>saved last bit of humanity he still got left
>embraced his guilt and involvement in Chuck's and Howard's death
>won back the only person in the world he still cared about
>finally in his element with his peers who respect him
He won and you fricking know it.
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>I'm going to die in prison to own the haters
Lmao what a win!
t. doesnt understand how to be a man
>t. doesnt understand how to be a man
You certainly don't.
>dying like a caged animal, being raped monthly
Since when did being a man mean you are a fricking moron?
that's a lot of projection buddy
Most of those prisoners got their sentence reduced by a lot because of Saul no one is going to rape him.
Says who? I’d love to be the man who conquered Saul. After I frick him all up I’d ask “you all Goodman?”
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Not like his life really changed. At least he didn't have to hide and fear anymore.
He got his high life out of his system when making money with walter.
He spent most of his time with criminals his entire life
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You will never be at peace
You are a certified Appalachian idiot.
You're moronic
write a better ending anon (I'm gonna shit on it and call you a tard no matter what you write)
>he takes the seven years in comfymax
>show ends on him eating an ice cream cone as his new hot 25 year old gf gives birth to twin sons
>zoom shot to the names on their wristbands
>their names are Walter and Jesse
>fade out on crystal blue persuasion
>this anon projects himself into tv characters
You're right I would love an ice cream cone
>Saul takes 7 years
>Writes autobiography and self help books where he admits his regrets and becomes even more famous
>Wexler remarries him and tells him it was always her fault for leaving him when he was at his most vulnerable. They have frequent conjugal visits with very hot BDSM style sex and occasional foot worship
>Saul becomes golf pro and leaves prison a newly minted millionaire.
>He walks out of the gates up to a limo. The speaker is playing the Better Call Saul soundtrack
>The driver unrolls the window
>It's Huell
absolute cop out hack writing.
le happy ending.
haha look le fan favorite comic relief character cameo.
if this was the ending, the show might as well be a shitty ass cartoon
except there's shitty cartoons with less trite endings
ur moronic
>NOOOOO IT HAS TO BE LE "DEEP" ENDING
found this picture of you
no, it just has to be something that's not more shitty than what we got.
you didn't meet the bar. what you wrote was unimaginative inconsequential garbage.
saul get pardoned by drumpf to defend him in court
Saul was the hater
Jimmy was Chuck's brother, the man Howard respected, and Kim loved
epic for the win!!!!
>won back the only person in the world he still cared about
lmao
guess who was getting YEPPED daily when Saul was rotting in prison
What would the yepman say if he knew Kim was going to the highest security prison to visit her badboy chad ex? They probably aren't together anymore.
Saul had hookers all over his place during BrBad days. He did much worse.
>Difine humanity
>Chuck killed himself and howard was killed by lalo
>Won back?
>BETTER CALL SAUL, BETTER CALL SAUL!
>just rips of Dostoevsky in the final
>burgers go BRAVO since they've never read
Based vince
I'm actually rossian, I read Пpecтyплeниe и Haкaзaниe in school but I barely remember anything beyond it being a snoozefest.
It's the only book I've read I actually found interesting
I'll give it another read some day.
Nothing wrong with ripping off a great author to end your TV series. We all know literature is a higher form of art anyway. Based Vince will get someone to look up and read Dostoevsky because of this finale.
odds of that are as slim as the average murrican cable TV viewer catching the raging bull homage in this episode.
Razkonikov had a light sentence though
The entirety of crime and Punishment is Raskolnikov having a mental breakdown over what he has done until finally admitting his wrongdoings and trying to atone. Saul is being Saul until the last 20 minutes when he suddenly grows a concience because Kim might be in trouble. If it was intentional, it's a very shallow attempt.
>Saul is being Saul until the last 20 minutes
Did you even watch any episode in season 6 besides the last one? Seriously at least pretend you watch the show before you put this low IQ take.
was he not being “Saul” (fake distinction anyway, as chuck said he’s always been slippin jimmy) when he decided to keep doing crimes with Jeffy?
Rodion wasn't facing 86 years in prison and he lived with Sonya afterwards
Jimmy is gonna rot in prison why Kim fricks other men.
>Jimmy is gonna rot in prison why Kim fricks other men.
Why do you fixate on that, you weird probably BLACKED obessed pervert. You know there are montages of Jimmy banging prostitutes and having panties strewn in his bathtub. Why is the idea of Kim getting yupped giving you such mental anguish?
Except Raskolnikov only had a couple years of forced labour in Siberia and had a loyal girl waiting for him. It was a hopeful ending.
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>SPENDING 90 YEARS IN PRISON IS WINNING, CHUD
The troony Logic behind this is redicilous, nobody cares about "morality"
You aren't white.
>FREEDOM IS.... LE GOOD
I don't have a basedjak, but you can look in the mirror for one
>nobody cares about "morality"
How to tell people you're a Black person without telling them you're a Black person
There’s a difference between taking responsibility for your actions and throwing your life away for nothing. Making yourself subject to the mercy of a court that’s looking for a scapegoat to a criminal empire so they can close the case, is not honorable, it’s stupid. It’s actually profoundly stupid.
You morons act like there no middle ground between scamming your way into a 7 year sentence and taking the anal pounding of 86 years in prison.
>scamming your way into a 7 year sentence
What else was there? It would be just another one of Saul's dirty schemes. Fundamentally he wouldn't have changed and would still be miserable.
>Fundamentally he wouldn't have changed and would still be miserable
yes, exactly
Getting a plea deal and sentencing recommendations is a very bureaucratic process that has little to nothing to do with actual justice. It’s a back and forth of “you give us this and we’ll give you that”. There is nothing inherently illegal or immoral about it. Prosecutors expect to participate in this process. It’s a normal thing that happens.
The idea that Jimmy’s only two options were manipulating the situation completely in his favor or giving up altogether is silly. Makes a good lifetime movie moment but it defied all common sense. If Jimmy was feeling bad and needed redemption, he could have cooperated with information that’s valuable(which he was doing already), took a reasonable sentence, (15 years? 20 years?) and did his time like a big boy without having to be in prison for 80 years.
They only got down to 7 years because Jimmy was being such a brutal negotiator and basically forced them to. If he simply did not do that, he could have been reasonably punished and then moved on with this life.
Yeah I'm sure he will be very happy getting raped by bubba every day until he dies. What an epic win!
>can't stop thinking about Black person rape for 2 seconds
obsessed
what about any of his time shown as gene was more worthwhile than prison?
Talking with the security guards seemed comfy tbh
But do security guards genuinely liked him?
They liked that he brought them cinnabon and the boomer probably just liked the company so yeah
It doesn't matter. Jimmy obviously didn't think it was comfy. The guards liked him. He didn't like the guards. He only liked the thrill of getting one over on them. The point is his life as Gene was empty suffering. The only thing that gave him a modicum of satisfaction was his manager position at the cinnabon but you could tell through all the gene scenes prior to s6 that he was in spiritual agony in those conditions. Did you guys really miss the callback and parallel between the the scene with Jimmy in the holding cell in the last episode and this one from s2? Jimmy didn't.
spend some time away from Cinemaphile before you accidentally call your dad a troony groomer at thanksgiving
>redicilous
Yep, Black person.
>The troony Logic
what the frick are you talking about, troony? what a fricking idiot, can you stop thinking about mentally ill homosexuals and try to come up with a reasonable critic? what the frick is wrong with burgers and trannies? what the frick.
>the only person that had to face any real consequences in the whole situation is the fricking lawyer whose only crimes were laundering some money and cleaning up behind his criminally incompetent clients every time they caused a shitstorm
>Vincels will defend this
Jimmy unironically did nothing wrong and I’m willing to die on this hill.
>jessie didnt face consiquences living in a literall pit being a meth cooking slave for god know how long
arguably jessie had it worse
86 years of prison having nobody in your life > jesse having freedom after being a meth slave (for which he deserved not being a little 2 faced b***h to walter) ?
Mike died without even getting any money to his granddaughter he got it the worst of all.
>Walt
Loses his family, his friends, and all of his money. Dies
>Mike
All of his men are massacred and his family never gets the money he sold his soul for. Dies
>Gus
Revenge plot he worked his entire life to fulfill ends up with his sworn enemy getting the last laugh. Legacy is ruined. Dies
>Jesse
Both of his lovers are brutally killed and he spends a year as a Nazi meth slave.
>Todd
Entire family is massacred in front of him. Dies
>Lydia
Killed in front of her daughter, the one thing she didn't want. Dies
>Gale
Autistically obsessed with being the best meth cook and yet he is passed over for a junkie. Dies
>The Salamancas
Entire family is wiped out
7 years in prison is plenty of time to self reflect and change your ways. He'd be what, almost 60 by the time he got out? Plenty of time to make a positive contribution to society. Jimmy threw away his entire life for absolutely nothing. Hell he could've done the 7 years and if he really wanted to, confessed later like a cuck.
>i-i-if I don't spend 87 years in prison I'll spend m-my 60's in dive bars scamming drunks!
It would have been more symbolically impressive and sensible if he has castrated himself in from of the judge with a shiv, or set himself on fire. Garbage ending.
he wouldve felt guilt for the rest of the life
he redeemed himself, for kim, for chuck, for howard, for his father
he lived his entire life “feeling guilt,” he’s been slippin jimmy forever. there’s no motivation or reason given for why now the guilt is suddenly too much to bear
clearly the phonecall with kim breaks him
he was willing to get caught the moment he broke into the cancer guy's house
I don’t buy the “he was reckless because he subconsciously wanted to be caught” thing. that’s true for like severely deranged serial killers of something, not scammy con men who are just in it for the money
i think it was some sort of subtle message, like jimmy's villain arc began with walts cancer and it would be ended by cancer
>scammy con men who are just in it for the money
at that point gemmy was in it for the thrill, or rather not just the thrill but the sense of direction in his dogshit life. being brought low by kim collapsed the false sense of progress his burglary hobby gave him, and he reacted with willful delusion by putting the pedal to the medal and going through with the cancer burglary even though it was at that point way too risky.
I mean, 86 years is what sores the whole thing. Couldn't it be 20 years, 25 at the very least. Some amount of time that at least gave some hope to the viewer. But no, it's unabashed 86 years and looks bleak no matter how you look at it.
he would have only gotten the 7 years through his trickery. he was very clearly trying to face his guilt and repent. had he taken the 7 years, the guilt wouldn't have gone away.
Who cares? His life was over either way. He'd never get hired anywhere ever again, and all of his connections to the underworld were either dead or impossible to reach. He'd just end up homeless because Kim would have never forgiven him. The 7-year sentence would have only shown her that he still only cared about himself by playing hardball like that. She told him explicitly that he should turn himself in, but he never did. The only road to absolution was a complete confession and willingness to repent. He spent his whole life resisting the law by manipulating and running away from it, and by accepting the consequences of his life's work, he could finally live a peaceful life and remedy the pain and guilt of others as much as possible.
>he could finally live a peaceful life and remedy the pain and guilt of others as much as possible.
It's a fricking maximum security prison, you absolute moron. It's not peaceful and he can't remedy anything while being locked up. It's just pointless suffering.
He was clearly highly respected by his fellow inmates. He had done so much work defending the scum of New Mexico that all their buddies in prison would worship him. He could also easily keep reading about the law and even help other people potentially get out early. He had an incredible gift of gab, you really think he'd be suffering?
Hey guys, Vince Gilligan here. It's actually hurting my feelings reading your comments on what I think is a good finale I made.
I'm sure reddit loves it
bonnie and clyde
it's the crime and punishment ending fed through a BCS filter so it makes sense that midwits totally don't get it
>it's the crime and punishment ending fed through a BCS filter
That doesn’t make it inherently good or bad. To think that it does is a midwit thought process.
raskolnikov had a happy ending compared to this
And Raskolnikov objectively did something much worse than Jimmy.
He basically got a slap on the wrist. He didn't get that brutal, "reaaaaalistic" ending edgelords here salivate over.
>Wow wow extraordinary. It has everything I wanted and even more. Almost fanservice. This cigarette scene! He gave 86 years of his life just to smoke a simple cigarette with his eternal love!
So hekking wholesome!
I am glad that at last Cinemaphile agrees with reddit
So epic
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why the frick you seem to know so much about "reddit"????
make sure you don't do anything this stupid in your real life
if you were the most clever and productive person who ever lived, you couldn't achieve 1% of the criminal activity of large organizations like banks, governments, or weapon and drug manufacturers
the only person that deserves your repentance is God himself
this is the only intelligent and meaningful comment on that shit series' ending that i have seen on this site
He only won because the writers are too dishonest or too stupid to properly portray what a supermax really is. Black folk are in suicide watch right now trying to retcon a promo shot of a detention center suit to prove he is in another jail but that's just cope at maximum levels. They dropped the fricking ball with this one, GOT-starbucks-in-scene tier frickup.
In a real scenario Jimmy would see the outside of his cell one hour a day and probably beg for death within a week.
Yeah I was confused too, supermax is 23/1
he easily could have done 7 years and gotten out and helped orphans or something
going to prison and being seen as the criminal lawyer by every criminal is not exactly "redeeming" yourself
anyone who thinks the ending is heckin based and flippin redpilled has never seen the inside of a jail, let alone prison
He didn't take the easy way out for once. After all these years of being Saul Goodman and Slipping Jimmy he finally gave up his chicanery and took responsibility for his actions. He proved Chuck wrong by himself for the better and stopping with the shortcuts and smooth talking.
>Tooking responsability is becoming a scapegoat to a law organs after they failed to seize any other more important and dangerous members of the drug empire
This was always about Jimmy's personal journey speedwatcher. Nobody cares about cartelshit.
a radical character change in the final minutes of a 60 hour long story, with weak motivation at best
once he was caught there’s no going back to being anon. he would write a bestselling tell all book and go the Jordan Belford route
The whole series was about regret and wondering whether or not people Jimmy can change. You got filtered hard.
>never change your entire life
>not as slippin jimmy
>not as better call saul
>not as mean gene the cinnabon machine
>not when Chuck dies
>not when Howard dies
>not when Kim leaves you
>not when all of Break Bad happens
>then, in the final minutes of your series, you change so the writers can have the ending they wanted
bravo
>never change
wtf are you fricking moronic? He was changing for the worse all the time until it finally tipped over.
>then, in the final minutes of your series, you change so the writers can have the ending they want
>in the final minutes
Black person were you just completely ignoring all the talks about regret for the entire one-hour episode? Did you not see him struggle with how low he was sinking as Gene? Did you even watch the final episodes?
there's a difference between "taking the easy way out" and dying in prison without ever smelling fresh air, or touching a woman, or getting an ice cream cone, or coming home from work and taking your boots off without the threat of something clubbing the back of your head and violating you
He already did all of those things and more when he was a deadbeat lawyer. Everyone in prison respects him and no matter of your Black person rape fantasy will ever make it any less true.
I swear zoomers on this board and their sociopathic tendecies in thinking a man who's been running on borrowed time and with nobody left to love him should instead stoop lower into superficial things just proves you're inane and stupid
>the ending is unrealistic because Black folk are subhuman
never change Cinemaphile
It's unrealistic because maximum security prisons are state-sponsored torture, sensorial deprivation and the like. Most inmates go suicidal and the only reason you don't hear more about it it's because even prison reform advocates wouldn't try to convince people that the kind locked up in there deserves any less. You got nice reading comprehension, gonna go far.
>was going to use the details of Howard's death to get ice cream
>180s his entire personality after being told Kim cucked herself out of having a decent life
>confess Walt would be nothing if not for you
>confess you made millions and reached all goals in life the others can only dream of
>confess you should have stepped down not to get the first best lawyer in the world kill himself
>confess to humiliate DEA and their 7 year sentence
>confess to save the only true love in your life
>confess to prove that you're the only person out there capable of putting you behind the bars with the right sentence
absolute chad
>one, i only need one jury
>It’s McGill, i’m Jimmy McGill
i loved that episode so much
imagine all feds knowing who they're dealing with, knowing Jimmy will 100% launch another chicanery scam with the jury, possibly have one or two of his guys there during the trail
and you're just laughing to their face demanding in which prison you want to be jailed and what type of dessert to receive on Fridays
>chuckling to himself about how he got a guaranteed life sentence down to 7 years
>hears Kim might be in trouble
>immediatelly changes his plan and gets himself locked in prison for the rest of his life
He didn't have a change of heart. He did it to impress Kim.
>go to prison for life to “impress” your ex wife who will never be with you again.
he sure showed her
but he can do the pistol motion every few years of she visits him at all!
It's like Dostoyevski! KINO KINO KINO
>mfw even Raskolnikov got to keep his cutie prostitute waifu
You think his sentence will be reduced for good behavior
>Having an IQ higher than the average niggoid and being capable of feeling guilt
>all the ESL cartel-watchers
>all the speedwatchers
>all the zoomers
>all the capeshitters
I'm amazed at how Vince blew the frick out of so many groups of low IQ sub-humans. Bravo.
i hope it's just redditors swarming over /bcs/ general. No one else would have wanted a capeshit "happy" ending.
We didn't need a happy ending. A not shit one would have been enough.
you're lying to yourself redditor. You just can't handle a true ending. You wanted Jimmy to ride to sunset with money or Kim.
It's literally only redditors that are happy with cuck Jimmy
This
The ending is a convenient lie about being happy in prison. Jimmy isn’t a hard man. He’s dead within 5, or has killed somebody, or is somebody’s b***h. The US prison system is not a place of atonement lel
Lmao this guy thinks prisons are like oz or prison break. Laugh at this moron.
Everyone forgot who Heisenberg is, the cartel doesn't exist anymore and Aryan brotherhood which got owned by Walter and Saul by proxy are all dead, same thing with every person from the force who was outwitted by Saul and all his associates. He's going to be fine. Those prisoners remembered his shitty TV ad.
But the only way for Jimmy to be fine in Prison is if he becomes Saul again. Which completely defeats the purpose of him going to prison in the first place as his redemption. I mean, the inmaes even call him Saul from the very moment they recognized him in the bus. If anything, the message of the ending is that no matter what you do, you can't escape who you really are.
The real world knows him as Jimmy, who fricking cares what they call him in Prison.
No, the real world also only knows him as Saul. And regardless, why would it matter to Jimmy what he's known for on the outside when he will only be called Saul by everyone around him for the rest of his life?
Again it’s a Prison every one has a nickname there so he does not give a frick about what they call him. Kim is the only real person he Mets and she calls him Jimmy, it’s enough for him.
in prison he doesn't have to scam anybody because there's no game and no prizes. he can help other inmates for some prison benefits and finally be respected for being a lawyer
>in prison he doesn't have to scam anybody because there's no game and no prizes.
There is ramen and the threat of getting raped, you absolutely have to play the game if you're a lifer
I was joking. He's not going to be fine. There are still members of the cartel, Aryan brotherhood, police etc. out there who will kill him in a week.
>anons inventing murder conspiracies when no such evidence exists in any scene across all the BCS/BrBaverse
Yeah, bro. It's never shown that the criminals or police hold grudges. Everyone has amnesia.
Right, so you can point to a single named or unnamed character or faction that holds a grudge against Saul. Not a phantom you've created from thin fricking air?
Your mom. You like this shitty show. Any police officer involved with Heisenberg, any cartel member, any Aryan guy etc. All unnamed.
>Your mom
Kek. Okay kid, you had me going for a second.
All the cartel and Aryan members in prison, mongoloid, when were those killed again? Point out the episode and timestamp.
Kiddo, I asked to show me the specific instance in the show that any of those imaginary Brotherhood members has an in for Saul. Wait, wait, are you suggesting that Jack was the ringleader of every single Aryan Brotherhood prison gang in America?
Show me when all of them got killed. Episode and timestamp? I accept your concession.
Jesus Christ, hahahahahaha. You're asking for a timestamp for people you just made up getting killed to support a scenario that doesn't fricking exist. Were you always this stupid or is today a special day?
>There are still members of the cartel, Aryan brotherhood, police etc. out there who will kill him in a week.
Cartel is all dead. Aryan brotherhood is all dead. Police have him in jail so won't care. This is a moronic statement.
>Cartel is all dead. Aryan brotherhood is all dead
I forgot that all of those in prison got killed as well. Which episode was that?
>I forgot that all of those in prison got killed as well
Who's still in prison? Mike's guys got killed, Aryan Brotherhood connections aren't in the same prison as Saul, and without their leader aren't gonna be able to coordinate a hit against a guy they don't even know.
Bro. Criminals aren't just in one prison. Heisenberg and Saul fricked over so many people that he will get killed. Nice headcanon to fix this horribly written show.
>Criminals aren't just in one prison. Heisenberg and Saul fricked over so many people that he will get killed
Black person all those people are dead, you're literally making up new characters and enemies to prove your stupid point. Might as well claim that Badger would coordinate everything to get Saul whacked.
>Calling other comments "headcanon"
>Heisenberg and Saul fricked over so many people that he will get killed
>In the same sentence
0 self-awareness, this one
Dudes like a 60 year old lawyer who made one of the biggest drug kingpins in US history in that universe, he's not like some frail 18 y/o white boy
Saul's criminality is very non-physical.
let us dispense with the fiction that Jimmy got cucked by Kim. Jimmy was a cuck long before the show began. In fact, the entire show would never have happened if he wasn't a cuck to begin with. Just ask yourself, what event caused Jimmy to end up working under Chuck with ABQ? that's right. he got cucked so hard that his only recourse was to shit on some kids through a sun roof. you knew from the start Jimmy was a cuck. he had a whole 10 minute soliloquy about his cuckolding. you have been following the story of a cuck for 7 years. you probably followed breaking bad, another show about a cuck for 5 years before that.
you have invested 12 years into a cinematic universe about cucks... and now that it's come to an end, you are mad that the main character went on like a cuck?
anon
is there maybe something you're struggling to admit to yourself?
maybe you were the one getting cucked this whole time?
that's a lot of cucks
vince wishes he could write as good as this post was written. Poetry. Bravo, anon.
nobody gives a frick about happy or sad ending
what's sad is how shit it is
>He thinks ripping off Rodion Raskolnikov blowing anyone out of the water
Dunning-Kruger anon....
You're not fooling anyone.
Read more books
This unironically
The ending simps are literal pseuds
Honestly I haven't seen a better filter than BCS final in a very long time.
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>realize that your best days are behind you
>you will never be saul goodman again as long as youre wantes
>basically walter white/heisenberg in felina
>always think about chucks words
>finally realize in that dumpster that whatever money you have means nothing if you can't live without being paranoid
>decide to end it on a high note
>find out the love of your life is trying to ruin her life
>she hates herself and what they did more than you
>flex one last time in court, being the judge jury and executioner yourself
>Kim realizes what Jimmy did and forgives herself finally
>they literally show one single scene with them being happy with each other and more will soon follow offscreen
>Kim and Jimmy finally accept they are bad people just like Jesse did
If you didn't like the ending, you watched 6 seasons of a show and learned nothing. You're the same as Saul, stuck in an endless treadmill of your own inadequacy, trapped in the primitive labyrinth of your underdeveloped intellect. Vince dabbed on you yet again, and you're too stupid to even notice.
>I can't change, so I better just lock myself up forever
What a great story, what a great character. Beautiful themes. Bravo.
>I can't change, so I better just lock myself up forever
Him confessing IS the change.
It's incredible how so many of you manage to prove that you didn't actually watch the episode. Either that, or have the IQ of a fricking walnut.
It's very shallow. It's not Raskolnikov being haunted by his inner demons over the course of a whole novel before finally coming clean. It's the writers trying to wrap the story up in 10 minutes.
>It's the writers trying to wrap the story up in 10 minutes.
Did you miss the entire 60 minute episode with the very heavy-handed theme of regret? Did you miss the looks on his face as he realized what he was becoming as Gene?
He didn't do jack shit for Kim. He did it for himself, because he wanted Kim's respect back. He had lost everything, and Kim was the only thing left in his life that had any positive value. Instead of throwing that away and living the rest of his life continuing down the path of Saul / Gene, he chose to hold onto the good, no matter the cost. It was ultimately selfish, which is 100% in line with the character.
Filtered
He was haunted by demons and did have regrets. He just needed the trigger to act on his regrets, and that was when he heard what Kim did
Bravissimo Vincenzo
This, if Jimmy took the offer, that would mean Saul wins. And Saul comes out in 7 years. Jimmy dies as Saul, his empty shell.
if you thought the ending was deep and meaningful, you are a zoomer without any lived experiences, who has developed a moral system based entirely on Disney movies and tv shows. The heroic sacrifice archetype is a form of brainwashing.
It wasn't a sacrifice you moron, he did it for himself, which also helped Kim in a way
>The heroic sacrifice archetype is a form of brainwashing.
That wasn't a heroic sacrifice you fricking moron, holy shit.
How was it not? He literally confessed and lost his freedom INTENTIONALLY. THATS WHAT A SACRAFICE IS YOU MORON
Yes it was. You're all lying to yourselves. He was all giddy about managing to get himself a great deal until the thing with Kim came out. That changed everything. He did it for Kim. You're pathethic shills.
meant for
>You're the same as Saul
True, these plebs can only think in terms of material gain
>b-but it was only 7 years why would he not take it me no understand????
Kino ending.
What caused this precipitous drop in the average IQ of this board that they're filtered so easily? Did capeshit attract so many imbeciles?
Sopranos and other shitty shows like it destroyed everyone's smoothbrained mind here. Fortunately not everyone is as dumb as you are.
I like bcs, it shows that Cinemaphile can be more braindead moronic than Cinemaphile, I'm impressed.
This was a great ending. If all of you white devils would follow Saul's example: Admit your guilt and return what you stole from us, the world would be a better place. You should all be quarantined from humanity for your crimes.
I only really hate that they didn't have a song on the finale. Breaking bad did that better
I just wish they'd used the full BCS theme somewhere.
>7 years go by
Damn this kind of sucks, I could be a having a burger and ice cream right now.
>embraced his guilt, and will die in prison
>he won
Imagine having such a small spirit, being such an insect that you could ever unironically think this, being so pathetic that you could literally and with all sincerity speak and fully mean these words, being so thoroughly reddit that cuckoldry seems to emanate from the deepest part of your body, that the essence of homosexualry and littleness pours forth from your blood and bones. Imagine
Imagine being so unevolved that you can only think in terms of physical pleasures and things as victory, and not the cleansing of your soul and atonement for your sins.
you didn't understand the show at any level and can't cope others did due to higher IQ. why don't you just switch to something more suitable like the game of thornes and frick off?
life isn't capeshit son.
It certainly is in BCS.
The ending is a divide between slave and master morality. Neither side is able to look at the other without a sense of disgust.
Believe me, the defenders of the ending think it’s disgusting that you’d want to preserve yourself
life isn't black and white son. The morals have many shades and isn't capeshit logic.
The ending to this show is quite black and white, son
>didn't notice the yellow
this is why you get filtered
It's not about being sent to prison, it's about not letting Saul have one last dirty scheme. Sorry you got filtered.
finally a show for us white people
His choices were:
1. live in hiding forever (not even possible once he got caught).
2. Pull one more scam and get 7-ish years in a white collar prison, throwing the only person he ever truly loved under the bus. When he gets out of prison he'll be nearly 60 years old, unable to practice law, have no money, no prospects, family or friends left.
3. Confess his crimes, win back some respect from Kim, and live the rest of his life knowing that he did the right thing (for once). Spend the rest of his life in prison, but being a complete celebrity behind bars, and maybe even help some people appeal their sentences. Maybe get conjugal visits from Kim every once in a while.
>*BEEEP*
Wrong on point 2. He was getting 7 years regardless of Kim's CIVIL lawsuit. The only reason he baited them to hear his statement was so Kim would be present and he could do his grand Hollywood "IM JIMMY GUYS".
>Pull one more scam and get 7-ish years in a white collar prison, throwing the only person he ever truly loved under the bus.
The plea bargain negotiation wasn't a scam, it was just the ordinary course of the legal system. And he wasn't throwing Kim under the bus; the deal was reached before he tried to get more by offering stuff about Kim/Howard. That's why the deal before the judge at the start of the hearing was still for 7 years.
Morally, it was a scam, maybe 86 years is too much, but 7 feels way too low for what he participated in
The 7 years would have been the justified punishment. He was lying and exaggerating his involvement with WW to get the 86 years. For instance, he never did any money laundering for Walter, that was all Skylar.
>For instance, he never did any money laundering for Walter
He set up the shells and did the paperwork for both Walt and Jesse, and probably for several of his own schemes as well.
regardless, his crimes do not justify the punishment. This is like watching Oceans 11 and it ends with George Clooney turning himself into police custody and confessing to armed robbery, conspiracy and wire fraud and going to prison for life. What a great, satisfying ending that would have been. People simply don't watch entertainment media to root for the US justice system to frick over non-violent criminals on technicalities.
>regardless, his crimes do not justify the punishment.
Literally said in court that he was fully aware of Walter's murderous behavior and not only encouraged it, he aided him in doing so.
>He was lying and exaggerating his involvement with WW to get the 86 years
No he wasn't. If he hadn't helped Walter, Badger would've flipped and that would've been the end of it. Even if somehow that didn't happen, he'd have never met Gus and would've gotten clipped either by Mike or the Cousins.
EXCUSE ME YOUR HONOR, THAT'S CONJECTURE!
In that case it was all Chuck's fault for not supporting Jimmy and for denying him a spot at HH&M. None of this would have ever happened if Chuck had just been a bit more respectful towards the university of New Samoa.
lol he didn't even have to "throw her under the bus", the deal was struck because of the prosecutor wanted to protect their career on the basis of the whole victimization claim which could work on a jury
>did the right thing (for once).
What right thing? Him going to prison won't 1)Help Kim, 2)Bring Hank back 3)Bring back anyone Walter killed/Hurt 4)Undo his crimes. All he's doing is getting locked up. Prison is not atonement, prison is just institutionalized revenge. He and the whole world would be exactly at the same place had him ate a bullet as soon as he was caught.
>meanwhile Jesse got to ride into the sunset
What a joke
Regardless of what you think about the ending, the finale was a mess from a cinematographic standpoint. Dull, boring, anti-climactic, bad writing, horrible dialogues, at times even worse acting. They really done dropped a dookie on the work they had until this point. Shame.
Nice non-argument you made there.
im not arguing you fricking homosexual. im just saying the shows ending sucked. moron
>Regardless of what you think about the ending, the finale was a mess from a cinematographic standpoint. Dull, boring, anti-climactic, bad writing, horrible dialogues, at times even worse acting. They really done dropped a dookie on the work they had until this point. Shame.
Wow
Prison will exacerbate his slippin jimmy traits. These writers have no idea what a prison someone like saul would get sent to.
In jail he has friends and respect because he helped so many criminals, his conscience is clear, the love of his life doesn't hate him anymore and he went there on his terms. What life did Jimmy have as Gene or Saul? Being completely alone as a wagie or a sigma, withering away? He accepted his fate by doing a based moron move and broke good. Bravo Vince.
I definitely get this but he couldn't have said what he said, did what he did and got seven years and then gone to Florida and yepped kim
>I want Kim to carry me in her heart for a long time! 10 years at least!
Frick Marion
I FOUGHT THE FLOOR AND THE FLOOR WON
Bravo!
He won spiritually. He atoned and became Howard 2.
>all the redditors are seething about the ending
based vince
You must be really hot and bothered because I see a lot of these cope posts.
case and point
The stench of the ending isn’t going to leave the show no matter how much you smugly ignore it like the titular character does about his guilt
Remember, Jesse killed Gale
Skylar crippled Ted and was directly involved with events that led to Hank's and Gomi's death
Kim basically killed Howard
Jimmy never hurt, let alone killed anybody. He received the harshest punishment when his crime was literally just making money off of being a scummy lawyer.
>Jimmy never hurt, let alone killed anybody
Everybody that died when he got Lalo off is his fault
That's not how this works, a lawyer isn't responsible for what their client does. That's like holding a doctor accountable for saving a man's life, who then does something bad.
have you people even watched the show? You know Saul knew lalo was guilty and then tricked the judge and everyone else which means he even broke the law.
You doctor analogy is fricking moronic and makes no sense here.
>every criminal defense lawyer in history is BREAKING THE HECKIN LAW doing their job !!!!
ok
no son, lawyers job doesn't mean committing fraud by buying an actor that looks like your client and making a bullshit story to go with it.
That's literally the job of any defense attorney dude. Criminals are almost always guilty, only a small minority is innocent and they all have a right to a lawyer. Saul literally and unironically never did anything wrong other than the money laundering thing. Which morally doesn't justify an 86 year sentence.
>a lawyer isn't responsible for what their client does
Then how is Skylar responsible for Ted or Kim responsible for Howard, moron
You don’t get it though because you’re not a good white man. Good white men are born with original guilt, and they must face the worst punishment. It’s the only right thing to do
>you have to do what that the J*ws said it means to be a good white man
Lmao you are a cuck.
He's israeli, did you forget the country club scene already?
>Jimmy never hurt anybody
HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF!
You don't know how Rico works.
Ending's fricking gay as shit because he didn't do it for himself.
homies conning himself to get brownie points for a b***h he's never going to see again. Not because he suddenly gained a sense of morality or saw the error of his ways or had any kind of development at all.
And in order to make better he can't just do one thing, he has to do le ultimate epic live in prison redemption!!! omg epiiiic
Shit's gay, reminds me to stop watching tv shows again.
quads of truth
I'm genuinely upset at how cruel the ending was. I've tried coping, I've tried accepting that it was a win for Jimmy but no matter how I twist it, the ending just feels cruel.
out of every character in the Breaking Bad universe, Jimmy McGill is the only one that gets fricking punished, really? Sure he was sleazy, sure he did questionable things but he was never bad. He doesn't deserve to fricking rot in a terrible prison like that.
>there's suddenly such a thing as "ripping off" 19th century literature when Raskolnikov is the archetype for all the "misunderstood, isolated and dangerous" characters like Travis Bickle, Lou Bloom, K from BR2049 and many others that this board sucks off with abandon.
>we've lowered the discussion to such a degree that anything that requires a high school education is called Reddit.
:]
damn so poetic
not written good, just poetic, as in jail he will have to do shit that's 10x worse, because prisons don't reform people and supermax prisons definitely do not reform people
and the showrunners should know this, as they dedicated a huge chunk of the show to nailing the point that just because a series end doesn't mean the story ends
Just to get matters straight:
If you liked the ending and think OH WOW LE HECKIN ATONERINOOO HE MIGHT BE GETTING RAPED IN PRISON AND WONT HAVE HIS FREEDOM BUT HE HAS LE FRIGGIN REDEMPTIONIRINOOO
then YOU are the reddit side. Stop trying to change the script. Saul got cucked. The ending sucked in EVERY regard.
>Watching 6 seasons of a show just to get the entirety of character development in the last 20 minutes of the last episode and in 3 shoe-horned flashbacks with actors that aged 10 years
l m a o
>the writers were actually speedwriting all along
The writers one-upped their chicanery and did a classic bait and switch on speedwatchers by speedwriting the finale, making the speedwatchers waste all the time they thought they were saving by speedwatching a slow burn kino like BCS. Extremely meta, kino, based and epic. Bravo Vince, I kneel.
It clearly shows that they never wanted to have Saul or Jesse for that matter be regular characters in BB. They're somehow very proud of their incompetence and 0 foresight.
no you dont le heckin get it, the cigarette was in color and the episode was black and white, and they had multiple sequences talking about time travel so it was very SUBTLE, thats what makes the show great you know? If you don't agree that this was the le heckin good ending, you are chud
No no no no, they referenced le regret in the last episode which means the entire series was about it!
I do hate that it relies so much on previous Breaking bad knowledge because the trial takes a very large amount of the episode, instead of focusing on what made Better Call Saul great, the Kim/Jimmy and Kim/Chuck relationships
Marion will hire Todd's uncle's cousin once remove to shank him in prison.
Screencap this.
>Hey Bubba, if you had a time machine, what would you do?
>Huh? What's this about Saul? I dunno, guess I wouldn't rob that store and get a job instead, so I could be there for my son and see him grow up. Why, what about you?
>Me, well, I have so many things I'd do differently, I don't even know where to start. Ah, that's right...I'd go back 26 years when I was offered a 7 year plea deal but instead I intentionally incriminated myself so this woman I used to date likes me again...Man, that was really stupid in hindsight.
literally the only characters you could argue didn't face any sort of punishment are Badger and Skinny Pete
if you think Jesse wasn't punished what do you call being enslaved and forced to watch your gf die and then having to live in exile even after you escape? a rewarding experience?
it's like you Black folk have amnesia when it comes to everything before the latest episode you saw
shut up
Jesse deserved everything that happened to him. That whiny b***h was the root of all Walt's problems until the very end.
>Ran his mouth with Jane.
>Attacked Gus' dealers
>Ran his mouth with Hank
FRICK Jesse. It was so much fun seeing him tortured
Jesse's true crime (and unforgivable) is that he started selling crack after NA meetings to recovering junkies, JUST because he was being a destructive piece of shit. That includes getting Badger and Pete hooked, despite both saying "im clean 2 months etc."
Jesse deserved to die.
>t. me on the right
How does someone who looks like him get someone who looks like her? Asking for a friend.
you seem to think "being the crux of Walts problems" is ... a crime in itself.
well anon, what if I told you... Walt was a homosexual and I don't think having been an obstacle to him is a sin worthy of punishment?
Walt deserved to rot away in that cabin for life. he was a boomer sperg and annoying c**t with no redeeming features.
Jesse was at least nice to kids and was the only reason we saw any attractive women on the show.
frick walt
He didn't won. Chuck did.
Chuck's right that Jimmy couldn't stop himself, even facing lifetime+190 years, Jimmy found an easy way out, he always did and he ended up alone and miserable as Saul and Gene.
Now he's back as Jimmy and can have prison bros to have fun the rest of his life.
>he ended up alone and miserable as Saul and Gene.
he ended up alone and miserable because he constantly had to hide. now instead of doing 7 years and be a free man who can do anything he wants hes gonna be skillingers prag for the rest of his life
As Saul, he was a lonely man, a 'friend of el cartel', only Mike and Hookers were his company.
As Gene, he was a lonely man, a Cinabonn manager, only Jeff and Hookers were his only company.
As post prison Saul....
You see the pattern? Only when he was Jimmy he had something to live for Chuck and Kim, Chuck is gone, and if he stayed as Saul/Gene he wouldn't have Kim acknowledge him again.
Call me crazy, but I think hookers and freedom beats life in prison and the approval of your ex girlfriend any day.
Hookers fun doesn't last that long. After a dozen or so you just get bored, ask Arab oil princes.
Freedom is great but even Jimmy know it's too broken for him to ve free he will eventually end up wanting some fun (con), that's what he enjoys the most.
Being in prison for life is not "checking fun" you asinine little homosexual
whose prag is saul gonna be?
Why are every women in BBverse a b***h of varying degree?
I feel truly blessed to live during the Breaking Bad, El Camino and Better Call Saul live airing timeline
>last 5 minutes of penultimate episode and last episode
YO GUYS IM A CHANGED MAN!!
Dude all it takes is that one BIG PUSH that EPIC big thing you gotta do, the ULTIMATE EPIC sacrifice for maximum effect bro.
Do it on the spot, 180 degrees, just like that for MAXIMUM TALKING POWER on the forums.
Yeah, that was so epic. Epic for the win.
See:
>Hey, you're Saul aren't you?
>n-no, I'm Jimmy
>Yeah, right, you're Saul
>I-it's Ji-
>BETTER. CALL. SAUL. BETTER. CALL. SAUL. BETTER. CALL. SAUL
The show is literally spelling it out for the audience that Jimmy did this all for nothing and that he will never escape who he truly is. All the brainlets think he found redemption but he went to prison just to realize he will always be Saul until the day he dies.
And then they double down on that.
And somehow this is a good ending.
I disagree. The ending is ambiguous.
>Hes Gene by making bread in the prison kitchen
>Hes Saul by talking to everyone he passes
>Hes Jimmy when hes with Kim
You say you disagree but you agree with the dude.
Alright.
It would help if you could read.
>he will never escape who he truly is
>uh dude he is totally also these 2 other characters sometimes
Yeah, amazing. Totally reformed. He's only a slimy con-man one half the time now!
So you agree. Thanks for learning to read.
>9.9 on imdb
>universal appraisal on reddit.com/r/bettercaulsaul
chuds lost
ending is the epitome of nothing lost, nothing gained, except he's now in prison for shit he could have gotten away with if not for one hasty decision he's going to end up regretting
what happened to the whole almost-comedic "he's a wienerroach//he can't keep getting away with it" trait of Saul? he just loses that randomly in the last 2 episodes and has an epiphany of how he's going to change himself for the better and spend 86 years in prison, unless "with good behavior" is supposed to somehow tie into how he can negotiate a better deal and maybe get out in the old 7 years, idk
8/10
life in prison is the most depressing thing. i wish he did the 7 years and they played the full BCS theme. then before the credits play, the music volume goes down and you hear chuck say "he'll never change" as saul is driving a caddy or something
Is not a victory. He paid the price. Now that he is in jail he is basically dead. Deactivated. That's the reason for the black and white.
The entirety of BCS is Jimmy making terrible, impulsive decisions one after another, so it doesn't surprise me it ends with his biggest mistake yet. What a tragic character. Too bad we're not getting a "Slippin in Prison" arc.
>omg he is jimmy now!! muh cool split personality trope even though that homie literally said out loud in the same episode that he scammed his way through school as jimmy and not saul!!!
>WHOLESOOOOOME
Getting life in a US prison is just something you really don't want to get into. It spoils the ending for me.
If he somehow managed to get a deal for 5 years but make it to like 20 years with possibility of parole due to his confession, it would have been perfect. But you just know he will regret this decision when he's in for 10 years (unless he doesn't die) which makes the ending just too bitter.
If he's released after 15 years in jail he's gonna be too old to be slippin'. He might have writtenwrite some memoirs after he's out, might find some old lady and live the rest of his life in peace. Prison sucks.
It’s a fundamentally dishonest angle they worked from in order to get the character absolution they wanted. That’s why it doesn’t sit right with me
His confession wasn't fully honest either. He did want to pull out, but actually was intimidated by Walter to continue.
He didn't really launder the money for Walter in the car wash. Skyler was doing it.
Ultimately, he lied under the oath in the moment that was supposed to be his redemption. This ending tries to seem to be deep which is enough for redditors, but it just isn't sadly.
>His confession wasn't fully honest either. He did want to pull out, but actually was intimidated by Walter to continue.
If you didn't speedwatch the scene in question, you'd know he addressed this
He acknowledged that he was intimidated at the beginning.
He wanted to stop after Brock poisoning, for example.
He was intimidated up until the point he realized they weren't the mexican cartel trying to kill him.
He was clearly against the Brock thing but even when Jesse discovered the plot, he called Walt instantly
Kino ending, honestly. Jimmy will die in prison but is more at peace with himself than he's been in years.
>in a max sec prison surrounded by lifers
The man is no stranger to criminals and the episode made clear they have a warped sense of respect for him. The healing in this episode was internal, not external.
Jimmy was at his most miserable as Gene, and Saul was the way he got there.
until he regrets it six months later
Kim will visit every 5.5 months so it will be fine.
Nah. Being Gene was prison for him, which is why he got agitated, lazy, and sloppy.
He still relief at home and freedom. If you've never been in the military or prison, you don't know what's like to be under someone's thumb 24/7.
>dude we're 63 hours into the story this homie needs to change STAT!
>just like have him confess I guess lol
Brilliant
What does he currently think about the Biden administration while he's in prison right now?
IT'S STUPID
IT WAS BETTER THAT AFTER SEVEN YEARS HE COULD REDEEM WITH KIM FINANCIALLY OR EMOTIONALLY OR WITH WHOEVER SAUL HAD HURT RATHER THAN STAYING IN JAIL FOREVER LITERALLY FOR NOTHING
OR HE COULD FALL IN LOVE AGAIN OR WORK AGAIN
TEENAGERS FINAL
TEENAGERS FINAL
TEENAGERS FINAL
TEENAGERSS FINAL
>saved last bit of humanity he still got left
Nobody with common sense who watched BCS saw Jimmy lose his humanity at any point in time, they had to force again something stupid like the cancer patient in the final episodes to make the finale somewhat more justified
"Well, he FEELS he lost his humanity", sure, and the big question is why
Brainrot Redditors are prompt to see the "why" as almost a joke question because the only message they have ingrained in their brain is what obviously Vince wanted to convey: "This guy has become EVIL, this is REDEMPTION, the RIGHT THING TO DO"
People who have followed since the first season the nuances of Jimmy's personality, development, regrets, and considerations on law and justice are probably a bit baffled and simply wondering "Is this guy moronic? His understanding of redemption is letting the government put him in for 80 more years?"
>Nobody with common sense who watched BCS saw Jimmy lose his humanity at any point in time
Because we already saw that in Breaking Bad, moron. He was already well on his way down the dark side in that show. The cancer patient and old lady were just to drive the point home for speed-watchers like yourself who have the attention span and memory of a goldfish
>look mom I used that bussin new word again
Why dont you speedwatch the end of a shotgun?
Pretty much.
There is redemption, personal accountability and real confrontation of his real crimes like getting Howard killed.
Then there is judicial self-flagellation by making grande "IM SORRY" statements and being content in getting assfricked by the law for 86 in a max sec prison.
Noone would be complaining if he had gotten 10-13 years.
>Noone would be complaining if he had gotten 10-13 years
this. self-imposed life in prison for a main character is a shitty ending any way you look at it
People do weird things in court. I have seen it personally when waiting to get a traffic ticket dismissed - a guy who was going to just have a speeding ticket asking the judge for an opportunity to explain the speeding ticket and then going on a 3 or 4 minute sob story about being sober and relapsing, which caused him to not see the change in speed limit from 50 mph to 35 and admit to drunk driving even though he wasn't even charged with it.
Youre comparing a literal idiot with Saul Goodman.
Yes, I am, because Saul Goodman is the creation of....
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>Noone would be complaining if he had gotten 10-13 years.
I agree. It was probably necessary for him to face some kind of consequence or rite of passage in order to atone for his sins and become a better person, but dying in prison just doesn't sit right with me. At no point did I think Jimmy was an unredeemable monster. He could've faced his demons and made things right instead of just rotting away in a cage.
Yup. Jimmy never got anyone killed, or purposefully ruined anyone's life EXCEPT Howard. For that he did show remorse.
Now look at Jesse, who ruined countless lives by being a:
>meth cook
>teaming up with Walt and becoming a better meth cook
>murdering todd
>gets countless recovering junkies addicted by pushing meth after his drug meetings
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>murdering todd
That's called putting someone down.
Meant Gale, my bad.
>sold drugs to recovering addicts despite already being rich
>ruined Janes life by getting her addicted again
>sabotages his friends when they are trying to become sober
>causes the conflict between Walter and Gus, resulting in dozens of deaths
>ruins the stalemate between Walter and Hank by snitching, resulting in even more deaths
Jesse getting a bullshit happy ending was a joke.
>happy ending
>all friends and girlfriends 404
nice
>literally walks into the sunset in Alaska as a young man with cash
A fresh start?
Jesse actually had a conscious though. I doubt he will ever be actually happy again.
He already went through worse hell than any other character in the show though, even if he got away he's still scarred for life.
Yeah buddy no offense, but Id rather take Jesse's punishment and eventual escape over 86 years.
He still has a future and a shot at living a fulfilling life. He would've worse off without the events of Breaking Bad.
not really. he got fricked up for what, a year? Andrea died directly because of his escape attempt which he knew would happen. Saul has a few years of prison fame before being forgotten and eventually assraped for the rest of his life.
>show about bigbad crime happening in 21st century america with a corrupt lawyer
>character repents and comes clean
>proceeds to be assraped by shitty american justice system
>"wtf why wasn't it written to whitewash america's terrible justice system"
For the love of God guys, please, PLEASE don't photoshop a big ol' dick into this.
NYPA do it yourself.
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