The tenth movie of a horror franchise has no right to be this fucking good
Tobin Bell carries this entire story on his back like he’s Atlas
Saw X
The tenth movie of a horror franchise has no right to be this fucking good
Tobin Bell carries this entire story on his back like he’s Atlas
ok shill
>shill
This whole board is about movies, every thread is a shill thread technically. You bumping the thread makes you a shill
best retort I've seen so far to being called a shill
They forgot that Dr Gordon literally is required to do all their medical shit and keep a steady supply of anesthesia. It ruined the series.
>It ruined the series
That happened 8 movies ago anon
I have a funny feeling they're going out of their way to ignore everything that came after Saw VI.
Genuinely. I think Jigsaw is the only true modern horror icon
Ghost face is the second closest I guess but he’s lame as fuck and is a bunch of different people
Nah, Ghostface has no memorable gimmick and no actual menace due to the movies being shlocky parodies. Saw nails this. Jigsaw is definitely up there with Krueger and co. The gimmick that he's doing this out of sense of moral justification adds to the kino factor.
>no memorable gimmick
the phonecalls
John Kramer is menacing as fuck, the dude at the hospital trying to steal from the patient had no idea the kind of hell he avoided.
If John catches you doing some shit, you are pretty much fucked, not right then, but maybe weeks or months after, in a moment you'd expect the least. You'll wake up with your balls tied to an hydraulic press with a timer, forced to choose between your life or your balls.
> shlocky
oh geee i wonder which youtubers opinions you are parroting here
Not seen 6, but does Ghost face honestly not trip over or run into a door once?
>Ghostface has no memorable gimmick
Phonecalls, the voice, the mask.
aint this nibba been bedridden with cancer for like 20 years now? lmao
Not to mention that he's the only horror icon that can't be arrested since he never actually committed a crime
Actually he technically did commit a few crimes, but he crossed so many state lines throughout his spree that by the time they were finished untangling the logistical and bureaucratic nightmare trail of evidence, he'd already be immune due to statute of limitation anyway
(This was all touched upon in-depth in the bonus features of s3)
The Saw X criminals were crossing borders and continents already in their criming, Jigsaw might be the ultimate fictional YOLO gore vigilante.
Art the clown
Tobin Bell being mocapped for a Mortal Kombat game when?
>modern horror icon
>19 years ago
>modern
????
Zoomer detected
>dude, social media isn’t a modern invention. My dad had it!
That's not equivalent, you silly billy
>Ghost face is…a bunch of different people
from a certain point of view, jiggy is, too.
this installment was a dumpster fire, and i also believe you to be a shill or an extremely lazy troll
>Tobin Bell carries this entire story on his back like he’s Atlas
Of course, because the movie is retarded. Incredibly stupid traps (3 minutes to perform brain surgery when in SAW3 the girl had hours to prepare) and full of asspull twists.
In Saw 3 he’s having her actually perform surgery to remove the tumor. In X that guy’s game is to remove any chunk of grey matter and drop it in the thing, not find a tumor.
>actually perform surgery to remove the tumor
No, she only opens his skull to release pressure. Still had lot of time to prepare herself and had to be very careful. Here we have a guy tied to chair who has to cut through skull and remove brain matter. She only had to cut John's skull open and even that was dangerous for John.
The main purpose of her “game” was to help him, not drop a random chunk of brain out of her own skull. There’s no reason for that spic to have hours.
Why don't they just reboot the franchise to keep Tobin Bell?
He's getting old. They should have rebooted it after 5 or 6
Age+plus being a terminal cancer patient is what drives him. He's like Darth Vader, they can just keep revisiting his earlier days or make others pick up his mantle. We were lucky to get Robert Endlund to play Freddy for as long as he did.
>We were lucky to get Robert Endlund to play Freddy for as long as he did.
I'm ready for Kevin Bacon Freddy.
Kevin Bacon was in the first Friday the 13th movie. Depp was in Elm Street
X was a decent sequel that turned around and took a dump on the floor with a retarded ending, even for a Saw movie. If they expanded more on the main game instead of taking the entire first half just to show what was wrapped up in a 1 minute trailer it could have been a top tier installment up there with 2. The traps were mostly unsurvivable considering they'd end up in a vet clinic in the favela after cutting body parts off, but I can't really pick it apart too much since it doesn't even take itself seriously.
The first half of the movie was good, no need to cut it down. The ending was trash though. The movie would've been more interesting if Parker was just an innocent bystander that Amanda and John had to deal with. The people behind these movies seem very convinced that Jigsaw having a plan that relies on predicting impossible things makes these movies more interesting rather than retarded. Why cant we just have a Saw movie where shit happens instead of being part of some nonsensical plan.
Jigsaw being some omniscient being doesn't bother me that much since it's a cornerstone of every other movie, but I agree it could be toned down and/or used in a more interesting manner. The blood trap and gas room were as underwhelming as it gets coming from a franchise that prides itself on "oh shit" twist endings. We 100% got robbed of some way over the top ending trap just so they could keep the doctor bitch questionably alive for sequels.
>it's a cornerstone of every other movie,
*cornerstone of the shit Saw movies
Saw the movie yesterday
The trailer was better than the movie
It just feels like a silly parody of the original movies from 10+ years ago
>Saw the movie
As supposed to "Saw: the fucking video game" or what??
>Saw, also known as Saw: The Video Game, is a survival horror video game that was developed by Zombie Studios and published by Konami for PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and Microsoft Windows.
>The game was released on October 6, 2009, in North America and later that year in other regions. The Microsoft Windows version was released on October 22, 2009. Part of the Saw film franchise, the game is set between the first and second films.
Smartass got out smartassed
Sad that both of Tapps endings are sad. He is canonically fucked no matter what
Acting was pretty bad
Tobin Bell carried
No allah Cinemaphile, no allah
>Jack O'neill you have made too many jokes for far too long, and now you must pay the price
>before you is a toothpick, a magnifying glass, and a compass
>you must use these common household things to get out of the machine you're in that will rip all your skin off and kill Teal'c
>you have 30 seconds live or die
underated post as f
who lets this jigsaw guy keep buying and leasing these science lab hospital prison warehouses and shit
I think the lore is that he already had them all because of his job before he became a professional life saver
I thought Saw X was pretty good. However, I can't be the only one who thinks the hooker, the drug addict and the vet didn't really deserve to die. The hooker and the vet died because they were given unrealistic time limits. They did the hardest parts of their tests but just ran out of time. The drug addict gets killed by the main antagonist, which would be forgivable if Jigsaw was actually outsmarted, but he was in control the entire time. The hooker's death annoyed me especially. It didn't seem fair.
about the hooker i've also found weird that she got put on a trap because of the scam but her wannabe rapist got straight up killed instead, even tho in saw 4 he put another rapist on a trap
at least we've finally got unquestionable murder charges against jigsaw
>at least we've finally got unquestionable murder charges against jigsaw
It was Amanda who did it. No charges against Jigsaw. Yes I'm aware this isn't how the law works in reality.
Yeah, I'm not saying they morally didn't deserve to die. I'm saying the tests were unfair and one of them just straight up got screwed over by Jigsaw's 4D chess moves.
Also, it's a shame they didn't do anything else with the guy who passed his test in the beginning. It was nice to see someone pass though.
>at least we've finally got unquestionable murder charges against jigsaw
He gave that rapist a choice. No charge there.
They were all various flavors of favela monkey and were complicit in robbing cancer patients, for those two reasons alone they deserved it. My main gripe is the timing like you said, and also what happens if they are successful? Does Jigsaw just say "lol game paused guys, gotta bring this person missing a limb to the hospital before they bleed out in 5 minutes, i left punch and pie on the table if you need a snack", repeat over and over? I get that it's fucking Mexico but even those cockroaches have enough brain cells to figure out something is suspicious about a white old guy showing up to the hopistal every hour or so with different gravely injured people.
he would've had the israelite girl assistant take them to the hospital
If he said he's going on behalf of the taxi driver guy who talks to the narco guys outback I assume they'd believe him every time.
The whole point was that it was unfair. John was given false hope for this magical newage cancer treatment which was never going to work because it was a scam. Its commentary of how it was unfair for him so the traps were also unfairly weighted for the persons resposible. He still did make them possible but unfair.
I liked how we see him designing the rack trap from Saw 3 in this movie…. Only to then throw it away when he believes he can be cured.
So he was either gonna outright stop doing this if he was cured. Or he was at least gonna be less sadistic with them. He laughs and calls the rack his “personal Favorite” on the tape in saw 3. Thats also the movie where he’s on his death bed so I guess he’s beyond any semblance of caring.
Also worth noting he clearly values innocent lives and children to keep them safe. But was willing to kidnap and use Jeff’s daughter in saw 3. Even though he always planned she’d be safe regardless of what Jeff did
Timeline wise… anyone figure out when this stuff takes place?
>when John had his surgery
>(months?) later he captures them for the game
So Saw 1 must have happened by then because this seems like an early Amanda apprentice still. She’s still nervous and apprehensive.
I can’t remember, did Jigsqw actually recruit Hoffman BEFORE Amanda?
Hoff was before Amanda, yes.
I liked how blatantly selfish John is that he considers giving up his work because he's all better now.
Yeah, Jigsaw is very self centred when you think about it. His entire operation is really more about passing on a legacy since he lost the chance to have a child.
Also another question timeline wise…
HOW DID NORWEGIAN PSYCHO DOC KNOW JOHN WAS JIGSAW?
I thought this wasn’t public info before Saw 2 at least, and this was set before Saw 2
Are we supposed to intuit that she just reads a lot of crime news and figured out he was jigsaw from the games and not some angry vengeful patient? Because I don’t think he calls himself jigsaw even once during the games with them.
I don't think anything in 2 says that his persona (or whatever you want to call it) goes public? There's newspaper stories of him in 1, and especially in early 2000's I could see "crazed killer locks fatty in razor wire basement" doing the rounds.
Before Saw 2 he seemed pretty low key.
After Saw 2. His identity is outed by himself intentionally. And the authorities and media really ramped up attention. Especially since he kidnapped (and presumably killed) a cop as far as they know. Right after escaping a raid from an entire swat team
She doesn't know John is Jigsaw until she's in the traps.
Even in Saw 1 the "Jigsaw killer" is a high profile serial killer.
Apparently saw x takes place 3 weeks after saw 1
Whole point of the movie is about not having enough time left
>you need to cut your skull open and take out a part of your brain
what a fucking retarded game.
he could have easily damaged the part of his brain that controls his arms, and cannot continue, or his eyesight and he goes blind, or just part of his memory and cognitive function and he forgets what the fuck he's doing
Nope, because the brain center was marked on his skull. He didn't just cut randomly
I'm both surprised and extremely disappointed they didn't play it up a bit more, yeah we all wanted to see the mask shut but they could've had him hardcore tard out beforehand.
I thought Jigsaw died in like the third movie? Is this a prequel?
yes
It's between saw 1 and 2
He showed up in almost every movie after in "flashbacks" and this is a prequel
I bet they regret killing him off so early
>that moment when jiggy pulls out a 5D chess move on the villain and the main theme kicks in
kee noh
can one of u zoomers give me a link to one of those sites you just watch movies on like its youtube
t. boomer torrent fag
soap2day dot tf
AAAAAAA MODS
WHAT THE FUCK
Sad. It's sad that you have no clue and end up watching movies at low quality, while I'm watching them at 4K HDR. Sort yourself out.
>end up watching movies at low quality
Damn, just like we did for tv and dvd. How will we live?
I have like 7 different sites. My favorite is fbox dot to.
You can stream in 1080p.
Fmovies
it was fine, it was basically on the same level as all the other SAW movies. Tobin makes any movie better so it's slightly better than the post SAW 3 movies but not much. I can't believe you guys are calling it kino, it's just typical SAWslop
SLAWp
I was pissed that after 2 arguably unclearable traps the other girl got a piss easy one, hated the favoritism, i was more inclined to be sympathetic with the girl that almost got raped rather than a generic drug addict, i don't care that it reminded Amanda of herself
Imagine watching garbage made for stupid people.
>Actually manages to complete her game
>Still dies because ackshually the mechanism that was supposed to free her takes time to measure the gored material
>Same thing happened to the spic guy
>They didn't even try to force shutdown the machines knowing full well they did what asked to timely
i get that the plot wouldve been too inconvenienced if they actually won, but i wonder what would have they done in that case? I doubt they coud have actually rushed to the hospital a person with a missing leg and another with an open skull and removed brain
John is such a omniscient demigod that I'm sure it would've worked out somehow by pulling another perfect plan out of his ass. Maybe Dr. Gordon was near the area shopping at the Mexican market in case he was needed idk
>Maybe Dr. Gordon was near the area shopping at the Mexican market in case he was needed idk
LOL at Dr. Gordon just chilling randomly.
It was okay. Ending sucked and I hate how they made Jigsaw a antihero. First 3 were still Kino.
I fast forward through all the torture scenes in saw movies.
Are we ever gonna see the dream team working together?
Would be too kino
This was a comfy horror watch in a theater, it's only when you watch random clips alone that the gore hits you hardest. Kids keep sneaking into this stuff.
Saw X, the one with the fucking kid. Why? Why did it need a child? It's so fuckin weird. Also the antagonists were retarded and the end montage was lame. Probably the worst installment in the franchise. They should have just have Tobin come back with no explanation whatsoever, would have been awesome
It's metaphorical, even while John is waterboarding himself he's raising the kid up. Even when he has the moral high ground, he's elevating others above him.
Here is your new SAW movie bro
https://staging.streamable.com/1rjdr7
What the fuck she's 47 years old.
imagine the chad babies
are all eastern european women like that?
Norway isn't eastern Europe.
Shut the fuck up nigel
gigastacy phenotype right there
go back to your A24 slop loser
The movie was incredibly shit. The traps were really uninspired, and the scene with the waterboard trap was so silly it felt like straight out of Scary Movie flick.
The waterboarding thing was fine if you think about what time period it was actually set in. It was like an Iraq war thing in the news. The only trap that was really that uninspired was the radiation thing in my opinion, but it still tied in with the theme of cancer treatments so it made sense in that way.
And the trap in the poster is not even a real trap but Jigsaw daydreaming about what he would do to some random chink he saw trying to steal something.
which one is the worst? has to be jigsaw right
Definitely. 3d is a mess but it wraps up most of the story threads. Spiral is middling but doesn't deserve the hate it gets.
Spiral sucked because the games weren’t even real games. Just people doomed to die one way or the other. No tension because no possibility they could survive
They started with that shit pretty early on where the people caught in traps weren't even able to escape without the help of somebody else. No fucking idea what John is rambling on about how he gives everyone a choice.
Even in that he actually does save the judge though
In spiral it was laughable stuff like “sever your spinal cord before you get drowned by boiling wax”, or “rip out your entire oesophagus by letting your body weight pull your tongue out”
As if that wouldn’t kill you either way
>pretty early on
It was literally in the first movie
Amanda's "trap" was to cut open a guy who was paralysed and couldn't do anything to defend himself. She had one of the easiest traps in the history of the franchise
Logically I think in real life it would be damn near impossible to cut a man open and find a key in an entire intestinal lining then find the lock on the back of your head in less than a minute
The time limits always feel too short to realistically win. Like the eye guy in the start of saw 2
Could I cut out/open my eye to get the key if my life depended on it? Maybe.
Could I do it in ONE MINUTE? Fuck no.
spiral had something interesting going
Once again, Spiral is a good detective movie but a terrible Saw movie, which clearly makes it the worst Saw movie, much more so than Jigsaw could ever be.
this series was never good and anyone that likes it should feel shame
I’m confused on the timeline. How did she know he was Jigsaw at the end? I thought this was before Saw 2 which is when Kramer became publicly known as jigsaw.
Saw
>Dr Gordon I've kidnapped your innocent wife and child and they will die if you don't play my game
Saw 2
>detective new kid I've kidnapped your son
Saw 3
>Jeff I've kidnapped your innocent daughter I'm the only one who knows where she is
Saw X
>HES JUST AN INNOCENT BOY LEAVE HIM ALONE
In saw 2 the kid was safe the whole time though. Amanda’s job was to keep him safe from the other people. And he didn’t seem to suffer any of he effects of the gas so probably already had the antidote in him like Amanda had
Similar with the girl in Saw 3. She was just bait for Jeff to do a game if he didn’t go full retard and get killed. Hence why Hoffman immediately “rescues” her
Well I guess traumatizing kids for life is okay then. Thanks John.
They learned to appreciate their blessings
>girl in saw 3
>appreciate her blessings
Lol like her dead brother, dead father, and dead mother? Look back at her time suspended in a cage for hours. She is gonna grow up appreciating life for sure!
Yes. Now she will be adopted by Gordon and play with her new sister
The radiation trap felt weird
What even were those “radiation” emitting machines? Looked more like sun lamps than an X Ray
Also weird how Jiggy planned a contingency for if things went wrong for him and Amanda to be safe. But not to save the one girl who actually passed her test, instead she’s stomped to death by norway psycho bitch lol
>congratulations on freeing yourself from the radiation trap
>btw you now have like 10 different cancers
>i bet you appreciate your life now
So was this pigs blood or something? Not sure where he’d get 1000 gallons of human blood
If it played out as planned with the surgeon and her boyfriend. I wonder if they could have just kept swapping the water boarding between them until the blood ran out.
Just close your mouth and move your head to the side.
Their heads were locked in with collars. I don’t think they could move them to the side once the chains were fully retracted
Still, it seems unnecessary to swallow the blood.
If you close your mouth it would flood your nose and drown you quicker since it only poured in you while you were tilted back and down
Dr Gordon was running a blood drive in town for a steady supply
>sorry Paco but we can't give you your surgery because all of our hospital blood supply was taken
Can you fix her Cinemaphile?
Why’d she bog herself. Looked half plastic in Saw X. She could barely emote because her mouth couldn’t move right
she's 54 trying to play a girl in early 20s, the hair everything looked kinda bad
No and I wouldn't want to. Only thing that matters really is that she doesn't kill me. And frankly, if she liked me, and I'm not a guy who wants to kill people, she'd probably be following my lead if you really think about it.
this movie sucked. needed to be more sloppy traps and quick kills. it was all so drawn out
Why the FUCK did eye trap man not just turn the dial to five immediately instead of slowly one at a time? Dude deserved to lose his eyes. (Did this even happen or was it all in Jiggy’s imagination?)
Also I’m happy to see another person actually win a game. The guy with pipe bombs in his arms with scalpels strapped to his hands actually did it
>Did this even happen or was it all in Jiggy’s imagination
john was only envisioning the trap, I thought it was a cool concept even tough it was clearly an excuse to have a trap right at the beggining because the movie as 30 minutes of buildup
wanted to see if he liked it before committing
Saw > Saw II = Saw X > Saw III > Saw IV > Spiral
If you watched anything else you're probably not gonna make it and also probably aren't worth saving
You've watched every Saw just like the rest of us because there's nothing else like it and you fucking love it, schlock or not. Stop being gay.
I actually couldn't tell you what's between Saw IV and Spiral though... I know they are numbered up to a point and then they have dumb titles up until Saw X but I genuinely couldn't tell you what point that is or what those titles are outside of Spiral.
Is one called Puppetmaster or something?
6 was the best and it's not even close
My pitch for SAW XI is that Tobin just mysteriously returns and is offing a group of high profile victims. The cops can't figure out how he's still alive since they all know he's jigsaw and they all know Tobin is dead... is it him? Is it a copycat? This is the b plot to the torture porn... turns out it is AI Tobin deepfaked from the grave
>le getting outmaneuvered was actually part of my plan all along trope
nah it was shit
>that hallmark tier first hour
second half was alri
Spiral was a solid movie
I fucking LOVED this movie. Watched it yesterday. The emotion that Tobin Bell brings are insanely good.
I liked the ending where usually a door gets closed on someone, a door actually opens for the kid, displaying a sunrise. That made me smile 🙂
so what's the big crazy wacky death contraption in this one?
>You have 3 minutes to break your foot and break your hand
oh ok that's doable I guess
>You have 3 minutes do perform brain surgery on yourself
>You have 3 minutes to cut your leg off and drain bone marrow from your newly exposed femur, somehow without passing out from blood loss
what the fuck my dude
Honestly it had the classic saw elements, day time tv soap opera story between torture scenes. Plus that Hoff cameo was worth the entire ride.
she cute
The mid credits sting was fun with the black guy who was faking his cancer and had a fake scar. But what the FUCK was that device on his chest meant to even do? Looked like mechanical crab legs were coming out. And his arms were completely restrained so not sure how he could play any game at all
Also bizarre to let him see hoffman’s face if he intended it to be a game… what if he wins? He’d be able to expose Hoffman. Absolutely no logic in letting him see his face.
So looked less like a game, more like he was just gonna straight up murder him. Which feels unfair from jigsaw. Maybe he felt especially pissed off because technically this was the specific guy who tricked him into doing the fake surgery with false hope
Also, when you think about it. The black guy must have been going to those cancer support meetings for MONTHS. Faking his cancer for sympathy. All just to find some desperate candidates for his bullshit scam. He must have even intentionally bumped into John to recommend the treatment knowing he was dying soon. Rather than the accidental meeting we are led to believe it is at the start
Part of the problem of the SAW franchise is (aside from the rationalization that "the movies got dumb cos Hoffman!" bullshit) the traps in Nu-Saw are way worse than dying to them. I don't really way to go on living once I've used one hand to cut my hand off, then used the drill attached to my tongue to drill through my free hand into a shotgun shell that'll blow it off and tear my tongue out. There's no life for me after that. I'm just fucked either way, like if I tear out my fucking brain what's the point of me anyway?
I don't think it's ever really explored with traps that the person thinks are lethal but aren't dangerous at all, either, which I think is an interesting choice. It rewards you for making a choice that would be incredibly difficult to save your life rather than punishing you for the rest of it. Something like "jump into this acid tank to save this schoolbus of kids" and instead of melting you into human soup, you're unscathed because the test was whether you'd be selfish or heroic. But I guess then you don't get cool trap kills so nobody cares.
The point is that you either want to live or you don't. If you do, you'll do absolutely anything.
The funny thing is people are hating on V when it has some of the better traps and planning. V isn't memorable because it has one of the most underwhelming meta plots in the series. But I like it more than some of the others, because there was actually a better than zero chance for the tested to survive their traps.
I have no idea why people place the insurance scam film so highly, even if the poor execution was an example of Jigsaw/Hoffman's villain decay.
I'd say V has the most memorable opening out of them all, but maybe that's me. I just never forgot that pendulum.
I liked the opening, too. It was a great way of introducing how Jigsaw recruited Hoffman. Saw VII (3D), was cheesy but memorable. I remember seeing that and thinking the movie was upping the stakes with Jigsaw testing people live in public.
The main game doesn't tie into the plot in a significant way but the Hoffman stuff is good and I love the Jigsaw scenes in it.
Not sure why people feel Cecelia got off easy.
She lost all the money she scammed. And once the police find her she’s going to prison for a long time. All the evidence of her crimes was in that room with her.
Remember, they were literally doing this shit in clandestine locations, constantly moving around and employing armed men with masks to ensure nobody was an undercover cop trying to find their location, because they were basically doing illegal human experimentation mixed with major fraud. My guess is Hoffman probably “finds” the scene and ensures she goes down for her crimes.
Also. I don’t know if I caught everything. But they mentioned her father being “the real deal” a few times as if he could cure John. Was this total bullshit or could he potentially have done so but John has given up trying to get cured at this point?
Cecelia says it but she’s a liar so whatever
But Amanda also says it and seems to think it could be true. Desperate hope from her because she loves john? Or possibly legit? She did do her research on everything else after all
In Saw 1 he definitely wasn’t that much of a high profile killer that a non American would know of him.
Doctor Gordon only seemed to hear about him because he was a literal suspect and was brought in for questioning and to listen to Amanda.
Adam had zero clue there was some Jigsaw killer, and he lived in the same city as him
Seemed like the police kept the news as low key and limited on info as possible before Saw 2 happened. Probably didn’t release the known stuff like the puppet. Pig masks etc
The reason he was called the jigsaw killed is from cutting the pieces of jigsaw from the failed subjects. So I guess that got leaked.
She's definitely set up for a return.
I did think it was weird Amanda straight up said "we know her dad's the real deal", that some guy has cured cancer is a very odd detail to throw out there.
I'm ready for the twist reveal that Jigsaw didn't really die in Saw 3, that it was a double. Bring it
Finally we get mecha Kramer that the posters promised.
Why'd they make him say "EPIC" lol.
Saw II > I > III > X > IV > VI > 3D > V > J > S
V is so bland that I always forget all the details in it but the glass box. I can at least remember something from all other movies, still obviously better than Jigsaw and Spiral but the weakest of the initial run of Saw movies for sure. 3D is retarded but fun.
>tfw skipped the credits so i missed out on hoffkino
do i really need to re-download the torrent lel
I call that epic bad luck, anon
right now i am feeling helpless :<
Thoughts on Carlos?
>is willing to drown himself in blood to save a serial killer
>John “You are a warrior, my boy... A warrior!”
Interesting note. John and Jill named their unborn son Gideon. Gideon comes from Hebrew and means “great warrior”. Just to add to the obvious fact John saw Carlos as like a surrogate son
I wonder what this kid did and felt after a serial killer gave him millions of dollars and praised him. Clearly he didn’t rat him out
Will Carlos be the new Jigsaw in the reboot? If they reboot it I’d honestly prefer they just make a new one in 10 years and let all the previous history stay canon. New Jigsaw just takes inspiration from the original. Maybe get Tobin to still voice the tapes and puppet and in universe they say it’s an AI imitation or something
Hard part would be having a character with reasons as compelling as John without it being a copy paste. And getting an actor who is good enough to capture the screen like he does. Not an easy task
He's got a cool bike.
They have tried many, many times to replace Tobin and it doesn't work well (even though I personally love all the movies.) Without him, the series is dead. Amanda is a close second, but they are two peas in a pod considering they're both canonically dead lel.
The series is in a really, really, really weird place. People didn't like Spiral and there is no one set up to replace Tobin even though no one really wants that anyways. They also can't keep doing this prequel shit, considering how horrible the strat worked for Disney and Star Wars.
Perchance they just do the next part and they retcon Hoffman to survive in the end and he's the next generation. Potentially gets his own Amanda too, that could be a good twist to end the movie on (even though it'd be way too similar to 1.)
idk, i love this series and have seen all films besides Jigsaw and Spiral 30+ times, it's dumb fun but i still love it.
Doctor Gordon is still alive and free.
Just cut the man his check and give him a shot at being the head of the jigsaw cult where he has a few henchmen as seen at the end of Saw 3d
Gordon would actually have his games be truly fair I think. No bullshit ones where somebody HAS to die. Also since he’s a literal doctor he could make some more gruesome medical ones like Saw X. And his speeches and themes would be about healing yourself and treating your soul etc
Would also be interesting to have a Jigsaw balancing his games and his family life. Have him be retired from being a doctor (losing your leg to the jigsaw killer is as good a reason as any) and he does charity work as cover for plotting his games
Be interesting if maybe his wife or daughter eventually suspects something.
Also maybe a kino scene where he visits Adams grave and apologises for not coming back fast enough
What if Adam survived and Gordon is using him as the anti-Jigsaw to purge bad seeds from the Jigsaw Cult so another Hoffman doesn't happen
>just the man his check
lol'd. Either way, the problem with Gordon is that he just doesn't have much charisma and he absolutely cannot carry a movie. Hoffman, despite weird writing, did his fucking best to do it and I think he pulled it off really well.
Your suggestions aren't bad per se, I think Saw X writers really tried to ground Tobin even more and make him more personable, but I just don't think Gordon can do it at all.
people have been talking about this theory for years, even after you see him die + the footage from VII. always makes me laugh though. fuck it, make him alive and have him make a baby with amanda and that's the future jigsaw. said baby fights with carlos to be the true jigsaw
>the problem with Gordon is that he just doesn't have much charisma and he absolutely cannot carry a movie
He played Wesley in the Princess Bride. He has loads of charisma and can definitely carry a movie.
I'm talking about the character Gordon. Nothing the audience has seen from him has been overly compelling. His acting in 1 was downright laughable, and all of his small inclusions in later films just felt shruggable. I don't think he's suited for the style of films Saw is/was/has become.
Nonetheless, he won't be coming back, especially after how much emphasis was placed on medical stuff in Saw X and he never showed up. Which is fine, I could certainly do without him and his bland delivery.
Yeah he's just not very interesting unfortunately. A shame.
Oh then nevermind, you're right. The only way he could actually carry a movie would be if they rewrote the character completely.
Best case scenario is saying the trauma of his time in the bathroom fucked him and changed him. Otherwise he'll just be having a mild meltdown the whole film.
I imagine with the mid credit scene, the next one will focus alot with Kramer and Hoffman, then they'll probably tease Gordon at the end for the next one. so you'll get a trilogy with each movie being with a different apprentice
>"Doctor Gordon, I need enough syringes to fill a four by four by four metre pit."
I'm sure that if he's offered enough money he will come back. And I think they MUST bring him back eventually if they wanna keep an actual plot going. If they wanna keep shitting spin offs, then sure, don't bother.
>*recasts him*
You were saying?
Who would be a good recast?
Apparently the rumor is the next one is a sequel to X and 12 will be set after 7, so they'll probably want him back since I doubt they'll ever bring up Logan again
I don't think the actor that plays Gordon likes Saw very much, they probably had to pay out their asses for his part in 3D. I doubt he'll ever return again.
> horror franchise
Gore isn’t horror
Kys
I haven't watched a Saw film in over half a decade but I see a lot of the people agree that the traps were fucking shitty designed and both the hooker and the vet guy dying because the mechanisms weren't instant after the deed was done was just corny "LOL GUESS THEY DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH WILL TO LIVE AMIRITE XD"
>perchance
if this isn't good I will hold you personaly responsible
I’ve only seen the first three. Is it worthy watching the rest?
Only ironically, the movies get more retarded with each entry
They do get more gruesome though, so if you're into torture porn you might enjoy them, but even then there are better movies for that
Don't listen to the other retarded anon. Watch them because you're missing out on Hoffkino
Yes, they are really fun, just don't take them too seriously, they are meant to be a little silly.
Only if you treat it like a extended tv show.
I enjoy IV, V and VI.
this movie was very lukewarm
really meh. story was meh. kills were meh
jigsaw was 10/10 and an epic experience
x was just ... yeah its okay ... i guess 7/10. maybe even a 6/10.
just uninspired really. the most interesting kill was SPOILER ""in his head lulz xDD"
oh well. at least it wasnt as shit as halloween ends
inb4 reddit spacing, i could give a fuck, incels
>i could give a fuck
why did everyone get filtered by this movie traps? it was a lesson about false hopes for fuck sake
Because the whole point of the traps is to give the sinners the opportunity to win.
If you're going to give them impossible tasks, then it ruins the entire premise.
>If you're going to give them impossible tasks,
That's what Amanda ended up doing, right? Her traps were inescapable and designed just to punish, which is why she ended up losing John's favour.
iirc, there's literally a scene where Amanda tells Kramer the crooks should die for fooling him and he tells her everyone deserves a chance, same thing he says multiple times thorughout the whole franchise
I do agree the traps were a bit unfair with how it's barely not enough time, but at least it's implied he wanted them to have a chance, he was going to get Amanda get the druggie to a hospital after all
It was pretty terrible to be honest, like fucking really terrible.
Amanda 20 years older in a movie set before her characters first appearance.
The amazing twist is so heavily telegraphed five minutes before it happens and isn't a twist at all just a statement of the obvious.
Jiggy being "waterboarded" with his hands free and nothing covering his face whatsoever was the shittiest trap ever, you would have to wait for the victims to pass out from exhaustion for any possibility of them dying.
The ending sucked, she got off way too easy
None of these movies were good after this first one.
First one is overrated as well lmao.
It was extremely fresh and creative and it was independent. It was great.
The second movie is the best. It’s peak jigsaw. Retains the spirit of the first on a higher budget and concept
Also jiggy is just more in character. You have to retcon and ignore stuff from the first movie because he was a generic killer in it. He was ordering Zapp to kill an innocent woman and child for fucks sake
II > I > VI > III > X > IV > V >>> 3D/Jigsaw/Spiral
X would've been ranked higher if the ending had been more satisfying.
Good list. Although I still consider Saw 1 superior as a standalone movie, Saw 2 is great.
Jigsaw is the best one
It's one of the weaker ones but ok
My guys. Jigsaw in cinemas was 10/10
God tier soundtrack, traps were grisly without being OTT like later films, twist was very strong
Honestly the best one
Naw nigga naw, shit sucked raw ass. Seen it once, I refuse to see it again.
They're all pretty fun on a big screen. It's one of those horror franchises which I'd say works better at the cinema.
But to me it felt like a step down from the previous ones. Saw X on the other hand feels in line and it's one of the better sequels imo.
dis nigga smokin crack
3D gets an extra point from me if for the sole purpose that it had the balls to feature a public trap.
>Hello Anon. I want to play a game. To escape the trap you must break your fingers on the right hand or your eyes will be sucked out.
>So... break fingers that will heal eventually or become permanently blind? Okay!
>*Breaks all fingers instantly*
>Thanks Jigjaw. That was easy but you have taught me the value of life.
It wasn't real so it's ok, John just wanted to imagine the poor fucker suffering. A final design would've been harsher most likely.
The symbolism of the trap was good.
Your hands take what your eyes see, so sacrifice one or the other. It's a good concept, but it would need a bit more polish. Makes sense, considering it's the first thing that came to his mind while watching the guy almost steal stuff. If anything, it shows how good his mind is to have come up with that on the spot.
ay yo, nigga, I wanna roll dem bones n sheit, ya hurd?
So did the taxi driver Diego from the start just not go to the police after having pipe bombs stuck in his arms?
If he went to the cops, he’d get locked up too. Better to just move on
Tobin is going to be the only famous person I'm going to be legitimately sad about when they die.
Does anybody have any clue what the fuck this guys game at the end was meant to be?
>your hands are securely tied and you’re hanging in this bathroom
>now metal things are stabbing you
>live or die, make your choice
probably will be the opening trap in the next movie
>Tobin bell is 81 years old
>his girlfriend is 33
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This is problematic, he was 48 when she was born
Yikes. What a chud
is jigsaw supposed to be the einstein of engineering? he can create everything out of anything
Yes. He’s an expert engineer and architect.
He’s not actually that good at medical stuff though. Gordon helped with that
>tfw no webm thread of all the gory saw movies scenes
do you expect me to actually go to the kinoplex?
>only survivor is a man
How did they get away with it?
Did Saw X make enough money in the box office for a sequel?
78 million seems pretty low. Also they released on home video/streaming pretty early so not sure if that’s a good sign or a bad one
movies really only really make their money in the first 2-3 weeks, especially with horror, I assume getting it out on digital by Halloween can give it a boost in sales
Looks like 78M is on the lower end for the series but it was also one of the most well received, think another one will be pretty likely
The budget was 13 million so yes, it did.
That's why horror movies can afford having a gorrillion sequels. And its theater circuit isn't over yet.
the violence was too much for me. I find it really gross and awful. maybe I am just too old. cant see how anyone can watch this and find it entertaining
it's supposed to make you cringe
Congratulations on your sex change
It's one of the more graphic installments for sure. Bone marrow scene was crazy. Actress sold it well too.
I just saw this at the kinotorium and it was pretty good but talk about being blueballed at the end. I hope she gets killed in brutal fashion in the next one.
So what was his actual plan with the dual person trap at the end? If it was for Parker why go through all the rest of the song and dance with the gun and negotiating and all that crap?
It was for John and Amanda. John had anticipated for every plot twisted as he usually does. The only thing he hadn’t planned for was for the kid showing up and getting grabbed instead
Still feels like a bit of an asspull compared to his plans in other movies. Parker could have easily just shot him when he came in, or the bitch might have stabbed them once John gave them the upper hand. Way too much luck and assumption to be satisfying.
Either Cecilia and her boyfriend go in it. Or if cecelia’s boyfriend grabs the gun and betrays them. John and Amanda go in it and get freed when they grab the money
John just didn’t anticipate the kid being there, or cecelia being such an evil bitch she’d drag him into it
>John just didn’t anticipate the kid being there, or cecelia being such an evil bitch she’d drag him into it
Which goes against his previously established character of "le master planner" who's almost five steps ahead of everyone.
Does it? If you think about it you can name a bunch of times he failed to predict important things. Did you even watch the movies? Or just nitpicking?
>If you think about it you can name a bunch of times he failed to predict important things.
Name three.
John knew that the gun guy would come and betray him but who was meant to be in that blood waterboarding vs the doctor woman? Was it going to be gun guy? Did he know they would find Carlos and make him part of the game?
amanda
How did the doctor lady know about jigsaw? I haven't watched SAW since 1/2. Does he get mega famous between 3-9 so almost everyone has heard of him and his games?
It's set before Saw 2.
Well I don't really remember SAW that well, how does the doc lady know about him? Are his crimes really well publicized or was her family part of the game?
If John and Amanda emptied Parker’s gun after catching him, then why the fuck did they just sit there and let Gabriela die? There was zero risk in Amanda tackling Cecilia
He could easily overpower Amanda and cancer patient John
He couldn’t even overpower Cecilia
>that scene where he rips off the bear trap sketch
I kind of wish our boy Jiggy got his happy ending
It wasn’t a bear trap sketch it was a rack sketch from saw 3
Right. Well in any case, I hope the scammer bitch gets put in one of those too.
If John is so smart, how did he fall for the scam?
>inb4 he was desperate
When you're at the end of your rope you'll do almost anything even if you doubt it'll work.
I've been in a similar but less potent situation and I found it believable.
Does one really value their life of they're so easy to fall for some snake oil scam to cure their cancer in 3rd world country due to their desperation?
When all else has failed, you may as well try. The whole part about FDA approval isn't wrong. Stem Cell treatment for example is practically godsent for almost any kind of issue, and yet a large part of it is banned in the first world and you have to hop the border to get it done right.
Watch Dallas Buyers Club
People fall for scams for a lot less. I work for a major payment processor and the amount of cases we see every day of people sending their life savings to pajeet tech support, "the FBI", or their lover Carlos in Spain who just needs a few grand is amazing.
In fairness. It’s not like Jiggy is cash poor. If it’s a scam him losing 250 k isn’t actually a big deal to him. Dudes loaded
>It’s not like Jiggy is cash poor
How does he have so much money for being an engineer?
Watch the fucking movies Jesus Christ. They literally explain all of this. He made a mint in public works contracts and property deals. Plus he still just owns a ton of abandoned industrial and housing land and buildings that were intended for the urban renewal group until he lost faith in humanity and abandoned it
If you don’t like the movies then don’t watch them and don’t ask questions about them
What really confused me is why jigsaw shows his face to these people? This movie is set before he was known to the public as the jigsaw killer so why would he let these victims see him? He’s supposed to be smart and use a tv and a puppet would he not be concerned if they won their games they would expose him? Now there’s some doctor bitch running around knowing his identity before saw 2 even happens
He had no intent on letting any of them go, he's a hypocrite.
This was set just before Saw 2. In which he fully intended to get caught and be publicly revealed as Jigsaw. Likewise with Amanda since Eric Matthew’s son would obviously point out she worked for Jiggy
At this point Jigsaw had moved all the assets he needed for his projects into offshore accounts and shell companies so nothing was getting stopped.
He only has months left to live. He isn’t overly concerned about being exposed.
Hoffman was the only one he ever made real effort to keep secret because he was so helpful as a police contact
>Hoffman was the only one he ever made real effort to keep secret because he was so helpful as a police contact
And Gordon, obviously.
True but I legit don’t think they planned for him at all until the final movie given the legal disputes from the actor
How come the one cunt who deserved to die the most end up being the only survivor? Really annoyed me.
Classic cliffhanger to get you to watch the next one.
I hope she gets a worse trap than anything seen previously t b h. Not even Jiggy is as much of an asshole to willingly involve a child into one of his traps.
>Not even Jiggy is as much of an asshole to willingly involve a child into one of his traps.
He endangered Dr. Gordon's daughter in the first movie.
Yeah but he doesn't let things depend on the kids. Cecilia or whatever her name is actively enjoyed each one of her partners in crime dying. She's a worse human bean than John is.
What happened to Johns skin in this movie
One of these days his spirit will possess Billy the Puppet and he'll start killing anew.
I'm down for that. But Jigsaw never killed anyone to be fair.
billy already has a life of his own
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Was anyone else waiting for Jigsaw to yell "Game Over!" at the end in Spanish?
X was alright, but watching 50-something Shawnee Smith trying to play a woman in her early-mid 20's was depressing, especially since she was smoking hot back in the first few movies
Nah she always looked like a worthless drug addict. Which I know was the point, but that's not attractive.
Still would.