Seinfeld rejects the "talented but lazy" idiom and says talent includes work ethic and discipline and that if you don't have a good wor...

Seinfeld rejects the "talented but lazy" idiom and says talent includes work ethic and discipline and that if you don't have a good work ethic and the discipline needed to succeed you're not talented. Is he right?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Seinfeld was carried by Larry David so who cares

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. Jerry wouldn't know talent if it slapped him in the face

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Jerry was one of the biggest stand ups before he ever had a tv show

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He made TV appearances and that's about it

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        he really wasn't, the news would say he was big but nobody watched or liked his standup
        >AIRLINE PEANUTS?!
        in contrast to eddie murphy who was a legitimate stand up superstar

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nope.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No way, he was reasonably well known through late night performances but he was just mid level, pretty much the same as the Jerry he portrays in the show. The show made him and the show wouldn't have been a hit without Larry. While you could potentially say the inverse, Larry was more integral to the success of Seinfeld and without Jerry Larry could have contributed on another show but Jerry wouldn't have done anything extraordinary without Larry.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. Jerry was also carried by his parents so he didn't need to work a real job, just hit the comedy clubs.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    "I’m smart and talented but lazy" has always been loser cope

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bill Murray
      Randy Orton
      Daniel Day Lewis

      All very talented people, but lazy when it comes to “work ethic”

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        DDL? You cant be serious

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >one got clout from my left foot and only works when he wants to
        >one got clout from ghostbusters and only works when he wants to
        prior to that worked every year and even several films a year. you make it sound like their success just land on their lap when even in their earlier films you can see them working on their craft. dunno the other guy

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What a nonsense statement.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yep. It’s like the parents who say “my kid is super smart he just doesn’t take tests well!”

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Tests are career pathing for being an office drone, frick ‘em,
        There are still trades jobs where being quick to a solution matters.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          toiletman

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah and who are you going to call when your plumbing gets fricked milksop?
            Going to do it yourself? We both know you’re too dumb for that tbh.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I broke you with just a one word. Imagine what would happen if I really wanted to break you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                If you knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be posing.
                Otoh, if we weren’t anon, I’d make sure you got the “special rate” from any tradie you had to call while quaking in fear of dealing with the problem yourself lel.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        kek this. or “my kid is smart he just doesn’t try hard!”

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >anon knows what conversations from the parent side of things look like
          Kinda embarrassing, boomer.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >i can’t breed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The smartest person i ever personally knew was somebody i met in law school that never studied or anything but managed to stay in the middle of the pack and pass his classes. He scored extremely high on the lsat relative to his gpa and passed the bar despite barely studying for it. Last i talked to him he is working some mediocre job that lets him skate by

      In class and in person it was obvious he should be in harvard or something. I think the real cause of his laziness was that his parents died or something

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        i was like this. got "smart but doesnt try" on report cards. did the bare minimum and got out of hs with Cs. accidentally got on the honor list my first college semester bc i was afraid of failing. then just did bare minimum and graduated 3.4 avg. dicked around in min wage jobs for 6 years

        turns out i had adhd. got addies and a couple years later making 6 figures.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I similar problems and adhd runs in my family, i just really dont want to get diagnoaed take the meds

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >free legal speed
            I… Don’t see the problem?
            Is it because it’s called “medication”?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              No, i dont take anything at all ever other than food and drinks. Plus when i was a kid i was short for my age and they wanted to give me hormones or something which i refused and now im 6 foot exactly, hate doctors

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >it’s the “caffeine isn’t a drug” cope
                Yawn

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't say that, and i didnt say my position was even rational

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            its likely worth it. before i would wake up and dread having to "do things" all day. i was happiest when i could just sit in front my computer with shows on one monitor and games or scrolling on the other. could do that 10 hours straight.

            now i wake up and feel motivated to actually accomplish things.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I have never known one person to rant and rave about his stand up after seeing him live, I do however hear countless stories about how funny the writing of Larry David is.
    Bobcat has more talent than this guy, which is why Robin Williams fricked with him, and not this sniveling Conniving israelite

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I actually saw him live like 10 years ago and remember it being pretty funny. I got a kick out of it

      But yeah, as far as his career in general goes, without Larry David he'd be nothing special

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >I actually saw him live like 10 years ago
        and you probably heard him telling jokes that were already 20+ years old.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    "talented but lazy" is like those "former gifted kids" who think they had all the potential in the world but in reality they were just above average

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw smart but lazy
    how do i fix myself bros?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically stop thinking too much and just do.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You don't
      t. 43 year old loser

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why do you want to fix yourself?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      first, why do you think you're smart?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I scored a 130 on an iq test

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I played an Indiana Jones video game in the 90's that said my IQ was over 500

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      you're not as smart as you think you are

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Get on that middle class lmao drug but legal prescription.
      Speed is great for annulling laziness.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Do things and realize it sucks to work, but you feel better after working.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >you feel better after working.
        Horseshit.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What do you do for a living then?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Insurance. It makes me want to kill myself.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              So what's stopping you from following your passion?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Past failures.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                How about you stop living in the past and get rid of self pity?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this

      you're not as smart as you think you are

      always thought I was smart and most people seemed dumber in conversation because I was a lazy piece of shit that spent all day reading up on all kinds of stuff so soaking up knowledge and regurgitating it at people that didn't give a frick gave me this giant false sense of superiority, tried the self-improvement meme and focused on CS, being with actual power autists/logic machines during studies was the first humbling experience but I figured they're only good because they're ivory tower autists, got into fintech, realized there are plenty smart well-kept sociable people that are literally better than me in every way as a person, and they're not even that high up the ladder nor are they rare, just basically any mildly successful (fin)tech professional will be about as smart and way more driven than anyone posting ITT including myself. And having social intelligence and being a likeable guy absolutely makes you a better person, so even if you're math's major smart, a friendly business bro is still a way better person than you in every way, besides there are guys with PhDs in Data Science that frick and are a million times nicer than any anon that could read this post.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >business people
        >smart
        if they were smart they would stay out of something as dreadfully boring as business

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I was using them to make a point that social intelligence matches logical intelligence 2:1 when it comes to if you should feel superior to the other person because you're "smarter". Also the ones I've met really do punch way above their weight of how much money they make based on their raw IQ, they would've probably either flunked out or been stuck if they had picked a different field

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            IQ highly correlates with income.
            >social intelligence
            Thats cope

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >IQ highly correlates with income.

              IQ highly correlates with being a good goy wagie.

              It's the 90IQ "Bhad Bahbie"s, Joe Rogans, or Kanye midwits that make 9 figures.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No, those people are lucky or have work ethic that exceeds their intelligence

                Iq highly correlates with income

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >lets do moronic bullshit jobs (that's probably severely overworked since it's in finance) because it makes me money
            americans are mentally ill

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >friendly business bro is still a way better person than you in every way
        Except he bought into the meme that business without bounds rules the world.

        He’ll have a midlife crisis, and I hope he enjoys it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If he's as socially intelligent and financially successful as

          this [...]
          always thought I was smart and most people seemed dumber in conversation because I was a lazy piece of shit that spent all day reading up on all kinds of stuff so soaking up knowledge and regurgitating it at people that didn't give a frick gave me this giant false sense of superiority, tried the self-improvement meme and focused on CS, being with actual power autists/logic machines during studies was the first humbling experience but I figured they're only good because they're ivory tower autists, got into fintech, realized there are plenty smart well-kept sociable people that are literally better than me in every way as a person, and they're not even that high up the ladder nor are they rare, just basically any mildly successful (fin)tech professional will be about as smart and way more driven than anyone posting ITT including myself. And having social intelligence and being a likeable guy absolutely makes you a better person, so even if you're math's major smart, a friendly business bro is still a way better person than you in every way, besides there are guys with PhDs in Data Science that frick and are a million times nicer than any anon that could read this post.

          is positing, then he should have a wife and family that love him and should weather his midlife just fine.

          The people hit the hardest by their midlife are those who have spent the first half of their life failing at everything, with the cope that they'll be better at life sometime later. Then they hit the middle of their life, realize everything is all downhill for them, and have a mental breakdown because of it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, he’ll have the fallback cope that his kids will be better.
            Spoiler, they won’t, but they’ll probably make it to the great question in a different and - to bizbro- interesting way.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      develop a good work ethic and discipline haha

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      lookup ways to learn self-discipline - your intelligence should make it easy to learn and adapt to your situation
      if you still struggle then start with small acts of willpower eg forcing yourself to do some small thing you hate but can cope with it for a short time, then build on that incrementally.

      I used to be a lazy frick like that, then I got a job working 12 hour shifts in a datacentre on my feet most of the day and it toughened me up.
      Good luck, the hard part is not letting yourself backslide and always trying again if you fail.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        WILL and INT aren’t on orthogonal grids in DnD by accident, dude.
        You can’t use intelligence to make willpower if you just stop giving a frick halfway through every day and go to bed instead.

        Good job getting a job but that was what forged some semblance of will within yourself, not an unchained intelligence.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If you're taking your philosophy from a game you might have misrepresented your intelligence.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      get them pills,
      and start doing.
      That skill that you wanted to learn, you can probably find free tutorials (maybe even an app in your phone to get you started)
      take a walk (or run) as soon as you get up
      do some push-ups when you get back inside
      and then do the thing you want to do
      every day

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    To an extent he's right, because nobody will care about your talent if you don't put in the work to prove it and show it. Undeveloped talent is wasteful and useless, but it does represent potential.

    But it should be noted that Seinfeld obviously has an axe to grind on this topic because he has absolutely no talent, he only has the work ethic and discipline without any spark of genius or true creativity, and if he'd never met Larry David he would've been forgotten a long time ago

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Undeveloped talent
      There is no such thing. Talent undeveloped is not talent at all. The only people who could plausibly claim to be talented but lazy are people who developed and demonstrated talent, then stopped doing anything and decided to be lazy instead.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    kind of ironic for jerry to give lectures about talent innit?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He's playing semantics games to bash lazy people for some reason. Nobody is ever referring to work ethic when they talk about talent therefore work ethic is not a factor. It's that simple.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      passe' take. You could have discipline but being overwhelmed by life problems. Solved them, things could improve very fast.
      You could also be talented but prioritizing other stuff first, for reasons beyond insanity.
      There are many nonlinear variables in life. Just stop judging others by these very measurable metrics

      This.

      Everytime I hear him speak in a non-comedy setting he comes off as a real jerk

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's well known that he's an butthole who's really far up his own sphincter. IIRC his costars quietly resent him for israeliteing them out of residuals

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >IIRC his costars quietly resent him for israeliteing them out of residuals

          supposedly richards doesn't mind, but jason was vocal

          >"Julia, Michael and I, during our big renegotiation for the final year, asked for something that I will go to my grave saying we should have had, and that is back-end participation in the profits for the show. "It was categorically denied to us, which forced us to then ask for ungodly salaries," he said. "We make very little, standard Screen Actors Guild residuals for the reruns," he said.

          >"When the DVDs came up, we were being asked to provide new services," he said. "We had no problem with the DVDs being released, but then they said, 'We want you to perform new services. We want to do interviews and create additional footage and additional material.' Why would we do that? They said, 'Because of the legacy of the show.' "Well, the character of George is not a millstone around my neck but I had to turn to my former bosses and say, 'I'm not invested in the longevity of the show. The longevity of the show actually is a detriment to me right now. It keeps me from getting certain kind of work. You have not made me a participant in the life of this show, therefore I am not inclined to give you these services.'

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >supposedly richards doesn't mind, but jason was vocal
            And Julia's just counting her dad's billionaire money. "Pay me? Isn't that for poor people?"

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              This. She's a nice example where acting is just her hobby but she's just really good at it.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              except she's the only one to keep winning awards, have a show go to syndication, signed a deal with apple+

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That kind of proves his point. If you have nothing to lose, everything is easier.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                then explain bee movie

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    passe' take. You could have discipline but being overwhelmed by life problems. Solved them, things could improve very fast.
    You could also be talented but prioritizing other stuff first, for reasons beyond insanity.
    There are many nonlinear variables in life. Just stop judging others by these very measurable metrics

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Give me an example of someone that just shot up out of talent alone and no work ethic

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      pete davidson
      tracy morgan
      john belushi

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kwame Brown
      Honestly Shaq

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Shaq
        do you seriously think an athlete just sits on his ass all day and let his talent do the work in the court you dumbass?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No but he was huge and famously lazy and part of why Kobe got fed up with him.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bruce Lietzke.
      "The most prevalent view is that Lietzke symbolizes what's wrong
      with professional golf. He's seen as a player who tries to make
      a bundle early in the season so he can take the rest of the year
      off, a squanderer of talent who plays a minimum of events and
      never practices during his long sojourns at home with his
      family. Purists revile him for his refusal to play in either the
      U.S. or the British Open, not to mention his use of the
      unsightly long putter. The fact that Lietzke has never tried to
      alter his swing, which is for all practical purposes incapable
      of producing a right-to-left flight, is offered as proof that he
      has no ambition. The easy take on Lietzke is that few have ever
      done less with more."
      https://vault.si.com/vault/1995/05/22/gone-fishin-for-bruce-lietzke-time-off-is-the-secret-to-the-wonderful-life-he-has-at-home-and-on-the-pga-tour

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Practicing from the age of 5 and mastering his craft is the very definition of work ethic and discipline. It's not like he started playing golf at the age of 20 and just won everything. He worked smart after he built a reputation and have a bit of money.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Even assuming nobody fits this criteria, it doesn't disprove the idea that natural talent exists. You can also have varying levels of work ethic. People with no work ethic in sports at least can be carried by it until college

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        nobody does. it really comes down to honing said talent, nobody got off from talent alone. even giants were recruited and trained everyday so they can better utilize their attributes. it alos happens that most of these giants are pretty fricking dense so a harsh training and discipline are necessary. some people are indeed luckier but thinking you can just go by talent alone can be disastrous to your career and we've seen this happen all the time with newly drafted players

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >talent doesnt exist
          >well it does but it doesnt work alone
          I really dont understand the point of these posts in this thread. Nobody is disputing that work is necessary

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            exactly it doesn't work alone which proves seinfeld's point. did you read what OP posted?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Reread the op, hes denying talent period, as are others in the thread

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                He's not denying talent he's saying the phrase talent but lazy is wrong and rejects it. how would you even know you're talented if you don't try to apply it? People actually do try and apply what they think s their talent and find out they're not as good as they think they are and either give up or continue to hone it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >natural talent
        Doesn't exist. The most you can claim is that natural POTENTIAL for talent exists.

        Maybe you were born with some quirk of genetics that would have made you the best sculpture to ever live, one to make Michelangelo look like a toddler with playdough. But you never touched clay, never carved a rock. Can you claim you have a talent for sculpture if you have never sculpted anything? No. You had the potential for talent, but talent undeveloped is not talent at all. If you don't ACTUALLY DO IT then what you have isn't talent, but squandered potential.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Then what is talent? If you include hard work then it becomes a meaningless term

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Talent is when you're good at something. Most talent is the result of years of practice and and experience. Some few people have the innate potential for talent, and realize that potential at a young age before they have much experience.

            If what you have is undeveloped potential, then you don't have talent.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              A person not bogged down in the world of forms that sees a kid thats unnaturally good at soccer would call it talent. I dont really care when people try and make words meaningless arbitrarily
              >talent is when you're good at something
              Most people would call that skill

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Pele was talented at soccer, and he developed that talent to be such even in the biggest pond.

                >unnaturally good
                Not a bad way of putting it, but the context needs to be present to make the call. A person on their second day of roundball mixing it with the people who’ve been working at it for years?
                Yes, that’s talent.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >sees a kid thats unnaturally good at soccer
                If the kid is SEEN TO BE unnaturally good at soccer, then the kid is obviously playing soccer and being good at it. So yes, that kid is good at soccer.

                The same kid in an alternate universe, never introduced to soccer, is instead made to join the badminton team. Is he still a talented soccer player? Obviously not.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >So yes, that kid is talented at soccer.
                is what I meant to write.

                If he's doing it and is good at it, then he's talented. If he COULD HAVE BEEN good at it but never did it, then he's not talented.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                sneed is chuck if chuck were sneed.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, sure, the talent is apart from hard work or anything else and becomes manifest when it is applied, sure. It still is taken to mean a sort of innate ability recognized separately.

                Then again nobody would say x is good at soccer without testing that belief, by seeing x play soccer. The same goes for "intelligent", where somebody can be intelligent regardless of whether or not it has been observed.

                Somebody can be recognized as talented at soccer, but in reality they would be just as talented at something else. The ability actually being recognized preexists soccer

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                > It still is taken to mean a sort of innate ability recognized separately.
                Innate ability cannot be recognized unless it's actually put into practice, it cannot be recognized separately.

                People are said to be innately talented when they're actually doing the thing, with less apparent effort than everybody else who's good at it. Actually doing the thing is always a requirement.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ronaldhino

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe not talent but there's tons of morons who fail upwards into the higher echelons of fame and wealth. Take the "cash me outside" wigger for example.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Seinfeld also rejects your modern ideas of 'underaged' girls

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Talent means you are inherently good at something. If it took a lot of work ethic and discipline to be good at something then it wasn't talent.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    here's your talent

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      imagine going to a chuck e cheese in the 90s and jerry seinfeld is there on a date with this broad trying to figure out which of the games there will make her breasts wave around the most.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's true. Talent is just to kickstart you, but only discipline (or obsession) will get you to the top.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Carrera GT.
    He might have the niceat Porsche collection on earth.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    jews are successful because of talent and hard work

    yeah sure, itzak shlomo, sure.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >israelite talking about his high standards on merit
    Funniest shit he has ever said.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    eddie murphy hit a point in his life and just stopped aging

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Jerry is wrong. People can sure as hell be talented and not give a frick to pursue it or just get wiener blocked by the system that controls who gets seen and a shot at the big time. If he stopped getting high off his own farts he'd know that.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yeah the comedy legend doesn't know what he's talking about, thankfully the anonymous Cinemaphile poster is here to set us straight on achieving success.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >comedy legend
        >product of israeli nepotism carried by Larry David

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The show was legendary.
        The actor? Not so much, I mean if he was he smallest gigs would attract ten thousand screaming fans etc..

        Anon’s right, all the work ethic in the world won’t stop you from getting called a wetback. Even if you also had talent.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >work ethic
    >discipline
    homie you're writing jokes for a living

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And you don't. I think he knows best

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        seinfeld is only popular because of a sitcom he acted in, nobody would even recognize his name anymore otherwise

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Generally, no. But it could be true if he means being talented among the talented.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No hes a midwit like many in this thread that dont like a positive trait being ascribed to a negative person

    Colloquially, at the very least, people use talent apart from hard work for a reason. There are genetic traits that makes people better at one thing or another. Whether or not they do something with it is irrelevant

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick is talent?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Innate ability (genetics)

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Are there really hereditary talents?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No, but the things that create the talent are
          Intelligence, muscle structure, and then specific groupings of these things that tend toward one talent or another

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            [citation needed]

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            So intelligence and physicality are or can be hereditary, but aren't talents. They're building blocks for potential talent.
            So what makes a builder use the block to create a house?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Thats just you making "talent" a meaningless word.

              Its never been scientific, colloquialliy it has always meant something innate, which now fits in our understanding of genetics

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Are we getting spiritual or something, what do you mean it's never been scientific? Genetics is scientific and natural, innate. It's not one or the other, it's both.
                Talent doesn't exist if the will (ethic) to prove is absent.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The word talent is not scientific, im just adapting general meaning to what we know scientifically

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    depends on the job
    all technological progress is driven by laziness
    otherwise you may as well walk everywhere and write letters by hand

    in comedy, some people are naturally funny, never write any material, that would be talented but lazy
    billy conolly is funnier than sienfeld ever was

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >if you don't have a good work ethic and the discipline needed to succeed you're not talented. Is he right?
    Obviously he's right.

    Is he talented by his own standard of talent? I don't see much evidence for it. But he's nevertheless right about what constitutes talent. If you don't actually accomplish anything then you aren't actually talented.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is just midwit semantics. Yes he's correct, in the sense that work ethic and discipline are talents in themselves, but an individual can still be talented in other areas and lacking in these.
    Of course he's a israelite so he's being hypocritical anyway.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >work ethic and discipline are talents
      Wrong for so many reasons lmao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He’s right, though.
        Is it the word “work” that’s putting you off there?

        Speedrunners are talented, but guess what, it’s because they had obsession and discipline, ie work ethic and discipline, that got them to a notable level.
        And nobody could accuse them of “work” in their realm.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You are definitely confused: obsession and discipline are two incompatible traits. Obsession is transient and only works in short bursts. discipline is like a train, it's constant and relentless.

          Ethics and discipline are also separate from each other. The woman from Theranos was extremetly disciplined, but what about her ethics? Non existent.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Obsession only works in short bursts?
            Recheck your dictionary, dude, waifugays on this board are definitely obsessed. And have you seen them only running in short bursts?

            >ethics and discipline
            Work ethic. Ethics entire is a rabbit hole far far far too tangential to the discussion to even entertain, are you high?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I'm talking more about problem solving here. People who are borderline psychotic doesn't interest me.

              Obsession can help you solve a problem when you don't have all the tools you need, discipline will help you solve that same problem without much effort because your understanding of the whole issue is deeper. Obsessive people aren't deep, unlike disciplined people, but both can tackle the same problem in different ways.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >obsessive people aren't deep
                Again this thread is just full of people that want to atteibute weird meaning to nonscientific words the public doesn't use like that

                "Im obsessed with trains"
                Typically means i am interested in trains to the point where it becomes a focus of my life or something. Nothing about that statement implies a timescale

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                So what's your obsession?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Arguing with autists on the internet, unfortunately its not temporary

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                So you are basically moronic. Congrats.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >borderline psychotic
                What about borderline autistic?
                That provides obsession and the discipline to back it up m80.

                Seems to me, sorry, but you have a personal interpretation of the word “obsession” which doesn’t quite concur with common usage?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                An obsession that doesn't find its way to resolution is called mental illness. Do you think autistic people are healthy? This forum is the best example of moronic autism you'll ever find.

                real talents don't work hard, because work (an anglo fetish) is something you don't want to do so you can get paid. real talents are naturally drawn towards their talents as an end in itself

                False, you are just romanticizing the fact.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >resolution
                What “resolution”? You win the game and you’re free to be a normie?
                Frick you, all the greats throughout history have been obsessed. Einstein, Curie, Newton, Napoleon, Cesar, Charlegmane, Churchill, Elizabeth I, Mohammad, Ghandi and so on and so on and so on.

                You don’t know what you’re talking about, and your stupidity is becoming offensive.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, I get it. You are obsessive, so by extension the most intelligent people in the world were obsessive too. They are literally you.

                What are your biggest accomplishments then?

                You are just a Dunning Kruger boy/girl who has never had sex.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                My only failing is that I was not obsessive enough.
                Back to you, though, learn english you dumb motherfricker. Including what each particular word means if you’re going to try to be a clever clogs about that word.
                Last (you), enjoy it you half of a halfwit.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                So, what's your obsession? Trains?

                Why don't you go out and ask for a job at a train station or something? Tell them you'll work for less than minimum wage and if you are good you are probably gonna make it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                no, railroads specifically filter out train autists for jobs, cant be expecting someone to work when it's
                >hey that's the 8FH3, it's running 6 minutes late today

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Autists definitely won't be driving trains, but they can still do janitorial or maintenance work and be happy. Being around trains is pretty cool actually.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It filters all people from getting in and working from the ground up, but if you get in at the switching station (minimum) level, and go
                >hey that’s that fricking 8FH3, it’s fricking running 6 minutes late again today, fricking fricks’ sake
                You might just have a job.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            discipline is not self sustaining it requires mental energy obsession isn't obsession if it is merely transient and passing your definitions are all wrong; obsession is consumate passion, something the weak of heart have no understanding of

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              It's ok to be a Dunning Kruger, that's the first step towards healing.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                ironic that you didn't just call me stupid; you are low test go see a doctor.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Time to get a job my good man/woman.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You are definitely confused: obsession and discipline are two incompatible traits. Obsession is transient and only works in short bursts. discipline is like a train, it's constant and relentless.

              Ethics and discipline are also separate from each other. The woman from Theranos was extremetly disciplined, but what about her ethics? Non existent.

              no one who is disciplined does so without having a strong emotional compulsion to do so; if you are truly discipline you are already obsessive why do you think obsession is objectively bad when its just the utmost of discipline/passion? passion produces the best discipline

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    pretty much. also, people half-ass stuff as a defense mechanism for failure. they are scared of giving it their all and not succeeding, so they fall back on "well I wasn't really trying/I wasn't serious about it".

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Julia Louise Dreyfuss is a literal billionaire heiress. She was never in any danger if the show fell through, because she had her billionaire heritage to fall back on. Which is why she's alays the one who corpses and half-asses the takes the most in the Seinfeld bloopers. I dunno Jer maybe if I had a comfortable safety net that availed me from having to wageslave to feed myself maybe I'd have the time to properly cultivate my talents

    you fricking israelite

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >maybe if I had a comfortable safety net that availed me from having to wageslave to feed myself maybe I'd have the time to properly cultivate my talents

      This. One of the most "talented" people I know was working two jobs out of high school in order to support his parents and younger siblings. When you are barely getting by and have others relying on you there isn't time to "find yourself" or "develop my acting talent" by living off of daddies money as you frick around in los angeles for a decade.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >if you don't have a good work ethic and the discipline needed to succeed you're not talented

    Pretty sure he would never say it like that

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Be talented, just have to make a few big payouts so you can coast through life and not become a slave to Hollywood
    >"You're lazy. Give us everything."
    Yeah, nah. Be lazy if you're talented so you always keep the world in suspense and wanting more of you.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Proof comedy isn't art. Every artist knows talent exists. We all know that neophyte who blazed right passed you, reaching your skill level in months whereas it took you years.

    Frick you Walther. Frick you and die.

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    a lot of "talented" people work extremely hard in private, but don't wan't to be known as hard workers as it isn't cool, or it ruins the mistique

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      real talents don't work hard, because work (an anglo fetish) is something you don't want to do so you can get paid. real talents are naturally drawn towards their talents as an end in itself

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >israelite talking about success
    lololol dirty fricking rat

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    he looks like hes seen some shit, like not just coke and aging. its like his whole persona has changed

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's objectively wrong. Talent and hard work are two completely different things. Success often depends on both of them but by the same token success depends on who you know more than talent or dedication so what does it even matter?

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The fastest way to identify a midwit is an almost autismal drive to hammer down an exact definition where none is needed

    Mr. Seinfeld here is just a israelite who cannot help but deny innate differences and subvert, no matter how petty the subversion.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    100%. Talent expresses itself through persistence, focus and competitiveness, otherwise the competitive mediocrities prevail.

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