Say we exercise all the woke shit from DC and Marvel

What would be the next step? Would things get better? If so then by how much?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no it would still be capeshit

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't America forcibly outting Kate considered homophobic?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s called gaslighting Anon and yes it’s a shit move.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jean did the same shit with bobby.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Uh, no its just a joke. You're being overly sensitive.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      America didn't outed anyone. Gillen confirmed Kate is straight and America can't choose her orientation for her. This also why all those shit writers that came after him weren't allowed to out Kate and had to settle with making Chris chan level of dialogue for her that lead to nothing or stupid jokes about this like Kate hiding in closets with Jessica Jones or pointing out that all Kate's boyfriends are bi (never got this one but apparently is supposed to be a joke ?????).

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Marvel has tried to make everyone gay and even admitted that Jean outed Bobby but Jean gets away with it by being lol quirky girlboss again. Gillen only shrugged off the gaywave because he got called out as fetishizing "bad gay tropes" with his Wicked & Divine/DIE works and is bitter/saving face from being called a fake ally by the same culture vultures he tried to cultivate into sycophantic useful idiots for his portfolio.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >or pointing out that all Kate's boyfriends are bi (never got this one but apparently is supposed to be a joke ?????)
        Patriots still straight isn't he? If only because he's not been seen in over a decade. Speed... Wasn't so lucky

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, they said she never dated anyone straight so either Patriot is now bi or he never really dated Kate.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's kinda funny how bad american comics are

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Would things get better?

    It would be a start at least.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. There are many, many other problems with cape comics and the industry in general, but doing this is just a baseline requirement for the possibility of good stories being told again, and characters being written and drawn correctly. We can't even start to heal without treating the massive open wound first.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >exercise
    It's exorcise you fricking monkey pea brain chud

    Grow a chin and frick off

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They meant excise you homosexualard

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Things would get better but only marginally so.

    Thing is, DC and Marvel's problem will forever be the fact that it has a constantly resetting continuity. Bruce Wayne gets killed and the mantle of Batman is taken by someone? Okay, it happens for like a year or two and then Bruce just comes back and becomes Batman again.

    Status quo being king is the damnation for DC and Marvel. I remember when Lex was going through a good guy phase, only to eventually become evil Lex again. It's why investment of these stories turns out to be low. You'll have a writer putting out a decent concept and executing it decently, only for some other writer to come in and just set things back to where it was. It's also why the stories that stick out the most in Marvel and DC is where real shit is going on, real changes are being made. Norman Osborne is going through his own good guy phase... Wonder when he'll become Green Goblin again though?

    Woke shit is bad, undeniably so, but the next worst thing is the status quo and the lack of things ever truly changing. Peter Parker is truly the best example of this. Does he ever change? No. Not really. He's stuck even more than Superman and Batman. At least those 2 were allowed to have kids, Peter can't even have a fricking relationship.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thing is no one actually cares about continuity, forget it entirely and just tell stories through mini series

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would have unironically preferred the X-Men to be tied to Krakoa perpetually, or at least for another 5 or so years. Though I suppose it cuts both ways; if something is dogshit, you just wait it out long enough until status quo reasserts itself

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Outside of Batman, Superman, and Spiderman, have any of the heroes in DC and/or Marvel been allowed to change, grow, etc? Are they all stuck in a "status quo"?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I present to you, Exhibit A.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nightwing actually has an ongoing that's been running for over 100 issues
          >checks current issue to find out why
          >Sees picsreel

          Is this a joke book?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Those meme covers are pretty bad.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, but the lead artist just likes to do meme covers and experiment. One issue was all drawn from a first person perspective. The other was one single interconnected panel across all the pages. It's interesting.

            Those meme covers are pretty bad.

            Bruno Redondo has a sense of humor. You should try to find one too.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Harley influences Marvel, they make GwenPool
              >GwenPool influences back DC and Harley

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                influences Marvel, they make GwenPool
                Gwenpool is a heather antos insert created by Jordan White, who was Heather Antos's "work husband" back when she was his assistant editor back in Marvel.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You should read better comics to have a better sense of humor

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why does Harley think she's Gwenpool now? This is cringe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Isn’t this the only surviving numbering from new 52? Or is it rebirth?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The numbering comes from Rebirth. Batman also kept its numbering from Rebirth and is going for over 140 issues.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What would be the next step?
            Get rid of the multiverse, get rid of the pandering to twitter and tumblr users who barely read and stop making shit like this cover

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yesn't, really depends

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Status quo being king is the damnation for DC and Marvel.
      Couldn't have said it better myself

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This guy gets it. The problem isn't even one thing you can point at the setting anymore, the problem is the way the American comics industry has evolved to convince utter incompetents that they HAVE to enforce a mandatory status quo

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >constantly resetting continuity

      Aaaaaand post ignored.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know how you would even continue from there. You would still need to get rid of gays like Snyder and Bendis who have been kept around for no other reason than they've just been in the industry for a long time. Finding new and good talent that is willing to put up with the deadlines and shit pay, while also trying to hold on to the few good members of the Old Guard would be a nightmare to balance.
    Even if DC and Marvel were to die today, the power vacuum would just be filled by the gays you wanted to get rid of in the first place.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would go from gay and boring to just boring.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wokeness is only a symptom of bad writing, not the cause. The cause is untalented hacks getting to write.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Challenge: actually define what you mean by "woke shit".

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hey Op thanks for reminding me I need to update my filters but you're still a fricking homosexual

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now start writing some good stories damn, stop letting the Japs take the market everytime a new shounen slop piece comes out.
    homies want something exciting.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The next step would be to ruthlessly churn out noncapeshit content until some stick. And then keep churning more stuff out.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We need to go back to basics.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Beating the shit out of slumlords and throwing corrupt politicians out windows? You'll call that woke.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly even if all the woke writers were fired or whatever it would only go so far, Both companies have garnered years of bad reputation from fans even before they started putting woke stuff in them they were retconning fan favorite plot and character developments and spinning their wheels.
    Not to mention that the cost of individual issues these days is prohibitively expensive reducing over all sales even in the best case scenario.
    The whole industry really needs to be shaken up at this point it's bigger than just a single problem.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it even possible to run the Shonen Jump model of making as cheap as possible collections of stories? Why do I feel like Burgerland is too spread out to actually achieve this?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They've tried anthologies many times in the last 25 years and they simply do not sell. Even tried selling them in Walmart and Target. Fricking weebs thinking they have the magic bullet, shut the frick up you walking dunning krueger effect.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yep it doesn't work in Burgerland. You need a condensed society like Japan to pull it off. US to to spread out both geographically and culturally. That's why everything eventually just devolves into a big 2.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It worked in Europe. And still does, but not like before.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IMO that would be the way to go, either that or maybe a subscription model but at this point people are so burnt out by streaming services I don't think anyone would pay to read comics digitally, even normalgays these days know how to pirate comics.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is it even possible to run the Shonen Jump model of making as cheap as possible collections of stories? Why do I feel like Burgerland is too spread out to actually achieve this?

      The single floppies have a healthy collector's market, that's why. Manga has its sales based on cheap black & white tankobon but full color Comics are for collectors.

      Add in people willing to spend $20 on a variant cover or a graded collectable version and there's a LOT of money to be made.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll tell you what the REAL problem with dc and marvel is. Having a political view for your story isnt a bad thing, it becomes bad when its shoved down and thrown in your face.

    But the REAL problem with DC and marvel is that their main line of comics are writing for old fans. Thats it. You pick up a flash, superman, green lantern comic they already expect you to know about the universe resets, established characters. There is no true "beginning" in new comic universes, they expect you to know the characters and they expect you to already love them.

    Pick up a manga, there is a true beginning, first introductions to everything. For DC its just another multiverse for established fans to joy.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish the America Anon was writing America Chavez comics.
    His ideas were the opposite of this woke garbage. He thought she should be portrayed as a dumb, angry, ptsd riddled alien who has to face her past and overcome her refusal to open up to other people.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fire all lgbtpedofile, poc and female writers and artists as well as any that support the woke agenda. Only hire competent straight white men. Start with a complete universe reset with all woke legacy replacements and all woke changes to existing characters removed. Then follow the manga format of numbering so people can read from issue one. Ban all retcons. Keep writers and artists on books long term. Drop the cost of individual issues and focus on trades. Also limit cross overs to yearly at most.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Your solution is just as terrible as OP's solution.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have no solution. Get lost wokey.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because hiring a bunch of seethings would definitely be great for DC/Marvel. Congrats, DC/Marvel continue to be just as shit as it was prior.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have no solution. The "anti-woke" crowd does have a solution.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Replacing 1 extreme with another extreme is just moronic. You don't add more shit to the pile of shit already present. You just end up with even more shit stinking up the place. But if you are the type of person that got a scat fetish, ignore what I said and just continue enjoying your shit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Woke is the extreme. Anti-woke is/was the normal. You have no solution.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Woke means "allowing anything that is not me to exist".

                So woke is bad.

                Everything must be me.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bullet in the head is also a “solution”.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The solution is to make everyone and everything be me.

                As long as not me exists, me is in danger.

                Me can only be safe if me get rid of all not me. If me is all there is, me will be safe forever.

                Me just want be safe.

                Why me no can be safe?

                Why not me no want be me?

                Me better than not me because me am me.

                Me... meee... meeeeeeeeeee...

                MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Woke means "allowing anything that is not me to exist".

                So woke is bad.

                Everything must be me.

                dumb frogposter

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Only hire competent straight white men
      the narcissistic delusion of this post

      Getting rid of all the "wokeshit" won't suddenly improve the terrible writing from the bunch of hacks already writing for DC and Marvel. Pretty delusional of you to think otherwise.

      this. the problem isnt the "woke" shit; its the shit writing in general

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Keep writers and artists on books long term.
      This is not practical. What you need is a competency standard for artists so they can stick to a (flexible, informal) “house style” — which is to say superhero comics that look like superhero comics, with some degree of polish, and not whatever the frick this is

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Getting rid of all the "wokeshit" won't suddenly improve the terrible writing from the bunch of hacks already writing for DC and Marvel. Pretty delusional of you to think otherwise.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Would things get better?
    No. Things being shit is why we needed woke stuff

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pop culture will unfrick itself if/when male purchasing power goes back to pre-recession levels. In the meantime it’s women or bust, and usually bust.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Won't change that the editors are morons and the writers are pretty shit.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Make every Marvel and DC character me, and then make everyone in real life me, and then make everything me.

    I won't be happy until literally everything and everyone is me forever.

    Me is better than not me because me is me.

    Why won't everyone just be me?

    Me is meeeeeeeeeee.

    Me me me me me me me me.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because at the end of the day Comic Writers will still do stupid shit.
    One More Day did not happen because of Woke Ideology
    All Star Batman did not happen because of Woke Ideology
    Doomsday Clock did not happen because of Woke Ideology
    Removing it would certainly help but comics still had plenty of baggage even before then.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Like wich decade? 80s, 90s?

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