Would someone care to explain how sperging out in court and contradicting his plea deal testimony managed to save Kim from a financially ruinous civil suit from Howard’s widow?
>actually I liked getting rich with Walter
>I should have tried harder with Chuck
>Hi Kim I just wanted you to see you lol
Am I a moron?
it didnt. it was a botched ending. you know it, and i know it. but its going to be shilled as good for the end of time.
If he did manage to pull some legal trick that made the civil case unable to go to trial, then it would still be kinda gay but make some sense because he loves Kim. But without that… it just doesn’t make any sense. It was executed well in every respect but the fundamental point. The plot.
I need to go watch an anime drama where they have enough respect for their high IQ slant eyed audience to explain the rules and make the plot and motivations airtight. Americans are just too stupid, even the best of them like Vince and Gould.
Cinemaphile should just be Cinemaphile because you morons don't know anything about writing, filming or the bare bone basics of filmmaking. Watch homosexual character do big fightsade for teenagers and children.
>thinks better call saul would be better with anime writing
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dude actually, unironically, literally, talk with a female sometimes, its nice
anime writing is good writing because nips, unlike americans, are not morons who eat all the shit you throw at them.
And stop pivoting using low effort inceltear jokes.
>thinks anime writing isn't the same shit or worse
lmao
You mean go and watch your low IQ children's cartoons where everything is laid out for you because you are too autistic to understand anything besides plain exposition
>>I should have tried harder with Chuck
That's literally impossible. He really tried he gave Chuck every benefit, you can only do so much for a person who fundamentally despises you.
Also, not sure why he decides he cared about Chuck at this point, he literally didn't give a frick when he died.
Reddit will make sure its IMDB rating will stay 10.0 next few years.
>That's literally impossible. He really tried he gave Chuck every benefit, you can only do so much for a person who fundamentally despises you.
he didn’t despise him, speed wat-
>Also, not sure why he decides he cared about Chuck at this point, he literally didn't give a frick when he died.
Holy shit HAHAHAHAHHA this Black person missed the entire point of the last 3 seasons holy shit do Zoomers REALLY? fricking hell dude I’m not even gonna bother go back to watching capeshit HAHHAHAH
He arguably did despise Jimmy.
He felt Jimmy didn't deserve to be a lawyer, saw him as low-life, and felt envy over their mother's affection.
Attack on titan tards are the ones guarding the rating
>Also, not sure why he decides he cared about Chuck at this point, he literally didn't give a frick when he died.
He didn't. He was saying that for the court. He's making himself look worse in front of the judge, while looking better in front of Kim.
Saul is a lawyer. He says what he says for the court.
No, in that moment Jimmy is being honest with himself for the first time since Kim left. He can admit his guilt, finally, the way both he and Chuck had been running away from. He just does it in the dumbest way possible.
Yeah I didn't get this either. He did no favors to Kim by doing this so what is even the point? But then again he's slippin' jimmy. He would start slippin again once his 7 year sentence was up so I guess this was the only way he could free himself from himself.
>this was the only way he could free himself from himself.
deep
Wasn’t for the Civil Suit, it was inner peace, and redemption. Chuck said Jimmy could never change, and in the end he did.
why did he have to throw the deal for that? he could have just served his 7 years and then gone on to help people/contribute to society in a positive way after he got out.
Did you not watch the show? He will start slippin as soon as he's out. He literally cannot change.
i don't really care to argue whether he changed, i'm just saying that he didn't have to admit to everything and frick himself over in order to do it.
He didn't have to but we did, just like in real people do a lot of things they don't have to do
I don't know why you gays struggle so much with that concept
I guess I’m just not high minded enough right? Did I get filtered?
You're on an autism site so I guess that's expected
>reddit spacing
Opinion discarded
cope
This. He didn’t HAVE to do it, and maybe he’ll regret doing it for the same reasons that people keep posting. But in a moment of passion, he did it and it felt good. At least he got back his respect from himself and from Kim, the only person he’s ever loved.
Won't he start slipping in jail too?
sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh he took responsibility and changed by going to jail, you can tell he changed because we told you so
Because Amerimutts think that the judicial system only makes you serve a "just" sentence, lmao.
I think this might be key. What an insidious piece of propaganda.
He was personally reasonable for setting up murders. He wanted penance
because even if we think he didn't deserve it, he sure as frick did
I don't know why you morons can't grasp this simple distinction
He didn't really change, but he realised that he couldn't.
Every time Jimmy was caught red-handed he said he would change and "not do it ever again".
He knew he would just do the same thing again out of prison.
He understood that law, which Chuck cherished, is what keep dangerous people like him locked away.
In a way he changed but also stayed the same.
he can still pull shit off in prison though
basically this. breaking bad was about a guy outwardly changing by embracing his pride. BCS was about a guy who could never change from his scumbag ways even if there was some good in him
>and in the end he did.
he didnt. he went to jail, costs the tax payers money, has no opportunity to do good things for other people and fricked oakley on the way down
kek it's like it was made to give closure to a female widow for representation reasons
you guys are all pretending to be complete fricking morons, right? it's been hours of pranks and trolling each other, right? i'm starting to worry it isn't pretend
wowsers you’re so smart because you think you understand a botched ending!! what is your iq level albert einstein??
the marvelgay seems uppity
irony is you probably suck the wiener of every capeshit movie that comes out
Only a Marvelgay could like that ending, either because of the sappiness of Saul’s sacrifice (in exchange for nothing), or because they ingest the show passively and don’t really understand what’s happening.
Marveloid redditard projecting again!
You need to die.
Kys
Even in the last episode he's supposed to be a slippery guy but didn't even bother to mask his voice at all while in hiding until he was caught out by a fricking old lady and AskJeeves. Yet now i'm supposed to believe that everyone in prison knows his face lol
he got sent back to Albuquerque
People outside of his area wouldn’t have seen his commercials and ads for years. Plus he wore a disguise and played a meek, quiet nerdy guy that was the opposite of his Saul persona.
Wasn't about Kim, it was about Chuck. The flashback and the time machine specifically are there to hit you in the head with it.
Slippin Jimmy always cut corners. Getting 7 years for everything Saul did was cutting corners, so he decided not to do that.
That's the idea anyway, still not sure how i feel about the ending. Definitely not satisfied.
Don’t tell me that was it. I think those actors are crew grew to like each other and their characters so much, they had to give Saul this Christlike sacrifice in the 11th hour. So homosexualy I almost can’t believe it.
The real tragedy is they could have made Saul’s sacrifice save Kim, but it didn’t. It was just masturbatory self-satisfaction. 7 years is enough time for what Saul did. Any normal person would grit their teeth and bear it, and see it as their atonement. Vince is no Kubrick.
This is what really separates shows like the Sopranos and the Breaking Bad universe. It’s just too quirky and goes for the cheap conventional conclusion. These writers are too good for that ending.
I'm gonna pretend the last 3 episodes didn't happen and this is how the show ends.
Nippy was God tier so yeah I can't say that it wouldn't have been kino to end there
7 years for actively helping to foment the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of people huh?
Jesse literally killed people and made the meth directly, yet he gets go to free in the end?
Getting enslaved, tortured and raped by white supremacists after both Jane and Andrea died was enough punishement for redemption.
Tell that to Gail's loved ones.
Jesse went through a far worse stint of prison with the Biker gang given the torture and murder of both his gfs. Ideally both should be kept out of the general population, but American prisons are Protestant inspired (aka lucifarian) and deliberately try to replicate the image of hell on earth. He goes free because he suffered enough already in the eyes of the writers and directors.
You can guarantee if Kim got blasted Jimmy would have taken 7 years at most, or probably just stayed free.
He should have just taken the 7 years. There is nothing wrong with taking the seven years of legally that is an option and reality. His “confession” is a huge inflation of his actual role, it’s literally the same as Walt’s call to Skyler in Ozymandis to shake the police off of her. Except that actually made sense. What Jimmy did here is both moronic and gay.
>The real tragedy is they could have made Saul’s sacrifice save Kim
Kim didn't want to be saved. The moment Jimmy decided he was going to take full responsibility and own up to himself was when he heard that Kim confessed. That was the moment he realized that was what he wanted to do, after they talked about it at length during the previous episode. Kim was guilty about Howard and wanted justice for herself. Jimmy was guilty about Chuck. Both of them decided that they wanted to be completely honest for once and face the full repercussions for their actions and in doing so hopefully find inner peace. It's that simple.
Saul knows the prison system far too well to actually think he'll find inner peace being locked away for the rest of his life together with Jamal the gay rapist.
>and in doing so hopefully find inner peace
jimmy shouldve just gotten a n4m4st3 license plate
It was an awful ending. You find stuff like that in books for teens and young adults to teach them basic moral lessons. Vince did the same thing with Breaking Bad by making Walter's son disown his own father.
Kek it felt like lifted straight out of crime & Punishment
it doesn't have the religious element like C & P so it's more dumb imo
That is one aspect I really despised. Walt Jr. turned on a dime.
>not cutting corners means letting the feds frick you in the ass
muh theemz
To the people that liked it, what's your opinionon TLJ. Don't deflect we both know u watched it.
I liked the ending.
TLJ? The Last Jedi? A couple of good ideas ruined by absolute dogshit execution, one of the worst and most boring movies I've ever sat through in the cinema. However the Kylo Ren v Luke "duel" is absolute kino and one of the best scenes in the franchise.
Better Call Saul and The Last Jedi are nothing alike. BCS knew it's ending was predictable, Jimmy getting caught and going to jail was what everyone was expecting, but they did it anyway because predictable doesn't mean bad. TLJ is so afraid of being predictable that it'll shoot of it's own dick just because it's subversive.
The director tried to put a positive spin on everything by making Saul "save" Kim. Little did he know that the audience is a lot less in love with Kim than the director. She seemed out of place from start to finish.
But the “save Kim” element didn’t even make sense. It was like a dirty trick to fool the Redditards with a few IQ points above the rest. Kim is still fricked. And Jimmy got nothing but an extra 80 years in prison.
NOTHING ABOUT WHAT JIMMY WAS DOING WAS TO "SAVE KIM" YOU ACTUAL GORILLA Black person SUBHUMAN moron
Jimmy didn't save Kim, that's just a moronic misunderstanding of the plot. Jimmy's confession had nothing to do with helping Kim out of the trial with Howard's widow. Rather, he was trying to follow her example, and he did: he came clean and he freed himself from his Saul persona.
Basically, it's Kim the one who saved Jimmy.
Has nothing to do with him trying to stop the civil suit dumbass
It wasn't about saving Kim. It was about being honest with himself. Fricking plebians.
Looks like cope. He could have been honest with himself in the mess hall during year 4 of his 7 year bid. Would have been based if it ends with him waking out of prison to Free Bird. He didn’t have to change.
morons can't understand this, no matter how hard they try.
Saul's charm is that he's a stunted huckster conman with a conscience that keeps him from going too far over the line. He's the character you relate to. There ain't no homie on earth that can relate to a dude who willingly trading 7 years of ice cream in white collar israelite jail, for life in an ape conservatory.
Saul also despises the people who fall for his cons: bar association/dudes from the copy machine store. He wanted to be on top and the deal that he got proved that he could have done that.
You relating to the character has no bearing on anything. Normal people can relate to having shame and guilt
>with a conscience that keeps him from going too far over the line
Yet he does go over the line. Thats what hes admitting to in the court. He aided Walt and by doing so enabled a frickton of damage, he got Howard killed and dumped somewhere, and he made his own brother kill himself.
>There ain't no homie on earth that can relate to a dude who willingly trading 7 years of ice cream in white collar israelite jail, for life in an ape conservatory
Why would you relate to that? Most people never go to prison, or court in their lifetime. You're not supposed to relate, you're supposed to understand and sympathize but you failed at that
>Understand and sympathize with someone subjecting themselves to prison for the rest of their life
>When they were a single court appearance away from 7 years in prison.
>When doing so had no impact on anything except a nebulous personal redemption
>When they were unable to actually redeem themselves cause they still use their old identity in prison
Yup. Problem?
But they set it up as though he was going to take the fall for her
>he literally can't change
>changes in court by telling some of the truth
He could have taken the deal and been honest about it all later. He clearly can change based on what he did in court. 7 years in prison would be plenty of time to come to his senses.
>do 7 years
>come out of jail for Gene Takovic life round 2 with no one to come back to
His one phone call was work related, there's nothing outside for Jimmy anymore
No he could come out of jail as saul he doesn’t have to keep hiding anymore he did the time. Instead he chose to do frickin 67 years use your brain moron this isn’t riverdale
>No he could come out of jail as saul he doesn’t have to keep hiding anymore he did the time
And do what? He's not getting his practice back
whatever the frick you dumb c**t, legal aid, whatever kim did at the women's free aid place but for money? sell his story? he'd have had options
>go out of jail
>everyone he knows is either dead or no contact with him (Kim particularly)
>not getting his license back
>famous as the scummy lawyer for Walter White
And what is he gonna do? Unlike his time as Gene he's gonna come out of jail penniless. After 7 years all he had to look forward to would be a lonely minimum wage cucking existence that would make him wither kill himself or slip back on slippin' jimmy antics
There was nothing for him on the outside. Might as well spend his last few decades in a supermax prison with violent apes.
>moronic brainlet can't put 2 and 2 together of what the point of the prison bus scene was
Peter Gould was right, the ending is going to generate discussion. Mostly from brainlets, which is a shame
2 + 2 = 4
Jimmy can’t escape his past. Wow how brilliant. Sucks for him, he already botched his deal in return for nothing. Make like Chuck and have a nice day.
what a brainlet take
did you use a calculator to come up with 4?
Irrelevant. Strike it from the record.
he could have written a book or something
Jordan Belfort style
That's not going to help with the crushing Gene-tier loneliness that would await him outsdide
He wouldn’t be hiding anymore under a fake identity. He could probably exploit his relationship with the infamous Heisenberg for monetary gain.
>come out of jail for Gene Takovic life round 2 with no one to come back to
Why do people keep saying this? He could have easily made new friends. He made friends with that cancer guy in the bar just to scam him, so he has lots of charisma. Like Kim did, he could have moved on with his life after that. Kim has no grounds to look down on him, because she literally kept Howard's murder a secret for a long time. The best his wife can do now is sue her and hope it sticks now that he's long gone and zero evidence remains. Kim has to pay some money but is free, while Jimmy would have had to do 7 years and be free. The show trying to make it out that he needed to confess about chuck randomly is so shitty. It's like the director forgot that Jimmy DID do his best to deal with Chuck. We know Jimmy regretted a lot of things and pushed forward with cope, but the way they handled this finale feels rushed. Dropping a fricking "time machine" flashback thing on us in the last episode to make things work is lazy and shit writing.
this. what do people think happens in real life when people move on from each other or move to new places? its abnormal if you can only have meaningful connections with one person ever
Even with that dumb argument that he can't move on, it still doesn't make sense even if we believe he couldn't. Jimmy is guilty about what he's done. They were charging him for his role in Hank's death, which he had no part of. Jimmy wouldn't have taken that sitting down no matter what. Jimmy tried to run the moment that happened.
It would have made more sense if he just accepted that he couldn't be with Kim in any form after what they've done and simply moved on. They could have had him move on as Jimmy or done something like this, where he had to accept he was alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AKozDYwO0. What we got is just some hollywood kind of cartoon ending.
It would have been enough for him to request stating all his criminal history in open court and requesting to go to a real prison instead of Club Fed. Maybe do legal volunteer work on the inside for """good""" inmates
>get out of prison
>can't practice law
>criminal history prevents getting jobs
I guess you could have him pull a Jordan Belfort and make a living being a public speaker or something, helping excons or something. Would probably be a better change than just self flagellating.
>criminal history prevents getting jobs
I understand that employers don't want ex-cons, but still it's such a failure of the penitentiary system. This literally makes less incentives for ex-cons to not slip back into crime.
Theres also the liability factor. If you hire someone whom you know to have a violent/dangerous past and bad shit happens, you can get sued for negligence
Yeah, I understand that, but if a person only allowed to clean toilets after getting back from prison, even if he wanted to change and be a functional part of society, it becomes very hard not to slip into the crime back again.
Amazon are hiring felons now but by the time Saul would be out of prison in maybe the 2030s they'd be 100% automated
>>can't practice law
> make a living being a public speaker
Nothing prevents him from talking about law and Saul Goodman would make a fortune on speaking circuits talking about how to frick the law before the law fricks you. His notoriety from the Heisenberg saga would propel him to stardom.
would saul goodman be a libcuck or a magatard if he real
He would go back to scamming people eventually, that's the part he can't change. He goes through periods where he is clean, but he continually falls back into it. He can't help himself. Hell, I bet his life in prison would be helping the other inmates get reduced sentences through nefarious means.
the whole 7 years thing was him conning his way out of his responsibilities and consequences
he proves his brother wrong by giving up on the con and facing the consequences
it was also for Kim, because he didn't want to lose her like he lost everyone else
His brother is dead and Kim is getting boned by some Jock moron. Meanwhile Jimmy is left to rot in prison. What the frick does Jimmy have to actually lose by taking the 7 years over the 86 years. This ending doesn’t make any sense.
It's partially the shows fault but the worst shit Jimmy did was during the Breaking Bad years and probably thinks he deserves the full punishment
Chuck deserves it
Howard as well
Both isn’t his fault
Why he wouldn’t take 7 years ? Instead of dying in prison
Because it wasn’t up to Saul. It was up to a homosexual named Vince.
>nothing you just said was a crime
>it was
even jimmy himself said it was fricked up, go seethe more homosexual
>Both isn’t his fault
>Why he wouldn’t take 7 years ?
Can you stop being french and write properly?
This is the first thread to call out the glaring error in this finale. Prepare for shills of every stripe to join in to shit up this thread, type like a drunk moron shitting on the finale to gaslight it’s honest detractors. This show’s legacy is at stake.
there was no error moron
>everyone's shitting at how he ruined his deal
>no one's shitting on him going full moron with Marion and not talking his way out of it, leveraging the fact he can send her son to prison for the rest of his life for committing a federal crime
>no one's shitting on him going full moron over the cancer man and starting the whole chain of events in the first place
The ending's problems started at least in the previous episode, if not earlier
>dude why isn't [character] a perfect automaton that never makes any mistake ever and only does the most logical thing at any given time
Every ending complaint on /bcs/ ever
>h-haha people just can be randomly moronic sometimes
Yeah, like the writing staff of this show
You are on Cinemaphile right now, which means you made several moronic decisions in your life. It's not that hard of a concept my IQ challenged friend
Well, joke's on you, i'm consistently reterderd so your argument falls flat
Yes , unattainable fiction should behave to that higher standard.
Marion was willing to throw her frickup son to the wolves. She made that absolutely clear. His only way out was strangling her, which I’m glad he didn’t do. In a grittier show he would have knocked her out and ran.
You might have autism, anon.
Was he trying to set up the taximan by stealing from cancerman? Or was he just moronic?
i wanted kino ending vince
jesse did far worse, would actually make the meth and sell it and he murdered a guy, and the c**t got away with it and moved to alaska. at least jimmy helped countless decent people as lawyer.
And let's be real, what did Jimmy do that was ACTUALLY as bad as Jesse or Walt? Deaths he was involved in were mostly unintended, a few scams, money laundering. Jesse and Walt did far worse.
Without Jimmy, Walt would have crashed and burned somewhere around season 2, so he was indirectly responsible for everything that came afterwards.
Yeah he never directly killed anyone, but his actions led to the death of many
Who are you arguing against? Nobody said Walt and Jesse would get lighter sentence.
Saul got what the writers felt he deserved. Dude is just arguing that Saul didn’t deserve to be treated that way by his creator.
I mean Walt is fricking dead. Everyone involved in drug trade is fricking dead except Jesse. And Saul took the 80 year sentence willingly, he's got friends in jail, he's got clear clear consciousness so even if it's out of the character it's what he wanted. Not really a punishment for him.
He's going to get out in seven years, on parole. Similar to Varg Vikernes. Good behaviour will let him get out early.
Then he'll be a celebrity consultant for true crime shows, but this time as Jimmy.
It's happened plenty of times before.
Varg served over 20 years which is the max sentence in norway what are you on about
>7 years on an 86 year sentance
Uh-huh.
Why did Saul suddenly have a change of heart when he found out Kim confessed to the DA about what happened to Howard? Why did he no longer want to take his 7 year ice cream deal? If his last minute sacrifice was truly about Chuck, as many of you morons are suggesting.
If they couldn’t give Saul the “Free Bird I can’t change” outlaw ending, then at least have Saul sacrifice his plea deal to exonerate Kim. That would have been a yawner, but predictable and sufficient. Instead Saul did something that just cannot be explained in rational terms. He chose to go to jail forever, in exchange for nothing. His pride? He wanted Kim to see him tell the truth? Not good enough. Vince got to thinking this show is bigger than it is, and he could push a larger message through Saul about sacrifice, but it just didn’t work. They got too far up their own c**ts.
Acting, casting, cinematography, dialogue, aesthetic choices were impeccable, but Saul’s final motivation was irredeemably dumb.
Autism
>then at least have Saul sacrifice his plea deal to exonerate Kim
He didn't have to exonerate Kim, he only had to placate Hamlin's widow. What likely happened after the court room scene was that sentencing was postponed, the plea deal was ripped up, and Jimmy provided enough details to get himself slapped with some criminal charge relating to Hamlin's death. Criminal charges go way further in clearing Hamlin's name than a civil case.
>7 years later when he coulda been out
arrested development > better call saul
>tfw clusterfrick Ozark final season and ending was still miles better than last few episodes of Saul
Vince will wish he had a time machine for that second half
Not even close
>implying he couldnt con his way out of prison if he wanted to
regret sooner or later catches up with you and it feels good to come clean.
you should try it sometime.
>writers superimpose their own value and belief of the characters into the universes internal logic even if it directly contradicts it
Ah, the Seinfeld finale route. Brave...
It makes sense that autistic subhuman with a conscience would be confused by the concept of inner peace or being held accountable to your guilt. Everything is a little video game to you fricking low IQ Black folk, you’d kill your whole fricking family for a hit of dopamine.
Ahh. Maybe… still not conVINCED.
do not try to argue with evil , ignore it or destroy it.
you should know better than now to argue with people that hate themselves their whole live and just come here to vent , talk nonsense.#
may god be with you and i hope you are doing fine.
Lol. They’re pulling out all the stops to defend that ending
is the illuminati and the producers in the room right now anon ? come on , i found the ending shitty myself and im not a shill.
i never wanted it to come to a grand unsatisfying open ending either.
god bless you and your family.
By they I meant gays
frick off christcuck no one asked you
Look how evil recoils.
nta but do you have any self awareness at all? You claim to be enlightened yet you unironically post something like "Look how evil recoils". I'm lmaoing at you right now.
See how the swine turns his nose at pearls; the husks of corn are all he craves.
Don't engage.
homie why you trying to argue with an irrational cringelord
Projection.
Who says it did? That wasn't the point. The point was Saul facing up to the consequences. Kim is till getting sued, and possibly jailed.
bad show bad writing bad ending. no commas. frick you.
It was the last great show. They just fricked up.
This scene wasn't very well acted or written
>managed to save Kim from a financially ruinous civil suit from Howard’s widow?
He wasn't tryying to save Kim from a civil suit.
He was trying to get the punishment he deserved, the way Kim did.
Low IQ speedwatcher, try to pay attention.
I was about to rewatch the whole show until that gay ass Full House ending killed it. What a pile shit.
The ending makes no sense, he should at least have turned himself in at any point before, not keep fighting for his freedom right up until the end, lawyer his way to a reasonable sentence, and then turn around and throw his whole life away in the next 10 minutes. They could have done so much more with the last few episodes to make his self sacrifice make any sort of sense.
It wasn't a sacrifice, it was just a confession
Nobody else benefited from it
You dont understand his character, he cant help himself with all the chicanery. Hes not the type of guy who can give himself in, hed rather fly too close to the sun and get caught.
The reason he confessed was to for once not cut corners and to change like Chuck didnt think he could, to free himself from the constant urge to do chicanery like when hes out.
It ruined Bill's career, that was the point
He wasnt tryin to save kim from anything he wanted to see her and confess.
He knew Howards wife wont sue her.
>speedwatchers forgetting what that telephone convo was all about and how it affected both characters' outcomes in the final episodes
Okay but why the FRICK does he need to change? Why is his character inherently bad? Is there even a truly good human trait, who cares?
No. Its not about good and bad, maybe Jimmy just got tired of the constant urge to do chicanery shit and thought settling down in prison would be good for him.
Because he was tired of feeling ashamed of himself
The problem with the ending is Vince wanted the will-he-won't-he thing to ride up to the last second so when he does confess it'll be this big twist but all it does is fall flat because there's no real reason for it except for 'it's the right thing to do'. They could have just had him come to that realisation when he threatened grandma and sit in the house waiting for the police, but they wanted the Bravo Vince moment. They wrote it imagining the audience would be Kim smiling at good boy Saul, but the audience was actually Bill Oakley wondering why the frick we're dragging this out so much. We get it. We got it two seasons ago. I just wanna go take a piss.
OP here. Well said.
It wasn't for Kim, it was for himself, but he wanted her to see his confession. And yes, you're a moron.
The more dumber thing is him getting caught. An anon pointed it how absurd it is that for all the paranoia he's been shown to have as Gene, and the experience with Lalo and Walt, he never once devised an escape plan when shit hit the fan?
>more dumber
I was always interested how these errors seem to a native speaker, and if natives can even make such an error
No native speaker would make that mistake, everyone knows it's "dumberer".
I think the Zoom writer's room really harmed the season. Normally all of these details would have been anticipated and sorted out. S6 in general just feels like them operating at reduced capacity.
He subconciously wanted to get caught after his phone conversation with Kim, thought that was pretty obvious.
Anon these people have autism. They can't understand things like that. They have no internal emotional or spiritual life, you're basically talking to robots.
>Am I a moron
Yes.
Jimmy wasn't trying to save Kim. He found out that Kim confessed even though it might destroy her life and it shamed him into doing the same.
>I'll redeem myself
>by making Oakley look like a moron
Wow that Jimmy guy sure saved Kim somehow I guess, and she can still be a lawyer after all of that.
Nobody saved Kim, moron speedwatcher.
This. Helping Oakley could've been a real chance for redemption. It would've been nice to see them share a private moment of mutual respect. Instead Jimmy fricks over his last friend to soothe his guilt and impress Kim.
In fricking over Bill, he’s essentially spitting on the law again.
Yeah fricking over Oakley really was unnecessary. I don't quite understand why did writers want to involve Bill in this with the way the plot went.
It’s comic relief, you know. Even though the point is about redemption and doing what’s right the comic relief is purposely fricking over a dude that put aside past history
I don't get how Oakley got screwed in the slightest. He negotiated a life + 190 something deal down to 7 years. Do lawyers get blamed for their clients going insane in the courtroom?
He got a mass amount of notoriety as well. Oakley will do better now. More people will want to work with him. This does not hurt him, it does help him.
Except no one will know or care to find out about the plea deal, the only thing they'll know or care about is his client getting 86 years
>except no one will know or care to find out about the plea deal
>implying something crazy as reducing life + 190 to 7 years will not talked about in Albuquerque court backrooms for years to come
Aside from Oakley, there was an army of prosecuting lawyers that each is going to spread the story around launch rooms and bars. There are also people that personally knew Jimmy that would likely pick up on the story and pass it on like the blonde DA and Rich, Cliff etc.
Unironically yes, this shit would look really bad on his part and he would be ruined
>I literally make up total nonsense about things I don't understand at all
Ok
Prove me wrong
In the court of law everybody deserves an attorney, is the mantra. This really doesn't make Oakley look bad.
I mean look at Alan Dershowitz and his clientele.
>This really doesn't make Oakley look bad.
Oakley agreed to become Saul's attorney on the promise this would be a high profile "win". It wasn't. He couldn't control his client in court, and was made a fool of in front of his partners and colleagues. This was all downside for Oakley.
Kim selflessly took responsibility. And he shows her that he can do the same. He doesn't lie to get her out of that, since that would again repeat their pattern of being partners in crime. Nobody is running away or weaseling their way out with some shady deals. They both admit their faults and face the consequences for their deeds. It's closure. If they continued getting out with tricks then there would be no end. They could still be doing cons and getting in trouble again. This episode puts the button on this.
Haha just don't think about it. Turn off your brain bro. It was about Chuck or something. He did the right thing! For some reason! TRUST THE PLAN: BRAVO VINCE
Prison is not an accepting of his responsibilities as Saul. Prison is what the writers think accepting responsibilities is. That action can only take place within the mind, and it can happen anywhere, any time. Saul doing this is because the writers wanted him to accept responsibility, and this is the concept of what that is to someone who doesn't know. There is no atonement to be found for a sefl-reflective high IQ guy like that in Prison that couldn't be found elsewhere. The characters are only as smart as the writers.
Kim came clean, so Jimmy came clean.
Kim accepted the responsibilities for her role in Howard's death. Jimmy accepted the responsibilities for his years of crime and evil. Jimmy wanted to prove to Kim there was a kernel of a good man still inside him, a kernel that wouldn't be there if he cheated the system and got away with 7 years.
HOW IS
THIS HARD
TO UNDERSTAND
It's hard to understand when you skip the previous seasons or even breaking bad.
This idea has the foundational pillar that Prison=helpful and JusticeSystem=correct&penitent. As a criminal lawyer he might accept it as legitimate, but why? If he was already in "I want to atone mode," why would he just add more punishment on top? He could made his peace on his own without making a scene, like every other man who isnt a tv character, and lived a life of penitence after he got out 7 years later.
Part of being a "good person" is accepting responsibilities for your actions. The reason Marie was being forced down your throat was to show part of the human cost of if he "got away" with everything.
Wrong. The writers are hacks and I'm a big brained boy.
>Part of being a "good person" is accepting responsibilities for your actions.
Nice spook to manipulate the cattle into being your tools.
Especially with the secular God known as the Law
Such goy slop
I would accept your answer in most cases, but not in this one. Jimmy is a guy who got his brother and Howard killed, and who knows that he has facilitated immensely Walt's whole operation (which in turn led to the murdering of many innocent people). The kind of guilt Jimmy must have felt is not of the same degree of our guilt. The degree of his guilt is extended enough to make him really believe that a whole lifetime of atonement is worth it.
Maybe you're right, the character must be so fricked up with how he hurt everyone around him that his last resort is self sabotaging to prove a point
That guilt caught up with him the moment he found out Kim confessed after smugly working out his ice cream deal? Must be, because the day before he was robbing a man with cancer.
I think this was the case. In their last phone call Kim told him to come out clean, but he didn't take her seriously and taunted her to do it herself. She did, and that made him change his mind on the whole deal: he wanted to be Jimmy again.
Yes, I agree. But it is more so the idea that "law = moral, therefore the 86 year punishment fits his crime." I have serious doubts that Saul Goodman after 5 years of manipulating the law would have any trust in not only its moral value, but also its practical value. This man, above all others, would be the first to realize that simply being in prison is not "accepting responsibility." Maybe in a social way, like people outside saying "That criminal's in jail. Good." But he wouldn't care about appearances. He'd make his peace without living in a cage for 86 years.
Why is it hard to understand that someone can understand all this and still call it gay and stupid? Because the actions that these motivations hinged on were absolutely stupid
>Jimmy wanted to prove to Kim there was a kernel of a good man still inside him, a kernel that wouldn't be there if he cheated the system and got away with 7 years.
The idea is predicated that he couldn't have done something redemptive after getting out of jail. His 7 year deal wasn't unfair, he literally used the system the way it's designed. He didn't do anything illegal in negotiating it.
The idea that he's proving he's anything but a complete moron in taking 83 years instead of 7 just shows you have a slave mentality.
The idea he has to, or should, or plausibly wanted to "prove something" to Kim is similarly moronic. He had a million options to do so that didn't involve what's effectively suicide. If he wanted to do penance, show him doing the stupid pro bono work (that he could do without a license) he scoffed at Kim for doing, after getting out.
Sitting in prison is not redemption. Nobody was helped by what he did.
prison is the only redemption for a guy like jimmy because he would never change if he was free
>he idea that he's proving he's anything but a complete moron in taking 83 years instead of 7 just shows you have a slave mentality.
>He should have worked at Cinnabon the rest of life instead
He was a slave either way dumbfrick. The freedom he had was long gone. Doing 7 years to what, work another wageslave job when he gets out? Thinking he should just do the 7 is still not realizing, he lost. He lost his money, his practice, his empire, he lost. Working at a mall was not a victory, and there wasn't one anymore. Scurrying off like a rat was all he could do. He decided to make a choice.
>He was a slave either way
No.
> Doing 7 years to what, work another wageslave job
He has a possibility to do real redemptive work. I literally wrote this out in the post you're replying to moron.
He had a million options to do so that didn't involve what's effectively suicide. If he wanted to do penance, show him doing the stupid pro bono work (that he could do without a license) he scoffed at Kim for doing, after getting out.
>He lost his money, his practice, his empire, he lost.
> Scurrying off like a rat was all he could do
You're quite literally wrong, and if you're right he should have just killed himself in a jail cell.
>He has a possibility to do real redemptive work
No he didn't. How is he going to pro-bono work and work for a living? How much volunteer work do you do?
>You're quite literally wrong, and if you're right he should have just killed himself in a jail cell.
Is that what you'd do? Cause you don't have to wait to be in jail anon.
By accepting his mistake through the confession he was already different than he had ever been before. That was a complete turning point for him, a moment of clarity he had never had. He never changed until right there. Would he have gone back? Maybe. But how long does it take to atone? Seems like he was ready to tackle his sins right there. Why put him in for 100 years then?
Yup, dude was basically in a prison of his mind. People don't get that working at Cinnabon was prison for Jimmy. He effectively already lost. He was holding onto his pride, using his ability to lie. Out in 7 years, to do what? He'd have nothing, no one. He'd be worse off than when he went in. He went to jail on his own terms, no plea deal, nothing. It was the Darth Vader I killed the emporeor ending, except Jimmy killed Saul.
It's hard because morons see a character being self-destructive in search of penance and literally can't comprehend it. The episode has mind broke the amoral slugs on this board and it's fricking hilarious. It doesn't matter that the entire show has been him wrangling with trying to be a good person but succumbing to his nature, or that it makes explicitly clear he had nothing in his life as Gene. The 7 year deal is better from him on paper so he should've taken that and winked at the camera.
That's right butthole. I think you people get off thinking you're morally superior or enlightened for "understanding" why Jimmy put himself in a supermax for nothing. You're not deep.
No, I just have basic comprehension and empathy. And if you're crying about him fricking himself over you truly don't understand why he did it.
>No, I just have basic comprehension and empathy.
This is actually just idealistic projection. You’re entirely caught up in some ideation of guilt absolution but in reality Jimmy is going to be killed or kill himself long before his time is up because he’s not made to survive prison. Realistically this is what would happen, especially when we know that Jimmy himself is very likely an atheist with little spiritual hardiness anyway
But the story already said that everything was going to be okay, right? Prisoners love him? What an absolute joke. A fairy tale for kids
yeah I expected the prisoners to rape him and kill him. Black folk hate police, lawyers and everything regarding justice. that's what would happen in reality.
>amoral
God, what a fricking homosexual you are
He proved he could get away with it again Saul style (the 7 year deal), and was ready to throw Kim under the bus just to add meaningless perks to his deal, but after he hears Kim is doing the exact opposite, confessing and facing consequences, he decides to do the same. Not only facing his crimes, but his guilt and regret over Chuck too. We didn’t see Kim getting sued to death, but she will. They’re both fricked, but living with a clean conscience, at least. They tried running away free already, and neither was happy (see: Jimmy baking bread a lot happier in prison than he was baking cinnamon rolls as Gene)
We already got the “died on his law” ending for Walter.
We already got the “got away and started a new life” ending for Jesse, who was powerless and relunctant for most of the ride.
The whole point of Jimmy’s story was avoiding. Getting him to be the one who finds peace in facing consequences is fitting.
this post is too high iq for this board to respond to
>He proved he could get away with it again Saul style (the 7 year deal), and was ready to throw Kim under the bus just to add meaningless perks to his deal
People do not get this. He was going for less than 7 years. He had 7 years confirmed. Then he dangles more in front of them to "sweeten the deal" and was going to use Kim's involvement with Hammlin's death. He didn't want 7 years, he wanted an even better deal. Kim confessing threw a wrench into his plan. It got to Jimmy as well.
>was ready to throw Kim under the bus just to add meaningless perks to his deal
He could have provided details of Hamlin's death without implicating Kim at all, and there was no indication he was going to throw her under the bus.
imagine if Tony apologized for killing christopher in the final episode of the sopranos lol
The super easy answer is that he wasn't trying to save Kim, rather he was trying to follow her example. I dont know why so many people assumed that he was trying to save her.
>I dont know why so many people assumed that he was trying to save her.
Because it's literally telegraphed in the show as his entire turnaround comes only after learning Kim "might face a civil suit". Do you people even watch the show?
Yeah, but that's my point. He didn't decide to try to save her, rather he wanted to follow her example, so that he could regain his dignity and Kim's respect.
Marie would not be at peace if Saul stayed in prison for only 7 years.
>stay in prison for 200 years
>die
or
>go to prison for 7 years
>come out, visit marie
>promise to help her cope with the loss that he caused
>50 years of community outreach, rebuilding trust and helping other people
>die
how can someone be this much of a brainlet
>not sleepin jimmy anymore just regular jimmy
>stay in prison for 200 years
>have inner peace
>die
or
>go to prison for 7 years
>still slippin Jimmy
>get out, do cons again
>get caught again
>go to prison AGAIN
>no inner peace
>die
Why wouldn't 7 years be enough to change him? That's longer than all of BCS and BB, surrounded by prisoners of all calibers expressing regret and guilt for their positions. That wouldn't affect him? But 86 years in the can would? What's the difference? What makes the 10th or 20th year so much more important than the 7th?
Because he didn't think that 7 years was adequate tradeoff for all the shit he has done.
He knows what prisons are and how they work and what they do. Why would he work within that paradigm that "time served = responsibility" when he knows that's a crock? His redemption would come from a place he doesn't know, otherwise he would have discovered it already.
If I was the main reason behind my brother's suicide I would want too to be put in a cell. The same would happen if I knew that I had been consciously instrumental for the murder of dozens of people
He should have let Marie whip his balls for a few weekends.
because taking the deal would prove that chuck is right all along that Jimmy would never change
God it's like we watched a different show
what part of inner peace don't you understand
>inner peace can only come after 100 years in federal prison
That is our fundamental disagreement.
you dumbfricking brainlet
inner peace came after not taking the deal
it doesn't matter how long or how short his sentencing is
You seem to vastly under estimate the actual crimes Saul was committing, and how far he slipped. Our introduction to him was him telling Walt and Jesse to shank his own client.
The writers finally weighed in on how they feel about that dynamic, by expressing it through Saul's moronic ass out of character confession.
you see it as out of character
I see it as Jimmy finally taking off the Saul mask
Which he also put on in an instant completely out of the blue the second Kim left
did he con someone again after kim left? wtf are you talking about?
Your honor speculation on the grounds of my client is talking about things that might have happened.
You know what this has me thinking about? The courtroom scene in Flight. An actual redemptive moment where the character just can't lie anymore, damn the consequences. The logical culmination of the story, of repeated attempts to skirt justice, of trying to stay clean and failing.
Flight accomplishes this self-examination and change in a way that's more motivated in 2 hours than BCS could scrounge up with 6 seasons of a TV show.
It's kind of kino how the big soul-searching atonement face-turn Saul did that turned him from cancer-patient-robbing almost-granny-murderous spitting-in-widows-faces evil man into man willing to stick to his morals happened during one (1) Ben Oakley lavatory break.
People who hate the ending (or who radically misunderstand it) should read the Bible a bit more. 99% of the critiques I have read basically boil down to people not understanding why someone would chose spiritual value over material possessions.
this
i'm not even religious but the amount of people going >why would he do the morally right thing if it doesnt benefit him personally? is genuinely concerning
max security prison is not a place of spiritual value anon, you’d know if you did some research
The story hinges it’s morality on a lie: the American justice system is sacred (God)
based
if jimmy were to exile himself somewhere remote there would be some value, but he just put himself under the wing of those as corrupt as he is
dumbass
you hate the Mutt States of Shartistan so much that your brain deteriorated to that of their common Black person
poetic
That is the one good takeaway from either course of this ending, which is that he could work his way toward God regardless. But I see that in the prison ending, he would reflect upon his ability to do good with his mind and wallow in the mistake of not being able to contribute to the good of the men and women on the outside. The other side to that though is that if he doesn't find Him within 7 years then he'd be back. That idea would have been a more engaging, ambiguous ending. "Does he find redemption?" Instead of "Wow, prison works!" Know what I mean?
It doesn't. Peter said she's still going to be sued by Howard's ex in a variety interview
>Peter said she's still going to be sued by Howard's ex in a variety interview
I don't understand what the yoko ono-looking b***h is trying to gain by it. The b***h didn't love Howard, he was sleeping on the couch in the huge-ass mansion. And it's not like Kim has fricking money.
Money. That’s literally it.
Most kino ending would have been Gene doing his 7 years, and while in prison writing a book/ script for a TV show, one called 'breaking bad'.
Bravo.
That would have been great. It's so absurdly self-indulgent I think it would have worked.
Why Saul dont hide in another country like Mexico or Colombia?
To what end?
they will never find them in those countries and plus i am sure he will got a harem of thicc colombian chicks
He didn't do it to save Kim
Yes, you are moronic
Unironically the entire of S6 was dog shit, was a disaster
>show a massive victory against the federal government
>during one of the most astroturfed and gaslighting administrations in the history of the Union.
This was the real reason you morons.
>Saul GOODman
>GOODmans in the end
BRAVO VINCE
The implication was that there was more than they showed us. After his outburst, that sentencing would have been halted, and the prosecution would have withdrawn the plea agreement. He was not sentenced on that day.
As for how that would save Kim, Hamlin's widow just wants someone to pay and to clear her husband's name. Saul being criminally liable for her husband's death is way better than any civil lawsuit. Kim is also what lawyers might call "judgement-proof." Basically she leads such a frugal life, she has no money to collect. You can't use a judgement to drive someone into utter destitution. She needs a house, she needs food. They can't literally take her for everything.
>He felt LE BAD
How can anyone unironically defend this? It goes against everything w have ever known about Saul
>But he changed, its called character developement
Not when you do it all out the blue in 10 seconds at the end of the series it isnt, its called hack writing
>Not when you do it all out the blue in 10 seconds at the end of the series it isnt
Saul arguably didn't change. Kim is the one person more important to him than money or freedom. He did everything he could to achieve a win, which in this case was getting her off the hook, and he did it within the letter of the law as he largely had throughout the entire series. Truth and remorse was incidentally the best course of action.
This last bit of lawyering was a total victory for Saul. He robbed the prosecution of a moral victory because he chose to throw his case in dramatic fashion. He ended up in a prison where he was not only respected, but safe because it was a Supermax. He managed to turn back the clock with Kim, if only for one moment. He got his time machine.
its a show made by boomers , obiously the white woman would always have the good ending.
I kinda knew it the second they pulled out the seven years shit but I was still holding out hope he might go out like the real saul goodman , sacrificing even kim and her le new life for a nice ice cream like a real chad
>Breaking Bad
Good
>El Camino
Cringe shit
>Better Call Saul
S1-S5 Good
S6 Complete shit
Vince is a hack comfirmed
It’s weird how no one is bringing up how Jimmy still has the opportunity to be a lawyer somewhat in prison since he could give legal advice to his fellow inmates.
I like to believe he is. I know he's trying to be Jimmy and not ruining people's lives around him but the legal system is pretty fricked and being able to help some dumb teenager that might've gotten charged with a bag of weed and is now facing 30 years, he should be able to help him out like Kim is doing by volunteering in that free legal aid.
looks like jimmy fallon
>>Hi Kim I just wanted you to see you lol
She needed to be in court because at that moment because whether she knew it or not, whether anyone else in court knew or not, she was Saul's client. To everyone else, that was a sentencing hearing for Saul. But to him, it was a trial for Kim and he was fighting for her.
>I'm under arrest and need a suit for court, I can request my special flashy Saul suit instead of a normal suit which I would be given that would also fit thematically with what's about to happen.
He went in as Saul, he left as Jimmy. That "should" be meaningful, but he had already planned on being Jimmy from the plane ride, so I'm not sure why keep up the pretense.
He dressed like that as Jimmy too.
I have another interpretation: he didn't want to hide that he had been in fact Saul. He wanted to avoid any pretension, so he went in dressed as Saul, and showed to be James McGill
He did it once as a method of being intentionally obnoxious, but it wasn't until he rebranded as Saul Goodman that he wore it for his everyday job.
I thought the ending was garbage
He was already fricked out of his ice cream either way. He realized he lost.
What are people's issues with this? Jimmy finally, finally, changed. He's not running away or doubling down on his ways, he just faces the music and takes the punishment at long last.
Everyone understands the theme. The problem is whether the plot supports, or interferes with, the theme. There were too many dumb/boneheaded choices required.
They tried to give us a poor imitation of the bb ending with Walt on the phone to skylar and then when he met her in the flat.
Episode 9 was the actual ending and the remaining four were epilogues for redditors who actually cared about the Gene shit. It's as shitty as it deserves to be, it should have never been the main focus.
>Would someone care to explain how sperging out in court and contradicting his plea deal testimony managed to save Kim from a financially ruinous civil suit from Howard’s widow?
I might just be a brainlet here, but I think he had made something up to implicate Kim between scenes. He told his lawyer on the plane there was some whole new thing about Kim that nobody knew about and then during his little speech at the podium said he had lied.
Really I thought it was a terrible ending and the only part I liked was Walt saying "oh... so you've always been like this" with disdain.
>let's just rot in the prision due to... LE GUILT
do americans really
Yeah. If you feel guilty, don't try to give back and make the world a better place, just sit in prison until you die.
I think Oakley is going to have the reputation as the best public defender in ABQ after this. Also, I don't know why the judge vigorously denied his request to withdraw, but it was funny
The entire show is about Chuck and justice, where the frick is he supposed to end up besides prison, the Bahamas? Dead in a cartel mass grave somewhere? Even suicide would be an easy way out to avoid his just deserts.
I thought the point of the show was that justice was reserved for the rich and patient, and jimmy had only the latter.
Maybe doing some volunteer work like Kim? Rotting in prison doesn't fix anything.
>still no explanation of why he picked the names Saul and Goodman specifically.
literal moron
1. to sound israeli
2. 's all good, man
Were you dropped on your head by any chance?
Also, who the frick is Heisenberg???
Walt, the day after the events of Ozymandias, being asked by Saul if he has any regrets made me laugh hard
Did normies actually like this ending? I expected nothing and was Dissapointed they went with some sort of soft open ending for Kim and throwing slipping jimjams under the bus.
Judging from the reception on Reddit, the normie tastemakers have decided that this ending was good and satisfactory. I don't see them being truly enthusiastic though. In the long term it's probably going to contribute to BSC being irrelevant and forgotten.
You guys don't get it. You are supposed to think that Jimmy is going to still be Jimmy. Sure he got his sweetheart plea deal, but he's got a heart of gold! He'll swoop in and save Kim with some double chicanery so he's the hero! Oh that Slippin' Jimmy! You were supposed to expect that. You missed the point entirely.
He got her there to show her he DOES get it. He understands why Kim turned herself in and faced the music, come what may. It's not about getting away with it.
You guys really don't deserve the show.
He just reverted back to his regret phase, just like he always does. In the end there was no character arc, he's exacly the same person, and he will quickly slide back into his old habits.
Go to 50 sec: https://youtu.be/wo2ARUFR7CU
>you dont get it you dont get it
I get it fine
I don't like it
But I get it
Why did the ending feel so unemotional. I hated Walter White, but I still teared up at the end of BB. I was surprised when it cut to credits
Don't get me wrong, I like BBs ending, but its so fricking corny. It fits the show because BB serves to satisfy the viewer so of course the ending is going to be predictable with a camera pan out while blaring MY BABBY BLUEEE!!!!
BCS does not serve to satisfy the viewer. Thats why some people hate it. The show ends with Saul disappearing behind a wall quietly because that IS what will happen to him. He will fade out and no one will remember him.
So are we just never going to see the scene where Jesse killed the dog now? I was sure they were saving that for a flashback in this