyone with a voice in decision making is raking in their millions, the company can slowly burn to death for all anyone cares. But I mean Disney still has positive EPS. Its not even in slash and burn territory yet.
Wish was fricked from its conception. The artists at Disney tried to salvage it but it was Lee's magnum opus since she couldn't kill off Elsa in Frozen II.
racemixanon's schizo theory about white men not being allowed to take ethnic chicks to endgame as the main characters seems more and more true with every passing day tbh. It's approaching the "Ginger Erasure" level of evidence.
My biggest problem is how Disney refuses to die. I miss the days when before Little Mermaid was released the situation for Disney was if Little Mermaid fails the animation studio is closed forever.
But sadly we live in an era were the following films can fail...
Frozen 3 and 4
Zootopia 2
Moana 2
Toy Story 5
Inside Out 2
Elio
And Disney will be fine. They are NOT in danger. Nothing can kill israeli Disney. Not even a fricking shit for brains like Jennifer Lee and her homosexual coworker that homosexual man. They will continue to make horrible ideas and they will remain in business.
>But sadly we live in an era were the following films can fail... >Frozen 3 and 4
Honestly if Disney manage to make fricking Frozen flop then I will be genuinely worried about their future. This is the safest cashcow for toddlers after Minions.
My goodness. It's crazy how many rewrites this movie went through. One I heard was that Magnifico was originally going to be revealed as a fallen star.
I'm not rooting for teams. I am just looking for shit that isn't complete garbage at this point. Hell, fricking Nimona was better than Disney's output that year.
If a woke movie bombs, I will attribute it's failure on wokeness.
If a woke movie dominates, I will not attribute it's success on wokeness.
If an anti-woke movie bombs, I will not attribute it's failure on anti-wokeness.
If an anti-woke movie dominates, I will attribute it's success on anti-wokeness.
If you want an honest answer, a good way to make something Woke but not fail is attach it to an already big property. "Too big to fail" sort of thing. This is precisely why those ideologically motivated try to push these elements on already established characters and franchises.
Woke isn't a total sum game. It applies a malus but you can still make it if you have other things going your way, in these cases huge brand reconition. There are also varying degrees of wokeness, in the Mario movie for example the only woke thing is Peach, but she doesn't mess the main story up or make it revolve around her, so the woke level is actually pretty low.
I hated how low scale the whole thing was, the big powerful city felt like a country side hamlet with 5 people in it.
People wishes were mundane and small
Villain tantrum was equally mundane and small
the evil magic felt WEAK AS FRICK, like the projectiles felt like water baloons, and the "paralysis vines" could be broken by a fricking crippled fat girl.
The resoution also solves nothing, giving the power to someone else, just set a new time bomb for the future
And visually it was nothing special, even the Black Cauldron had more memorable money shots
First, Pokemon's Anime remove Ash in the same Generation based on Spain; which caused a decline of the anime's ratings.
Now, Disney's movie for its centenary, based on Spain, is a total bomb. This wouldn't have happened if they had tried to do it with heart, like Walt Disney used to do.
hardly any movie with a budget of $200+ million (not including marketing costs) were profitable in 2023, in fact i think only one movie was actually profitable, Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
>walk through my local Walmart every now and then >always a big Wish stand out in front of the toy area >stand has been there since right before the movie came out >always 100% full, no missing toys at all, no parents looking at the stand, nothing
Still completely baffled Disney's super-duper-special anniversary movie was as bad as it was. >set in Spain at first but Spaniards got offended at how fricked Disney got it so they panicked and made it into some made-up fantasy land, dropping the demographic and the Disney "make movies solely to represent a nation's culture" thing entirely >Disney spent all that time coming up with some fancy new special screen filter, only to have it be so subtle you can only see it in GOOD theaters and properly calibrated 4k TVs, and even then it looks like shit I could throw together in Blender in 20 minutes >entire plot is so fricked nobody can agree on the point of all of it >full of subtle and overt references to past classic Disney movies, but the reception is mixed between "offended" and "didn't notice" >literally nobody cares about the MC or the not-Luma, let alone remembers the names of literally any characters >no big musical hits like Let It Go that are popular enough to bleed into radio/TV >marketing flopped so bad the commercials stopped within a week or two >close to zero kids wearing Wish merch >not even the goat was cared about by any quirky Twitter women like the other animal mascots
That's only the production Cost.
You have to consider also the cost of advertising and Theaters take a considerable % of ticket sales.
Normally a movie must double it's initial budget to break even.
Haven't seen it yet, but the soundtrack popped up randomly while I was listening to Disney music with kids
>Songs sound like someone took generic orchestral Disney music and added some off theme hip hop, R&B elements to it >A lot of them sound like 'oh, this is like this other Disney song, but the other song is better' >Could practically hear a Disney executive in the background going 'No! More like Lin Manuel Miranda! Copy him more! Do raps! Anyone can do raps!' >Look up who did the soundtrack >A literal who, only claim to fame is shockingly brief American Idol stint, holy crap why did you hand your animation tent pole over to this noob >A guy who has worked on a surprising amount of stuff, but when you look closer he's like the back up 3rd string contributing lyric suggester or its filler background tracks for things not known for being musicals >Both of them are the whitest white people who ever whited >Disney Executive: "NO! WRITE MORE ETHNIC! MORE RAPS! WHY CAN'T YOU WRITE RAPS? HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HIP HOP!? HIP HOP IS MUSIC AND ALL MUSIC IS THE SAME! WHY CAN'T YOU BE LIN MANUEL MIRANDA? LIN MANUEL MIRANDA WROTE LETS NOT TALK ABOUT BRUNO! DO THAT! WRITE DON'T TALK ABOUT BRUNO! BUT NEW! BUT NOT TOO NEW!"
Like, dude, just hire Lin Manuel Miranda if you want Lin Manuel Miranda. He seems totally happy to be this generations Alan Menken. I dunno what you expected from the guys who did the music for Brother Bear 2.
>Like, dude, just hire Lin Manuel Miranda if you want Lin Manuel Miranda. He seems totally happy to be this generations Alan Menken. I dunno what you expected from the guys who did the music for Brother Bear 2.
Disney apparently approached the Lopezes and Lin Manuel Miranda for this project but both parties declined when they learned they only had three months to write all the music. The real question is why did Disney only give them three months? Was production that fricked up?
>le reddit
>le seething
Do people genuinely use "le"? I thought it stopped alongside rage comics.
I do, all the time
Are you French pr chance?
you can't say perchance
And nobody cares.
I care Is it out on D+ yet?
And they'll lose it again with Inside Out 2.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Define "sad."
hello, chatGPT
I don't think that anyone actually cared about this movie
Least of all the people who made it!
Go woke go broke
Go broke, get woke, ultimately CROAK.
This. Companies that go woke are already broke and out of ideas. Hence the desperate tactic of getting woke. And the problem is that once you welcome woke freaks inside your companies and studios you can't stop it so you have to watch how the company dies from the inside out. Not that any of these executives, CEOs, etc are innocent they are well in on the scam.
All they had to do was go out of their Tangled comfort zone for one second and really think about the company's history, but the moment they decided "2d animation is too hardddd, I want my easy CG" it was over:
https://www.ign.com/articles/wish-filmmakers-considered-going-full-2d-for-disneys-100th-anniversary-heres-why-they-didnt
>Walt Disney Animation Studios Chief Creative Officer and Wish executive producer/writer Jennifer Lee told IGN in a recent interview that in the early stages of development several years ago, using traditional 2d animation was seriously discussed.
>“What happens in hand-drawn is that you have the incredible hand of the artist, but also limitations in what you could do on screen,” Lee explained. “What happened in CG is you'd have incredible, boundless opportunities, visually, that elevated it — even to the point for some — into realism"
>Lee admitted that even after they committed to using computer animation to make Wish, they did consider using traditional animation to bring the character Star to life. Ultimately, she said 2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.
Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico was a secondary problem since they didn't adjust the writing properly, and turning Star from a love interest to just a generic cute critter was likely a mistake in hindsight because you'd at least be able to catch the women audience.
>Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico was a secondary problem since they didn't adjust the writing properly
Found the source for Lee's refusal of female villains:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/nov/09/dad-who-watched-frozen-50-times-prepares-for-sequel-tom-lamont
>Before the first Frozen, I asked myself: what did I wish had been there for me as a child? And it was a heroine who was not perfect, who struggled, who wasn’t good or evil, and wasn’t pitted against other women.
It's a bit of reading between the lines, but there really is no reason to say the last part other than if she was pushing a feminist agenda. Being flawed, struggling, and morally dubious are all related to the character, but the "wasn't putted against other women" is not relevant in characterization. It's an artificial limitation.
Samegay. One of Frozen's celebrated subversions was of how it depicted romance "realistically". It didn't; all it did was make fun of people watching a Disney movie expecting it to play out as a Disney movie. But that's beside the point I want to make. While Frozen treats romantic relationships with more realism than Snow White or Sleeping Beauty, it also made a sisterly relationship too fantastical, unironically romanticized it. Elsa and Anna are nowhere near a realistic relationship between sisters and depicting them as perfect for each other Disney is just falling into the same fantasy that Disney films were criticized for in the first place. Realistic relationships should apply to all the relationships in the story.
They deleted all the things that made it "realistic."
>9 years ago
Well yes, writers who focus more on personal philosophy than the actual storytelling always make annoying shit.
>And it was a heroine who was not perfect, who struggled, who wasn’t good or evil, and wasn’t pitted against other women.
Mulan?
Also.
>who wasn’t good or evil
What did she mean by this?
She was trying to copy Miyazaki anime and that's why it sucked
Hiring women like this to make movies is the single biggest factor in everything turning to shit
It's not just women. The reason modern entertainment is shit is because it's created by shitty women and loser simps. These two extremely shitty subhumans are the reason for why entertainment has become trash incarnate.
If all of the people making this movie had white skin and blue eyes it wouldn't have flopped.
Please be in junior high or high school. If you're legally considered an adult, it would simply be too pathetic.
The people who made this movie are white burdened with the guilt of their ancestors.
That won't happen until Disney fires Jennifer Lee. Really, they need to clean house of all the current creators who care more about doling social justice as part of their pseudo-religious crusade instead of telling a good story.
So in other words, wish was made with her as the only target audience.
It was made to check all the boxes needed to please the Twitter crowd. A black Latinx girl with no talent and is completely selfless (at least what the movie told us) overthrows the white straight popular Christian male patriarchy with her misfit friends of many shapes, sizes, colors, and genders. There's no romance for the heroine or else that makes her less of an independent woman and the only heteronormative relationship showcased ends with the wife initiating divorce.
its Latina you homosexual gaymerican
>boundless opportunities, visually, that elevated it — even to the point for some — into realism
>buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, OH MY GOSH REALISM
can we please fricking fire all these people ruining hollywood and start from the ground up
They're not getting fired because the executives in charge LIKE what these shitty activists are making. For god's sake look at how Seth Rogen's Ninja Turtles movie did not do good at the box office and Nickelodeon rewarded Seth Rogen with more budget money to make MORE of his Ninja Turtles media. I'm telling you the big bosses in charge LIKE this shit show. That's why these horrible employees keep getting work and budget money.
>activists
Not even that; if they were activists, they'd put workers above execs.
>drawings that are completely up to the artists' imaginations aren't as flexible as 3D models
what
Meaning it's easier for clueless executives to demand changes at the last minute.
Remember what happened to The Black Cauldron after Katzenberg and Eisner took over?
No, but I'm a fricking casual.
They tried demanding edits and reshoots like it was live action film, and when told animation can't be changed like that, they threatened to just yank something like 15 minutes of the film where they saw fit to trim it down.
That really is the only real advantage of CGI over traditional animation, being able to make more changes quicker and more smoothly if they REALLY have to, like minor changes to a character model ad stuff; instead of having to adjust every frame, they can just change the model and do some slight adjustments if needed. Like what happened with the Sonic movie and stuff.
But traditional, hand draw animation is amazing and truly a work of art that requires a lot of effort and passion, and Wish should definitely have used it instead of leaning into 3D.
A charismatic evil queen would've been incredibly successful with audiences.
Yea an evil queen manipulation of a powerful but naive king would have been interesting.
Jennifer Lee got Lucky with Frozen not because she's a wealth of talent.
Yet because she's part of the clique they'll keep betting on her.
Fricking hell.
Frozen was only popular because let it go. Jennifer Lee owes her entire career to the frozen songwriters and Idena Menzel's performance.
It's also because to quote South Park Mickey Mouse..
Little Girls are fricking STUPID!!!
That's the true reason for why Frozen became The Calling of a Generation. Well a generation of stupid little girls. I hope those girls, who are now starting college are fricking brutalized by reality and pumped and dumped off their asses and thrown away like used up sperm toilets. That's what the Frozen generation deserves. And it's what they are getting remember the first Frozen is ten years old so at least some of these now modern bawds have aged enough to get into college and started the process of ruining their own lives. Hope this continues for all fans of Frozen.
Tangled was arguably the beginning of the end for Disney.
To further elaborate, Bolt and Robinsons were solid films. (Chicken Little was okay, but it's not as bad as most people make it out to be.)
I agree with you. I always hated Tangled as well, but the reason Frozen in particular annoys me is because it did become Frozen Mania a phenomenon.
And I still remember how depressed and miserable certain employees at Disney stores looked because you could tell they were TIRED of hearing the song Let It Go while they worked. And I feel sorry for mothers and fathers who also got sick and tired of listening to that shitty song about celebrating abandoning your responsibilities. God awful moral.
If Elsa was the one who got "impaled", it would've been the perfect film.
>I still remember how depressed and miserable certain employees at Disney stores looked because you could tell they were TIRED of hearing the song Let It Go while they worked
I always preferred Fixer-Upper.
I'll be honest, I prefer Disney movies without songs. (Post-Ashman/Menkin, that is.)
Tangled was the last traditional Disney Princess film. We need more films like Tangled.
>2D put too many limitations on the camera angles
>the entire movie is mid shots
This is what you get for putting women in charge.
Even if Wish used the prototype idea of the villain power couple and the homosexual wishing star being human Wish would STILL be shit. So tired of idiots pretending the original draft was ever a good idea.
It'd have avoided some of the more egregious moments like
and at least been able to try and carry itself on character writing. Though I concede that, given Lee's incompetence, it probably wouldn't have been "good", just possibly able to achieve mediocrity.
>Refusing to let the queen be evil alongside Magnifico
She is evil. The problem is that the movie treats her as a hero when she's nothing of the sort. b***h had anti evil ointment and refused to tell her husband this. That b***h was trying to become the single monarch of the kingdom. And Asha gave her an opportunity to get rid of her husband. The Queen is EVIL.
2D doesn't have limitations. They just didn't want to pay the artists to animate the fricking story and just use assets in 3D to be cheap.
I honestly would've been fine with CG had they went the Paperman route, but NOOOOOOOOO
>2D
>limitations in what you could do on screen
Ha?
>What happened in CG is you have incredible, boundless opportunities, visually, that elevated it
Yeah, stuff that you also can do in 2D
>2D had too many limitations in terms of camera movements and characterization.
This is just fricking cope.
>2D had too many limitations in terms () characterization.
You asked chat gpt to generate this nonense, right?
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>Le buzzwords
>doesn’t object to the observation, just the language used
Geez, even wokies are at the stage they're accepting woke keeps going broke…
My wish is that Disney goes bankrupt.
At least fricking link the original source you got this from on reddit incase people want to confirm it or read more information you lazy sack of shit. That's how human beings act instead of Black folk.
Gotcha
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1bj8455/wish_ended_up_losing_an_estimated_230m_for_disney/
Go back
Learn how to Google, lazy
Deserved, stop it with the bullshit and go back to basics, start adapting fairytale classics with no bullshit pandering
It was a very interesting business move for Disney to make a wish.com knock-off Disney movie.
It's crazy how everyone is just witness to this massive corporations losing hundreds of millions a year and everyone there is just shrugging "there was just no way to avoid this"
A child could navigate Disney back to consistently insane profitability
If Disney brings in any children for focus testing their products, they're very likely children of employees that have imbued their family with DEI ideology and are programmed to say what the parents want them to say like "the girl is black and there aren't any black dolls". The children approve of the product because their parents tell them they have to and there's no real excitement for the products. It's very the Skinner meme.
What the frick are you talking about?
I swear we've gotten to a point that most of this website believes that their thoughts determine reality. You can just make shit up and it magically becomes true. It's the only explanation for why so many of you are so deranged.
And that point was 10 years ago.
What about Teenage Kraken, Kung fu Panda 4 or Megamind 2?
The issue remains you've got a bunch of people who are being overly cautious of offending people when the fact is gayS LOVE DISNEY VILLAINS.
They get the best lines, they get the best songs, they used to get the best moments but now everything has to be safe and bland and to be sure nobody gets offended by having zero media literacy
No one wants to watch a boring straight white guy be the villain against a cast of ethnically and physically diverse losers because WE GET THAT ENOUGH IRL
Funny leftypol tourist cope
>tourist
Holy projection.
Hearing about Disney losing money is more enjoyable than the content they're putting out now.
Wario is my role model.
I was going to say the same thing with Nintendo but at least they make fun games.
>gif
That's the beautiful part. Nintendo IS Disney's replacement. I find it hilarious that Mario's creator said he hopes one day Mario is as popular as Mickey Mouse. That happened as soon as Mario debuted in his first Mario Bros game. No one likes Mickey Mouse who is lame.
And Nintendo is about to kick Disney's ass next year with Florida's Nintendo Land theme park. Nintendo has all the makings of permanently replacing Disney. In fact Nintendo is so smart they intentionally SHUT DOWN their California offices. That's how you know they are serious about maintaining their quality and to keep expanding their empire. No shitty infiltrating israelites ruining Nintendo from the inside out.
I like Mickey Mouse...
The fact that Disney doesn't use him for anything worthwhile anymore doesn't make Mickey bad.
>they intentionally SHUT DOWN their California offices
they did? holy fricking based more company's need to do this
The main issue Nintendo will have is they will never take risks
Even Nintendo World isn’t a risk. They didn’t buy the land, build the park, hedge for it and hope it pays off. They instead just piggybacked off a bigger company in Comcast and licensed their brand out to them so it can be propped up with Harry Potter.
Disney is in the scenario it’s in where it can coast off its prior success because Walt took risks. An animation studio making a theme park was an insane risk but it pulled off spectacularly, they own the land and what they build and license and that keeps it together in the long run. Even Snow White was a risk but that’s bit different
Nintendo isn’t showing me they can hedge against when the Nintendo brand and characters eventually decline in popularity like all do and what will keep it going
Don't forget that Super Nintendo World only came about after the failure of the Wii U with Nintendo deciding they need to try and branch out their IPs into more than just games again.
See anon exactly
Sega was on top of the world in the console game and within 2 console failures after backed out entirely and is now solely known for blue hedgehog deviantart autism
Wii U failed but Switch saved them. They very well could decline rapidly and cut off making consoles which will slowly start fading them into irrelevance. This can happen quicker then people think
>within 2 console failures after backed out entirely
Yeah having those two fail in a row tanked them immensely.
Nintendo having the huge success of the Wii allowed them to more or less tank the failure of the Wii U (I think I read somewhere that Nintendo could have kept the Wii U going for another seven years and still be in the green) while Sony basically dropped support of the Vita quickly in order to ensure the PS4's launch years didn't end up like the PS3.
Imagine if they had actually made a new 2D animated film for the anniversary.
It might have still flopped but at least it would have been worthy of respect.
When will they realize that what they're doing right now is bad and they won't magically get people to like it? Whatever happened to the Tangled-Moana era storytelling/artstyle? Why don't they just stick to what works?
It stops working after a while.
A lot of their shit coming out now was in development during the Trump era and during the era where Disney was at the top of the box office. They thought they can do no wrong, so all of the shit coming out now is from the "good times create weak content" phase, and they're all bombing together.
We have to wait until the next production cycle to really see if Disney learned their lesson, but with how deep the DEI infection has gotten, I think they may never recover.
Disney fired John Lasseter and promoted Jennifer Lee. Lasseter was pretty much Walt Disney. Lee let the circus take over.
>Lasseter was pretty much Walt Disney.
I wouldn't go that far.
Closest person we got to Walt since Walt. He pioneered computer animation and Toy Story is as monumental as Snow White was. He's the reason why people still go on the Jungle Cruise. Firing John for being a hugger would be like firing Walt for being a smoker.
He did a bit more than hug, but some people are the touchy feely types. Really, the problem was hiring women.
Femanon here. It's not a woman problem. It's a feminist problem. That's what you get when you hire someone who is more interested in proselytizing and changing minds instead of entertaining and being the best.
Asha's voice actress is queer and if it weren't for Disney being desperate to not be controversial in the slightest they would've had the actress constantly saying Asha is queer like her in interviews.
Henson had the chops, but rip.
>Femanon here
You will never be a woman.
>Femanon here.
breasts. NOW.
I'm just sad Jim Henson died before he could become Disney's Creative Officer.
I"m not sure if it was all Lasseter, but when he left, Disney went maximum nuts on activist politics, getting into stupid fights, and a bunch of other talented people left for other places.
practically speaking,
Are you seeing ANY movie ads? They bombarbed this movie on every vector available. I suppose if your adblock game is strong, you might miss some of it, but here, they had tieins with Target, bus ads, billboards, as well as paid placements. You'd have to skip youtube entirely to avoid paid content. They had the ads running continuously in Wendys.
Maybe it's a freak thing where you live?
The closest living equivalent of Walt is George Lucas. Because he was a billionaire CEO filmmaker, and he helped pioneer 3D animation and special effects.
If you still have any doubts, watch this video.
>Interviewer: Are you indebted to George for life?
>Lasseter: Always. Yes.
I wonder how much of this can be blamed on TV advertising no longer really existing for media and video games?
I mean, I never seen a single commercial for a new video game or movie or tv show anymore. I know there's a lot of people don't really watch tv anymore, but still.
That would affect it to. The internet, for all its interconnectedness, is much more isolating than television. I've never seen a single ad for any of these movies or shows or games because I have ads blocked, but even on Twitch, I still don't see any.
Disney is marketing the movie on pineapples. It was fricking everywhere. The problem was 100% the movie, not the marketing.
>Sad
Not my problem. That's what they get for being evil boomers that need to dictate how we are suppose to enjoy entertainment. The writers and artists of this movie knew how to make a good movie, Disney suits didn't.
That's what you get for letting an AI write your script.
AI isn't that terrible, unless they were using AI from like 2016 or some shit.
Tell that to Glasgow.
Does this mean we can go back to making white girls or white dudes the main protagonists again?
No. You think that's the lesson Disney will learn? They will check with their DEI consultation, and they will see that the problem is that Asha was not trans or a lesbian, so that's what their next focus should be.
Meet the robinsons felt like a better anniversary film than Wish and it came out 20 years ago!
>"Sad news"
More like great news. Keep up the bombing movies so I can see the Disney Empire turn into dust.
I Hope that Weinstein's personal assistant Star Wars TV show fails.
You don't have to hope. It will fail. Every Star Wars show has fewer viewership than the last, and it's not getting any better.
They can hide behind the streaming fog all they want. It's a failure.
>You don't have to hope. It will fail. Every Star Wars show has fewer viewership than the last, and it's not getting any better.
It's honestly kind of magical like.
>Cool space western with a strong silent male lead with legitimate emotional depth and a strong love of his traditional culture and honorable conduct + ripping off Wolf and Cub in grand cowboy tradition with a marketable cute thing.
>Focus on Jedi-adjacent viewpoints and have a bit of grit.
>Make fricking gangbusters
>Try to force in a shitty female character who the entire point of said character is that she's an egotistical, morally bankrupt opportunist who can't walk the walk and start shilling her, derailing the actual lead's narrative arc
>Go whole hog on more Dennings-esque Autismo Jedi shit and allow Filoni to ruin his own characters by overshilling.
>Entire fricking Franchise collapses because you just obliterated the only thing you made that made literally any fricking money in it.
Like actually how. After still failing to make back costs after 5 fricking movies you think they would have like, fricking realized.
Disney movies are written for single women that browse tumblr
>tumblr is still a thing
Sad
>[Sad News]
News is meant to be disseminated objectively and without emotional bias.
>wish
Box office failure.
>strange world
Box office failure.
>encanto
Box office failure.
>raya and the last dragon
Box office failure.
The consensus is in. Consumers want less CGslop and more traditionally animated films.
>Famicom
Audiences want good movies that don't make them feel like shit in the end.
>Wish ended with Rosas in a worse place than it was when the story began.
>Strange World glossed over the fact that now nobody can drive anymore.
>Encanto didn't change anything other than making Mirabel the most important member of the family.
>Raya didn't make a lick of sense with its ambiguous trust message.
Can't we have the villain fall into a volcano and the hero marry the princess in the end?
The trend of animated conflict has pivoted from regular villains to twist villains and now anti-villains.
Can any of you even define what "woke" is supposed to mean? This is it original meaning:
> Black American folk singer-songwriter Huddie Ledbetter, a.k.a. Lead Belly, used the phrase "stay woke" as part of a spoken afterword to a 1938 recording of his song "Scottsboro Boys", which tells the story of nine black teenagers and young men falsely accused of raping two white women in Alabama in 1931.
Is that how you perceive it to be used in cartoon publishing today?
Punitive Progressivism
Ok, and what specifically is "punitive" or "progressive"about Wish?
NTA but it is a story about a light-skinned male building society for everyone regardless of race or creed, granting their wishes, and then being cast down into hell by a diverse mob for the crime of not granting ALL of said wishes. And it’s framed as good and heroic that this was done to him.
and the shaming of spain during the moor invasion
If every character was replaced with different breeds of dogs, and the story was exactly the same, would it no longer be woke?
Anon science has very, very specifically been avoiding talking about the "Question of Dogs" for like 70 fricking years for exactly this fricking reason and I'm pretty sure you damn well fricking know it, don't be that homosexual.
>Anon science has very, very specifically been avoiding talking about the "Question of Dogs" for like 70 fricking years for exactly this fricking reason and I'm pretty sure you damn well fricking know it, don't be that homosexual.
I have no idea what "Question of Dogs" is. Is it the practice of replacing people with dogs to see how the story changes? Because there shouldn't be a Chow-Chow in Medieval Spain.
Assuming you're not being moronic on purpose I guess I can explain.
"The Question of Dogs" is a thorny issue where we just quietly and pointedly ignore the fact that defacto dogbreeds existing and how they work out genetically and physiologically prove a lot of really fricking politically unpleasant things.
"Breed" is along with "Race" one of those technically unscientific categories we just don't talk about correcting ever because of what would happen fricking immediately, in a large part eugenicists were fricking moronic and couldn't separate moral systems from scientific ones.
Technically speaking, they're both subspecies, full stop, a chow chow and a british bulldog are not both Canis Lupus Familiaris, they are separate subspecies of Canis Lupus, Familiaris doesn't fricking exist, it's a fiction and "breeds" are a fiction of a fiction that obscures this fact.
The problem is that if you formally recognize this then we suddenly have two mammalian species one with a long history of scientific testing with a swathe of interfertile subspecies with varied morphological differences among others, and when you have two points of comparison you can actually make meaningful headway into studies. One of which we've shown we can also force to evolve very quickly. Two separate myths and sacred cows, that of stagnant evolution, where evolution takes exclusively "millions of years" and human exceptionalism, "humanity is above/beyond animals due to consciousness", just get fricking slaughtered. The can of worms that is races being defacto subspecies gets opened and the fact that those subspecies can have differing traits of import gets put on the table and for added fun, we have to recognize that evolution is not a gradual process that we can pretend doesn't happen in our or our grandfathers' lifetimes and can infact be forced to happen very fricking quickly if it wants.
So we do not ask the fricking question of dogs. Period.
>I have no idea what "Question of Dogs" is.
It's when you say "Rottweilers were bred to be super violent and aggressive and people agree with that so what's wrong with saying black people are the rottweilers of humanity?"
differentanon here. For someone who cares a great deal about racial politics, you seem clueless about how it's applied. The obvious followup is "are the breeds of dogs racially coded", with the answer being "yes, because that's the current rules for animation VA work".
This line of dialogue is headed towards pol in a handbasket, so don't let it go out of control..
>you seem clueless about how it's applied
Well, that's why I'm asking questions.
Every female character is nonwhite or ambiguous at best, while all the males were white and often depicted as evil or gross. Plus it's set in the Mediterranean during the Medieval period and a fat crippled Asian girl in glasses is the head baker. All this moaning about "authenticity" is empty when they shove in racial and gender diversity in the name of representation. People hate hypocrites.
>authenticity
They're speaking English and casting magic spells, anon.
They hired a staff of about a half dozen people to make sure their magic spells arent' racist or culturally insensitive.
They probably hired a consultant on how to respect box braids.
They ignore that part. They're more worried about if the tile work in a background looks like it was made with materials available to people in Medieval Spain at the time.
>They ignore that part. They're more worried about if the tile work in a background looks like it was made with materials available to people in Medieval Spain at the time.
>They probably hired a consultant on how to respect box braids.
Talk to the people who were the cultural sensitivity consultants. Their roughly the left's equivalent of the baptist ultra christgays that give approval to shit that will get protested by the left.
And yet there will still be something to piss someone off. I think Wish actually managed to avoid any social criticism by sacrificing everything else.
>I think Wish actually managed to avoid any social criticism by sacrificing everything else.
I would say it's a common failure mode in woke shit, or attempts to do so. I mean look at the shit Princess and the Frog had to deal with, with people simultaniously arguing the prince NEEDED to be black, and that it was ok for him to be multiracial.
And the result was that they spent more than half the movie as frogs in the swamp. Can't have pesky human racist problems there when you're green.
I'm not taking you too seriously, but they spent more time getting racial and cultural depections politicall correct than they did making the villian's actions make any fricking sense at all.
I learned that shit from Aaron Mcgruder.
So, yes. Uncle Rukkus taught me what "woke" means. Believe it or not, the racist shit you see isn't just a lack of understanding and cultural exposure. Kannamean?
>Woke
Overcompensation, not representation
It might be coincidental, but for WDAS it lines up perfectly to when Lee assumed power.
How is this film overcompensating in its representation? Is there more than just the lead being a woman who's black/brown?
See
That's the dumbest thing of all! Jennifer Lee is such a an idiot she managed to unintentionally write her black Latinx heroine as a self-righteous, demanding b***h that breaks into a house to steal property that were fully acquired with consent.
There is NO way it's a coincidence. Lasseter leaves. Company has to be hypervigilant about the "old boys" network, and guys being holywood sex fiends. Lee is hot because of Frozen. Very progressive, but her office politic friends are even more so. You can track the changes in hiring, and the change in political activism to the same time.
The office politics match 100 percent.
Bioshock: Wish edition would have been better than what we got.
Believing that all inequality is the result of a system designed to benefit a certain category of person, and that all members of that category are working, subconsciously or consciously, to oppress other categories, and that the system must be opposed by force in every facet of life
It's a Buzzword meant to indicate being aware of the hypocrisies in the world. It became a rallying cry against being aware of said hypocrisies.
A product is not bad for being woke. A product is bad for trying to be woke but embracing the same hypocrisies. Wish is an example of this. It tries to present itself as "speaking" against injustices in the real world but the fact is the characters who we are supposed to be rooting for are arguably as bad or as inconsiderate as the ones we're supposed to root against. Thus the Hypocrisy. This is when Woke goes bad because it's performative.
thats helpful, thanks anon
Bingo.
Woke is basically synonymous with virtue signalling. It's empty gestures blown up to be as if they're really changing the world. No, you made a movie. If you want to make a difference, join Greenpeace or some shit.
For instance, all businesses will go rainbow for June except in countries where homosexuality is illegal. If they're not willing to support the cause universally, they're posers.
>Greenpeace
You mean the guys almost single handedly behind why there's a climate crisis AND an energy crisis because they fricked over Nuclear Power by being lying morons.
I partially agree with you but theres a ridiculous bias there. There's a progressive shift in a change of the definitions, eg, colorblind equity vs continuous active institutional level change in an attempt to fix historical inequity. The difference between anti racist and not being racist in the Stephen Universe PSAs..
Notice the anons who think that the "woke" versions of things are actively racist.
Calling a rejection of anti-racist, as in the political movement's ideals, pro ignorance or pro racist is riddiculous.
However followup on this topic is straight up pol vs leftypol.
There is NO way they would allow magic to match any existing religious symbols, particularly cabbalist israeli traditions or sufi muslim ones, or christgay ones.
>There is NO way they would allow magic to match any existing religious symbols, particularly cabbalist israeli traditions or sufi muslim ones, or christgay ones.
That's why the cultural consultants are there. They ignore the language and social culture inconsistencies but they have to be on their a-game for everything else.
Its communism disguising itself as a gamut of other social causes and bunching them up as concurrent interests despite many of them being contradictory and adversarial out of pure interest for power more than any social end goal. Woke is defined by seeing all activism and all social conflict through the lens of a single struggle where the white supremacy/sexism/transphobia/whatever is to give worthless people positions of power so they can "represent" the victim of a perceived offense and take over through what is called a slow march through the institutions. Every time you leave woke people alone for long enough they start talking about marx and socialism.
Here is one of them. He appeals to the abstract of social causes having one big undefined unassailable "evil" even though he claims the activism is bad, the end goal is the same.
no, I'll just murder parasites and their golem pig slaves. have fun living in the judeo matrix.
Can you define my dick in your mouth you pedantic homosexual?
Watch out world here you aren't!
another record for Disney!
Deserved. They had solid gold in their hands and still managed to frick it up.
At least the music was great.
If Star had been the "prince" of the movie it would have been profitable. People want that traditional prince and princess love story. I don't even care if it's ripping off Stardust, the final movie had absolutely nothing going for it.
Hetero romance in a modern Disney movie? Dream on.
What likely happened was WDAS pitched Star Boy as a nonbinary shapeshifter. Disney said yes to Star Boy and no to nonbinary, so WDAS just said frick it to the love story altogether.
Queen should have been the true villain hiding behind noble king that just seemed bad and star should have been a tomboy
The movie literally looked AI generated.
thats because it is
A real shame it won't suffer the same fate as Treasure Planet or Atlantis: The Lost Empire for this.
And somehow, Jennifer Lee still has a job- the Kathleen Kennedy of Disney animation
I'm still baffled at how whoever greenlit the final draft of this movie thought Magnífico, a guy who used his powers to make a prosperous kingdom where people from all around the world can live in peace, would somehow be considered a villain just because he chooses not to grant some people's dangerous/pointless wishes.
This is what happens when you turn being a narcissistic twat into a socio-political identity.
It reeks of the privileged life the writers have to have had that they don't consider shelter, protection, and food security as things to take for granted rather than something to strive for. Instead, we have our stupid female protagonist mad that the king told her "no" in one instance, and the entire conflict is due to that.
Their parents likely pay for all of their needs, that when they refused to pay for them to attend liberal arts institutions because they want her to be a doctor or lawyer something, she got extremely mad and channeled that one instance into oppression, which gave us Wish.
Why would you watch Wish when you could watch the Puss in Boots or even the one episode from the netflix series that has the exact same concept but done better?
I have seen more fanart of Asha and Starboy than fanart of the movie itself. That should tell you what went wrong.
From the circles of the writers and creatives i was ajacent to, he was white, and against people getting wishes, and against the people's revolution.
Eh, only if you count Starboy and Magnifico too. Which should totally count. Korea and Japan really go for that dude.
The weird thing is that this shit looked like it was algorithmically-made to be as reference-heavy and brand-heavy as possible; even I'm shocked and left wondering why this shit flopped as hard as it did.
Wish bombing was unfortunate, but incredibly deserved. I'm too lazy to turn this into a WebM, but if they had made the movie in 2D like link related, and made 2 or 3 plot changes, Wish would've been considered a success. 3D is inherently the wrong way to honor the 100 year history of Disney (both the man and the animation studio), especially when considering that all Disney movies have been 2D except for the last 20-ish years.
https://twitter.com/TruicaMadalin/status/1769715182580728017?t=OnB9QWolF5Xa1qFx6na_Iw&s=19
no its incredibly fortunate given how aimless and soulless it is
GO WOKE
>3D
>mystery meat cast
>godawful writing
>the aesop is so bad the Japanese felt insulted by it
>pathetic attempt into tying-up this slop with all the golden age Disney stuff
>>the aesop is so bad the Japanese felt insulted by it
kek, what?
Translation issue I guess. The fable. The moral.
No, I mean, I know what an aesop is, I was just wondering what would make specifically Japan lose their shit about it
Everything I've seen of this movie from trailers to ads looked so lame. Not surprising that no one bothered to watch it.
Encanto won the long game. Still keeps getting new merch to this day. In this case, I doubt Disney+ will do anything for Wish. Encanto managed to form a large fandom because people vibed with the all the characters from the movie, in the case of Wish, the small fandom it has is more interested in b***hing over how they botched Magnifico and Amaya, oh and how Disney cut concept Starboy in favor of a knock off Luma from Mario.
Encanto doesn't have a large fandom but it has SOME fandom. Wish doesn't even have anyone on the Gilfposter.
Which also happens to match the mindset of the creatives who went after brass and started protesting for irrelevant shit, and are now unemployed or running for their lives.
>Which also happens to match the mindset of the creatives who went after brass and started protesting for irrelevant shit, and are now unemployed or running for their lives.
I thought those creatives got promotions. Seems like they're in-line with Disney's political beliefs.
In Lee's case it's not nepotism but sexism and literal politics.
Lee is white and married to Doc Oct. The only card she has is the woman card, which is the most common card in the game of the oppression Olympics.
I am so worried about Frozen III. Whatever the story is, it's got Lee's approval, which means it's certified shit.
Disney brass isn't nearly as gung ho as the rank and file are. Also,criticizing your boss is always a risk. The lower levels got kicked in the nuts. Higher levels got to stay.
>I am so worried about Frozen III
I"m not. I'm expecting a bomb. And if I'm wrong, then that's great too.
Inertia, and decades of winning. Consider how long it's taking IDW to die off. They can frick up for a full decade more and still not die.
I feel like when Moana II bombs, that's Disney's fire alarm because if a sequel to one of the most-viewed movie on their streaming service fails, they're fricked.
I'm really curious how their beloved movie sequels will do. They will likely suffer from the same rot that affects their other movies, but can their brand name alone save it?
We'll see with Inside Out 2. I don't expect it to fail, but it's basically over if it does.
I think Inside Out 2 will make a profit but it won't meet the box office of the first. It would be a modest success. It's gonna hurt though when Moana 2 bombs though because it'll tell Disney even franchises aren't safe bets. There's pretty much no safe bets for Disney anymore.
So uhhh... is the producer going to suffer any consequences? or are they just going to get another promotion in two years time?
Very cool how once you have enough nepo connections, you don't just fall upwards, you skyrocket.
She just reminded Disney that firing a "queer PoC" wouldn't "be a good look", and that's enough for her to keep her job.
they need to rip that band-aid off sooner or later or face financial ruin
They are VPs at Disney. There's no where for them to be promoted to.
They're vulnerable at the corporate level. Current CEO has given the current creative team backing, possibly until frozen 3, but there's a proxy fight on, and new CEO absolutely would make a change on creative.
Good.
>Hilariously overbudget by at least 100 million
>Ugly character designs
>Bait by saying you considered 2d just for the 100th, then publicly trash 2d animation in interviews about it pivoting straight to CGI
>Change cool looking star prince into a non-binary blob
>Literally looks half-rendered
>Laughably terrible songs
>Unlikable protagonists
>Asha throws a tantrum just because she was told no
>Script half-assed and probably went through "revisions" 2 months before debut to be the most corporate-controlled product imaginable
>Literally such a terrible plot it makes the villain look entirely right in his actions
>Queen looks like a sociopath
>Tries to tie in every prior film at the last second
>Can't even get end credits right of the "celebration" of Disney films in chronological order and skips things like both Rescuers and most package
>This is the trash they put out for their 100th
I've never seen a film deserve to bomb as much as this, if this amount of loss for a 100th anniversary princess film doesn't change who is running this shit nothing will
How the frick does Disney just absorb loss after loss? Do their parks make that much money they can burn all their money in shit movies?
I have no fricking idea why their stock is so high despite bomb after bomb. I guess proxy wars make shareholders horny.
Companies take a REALLY long time to die, especially at Disney's size. Even something as small as Rooster Teeth took 21 years to finally fall apart.
>How the frick does Disney just absorb loss after loss?
Doesn't matter if the company isn't "profitable" on paper. As long as everyone with a voice in decision making is raking in their millions, the company can slowly burn to death for all anyone cares. But I mean Disney still has positive EPS. Its not even in slash and burn territory yet.
good
Disney should really go back to the hand drawn animation
Bigger than Black Calderon?
In sheer amounts, Wish is a bigger bomb than Strange World. I'm not sure how to compare it to The Black Cauldron, but it's possibly Disney's worst.
They bet their prestige on Wish. The brand has been damaged.
Wish should have been like Tangled. A traditional 3D Disney Princess film.
Wish was fricked from its conception. The artists at Disney tried to salvage it but it was Lee's magnum opus since she couldn't kill off Elsa in Frozen II.
Get woke go broke
Hey, homosexual.
Why do you care?
It's a shame we didn't get Starboy. Black chicks would've went crazy self inserting as Asha with a magical white boy
racemixanon's schizo theory about white men not being allowed to take ethnic chicks to endgame as the main characters seems more and more true with every passing day tbh. It's approaching the "Ginger Erasure" level of evidence.
Ouch
maybe they'll learn from this and make better movies
My biggest problem is how Disney refuses to die. I miss the days when before Little Mermaid was released the situation for Disney was if Little Mermaid fails the animation studio is closed forever.
But sadly we live in an era were the following films can fail...
Frozen 3 and 4
Zootopia 2
Moana 2
Toy Story 5
Inside Out 2
Elio
And Disney will be fine. They are NOT in danger. Nothing can kill israeli Disney. Not even a fricking shit for brains like Jennifer Lee and her homosexual coworker that homosexual man. They will continue to make horrible ideas and they will remain in business.
>But sadly we live in an era were the following films can fail...
>Frozen 3 and 4
Honestly if Disney manage to make fricking Frozen flop then I will be genuinely worried about their future. This is the safest cashcow for toddlers after Minions.
>Honestly if Disney manage to make fricking Frozen flop
If they make Elsa gay it's over
I keep saying if Disney redeemed Hans and had him hook up with Elsa they can add 10 billion to their bank account.
>Moana 2
I don't see where else they could take the story, there were no loose ends or any lingering issues
>there were no loose ends or any lingering issues
to be fair neither did Toy Story 1 nor any other Pixer movie
there's tons of mythology to exploit. Especially with the ocean+ island setting.
Don't worry, public domain is catching up with their catalog.
Hope Disney dies since all they ever make is anti male media collectively.
My goodness. It's crazy how many rewrites this movie went through. One I heard was that Magnifico was originally going to be revealed as a fallen star.
Tangled only had notoriety mostly for Flynn Ryder appealing to (early) Tumblrites.
I've always thought Post-Shrek 2 Dreamworks was derivative, and this proves my point.
I'm not rooting for teams. I am just looking for shit that isn't complete garbage at this point. Hell, fricking Nimona was better than Disney's output that year.
Based
>i'm trans btw
However, I thought the sequelbait ending was bullshit. Great film otherwise.
Zionist israelites, or Non-Zionist israelites? I'm pretty sure there's a difference.
Spider-verse, Barbie, and Mario are woke and yet they ain't broke, strange....
Shut the frick up and lurk more. Preferably on Cinemaphile or /misc/.
They're all byproducts of a failing Capitalist system. You're being gaslit into thinking that they're all "successes"
If a woke movie bombs, I will attribute it's failure on wokeness.
If a woke movie dominates, I will not attribute it's success on wokeness.
If an anti-woke movie bombs, I will not attribute it's failure on anti-wokeness.
If an anti-woke movie dominates, I will attribute it's success on anti-wokeness.
I am never wrong, everyone else is to blame.
Welcome to the culture wars slowpoke. Now apply intersectionality. Preferably someplace other than here.
If you want an honest answer, a good way to make something Woke but not fail is attach it to an already big property. "Too big to fail" sort of thing. This is precisely why those ideologically motivated try to push these elements on already established characters and franchises.
>Barbie
what does this have to do with us, exactly?
Woke isn't a total sum game. It applies a malus but you can still make it if you have other things going your way, in these cases huge brand reconition. There are also varying degrees of wokeness, in the Mario movie for example the only woke thing is Peach, but she doesn't mess the main story up or make it revolve around her, so the woke level is actually pretty low.
I will draw Mickey pooping on Shrek's mouth while jerking off to CP once that happens.
In retrospect, maybe he should have charged them rent.
Finally a little justice in the world
I hated how low scale the whole thing was, the big powerful city felt like a country side hamlet with 5 people in it.
People wishes were mundane and small
Villain tantrum was equally mundane and small
the evil magic felt WEAK AS FRICK, like the projectiles felt like water baloons, and the "paralysis vines" could be broken by a fricking crippled fat girl.
The resoution also solves nothing, giving the power to someone else, just set a new time bomb for the future
And visually it was nothing special, even the Black Cauldron had more memorable money shots
>calculations done by some literal who
Oh, must be right then.
Welp, I guess no one wants original movies anymore. Better greenlight 20 more live action remakes
I'm not worried as long as Nintendo stays based in Japan.
Frozen II already did a lot of damage. Notice how none of the new merchandise features anything from the sequel.
NONONONO
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!
I CUT MY wiener OFF BECAUSE I WAS ASSURED I WAS HECKIN VALID, HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN!
Looking at videos and more showcasing Disney's toy market collapse is really something.
i wonder how many of those were Rose Tikos
They could have donated those toys to the underprivileged children.
despite the white popular belief, poor people actually don't enjoy receiving leftovers and crap not good enough for your kids.
i bet you also believe that the clothes in those clothes bin actually go to struggling poor people.
They don't?
most go in the garbage, more are sold for a profit to private thriftstores, and only a small fraction go to actual poor fricks.
They end up clogging African beaches
So that's why they announced Frozen 3 and 4.
It's official, we spanish people are cursed.
First, Pokemon's Anime remove Ash in the same Generation based on Spain; which caused a decline of the anime's ratings.
Now, Disney's movie for its centenary, based on Spain, is a total bomb. This wouldn't have happened if they had tried to do it with heart, like Walt Disney used to do.
Didn't you hispanics get Coco a while back?
Mexicans =/= Spaniards
At least the Resident Evil 4 remake came out alright. They even got actual spaniard voice actors to voice the ganados this time.
hardly any movie with a budget of $200+ million (not including marketing costs) were profitable in 2023, in fact i think only one movie was actually profitable, Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
Did Gunn just get lucky?
I mean, not really, he just made the only big movie worth watching
So what wrong lessons will Disney learn from this?
Maybe that they need to make more movies about generational trauma
Lets hope they make shittier movies and that they fail as much as possible and that their theme park also tanks so that they die.
Inside 2 just seems like they're aping the narrative structure of Toy Story, basically following the growth phase of a child into adulthood.
Soon Inside 3 will follow Riley's emotional stability in college.
in their current mindset, "people disliked the final act so we won't make final battle anymore"
>walk through my local Walmart every now and then
>always a big Wish stand out in front of the toy area
>stand has been there since right before the movie came out
>always 100% full, no missing toys at all, no parents looking at the stand, nothing
Still completely baffled Disney's super-duper-special anniversary movie was as bad as it was.
>set in Spain at first but Spaniards got offended at how fricked Disney got it so they panicked and made it into some made-up fantasy land, dropping the demographic and the Disney "make movies solely to represent a nation's culture" thing entirely
>Disney spent all that time coming up with some fancy new special screen filter, only to have it be so subtle you can only see it in GOOD theaters and properly calibrated 4k TVs, and even then it looks like shit I could throw together in Blender in 20 minutes
>entire plot is so fricked nobody can agree on the point of all of it
>full of subtle and overt references to past classic Disney movies, but the reception is mixed between "offended" and "didn't notice"
>literally nobody cares about the MC or the not-Luma, let alone remembers the names of literally any characters
>no big musical hits like Let It Go that are popular enough to bleed into radio/TV
>marketing flopped so bad the commercials stopped within a week or two
>close to zero kids wearing Wish merch
>not even the goat was cared about by any quirky Twitter women like the other animal mascots
Didn't the movie make its burger back? like the budger was 200m and revenue was a wholeass 270m
Movies need to make at least 2x its budget back iirc in order to consider breaking even
That's only the production Cost.
You have to consider also the cost of advertising and Theaters take a considerable % of ticket sales.
Normally a movie must double it's initial budget to break even.
Haven't seen it yet, but the soundtrack popped up randomly while I was listening to Disney music with kids
>Songs sound like someone took generic orchestral Disney music and added some off theme hip hop, R&B elements to it
>A lot of them sound like 'oh, this is like this other Disney song, but the other song is better'
>Could practically hear a Disney executive in the background going 'No! More like Lin Manuel Miranda! Copy him more! Do raps! Anyone can do raps!'
>Look up who did the soundtrack
>A literal who, only claim to fame is shockingly brief American Idol stint, holy crap why did you hand your animation tent pole over to this noob
>A guy who has worked on a surprising amount of stuff, but when you look closer he's like the back up 3rd string contributing lyric suggester or its filler background tracks for things not known for being musicals
>Both of them are the whitest white people who ever whited
>Disney Executive: "NO! WRITE MORE ETHNIC! MORE RAPS! WHY CAN'T YOU WRITE RAPS? HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HIP HOP!? HIP HOP IS MUSIC AND ALL MUSIC IS THE SAME! WHY CAN'T YOU BE LIN MANUEL MIRANDA? LIN MANUEL MIRANDA WROTE LETS NOT TALK ABOUT BRUNO! DO THAT! WRITE DON'T TALK ABOUT BRUNO! BUT NEW! BUT NOT TOO NEW!"
Like, dude, just hire Lin Manuel Miranda if you want Lin Manuel Miranda. He seems totally happy to be this generations Alan Menken. I dunno what you expected from the guys who did the music for Brother Bear 2.
>Like, dude, just hire Lin Manuel Miranda if you want Lin Manuel Miranda. He seems totally happy to be this generations Alan Menken. I dunno what you expected from the guys who did the music for Brother Bear 2.
Disney apparently approached the Lopezes and Lin Manuel Miranda for this project but both parties declined when they learned they only had three months to write all the music. The real question is why did Disney only give them three months? Was production that fricked up?
Disney had a very grim 100th anniversary’s
imagine having 100 years of experience to learn from but still fricking it up
With how Disney is going lately I can't help but wonder if KH is trying to distance from it to a degree.