Since the Venom spinoff is confirmed, do you think they are gonna shove carnage into that one or just wait for him to be used in SM3? or should we get spider-carnage
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>Since the Venom spinoff is confirmed
it's not
>do you think they are gonna shove carnage into that oneor just wait for him to be used in SM3?
why not it's not like Cleatus was a big deal he was a side story cult leader. The third game already ends with Doc Ock. honestly I feel like the 3rd game is going to be a Clone saga thing with Superior Spider-man type thing.
insomniac was recently asked about a venom game, and all they said was that they were waiting on fan reception before deciding the direction to take venom.
>Why not
because if they wait for SM3 they could do red goblin or something similar but its most likely going to be silk getting a symbiote and joining peter/miles
>going to be silk getting a symbiote and joining peter/miles
That would certainly be a choice. I guess if we get a Lethal Protecter spin-off game before the 3rd game they could do that.
I feel like they want to introduce a lot of Spider-people so that they can Fully FULLY retire Peter so he doesn't need to come back into the fray
I feel it'll be on a most positive note like he can actually balance his life now that he has a "Spider-family" and still go around swinging as spidey but still come home to his civilian responsibilties knowing the city is in good hands
>I guess if we get a Lethal Protecter spin-off game before the 3rd game they could do that.
They wouldn't be able to put "Lethal" in such spin-off and not make it look completely out of place and out of touch with the rest of the series.
Like, just imagine Venom biting thugs' heads off in the same city as Miles, Peter AND Yuri, it would be a complete insanity to think he would be able to get away with that.
>fan reception
Frick me. The "fans" in mainstream circles want mindless evil monster Venom because they grew up on Spider-Man 3. I just want a lethal protector game.
pic related, ig you just hope the gays on twitter and reddit have good taste
I saw the clip but bundled with what I played so far, it really just seems like peter wants to take a mini vacation so he can sort out getting a job, moving in with MJ, paying of his debt to mays house etc
>it really just seems like peter wants to take a mini vacation so he can sort out getting a job, moving in with MJ, paying of his debt to mays house etc
You know they're just going to make a game set 18 years in the future with a Mayday Parker just so they can have a girl superhero
People dislike Mayday now? Thought she had a bigger fanbase than Peter on here. Guess anything will get you guys triggered these days
nta but I love Mayday. That being said though I do not trust Insomniac with her and want her kept out of this mess. They would never do her right
the fans told everyone exactly what they wanted but they tripled down on maryjane missions
Playable female section = more esg bucks?
Though it probably would have been less odious if they just had MJ walk to the corner store with Pete and dump exposition about how she feels when he has to run off because of a crime.
She feels pride that he's saving other's lives. Ya know, when she's moderately similar to the comics.
You didn’t watch SM3.
Also Lethal Protector sucks.
nice image fren mind if I steal it
you have bad taste and you should feel bad about it
You read Spider-Man comics, you have no right to criticize someone else’s taste.
Oh frick you.
>Silk
I haven't played either game, so I'm genuinely asking: Are there non-spider-powered heroes in the insomniac games? Like are the Fantastic Four running around? Or is it all spiders all the time?
black cat steals from dr.strange's hideout in a side mission using "mcu portals" wong also thanks miles, avengers confirmed to exist in the first game, Fantastic four building is in the game, I think peter or miles mentions daredevils secret indentity once. I also believe the wolverine game is canon to this world but we won't know til it drops
Wraith is the only non spider hero you actually meet and there's a mission where Black Cat breaks into the Sanctum Santorum and steals the wand of Watoomb. Aside from that Avengers exist from the tower, Dazzler exists and I'm pretty sure there's a Baxter building sign not to mention Murock and Nelson are lawyers and Miles refers to them as Peter's lawyer friends
>Dazzler
where was she mentioned
Miles spinoff games in one of the time capsules there's tickets to a Dazzler Concert he and Finn went to and in the newest game in coney Island there's a dazzler attraction
>Wraith is the only non spider hero you actually meet
Anyone else think it's cool you can randomly team up with her during normal street crimes?
I'd rather team up with better heroes. They should've had a couple of unique ones depending on the district the crime takes place in
I liked the little team ups. Agent Venom Harry lending a hand was cute too.
Yes, the collectibles in the first game talk about them. They're never relevant to the game, which is kind weird when the city gets into super crisis, but that's kinda Marvel's fault for having most heroes live in New York.
Strange and Wong has been hanging out in Nepal for the last couple years, as per that not left for Miles after he does that little mission.
As for the rest of the Avengers and F4, despite their towers being there, they're practically MIA. There's a line by Peter in the first game that mentions that they're all away in the west coast at the time, but that's a good couple years back in universe.
There are places like Jessica Jones' agency, Nelson & Murdock, Wakandan Embassy, and so on.
I thought when I saw that interview of them thinking about the spinoff game being one for Venom, it was just some copium for the fans, but now that we've seen that Venom practically has half of his moveset already done, I can see it happening. Plus, like hell they'll actually let people play as Venom for anything outside a setpiece if he's not gonna be a good guy.
They "exist" in that there's evidence of them around the game world so you can recognise the thing, but they never show up and are never relevant to the plot.
I just want to fight alongside Daredevil in Hell's Kitchen, is that too much to ask?
Theres the abandoned Avenger's tower, and references to other Marvel heroes but without an actual reveal
>implying we'll ever get clone kino in a game
>why not it's not like Cleatus was a big deal he was a side story cult leader
That mirrors comic Cletus pretty well.
Comics Cletus was a serial killing psychopath, but nothing about him made him stand out against the hundreds of others running around Marvel Earth. The most significant thing aboit him is that he happened to share a cell with Eddie.
They should just kill the series.
why?
Because he's upset the game did something interesting.
Eh, Honestly I'm not sure of a venom Spin off, I think that would be an over the top fighting game similar to something like DMC or Bayonetta, and that's kind of hard with a Wolverine game on the way.
>Because he's upset the game did something interesting.
No, I'm upset because it's the third PlayStation Spiderman game and it's still boring.
>No, I'm upset because it's the third PlayStation Spiderman game and it's still boring.
I don't know man I thought Spider-man 2002 was pretty good.
>Spider-man 2002
Don't be that guy anon.
I wouldn't call Planet of the Symbiotes interesting. Unexpected but not interesting.
Did you play 2? It's like 90% cutscenes and Miles wanking.
im not too far but so far miles fricks up a lot as well and peter has to pick up the slack.
its because eddie isn't in the suit so what is the angle for venom to even go after peter really
Here's a spoiler for you then a genuine one
Peter quits and hands the mantle off to Miles, completely. Red suit and all
Well, the story at least makes sense, but what I meant is that Venom just acts like a generic blob monster, shitting sludge everywhere and not doing much else. Even when Peter sperged out Venom's first reflex was to shit all over the place to create an arena yes, then in the final fight he goes full Residen Evil mode with goo everywhere, mouths sprouting ouf of the ground, fricking WINGS and that goofy as frick "lifting himself up in the air with stream of goo". Kind of robs him of personality in my view.
They could have just made him like Ultimate Spiderman Venom.
I should replay that one day.
>fricking WINGS
They really want to tie in the current comics I guess. Alongside all of the King in Black shit.
I think they'll use Carnage for the spin off Venom game. Doesn't make sense to use him for 3 because Otto and Norman can carry that plot alone. If anything they'll find a new "Mister Negative/Krave" as a first act villain. Plus having two symbiote bad guys back to back would feel weird in my opinion.
But Carnage is definitely coming. That got that one Star Wars/Joker actor to play Cletus, which why waste him for a bit role?
It's just rule of cool visuals, not actual Knull hinting or anything. I think they just wanted wings because if Venom is playable, he'll need a glid mechanic like the spiders
Even if they do make a Venom game, the setup is fricked since if Insomniac ends up going back to Eddie, he has not been built up to hate Spider-Man or Peter Parker.
MJ still working at the Daily Bugle was such a clean way to have Eddie introduced in this game and the writers ignored it.
So you'd rather have Harry stay as Venom, only getting over his hate? Also Eddie's hatred is only relevant if he's in the villain role. They can still introduce Eddie via MJ's Bugle connection, and the game could focus on him constantly trying to show Peter he has his own way of doing things.
Man, the new gadgets fricking sucks. I miss web bomb and Impact web so bad.
Also don't like Miles not having a separate Venom/Focus bar anymore.
Eddie and Peter does know each other, he was mentioned to have worked in the bugle at the same time when Peter was working there.
They could just easily write in some bullshit about Peter being petty to him, especially since it'd actually line up with the now established younger insomniac peter being a bit of a shitheel.
They already had Venom as villain. They could do Eddie without the badguy angle and go straight inte lethal protector, like in the movies.
>It's just rule of cool visuals, not actual Knull hinting or anything
The symbiote goons straight up have his symbol
That doesn’t refute my point. It’s rule of cool, design aesthetic, nothing more. Without the logo symbiotes can look rather plain in design. Comics were ripping off Web of Shadows anyway.
They’re not actually going to introduce Knull in this series
It does. It's not a "cool symbol", it's not simply a generic symbiote design, it is straight up Knull's symbol. They could've easily, EASILY had a bunch of generic Venoms running around. But they didn't. They consciously chose THAT symbol because they know comic fans would catch what it is referencing. Knull is coming. You may not like it but the casuals do because he's Spider-Man's answer to The Batman Who Keks
You’re demanding it because it allows you to shitpost. By your own logic Venom’s logo is “Knulls” but we know for a fact that it’s just a play on Peter’s as they and originally intended. Knull is especially too big for this setting.
So can we please drop the shitposting act? I’m not mad at you anon, I just think this conversation is silly
I liked it because it felt like Web of Shadows
Wrong, you didnt plays the game
I really hated how Venom was all about spewing goo everywhere in that game.
>Since the Venom spinoff is confirmed,
Spinoff? To be an actual Venom game and not just a cashgrab that no one cares about, it would need to be a totally different thing. Something like Prototype, not a Spider-man game.
if the center focus is on venom and you play as venom then its a venom game
if the center focus is on venom and you play as black spider-man then its a Miles Mo- wait
if the center focus is on venom and you play as spider-man in black and white costume its a spider-man game
They’ll do carnage in the venom game, and have red goblin as the final boss in 3.
I'm surpised New York isn't sex pike h3
I’m hard coping they make a spin-off where Venom finds Eddie Brock and shows us the REAL Venom not that garbage boring “take over the whole world because I’m evil” ass shit. Venom is best when he’s a goofy ass anti-hero attached to Eddie Brock’s shitty life
Eddie exists, so maybe.
yes but with Eddie
so much black guy and female character are going to rescue or baeat up Venom every cutscene?
>do you think they are gonna shove carnage into that one
I don't know, but I do think they will shove Miles into it
Why do people not think the carnage hook was for the inevitable dlc?
People are debating if it's
>DLC with Peter and Miles
>A Venom spin off set between 2 and 3
>Hinting first act villain for 3
Which evidence in my opinion points to the second option. Venom doesn't really have that big of a rogues gallery, and fans want Carnage vs Venom.
My guess? The Venom game will explain why Peter allied with him in 3. Though I dont know if that means Harry or Eddie will wear it
Well because dlc has kind of fallen out of fashion, with Totk and FFXIV not getting any...though I could be wrong.
FFXVI is absolutely getting DLC though
TOTK started off as a DLC for BOTW, all it actually needs is Master Mode update.
I don't think they'll do DLC considering it was know the first game would have it before it even launched and they'll have their hands full with Wolverine in a year or two.
NTA but doesn't Insomniac have at least two dev teams working on this Spidey franchise alone? I think the B team did the original game's DLC and the Miles spin off. It's possible we'll get both story DLC for the 2nd game AND a Venom spin off. Both of which will be beta testing mechanics and providing additional story setup for Spider-Man 3.
Let's review what happened between 1 and 2
>Setting up Yuri's transformation into Wraith
>Silver Sable's friendship with Spidey
>Black Cat established
>Miles's training being complete and fleshing out his moves for 2
>Prowler established
With that kind of logic in mind they'll likely use in-between installments to "reset" Peter and get rid of his anti-venom symbiote
Looking forward to a Venom game, he had two major movies so it's his turn for a game.
It's wild to me that they're doing Silk. I guess that was their choice for a Spider gal.
Honestly? Good for them. Better than pushing Gwen into every fricking thing. Silk had a rough start, being an autistic fetish creation for Slott, but she genuinely became a cool character with a cool power gimmick. I'm just curious how the Insomniac version will pan out, as she's obviously not locked in a lab nor does she appear to have powers yet.
whats her power gimmick?
NTA, but if I remember right she has biological webbing. Webbing whose properties she can change. She can definitely change it's colours.
I think she can also do stuff like make in insulating vs. electricity, but I'm iffy on that because the last Silk comic I read was last decade..
Silk’s main gimmick is organic web weaving from her fingertips. She doesn’t wear a suit underneath her civies, but rather creates a costume on the fly. I think one of her gameplay gimmicks could be making web hammers and shit
if this was the early 2000s there would def be a fan service scene revolving around her getting into costume
Someone said it's possible they'll copy the Spider-Gwen Symbiote thing
I doubt that. It’s too far removed from what Silk’s namesake is. She’d have to be trapped in a lab later, right?
Silk went from terrible to ok to terrible
Her new minis fricking suck ass
I was actually hoping for her because I had a gut feeling they were gonna add a 3rd spider for the next game and a spider-woman was the most likely answer, and she was my top pick because I want to see her done justice, but also because she just makes the most sense. Gwen would be treading too close to Spiderverse territory, Jessica has no connection to the other spiders originally, nobody cares about Julia, and even LESS than nobody cares about Mattie, so it was either Anya or Cindy and I was hoping for Cindy because I think she deserved to be given the chance to be better.
That just makes it more curious, if they wanted to print money then including Spider Gwen is a no brainer.
>asian girl in the skintight costume.
Do you think SONY should green light a Daredevil game? Not saying Insomniac has to do it, maybe Sucker Punch. Also anyone find Matt's building in 2 yet? Currently poking around Hell Kitchen right now
It's there, but the sign is blank for some reason.
Could be an actual bug though, The game still has some kinks to iron out.
Sucker Punch Dardevil would be mechanically plain but have rock solid plot and characterization, just like every single Sucker Punch game.
I just thought Ghost of Tsushima was applicable here, and similar enough to be up SPs alley
It can't be harry anymore so logically it would have to be Eddie or Flash for that hypothetical sin off
It'd have to be Eddie, right? Not only does he exist in this universe, but there's wider audience brand association thanks to cartoon and movies.
Do you think we'd get a conventional Carnage, or something a bit more Knullified what with the skeletal lower half?
Considering Insomniac clearly loves modern Spidey crap for some unfathomable reason, probably the latter
It’s a mix of old and new
Ehh, it's mostly more new than old
You see what you want to see, anon.
Where's the old in these games?
Are you dumb?
Tell me an old storyline that's been adapted
>Otto's body is failing him just like during Slott's run
>Symbiote is muh medical tool like in Ultimate
>Venom is Harry like in the Ultimate cartoon
>Kraven hunts down villains like in Hunted
>Sandman has his daughter from that one BND story and that's his only motivation
>Carnage is a cult leader
>Screwball
>Mr Negative
>Miles
>Spider-Verse
>Prowler is Aaron
Seriously, what old storyline has been adapted? Where is classic Spider-Man?
>Muh Ultimate
It’s an alien in this game you tard
It's still introduced as a medical tool, dickhead. None of that changes my point
Where is this apparent classic Spider-Man content?
Also I forgot to mention Wraith and Silk who are both deep into the Slott era
And Danika
And JJ being a podcaster
No? His original redemption arc was that his life got all fricked up after accidentally merging with Hydroman so he wanted to be left alone. Then he helps out Spider-Man and decides maybe being a hero isn't such a bad thing and makes it into the Avengers. Then finally he joins Sable's team and stays on it as a hero/mercenary until Byrne mindfricked him back into villainy. Read some comics, anon
>C-casual?
Nice try, Anon. You can’t sit there and tell me Sandman hasn’t been a paper thin character for decades. He had shitty green armor, had a redemption, then temporarily died on a beach until recently. Few and far between stories outside of just being a pissed off crook made of sand. You’re trying to use the daughter thing as a negative when it’s the closest thing he’s ever had to a motivation
Yes, casual. He had a good friendship with the Thing, and had a lot of respect for Spider-Man.
The issue I posted already goes through his entire backstory and sets him up for redemption. Having a random adopted daughter doesn't suddenly make him some deep and compelling character, especially when she really only shows up for one arc.
I love how you completely ignored my statement of “few and far between”. No one gives a shit about that one time redemption, because it was a dead end and they didn’t know what else to do with him. And you just admitted Marko was paper thin by the way.
You’re mad that because it’s relatively newer by comparison, which you mistakenly equate to bad
BND is bad, I shouldn't have to tell you this. And my original point was the games exclusively adapt the newer, shittier stories and you chimed in with something stupid.
And I'm mad because Byrne fricked over Flint's character because he hates change and Flint has still yet to recover.
The Gauntlet was a fine collection of stories.
>Byrne
He was smart enough to know the redemption didn’t do Sandman any favors.
>Yet to recover
He was bare bones from the start
>The Gauntlet was a fine collection
At best the Rhino one was decent, the rest were all mediocre to bad and Grim Hunt was shit
>He was smart enough to know the redemption didn’t do Sandman any favors.
>Being an unironic Byrne apologist. This has to be bait at this point
Grim Hunt is not part of The Gauntlet, it came after. Also me not agreeing with you isn’t bait, you baby
No, agreeing with Byrne is the bait. No one can have shit enough taste to think anything introduced during Byrne's run or Chapter One is good
I’m saying Sandman’s characterization was prominently reliant on his powers, and making him a hero was stupid just like his brief time as a Hulk villain
Making him a hero was fine. It was novel even, considering the only Spider-Man villain that had done it before him was Molten Man. Flint was fine off in his own little corner working for Sable. An ex-con trying to go straight. Why are you so against this? It's not like any of his new stories have been any good either, so seriously, why do you defend it so vehemently?
And what’s wrong with Sandman’s life of crime being rooted in trying to provide for his daughter? Molten Man’s redemption made more sense given his relation to Liz Allan. That works for him, and trying to replicate it is stupid
>And what’s wrong with Sandman’s life of crime being rooted in trying to provide for his daughter?
Because it comes out of nowhere? And then left out of nowhere too? You'd think Flint would want to be a good role model for his daughter too
>That works for him, and trying to replicate it is stupid
It's not handled the same way as as Mark's though, at all. In fact Flint was ready to just go to jail because he was burnt out from being merged with Hydroman. He decided to go straight because Ben gave him a second chance and he didn't want to waste it
>Because it comes out of nowhere?
Says who? Do you know how many surprise relative characters have come and gone in comics? It's not a new trope
>You'd think Flint would want to be a good role model for his daughter too
Gee, a flawed person and parent who just wants to give his child everything they think they deserve yet fail to see that just BEING THERE for the child is enough. Almost sounds like a character....
>It's not like Flint
Doesn't matter. A hero going straight is a gimmick done too often as it is, and doesn't work for every bad guy.
You have this personalized biased vision of how you think Spidey books should be, anon.
>Says who?
What? It did come out of nowhere. And surprise relatives is literally always a terrible plot device. Always.
>Gee, a flawed person and parent who just wants to give his child everything they think they deserve yet fail to see that just BEING THERE for the child is enough
See now I don't even know what you're talking about. Is this your headcanon for how you think that arc could go? Because that's not how it worked in the comic or the game
>Doesn't matter. A hero going straight is a gimmick done too often as it is,
It wasn't when Flint did it. I don't give a frick what came after. That's like saying Peter should stop having a double life because it's been done to death now
>You have this personalized biased vision of how you think Spidey books should be, anon
My personalized bias is against bad stories being used to invalidate good ones.
>headcanon
That's called motivation, moron. The reasoning behind such a character existing. You'd know this if you had common sense or real world relations. But this is Cinemaphile, and I'm stuck in a loop with a confirmed autist
So yeah, it's your headcanon. You're making up a motivation that you like and shitting on the actual one that he used to have because... you don't like it?
So basic human emotion and real world motivation laced with flaws is "headcanon" to you? Wow, you are autistic
Does it exist as real canon in the book? Or is it something you've made up in your head (based on assumptions you've made thanks to real world experiences, etc etc)?
So you are that autistic?
I'm not the one defending headcanon here.
No, but you’re weirdly defending telling over showing. You had to be told how a flawed loving father acts?
Showing what, exactly? In the comic story, the kid is all for using Flint's powers so she can have whatever she wants and be treated like a princess. There's no flawed father looking out for their kid when the kid just wants to spend time with the dad there.
What I'm actually defending, by the way, is Flint's original arc which got shat on by Byrne
Because a kid doesn’t know better. Holy crap, you’re dumb. You really need it spelled out to you, don’t you? You’re the reason why modern storytelling is plummeting.
>The story is like this!
>Well, I mean it's not, but it could be!
No fricking shit she doesn't know better, that's why the story doesn't end with her getting shipped off to juvie but instead ends with her getting sent to a normal family.
You're just inventing a scenario where Flint is struggling to make ends meet and has to resort to crime just to feed his daughter when that's not what happens. It's not even a reoccurring plot point so I don't know why you're so obsessed with it.
Flint's face turn lasted for about 10 or so years before it was undone, that's a reasonable amount of time to get invested in his arc and like how he's been treated. This keemia shit has been mentioned a grand total of three times in the comic, and only the first time has him actually doing anything with or for her.
So in your opinion “classic” would just mean first appearance fighting each sinister six member? Nah, frick that. I’m tired of the origin bullshit.
No. Classic would mean adapting anything before the BND era. Stop trying to strawman me because you don't actually know any classic stories
They could've actually done Last Hunt
They could've done Light the Night for Electro
They could've done the stuff with Nathan and Vulture
Venom could've been done properly
Prowler could've been Hobie
So your idea for a Spidey game is having him drugged out in a coffin for two thirds of the game. Wow, brilliant idea, anon
Unironically yes. I would've loved a section where you run around as Kraven larping as a brutal Spider-Man, that would've been fricking great. Way better than the crap we got in the game with a bunch of hunter goons and drones
Anon if it was remotely faithful it wouldn’t be a section, it’d be the majority of the game and all we’d have is Vermin. You’re legit moronic
>Section where you play as Kraven
>Time skip , maybe chuck in a bit about how Spider-Man is brutalising criminals now
>Peter claws himself out
Whoa look at that, it's been condensed and doesn't take the whole game. Keep shifting those goalposts though buddy. None of this changes the original point about the games being all about the new storylines
I haven’t shifted goalposts at all? And what you’re asking for isn’t enough for a full game. You’re mad that new things are in this game at all. Why can’t it be a culmination of the entire character history?
>And what you’re asking for isn’t enough for a full game
No shit, it'd be part of a game, possibly the finale. Instead of drugging Peter straight away, Kraven ambushed Spidey at the end of Act 2 when he's beaten whoever our tease villain is now. It could've been done.
>You’re mad that new things are in this game at all
I'm mad that the game is entirely based upon the new stuff, because the new stuff sucks. The whole game's status quo is taken from the BND era
>Why can’t it be a culmination of the entire character history?
Yeah, why can't it? Why does it have to be BND stories and beyond? I'm waiting for an honest to god example of a pre-2000s section being included
>It could have worked
So your solution was to have a third of a game and “I dunno do something else”? I don’t believe mashing Last Hunt with another story is smart, and if they did manage to pull it off I know for a fact you’d complain at the minor changes to make it somewhat cohesive stapling two or 3 unrelated stories together for the sake of run time
>Entirely based on new stuff
Which is wrong
>BND
You’re harping on that because you’re expecting casuals to agree with you because it’s a well known period of ASM going downhill. If this was BND Peter wouldn’t be with MJ and his life would be a lot worse
You’re getting desperate, anon
>So your solution was to have a third of a game and “I dunno do something else”?
They could've tried instead of making Kraven the head of some merc group with drones, then giving him cancer because they needed a reason for him to die
>if they did manage to pull it off I know for a fact you’d complain at the minor changes
See now you're just putting up that strawman again
>Which is wrong
Prove it. I've asked for examples of classic stories being present in the games multiple times and received nothing.
>If this was BND Peter wouldn’t be with MJ and his life would be a lot worse
I'm not gonna go into the MJ thing because that was a whole monkey's paw in and of itself, but Peter's life is pretty shit right now anyway.
>Massively in debt
>Borrowing money from May
>Fired from his jobs
>Kicked out of his apartment
It's not one to one but there's more BND present in the game universe than any other era of the character's history. Anyway until you can scrounge up some classic storylines the game has adapted don't respond to me anymore. It's getting embarrassing
>They could have tried
Which we’ve just proven why Last Hunt works in a vacuum and not here. And your behavior just proved that yes you would complain. That’s not a strawman
Quick question: what classic story did Spectacular Spider-Man adapt? Because that took a lot of creative liberties and is still liked
>what classic story did Spectacular Spider-Man adapt
Master Planner saga
Molten Man
Did a novel take on the Green Goblin by obscuring who the real Goblin was
It actually improved upon Venom's origin by giving Eddie an actual reason to hate Spider-Man
>Master Planner saga
Arguably done in the first game.
>It actually improved upon Venom's origin by giving Eddie an actual reason to hate Spider-Man
So its fine when one does liberties and the other doesn't? Figures. Love how you didn't mention furry Kraven, nerd Gwen, or anything of the other obvious stuff that was widely different such as Sandman, Tombstone, or Rhino.
There's a clear bias at work here
>Arguably done in the first game.
I mean not really. Unless you're saying devil's breath is close enough to the illness Aunt May had in that story, but even then
>So its fine when one does liberties and the other doesn't?
This has never been about "liberties" being taken. This has been about the games exclusively adapting modern content.
>Love how you didn't mention furry Kraven
Furry Kraven sucked ass and was the worst part of that show. It gets no defense from me
>There's a clear bias at work here
You're changing the goal posts again. Stay on message. The games exclusively adapt modern storylines. Prove. Me. Wrong.
You're making leaps in logic to justify Spectacular's "Master Planner" arc when it had absolutely nothing to do with an isotope or the original story, yet crapping on Insomniac's take on Otto conducting a master plan of his own against Norman.
So yeah, I think I have proven you wrong. You're not abiding by your own arguments
The Master Planner Saga has very little to do with Otto's actual plane beyond him just so happening to steal the isotope Aunt May needed, the real meat of the story is "If this be my Destiny" which is the part Spectacular adapts pretty well.
Otto having a plan in general doesn't make it an adaption of that storyline. "Doctor Octopus has a plan" is the vaguest possible shit you could adapt, so no, the game did not adapt the Master Planner Saga in any meaningful way (which does not speak to the quality of the Otto's portrayal at all in the game, stop conflating the two to get mad).
You have proven nothing. Give a concrete example or frick off
>You have proven nothing.
I have but you your mental gymnastics twist anything to fit your own bias.
>It totally adapts the master planner saga!
>You see Otto... has a plan... and it's his master plan!
>Yeah...
Most of the classic stories seem to have happened off-screen, since he's already met 90% of his villains.
But the stories they are writing are clearly taking inspiration from old and new. It's hard to adapt Lee and Ditko when basically all of their stories are 20 pages long instead of several issues.
>But the stories they are writing are clearly taking inspiration from old and new
Are they though? I genuinely can't think of anything that can be attributed to a pre-2000s story. It feels like the MCU issue where they've breezed right by decades of good stories just to adapt the stuff from 10 or so years ago
>It's hard to adapt Lee and Ditko when basically all of their stories are 20 pages long instead of several issues
That's because stories weren't so decompressed back in the day, but that's an entirely separate discussion
I think they do, but it becomes jumbled when youre pulling from all eras and the movies at the same time. But I'd say that all of their personalities are still very m faithful to the originals.
If we're lucky they'll do the classic stories with a young Peter now that their already toying with those models.
At this point I've just accepted that Insomniac are doing their own thing. Evil Venom is so hamfisted and only happened in his original apperances. The best adaptation of symbiote saga is from Spectacular, and that one was 50% ultimate.
Yeah characterisation is mostly fine. Norman is a bit weird though I'm not used to seeing him care about Harry so much. I feel like a lot of the villains were pretty underutilised, and this is made worse considering a good chunk of them are killed off anyway.
Actually MJ's characterisation is dogshit, everything about her sucks in these games. And I'm eternally annoyed that we never got to see any of Peter's other friends outside of MJ and Harry (who's really only there as an easy host for Venom and easy motivation for Norman to gob out). They could've easily incorporated Flash, Betty, or Liz into a sidequest chain instead of spending time on Miles's deaf OC girlfriend, or Howard and his pigeons.
As it stands Peter feels like a friendless loser whose only contacts are MJ and Miles.
>As it stands Peter feels like a friendless loser whose only contacts are MJ and Miles.
It's also like he can't balance his life between being Peter and Spider-man
It'd be one thing if Peter was ditching plans with them or mentioned how he's let friendships die on the vine because of Spider-Man but we've got nothing. As far as we know Peter and Flash never even became friends, and unless there's some collectable in the first game I'm forgetting Liz doesn't even exist. Betty exists but we never see or here her, she's just a faceless drone that works at the Bugle that doesn't matter because all attention goes to MJ
>As far as we know Peter and Flash never even became friends
don't worry anon, I'm here to save the day with my borderline encyclopedic knowledge of the obscure dialogue of a five year old liscensed superhero game
Well that's something at least.
I dunno why the frick you're complaining when you got a Kraven who can just kill fricking Scorpion with his bare hands and a knife. I don't think even Comic Kraven can do that. Possibly the strongest Kraven there ever has been outside of some moronic What If Kraven Became The Hulk or some other nonsense.
How the frick an aging, delusional russian poacher was able to beat a psychotic superhuman with what is basically power armor? Even with no suit Scorpion is way out of Kraven's league physically.
Unless it was the same deal as with Martin LI in SM2, where target has to fight in the arena for days until Kraven finally deigns to 1v1 them.
Why the frick do you think the issue is power level bullshit? The goons and drones suck because they don't match his character, not because it makes him look weak.
The goons are all hunters/psychopaths themselves though? It's a wolf pack with Kraven as it's alpha. The vast number of them is just a game play thing. The player needs to fight more than 20-40 guys.
You mean the ONLY motivation Sandman has ever had? Electro is the only guy more basic than him
I like the skeletal design. reminds me of Unlimited's designs, and I think in general it's just a neat look for Carnage, to make him look like a walking pile of gore, very appropriate
Id want something more like that, even proportions. Also you know what my problem was with movie Carnage (besides the obvious split personality)? He was clearly more like Lasher
it wasn't *that* far off from his usual look
and actually pulling them up side by side, it's pretty apparent to me that knullified carnage's design is totally based on Unlimited's design, which is pretty sick, because I like Unlimited and I like when it gets referenced in things, and also because it's just an objectively sick design 🙂
You know the design might work if the spiral was on the chest rather than the head. There's a wide range of Carnage looks in books, especially lately, so I'm intrigued to see what Insomniac's take would be. Their Venom looked pretty damn good
ooh, good idea. also I am now realizing I need a wider range of reference images, almost all the pics I have are of his classic design cuz i've had a hard time finding good quality images of the others...
Basically Carnage's design has pretty much remained the same until the Knull skeletal stuff happened. Before it was just varying patterns of black laced on his red base, sprinkled as veins or concentrated on his hands/face. I think in recent books he's gained muscle mass back, but I haven't kept up with Web of Carnage.
If Insomniac does make their Cletus into Carnage, I would think the skinny skeletal stuff from Unlimited would look cool. It's more corpse like, as you said earlier, and of course provides a nice visual contrast to Venom
as long as they don't follow up with the multiverse side quest I'm good with whatever.
also did they do anything with that taskmaster tease from the first game?
What are the chances insomniac keeps silk in her skin tight spandex showing her tight body if she is like 17 like miles.
By the time Silk suits up, she'll probably he 18
Silk's origin is literally Pete's origin, though.
And not even "same shit, different spider" but "same fricking spider"
Mind you I guess they can make a new origin... or just ignore it completely.
its already an extremely new considering she's Miles age and isn't locked in a bunker somewhere. Miles origins aren't the same either
What's Miles origin in insomniac?
Is he a mutant with spider-y powers? Found a mystical spider totem? Cosmic rays?
He got bit by an oscorp recreated spider trying to recreate Spider-Man’s powers and it ended up on MJ during her looking around in Norman’s lab and crawled off her when it went to feast in which it bit miles.
The spider had bio electric powers in it so that’s how he got the electric powers specifically
...So it's the same origin as the comics, minus how it gets out of Oscorp.
And what's the in-universe reason for Oscorp not having an army of Spiders?
Or do they have one? As I said before, I didn't play the games, but I'm curious about what happens in it anyway.
NTA but the spiders were merely a means to research ways to cure Harry from the terminal illness his mother died from. Norman didn’t want a weapon or his son a freak, merely cured. It’s kinda like inventing shit by accident when trying to achieve a goal. Like how in the first game Devil’s Breath was a bio weapon created from another failed cure. Or another example is Doctor Connors and his Lizard condition attempting to grow his arm back
A shitload of spiders got onto MJ, none of them bit her
Then one crawled into her bag, did not bite her at any point
It stayed in her bag while she traveled across the city
Then got out of the bag and bit Miles immediately
It's ridiculous
Racist spiders. Simple as.
VENOMCHADS!!!!!!!
You know who should be the 3rd games opening villain? The Spot. Chase him around New York, lots of portal potential, heck even say Mister Negative’s energy is tied to the nexus he’s soaked in. Just none of that dimension hopping, Spot’s gimmick was fine as is
insomniac is obsessed with being special snowflakes, they aren't gonna step on spider-verse's toes since they did it recently
>insomniac is obsessed with being special snowflakes
???
They copy a ton of stuff from previous movies and games though
alot of the marketing for this game was about how they were doing all new takes on things never seen before etc
Frick that entire Black Cat section that removed her from the entire main storyline for her gayfriend. That honestly would've worked as a good Spot side mission for Miles with all the portals.
Considering that they're kinda changing some characters origins and story here, i say make Spider-Carnage with Miles, so this time Peter comes in to save Miles and go full circle about how everyone needs a helping hand once in a while
Kinda hard to do that when Cletus is a thing
If you’re trying to shit on Insomniac, you’ve failed. I don’t want them to be the movies at all, they’re fine as is. Spot was cool before, and his gimmick is great. With your logic they wouldn’t have done giant Sandman
sandman is not the same as the spot. Sandman is a guarantee not a obscure villain
I was using the logic you were using about movie visual similarities, in this case Sandman going giant. While Marko was an inevitability, his role in the game suited him for being not plot heavy and visually pleasing for an opening fight. Spot isn’t a literal who anymore, which is a good and a bad thing.
Point I’m making; he’s a great D lister Spidey rogue who deserves more love, and has powers that are creatively limitless for game action sequences. But like I said earlier, I would only want him if it’s conventional Spot with no multiverse bullshit. Though thankfully I don’t see Insomniac aping Spider Verse Spot too much. They like doing their own thing
>Though thankfully I don’t see Insomniac aping Spider Verse Spot too much. They like doing their own thing
they literally have a into the spiderverse side-mission
It’s a nod, they’re not doing a full on plot, anon. Insomniac wants to tell THEIR story, and Goblin is a lock for 3
Honestly, I loved how in some street crimes you could team up with the 2nd Spider-man or with Wraith. What I'd love for a 3rd game is to expand that and add characters like Daredevil/Luke Cage/Danny Rand etc. Make it so that you team up with them to hunt a certain villian for a side quest and shit.
The problem with that is “Why wasn’t blank helping here?”. But if anyone were to appear, it’d be those two and maybe Moon Knight. By the way, a DD game would be cool
Lets predict how insomniac changes her and fits her into the spidey trio(or quad if venom joins)
She'll probably be a solo webslinger, in order to contrast Miles/Pete's relationship. I guess like Shadow the Hedgehog if they wanna make her edgy.
I think she needs some sort of PTSD angle. Like she’s kidnapped, made into Silk, and then has episodes from the experiments
>Lets predict how insomniac changes her
Makes her so fricking ugly everyone will go "Well actually this new MJ is kinda hot ngl heh"
Gives her a strong independed female character who will throw fits about everything
she is korean after all
did they follow up on the Taskmaster stuff
It really sucks that Scorpion, Shocker, and Vulture all died.
It is kinda wasteful. But still a better track record than any given movie bad guy
Except ironically, MCU Shocker, Vulture, and Scorpion.
Well, one of the MCU Shockers
R.I.P. Howard too
It sucks, but it also makes sense. They're the most replaceable.
Vulture can be succeeded by his daughter.
Other people have taken up the Scorpion mantle before.
And Shocker? Most people don't know know his name is Herman Schultz. You could seriously just give his equipment to some othetlr schmuck.
Electro died too. You can find his suit too.
Kraven's plot armor is fricking insane in all of his appearances
>Cindy to Miles: What are you doing, step bro?
What about a spin off with a younger Peter? They already have a model for him.
I think the think they're worried about with Young Peter is that they'd be going backwards. Young Peter is very inexperienced, and has less gadgets. It's not like Arkham Origins where Batman was in Year 2 but still was a fricking beast due to all the training he did (which we got to see in DLC).
>and has less gadgets
We already have less gadgets in the second game than the first one anyway. That and the gadgets suck ass to begin with. Just give him webs (plus impact webbing and stingers if you really need more)
There’s not really much else to do with past Peter except “hey you’re fighting so and so for the first time and you’re in school”. I’m over that mess. I’m in it for adult Peter
>There’s not really much else to do with past Peter
I guess you've never been in a thread that devolves into "Talk about the make-believe Spider-man dating sim game."
There's lots to do with Pete.
man, I miss the dating sim threads. that was fun.
would be pointless a lot of the story beats that spider-man ahs have never happened to this one it seems. His rogues are there but none of the history other than generic super criminal stuff.
You do kinda get some of Peter's history when finding the backpacks. Electro was his first supervillain. He fought Kingpin back in the day, and got caught up like a pig, and needed MJ to save him. He fought Vulture on his first day of University.
Meant Peter got cut up like a pig. You see the sword used to do it it in Fisk's Auction house.
>Anti-Ock
>Anti-Venom
Does that mean we’re getting Anti-Goblin for 3?
Anyone else not a big fan of how they reworked the combat?
The homogenized button layouts, the fact that all of Peter's symbiote and Miles' Venom shit is tied to the l1+face buttons, and gadgets on R1+face makes them feel identical to play, in a tactile way.
I actually really loved how endgame peter and miles plays really differently in 2018 and MM. Lategame peter is about instantly dispatching enemies, basically being able to spam finishers like 5 times in a row, insta-webbing enemies with maxed out gadgets, while lategame Miles with the 3 bars of venom can basically render hordes of enemies immobile while he can more safely take them out with a more limited gadget toolset. The fact that Peter has 3 bars of focus while Miles has 2, but with the added venom bar is another thing that differentiates them mechanically too.
Now they just feel identical, especially with a lot of Peter's spider arms kit basically being 1:1 analogues of Miles'. Frick, they even gave him Miles' air dashes in the most stupid way possible. If it were up to me, I wouldn't even give Miles the web wings and just buff his dashes, so they both can have unique traversal mechanics between them.
We got to fight Venom and Scream, and Carnage got teased for an inevitable DLC, spin off, or sequel, so what about Agony, Lasher, Phage, and Riot?
I'll be honest, generally speaking I don't really give a frick about the LF symbiotes
I would totally frick Agony and Scream though
For me, it’s Mania.
based.
Is that a nipple?
I think they were more or less made into generic infected symbiote enemy types. Right? What if instead we just have Carnage for the Venom game, but the first act villain is Cardiac?
I’m not interested in seeing Peter late for prom or figuring out how to beat Electro first time
This game kinda shot itself in the foot, hinting at the bigger Marvel universe, because where were the other heroes during the finale?
It's funny a bunch of Superhero games, usually Batman and Spider-Man, you'll wonder where the frick other Heroes. Batman at least has the excuse with the other Heroes protect their own cities, and he doesn't like people on his turf. But Spider-Man is one of many Heroes who reside in New York City, so you wonder where the frick is everyone. Was cool in the first Spider-Man game where Peter and Otto get saved by Venom, Black Cat, and Captain Fricking America.
Anon that kind of shit happens all the time in solo books, you just have to let it go and remember it’s the title character’s story. Like if you’re reading Captain America and he’s stopping a missile in route to NY, you don’t constantly ask why he doesn’t call in Iron Man or something for an assist
There's this funny scene in Web of Shadows where Peter tries calling Reed, Stark, Hank McCoy, and they are all busy. So, he has to bust the Tinkerer out of prison.
Mayday should get a game
Thanks, Insomniac!
Anyway, I hope Venom can web swing. That's all.
He can't
Scream was a fricking deep cut for a game like this, even with the Symbiote being the focus. And was I a moron for not thinking The Flame was Cletus until the Symbiote turned red in his hands?
>And was I a moron for not thinking The Flame was Cletus until the Symbiote turned red in his hands?
Yes. It's not at all subtle that he's Cletus.
Was she? She's like the default female symbiote? They probably googled "Venom female symbiotes" and picked Scream as the top result
So the main villain for game 3 is almost certainly going to be Norman, right? He starts research once again on the goblin serum as a cure for Harry's illness, the docs won't clear it for human trials and Norman is desperate because Harry's starting to deteriorate again so he uses it on himself, and goes full goblin because of it.
Maybe it spirals into Norman making a Sinister Six in the third game, forcing Otto to work with him in exchange for a cure to his own illness?
Who would even be in this new Sinister Six? All the reconisable members besides Otto and maybe Max are either dead or retired
Why did they get rid of the social media tracker and character profiles in this game?
>Dead: Tinkerer, Scorpion, Vulture, Shocker, Electro, Kraven, Venom Symbiote
>Reformed: Tombstone, Mysterio, Prowler, Mr. Negative
>Jail: Kingpin, Hammerhead
>Losing control of limbs: Otto
>Paris: Black Cat
Who do thy even have left at this point? They’re running out of villains that people give a shit about. At this point they’ll have to bring in D-listers like White Rabbit and Hypno Hustler, invent new villains, or bring in villains from other Marvel superheroes.
Otto going full vegetable is EXACTLY why he's going to go completely mental in the next game - ally himself with Norman, make clones of Peter, create a robot army, whatever the frick the plot needs him to do.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they brought back Sinister Six as robots or something, just to cash in on the whole "ha-ha remember THESE GUYS?! Aren't we cool for bringing them back" and to recycle their bossfights (as evidenced by SM2 Insomniac doesn't know how to make good boss fights and SM1 was a fluke)
I’m fairly certain that the existence of the Ben and Kaine suits along with Superior means they’re not doing those story lines.
Ben and Kaine are almost definitely not getting put in unfortunately, but honestly I still see a chance for Superior to happen. After all they only used the Mk II suit and there is a suit before that. But also
>Otto's body failing his mind, literally the exact set up Superior had
>Gage writing again and he likes Superior AND a lot of modern stories are pulled from
>That tease in the Spider-Geddon comic which may or may not be canon
True, they won't add Ben, but they will add, I don't know, Tyrone or Jimmy and make a comment that one of their potential names when they were still in the test tube was Ben
Doppelgänger and Spidercide are definitely still possible though.
Wait, what's wrong with the boss fights? Yeah Sandman sucked but shit like Lizard, Kraven, Peter, Li and Scream were pretty good standard bosses with no real gimmicks and multiple phases. Simple spam attack ,parry and dodge with no ates when you can which I prefer to SM1's non-boss fights.
Besides hearing their dialogue over and over due to dying all the time, they're pretty challenging. Or maybe that's because I played on spectacular without upgrading my suit at all. Like, what kind of boss fights are you expecting, at this point?
>Lizard, Kraven, Peter, Li and Scream were pretty good standard bosses with no real gimmicks and multiple phases
Literally the same boss but reskinned. Just a damage sponge with 2-3 attacks that are easily avoided. Multiple phases change absolutely nothing, making every boss even more of a braindead damage sponge.
>but there are cutscenes
Yeah ok lol
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this but that's just the gameplay. That's like saying the boss fights in shit like Souls game or Cuphead are just damage sponges with patterns you dodge. Like, no shit. That's literally every boss fight in every game, more challenging enemies usually because if higher health bars and more challenging attack patterns compared to normal ones.
They're better than the first games because at least the player is more involved where you have to actively react and recognize patterns.
Go on then, please inform the class how would you make a boss fight that does not involve the core gameplay of attacking something while dodging it's attacks. Also, apparently they shouldn't have higher health compared to regular enemies.
Good job intentionally missing the point and acting like a complete Black person.
Then what was your point, anon? I'll engage. How can they be reskinned when they all have different attack patterns?
Are you really going to say Li has the same attacks as Scream? If you're going to say they both have blue attacks well that's more the fault of the rather shallow combat of SM itself where you can only really dodge, parry,and jump and even then Li's fight uses all three of these in varying patterns. Scream is less involved but you do get more environmental things to pay around with.
If you can't articulate the actual problem, then you're just blowing hot air.
>gets called out for acting like a Black person
>Heh, alright, I'll talk like a sane human being now, NERD!
You already shown yourself to be a moronic Black person. There's no point in talking to you because you will just continue to intentionally misinterpret everything.
>Realize he's full of shit
>Just spam Black person Black person Black person
🙂
Well, considering that the third game's main villains are undoubtedly gonna be Ock (somehow) and Goblin, that's already two of the biggest ones down. Maybe all they need to use are the C- and D-listers
>Hydro Man
>the Spider Slayers
>Morbius
>Hypno Hustler
>Vermin
>Tarantula
>Big Wheel
>Slyde
tbh Slyde could be pretty fun to fight in a game and I'm not just saying that because I had a dream I was Slyde last night and it was pretty cool
Slyde would be a lot of fun, as would Rocket Racer. We really need more racing challenges in these games
>the Spider Slayers
If done right, they would probably be cool. But when was the last time a Spider Slayer appeared and wasn't a complete joke?
TASM the video game?
Alright I admit I forgot about these.
Big time?
The giant mech Spider Slayers were definitely the best part of that game tbh
Spider Slayers and Peter's banter were the only good things about the game
Morbius has already been shown to some extent. Morgan Michaels is an alias of Michael Morbius.
Spot's a shoe in because of the movies
Chameleon was set up so he may get a quest line
Carnage will probably be used in the Venom spinoff but since they love doing modern stories I bet you they'll do Red Goblin as the final boss
Hydroman feels likely
Kraven murdering his entire family besides Chameleon feels like such a waste too.
Kinda forgot that Mysterio even exists in Insomniac universe
how the frick did he even get reformed anyway?
And wasn't Tombstone still eager to sell drugs to people all day?
unlike comics the villians in the insomniac universe actually do manage to stay in prison for years at a time they actually do have an incentive to go straight because they aren't breaking out of jail every week like in 616
Don't forget Rhino is dead too
Who THE FRICK cares about rhino
Uhhh bro??
SHE'S BARELY 18 YOU SICK FRICK IT'S COMPLETELY HARAM
She went to School with Pete, how is she younger than him?
Was she frozen in time?
Not in this continuity. Now she’s Miles’ soon to be step sister.
I'm guessing she'll have powers too.
So a third fricking oscorp spider is going to bite her?
woah they turned rhino into an underaged brown halal mutant
Rhino still hasn’t been confirmed.
I thought he survived his wound from Phin but Kraven wasn't looking for him.
Rhino is alive and was one of Kravens targets but was never caught
Oh for frick's sake, Shocker can't catch a break even in videogames.
>noooooo my supervillian that shows up in every piece of spiderman media needs to be alive!!
Who are you quoting?
I really hope they do a proper Oscorp suit for the next game instead of make it a color swap.
Why? It's already basically a colour swap with some tumours on the arms. They wouldn't do anything interesting with the mask either
They can use the concept art design
what happened to the police in the game. There non existent now they don't even show up for crimes
The first game had too much "copaganda" so they got rid of all connections to the police starting from Miles's game. It's why that stupid app exists, they needed a way to alert you of random crimes without you using a police scanner.
Also note how they conspicuously removed the drug deal random crimes after twitter uses pitched a fit when the first game came out
What, did drug addicts get offended or something?
Something about how drug use is a non-violent crime and shouldn't be used in a superhero game or something.
Drugs ruin people lives. Especially the hard stuff like cocaine and meth that’s presumably being sold. Drug peddlers are also some of the worst people imaginable, so they deserve getting beaten.
They think Peter is beating up a dude selling a dime bag of weed on the corner instead of someone selling shit like heroin or meth
In both cases Peter is in the right
Twitter users deserve to be beaten.
I honestly like the app more since it gives off more friendly neighborhood vibes but yeah it does seem like an over correction. you have cults literally setting fire to an oil truck in the middle of times Square and there's no fricking cops around? just seems like way to much of an over correction
The only time I can remember cops in the game is at one of the symbiote nests.
to be fair, making NYC cops friendly dudes that heckin love there community is kinda super unrealistic anyways. Cops in NYC are almost always giant buttholes
Were they ever portrayed like that though? They just did their jobs and that was that. Peter piggybacking off their equipment was an illegal thing that Yuri turned a blind eye to because she trusted him
Peter really needs another cop friend.
Bring in Jean DeWolff
>Were they ever portrayed like that, though
yeah, even when Sable and her Mercs come occupy the city Yuri and JJJ make it sound like you should be siding with the NYPD against an "occupying" force even though historically the NYPD has done everything Sable has done.
Sable and her simps are so hilariously incompetent that they make NYPD look cool by comparison
I can’t believe Sable got away with committing so many war crimes.
not just that but they actually try to make her look like a misunderstood good guy in the dlc
It’s really frustrating.
I think it's not unreasonable to prefer the police over a PMC
I mean sure but it's the same thing with people not downloading tiktok because it's Chinese Spyware and then going on Instagram when they also just steal your data if not more. You're just choosing between Futa wiener and Girlwiener
That's not the reason. The app is for a more down to earth community feel, and our only cop contact (Yuri) became a psycho. She was the only captain willing to work outside the law with Spidey.
You guys really don't see the legal frickery involved with such things. And yes cops are still around, you see them busting guys on the street all the time when exploring the map
Yuri isn’t really psychotic. She doesn’t even kill criminals most of the time.
>spend most of the DLC establishing she wasn't really Peter's friend, she just befriended Spider-Man because it was part of her habit of breaking the rules to get results
>spend the last bit of the DLC having her murder criminals and arrange their corpses like a goddamn psychopath
>bring her back for the sequel
>doesn't kill SOME criminals
>MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP HER, HER JUSTICE IS JUST AS VALID AS MINE, AFTER ALL, SHE'S MY FRIEND
Yuri was fine as Asian Jean DeWolff in the first game, everything they did with her after that is awful. And in the one game that's nothing but symbiotes she doesn't even get one, she's just stuck with this lame side-cut doing low budget ninja shit with a chain and sickle. Wraith might get Peter's anti-venom symbiote in the next game but I expect nothing but disappointment now.
>MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO STOP HER, HER JUSTICE IS JUST AS VALID AS MINE, AFTER ALL, SHE'S MY FRIEND
I think you're missing the point. Peter can't force her to stop, she needs to come to that conclusion herself. Not only is she small potatoes in the grand scheme, but taking her down puts himself and other street level heroes like Daredevil in the crosshairs because they themselves are illegal vigilante.
Peter and Matt don't rip off John Doe from Seven. Comics Wraith was pretty cut and dried about just simply killing people, in the DLC they had her acting more like this game's version of Cletus Cassidy. She leaves Peter a psychotic voicemail about cutting a swathe through the underworld and then in this she's back and he's somehow not treating her like the Punisher. It's just so fricking tone deaf. They realized they fricked up in the DLC and backpedaled hard, I just wish they hadn't been morons in the first place.
I think the angle there was leaving up scarecrows or "warnings" before she hit the scene. Not really backpedaling, but sending a message to get crooks scared
That whole sidequest just reminded me of similar stuff in the Arkham games where you examine serial killings, that might have colored my perception. But I still think it's OOC for Peter, he's always been similar to Daredevil on a zero kill policy vigilantism with guys like Cardiac or Cloak and Dagger, even when they have justification. Her being an old friend (who the last game said wasn't really his friend) would make him hesitate but not like this.
She doesn’t kill a vast majority of the criminals she fights.
>Yuri was fine as Asian Jean DeWolff in the first game, everything they did with her after that is awful.
This is the truth but the only real issue I have with Wraith is that her outfit sucks dick and she's stiff. No one wants another fricking Silver Sable "I'm too bad-ass to pal around with the most popular hero in the western world" persona. Why the frick would you even project that one character for every single female superhero? I don't get it, I don't want it and I'm tired of seeing it infiltrate every single popular male dominated IP.
I don't like the Dyke haircut and Realistically she should have become a bbc sex slave after her first night in town
>And in the one game that's nothing but symbiotes she doesn't even get one,
I'm of the opinion that she doesn't deserve one. If she had one it would dilute the cool ones that we have now. It's the same issue with the clones. If there's too many Spider-themed and symbiote-themed characters then you really have to diversify their abilities and personalities and as it stands I feel Yuri doesn't bring alot to the table but VENGEANCE and I don't see that as being particularly deserving/compelling enough to see her lead a run with the symbiote. It wouldn't alter her personality. She would just go through an internal struggle of brutalizing those who harm the innocent. But that's Peter's gig, see? She would just have the same route and it wouldn't be as interesting because Yuri isn't the reason people buy this game. I.E. she isn't as interesting as Peter. Hell this is the issue Miles is having. Don't need to muddy the waters.
Right now she needs to make Wraith stand out. My issue is that she looks like a dumb dyke going about to go mountain climbing. I fricking hate her design. There's no sex appeal or cool factor. It's so fricking basic. At least her sickle is cool. I was rushing through her fight so she killed me a handful of times before I calmed down and parried. I just kept going "Bro she's a human she can't fricking take Spider-Man let alone Peter with the symbiote behind him." And then Yuri is tossing Spider-Man's salad with reckless abandon all over my screen. Disgraceful.
should have gave her spidey's wraith suit
Yeah, they should have. She'd still look like a rejected character design for the Los Angeles Lakers mascot but still, you know?
fun fact Miles now literally says "I'd better tell those people [fireworks] are illegal before someone calls the cops on them" when he sees burning buildings. He later sees they're being deliberately burned by cultists who then beats up but still. Black Spider-Man in this game is trying to help people get away with their crimes under the polices' nose. It's actually hilarious.
it's actually better than that, two guys are detonating illegal fireworks and one critically injures himself. They give a sob story about how they're doing it because their dead friend liked fireworks and mention they bought it from a fricking paramilitary gang, like thirty guys with assault rifles at the docks who are selling fireworks for some reason. You then bring that guy to the hospital, go beat up the gang, and detonate all the fireworks there, saying it was to honor their friend. Miles never reports them for dealing with dangerous criminals or nearly blowing up their building.
>Paramilitary
>Selling bootleg fireworks
What the flying frick?
That's like having the Tinkerer selling bootleg DVDs
>That's like having the Tinkerer selling bootleg DVDs
Oh man, that would be hilarious. I can just picture it happening.
>AHA! The webhead will never guess that it was I, the great Tinkerer, that tinkered with that shipment of pornographic DVDs and copied their data on blank discs to sell at half the price
>It's over Tinkerer, your pervy schemes have cum to an end, I won't let you poison the minds of the youth with this 240p garbage. Now it's time for a hard pounding.
>Curse you, you meddling arachnid, this time I won't be caught in your sticky fluids
Would be fricking great. But it seems we can't have nice and fun things anymore.
>Should've just fricking said that.
They are "building up suspense" for the casuals anon.
You people are mixing up side missions and spreading misinformation. Cinemaphile is stupid, I swear
it's on purpose to push whatever agenda they have.
Is it me or is MJ less of a suicidal b***h that nearly gets herself killed 12 different times?
I didn't mind Harry as Venom, I liked the relationship between him and Peter, I do feel his heel turn was a little out of nowhere. Pete just ignores a few of his calls and Harry suddenly hsted him. Overall the story was a lot weaker than the first games. I thought they handled Miles and Pete well enough but the Knull references, Cindy Moon, it's too much modern Spidey for memto enjoy it. I could put up with Mr. Negwtive and Yuri I'm the first game but this is too much imo.
Harry’s hatred was being built up throughout the game. Peter said the EMF didn’t matter, started acting like a complete butthole after he gave the symbiote to him to save him, wouldn’t give the symbiote back when he knows he’ll die without it, and Harry feels like he’s stealing his father’s love from him. Harry also feels completely worthless without the suit because he can’t do anything without it. I felt like it was a much better execution of TASM2’s Harry plotline, since you can see how Harry was slowly being consumed by anger and his desire to keep living so he can fulfill his dream.
When is this coming to PC? I want to mod the game to replace every instance of the upgraded concussion blast with Aaron’s garbage mixtape.
I'm hoping that if Eddie is the protagonist he just acts completely like Jack Garland.
The more I think about it, the more I too hope for that.
A dementia ridden psycho that only wants to fight?
They should adapt Toxin, he was actually a heroic symbiote character from the get-go maybe they will resurrect Patrick in the comics if he's adapted in film
Toxin isn't cool.
So what does everyone think of the new parrying and Gliding mechainics?
Gliding fine, I'm enjoying how to figure that out.
Parrying, I'm sure half of the times I press L1 is does nothing.
The window is a lot bigger on the "forced" parry attacks. You need pretty decent timing on other attacks. I prefer dodging.
Yeah, I don't have problems with the small enemies it's the bigger ones that get me a lot of the time.
I was just playing ghost of tsushima and parrying there is so tight and works so much better, It's actually required, so you have to get perfect at it to make it work.
the parry window is weirdly tight so you gotta work on execution timing since a lot of the attacks from enemies differ. Gliding is very much needed to keep momentum on swing assistance 0-2
Yuri is so gay
>hurr Spider-Man let me kill this fire OC who doesn't matter and didn't have to be in the game at all
she was right, peter let go the most deranged killer in the marvel universe. Penis parker
>Penis Parker
Oh frick me I've been watching those Penis Prager YTP videos and this got me good. Also yes Yuri is right I just wish she looked more attractive and not a stupid fricking dyke who's about to go hiking.
It’s not an OC. Peter just let one of his most deranged and murderous villains go.
>like Yuri in the first game
>she comes back with some stupid dyke haircut and thoroughly uninventive crime-fighting outfit
Dropped
Yeah its Carnage. Should've just fricking said that. Stupid game.
Spider-Man 2: Black History Month [LGBT edition]
I really hated Miles’ side missions. It just felt like pandering.
I'm black. I felt guilty as frick. But I Skip Cinematic as well. I just want to get back to being Spider-Man. I'm tried of all of these black aunties talking to me about stupid shit or firing Peter. Frick.
All the talk about community makes me wonder if the devs have ever stepped foot into NY at all, or read the comics. New Yorkers are buttholes.
can someone please post the "imagine how people would react if Miles was a white guy named Mike Madsen [or something]" pasta? I can't find it?
Oh would you look at that another fricking female scientist. Wow didn't expect--OH WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT. ANOTHER. FRICKING. FEMALE. ENGINEER. WOW.
I feel really bad for Norman.
I don't, dude has to stop storing WMDs in the city
It was supposed to be a cure to save his son.
His cures fricking SUCK. You really telling me this universe with all its bullshit tech doesn't have dependable gene editing? Or that he couldn't develop Devil's Breath in Antarctica? Harry wasn't going anywhere in that bacta tank.
because Norman can't get away from his precious woke new york. wokeness ultimately makes Norman stay cause all these mistakes. wouldn't be surpised if he sucked gay wiener to make his son a troony too
Ideally how would street level crimes work in Venom? General civilian reactions while on the street?
he kills Black folk only. go to Harlem and have a feast and I guarantee you the city crime rates drop 90%
Actually kills criminals, with terrified reactions from the townsfolk. If you stick around too long after a random crime the cops will show up and shoot you.
People would be horrified
Hypothetical: Hot Toys decides to expand their Spider-Game line of figures, what character would you want to see the most?
>Doctor Octopus
>Scorpion
>Rhino
>Shocker
>Vulture
>Electro
>Tombstone
>Prowler
>Black Cat
>Kraven
>Sandman
>Mysterio
>Mister Negative
>Taskmaster
>Tinkerer
Doc Ock, Shocker, and Tombstone are my top 3 since I think their game designs are actually pretty good. Maybe Taskmaster and Vulture too.
Rhino, Vulture, and Doc would probably be the most challenging, but likely still doable. Venom's 20 inch size means Rhino is able to go that scale, and MCU Toomes and Otto seemed to overcome their complications (wingspan and tentacles). Really I'd take any of the Sinister Six. If say Lizard were to get one, I'd probably make a custom lab coat to throw over it
How big was Harry kill count in this game? Because besides Kraven, I’m willing to bet a lot of the guards and hunters he fought died.
Under 20 people. Dozens of injuries. He was controlled by Venom so it's guilt free.
Like with Miles, they're probably going to give him a spinoff where Venom and Eddie will be anti-heroes like the Venom movies and Carnage will be the main villain of it like Venom: Let There Be Carnage. I don't think they'll have a symbiote be the main threat again in the third main game.
If the Venom spin off game happens, what suits do you guys want to see? I would love to have a Raimiverse Venom design or the design from the Ultimate comics.
I'd just like them to throw in as many symbiotes as possible, but that might be kind of tricky skeleton-wise since they aren't all as huge as Venom. I wonder if some are just going to have to be color references.
I'd also like to see a more blue classic Venom shaded in a similar way to how they did the TAS black suit.
Cardiac is underrated. I'd prefer Venom not kill him though, since they both have similar goals of trying to save lives while not really caring about the law.
Riot is an obvious one
Cardiac would be a great "warm up villain" for Eddie's game right before Carnage
I think for Spider-Man 3 there should be Spider Slayers as Osborn-funded kill machines designed to eradicate Peter, Miles, and Venom.
Think like the Guardians from BotW.
I had the exact same thought, anon. Only this time instead of Smythe creating them, perhaps Otto's is the one making assembly line made slayers.
Though the questions is should they look like spiders or some other kind of bot? I guess they could have several since it'd technically be a faction
My idea was more that they'd be based off of natural predators for spiders. Shit like tarantula hawks, birds, centipedes, and monkeys.
>Spiders
>Centipedes
>Wasps
That's 3 good enemy types right there. Throw in the humanoid tv screen bots and we have a solid faction.
I almost want Otto and Norman to go to war in the third act, with Otto's slayers vs Norman's.....I'm not quite sure yet.
don't forget homieS!
honestly I have no idea how to feel that took away some of the instant kill attacks. I really liked impact webs
why is the like the one thread out of a million not full of ragebait about culture war stuff
Because everybody likes Venom
maybe back in the 90s now trannies are clamoring onto him and making him woke
Please for the love of God get off the Internet for a day. Go read comic books. Watch TV. Just stop browsing Twitter and Cinemaphile and reddit.
Can we talk about how shit Mysterio is in this game?
>That awful design
>Miles exclusive missions
>Literally just some reskinned mook rush challenges
>Don't even get to fight the real Mysterio
They took one of my favourite villains and fricking ruined him
I actually liked Mysterio and Tombstone and how there trying to reform but yeah making it Miles only and having Quentin be scammed by two "totally cool girlbosses xD" is wokeness overload
The Mysterio reforming thing would be fine but we never actually got to see him before that point. All his character development and interactions with Spider-Man happen off screen
I didn't give one frick about Mysterio. I tried those USBs and all it was was two women I didn't give a frick about trying to be quirky. I instantly tuned out and stopped caring. Then it turns out they whooped his ass and was using his shit. Completely cucked him out of his attempt to do better. Limiting Mysterio to Miles was a fricking mistake because the boy has no history with him and the one they tried to establish in this game doesn't really go anywhere and Quentin looks all fat and lame. He should look like a chad and be charismatic not some sullen homosexual. And Tombstone was all
>I went straight
Like, alright. And? That's it? OK.
The worst of all was big fat homosexual ass crybaby Sandman. Oh my fricking GOD dude he's written like he's going through a fricking divorce or ending a romantic relationship. Like 19 pieces of some dude crying about his daughter. Like find your nuts you big b***h, my God! FRICK! I'm tired of prolific heroes and villains only EVER having daughters. We know why. In the comics its just an excuse to draw a hot chick trying to fight a hero. But here you get limp dick female superhero outfits like
which is literally by grandma's yoga outfit but with a mask and boots. No one wants a chick who isn't hot or teasing that she's romantically interested in the Hero and by proxy (you) the reader. Certainly not the target demographic.
....I liked his design
I thought it was fine as something Beck was wearing on the street minus the bowl head. But as the full costume it looks like shit
I personally don't see the problem
>Fishbowl head
>Eye pendants
>Big thematic purple trench coat
>Green chestplate
>Spooky claws
Dude is still rocking the theatrical
The claws are shit and gay. They look like long nails more than anything else
The skull is stupid
The coat is a poor man's cloak, looks fine as Beck's attire but disappointing as Mysterio's
The eye pendants don't even make sense anymore considering the used to hold up the cloak
Insomniac just seems to be allergic to good, clean designs
You’re the Ben/Electrogay, aren’t you?
The what?
You could probably use the LF symbiotes as recurring bosses.
For added drama or whatever Scream is Anne instead of Donna.
just noticed but Venom still sets off Peter's Spider Sense in this universe
obviously because people would get upset if you couldn't telegraph dodges and parries
They should make it option in the settings.
I'm having a hard time sticking with a suit for my first playthrough, but I think I got it. Rate my taste
>Superior Spider-Man, default colors
>Purple Reign, Silver with Red Logo Variant
The former feels more like an "upgrade" what with his drones and mechanical legs, whereas the latter feels like a nice contrast/uniform to Peter's
The use of the Superior suit for Peter immediately bumps your taste up to a 7 or 8, but have you considered using the Life Story suit for Miles? I personally think that would really bring enhance your experience just that little bit more.
That doesn’t really fit with the Superior suit though. Trying to go with a duo uniform/inverted
It fits because they’re both Otto
I meant visually
Honestly the one you mentioned is a pretty good choice, I was just making a joke.
I know, still love you
>That doesn’t really fit with the Superior suit though.
Are you sure?
Plot point for 3; Norman, in an effort to further torment Peter and his social circle, creates Molten Man. He’s not targeting him specifically, but everyone around him like a poison. How about trapping JJ in a spider slayer?
too woke
That shitpost doesn’t even make sense
let me guess FTM troony?
Are you having a stroke? You’re not making sense bro
Didn't the devs say they wanted to do some kind of twist for a game like Ben or SpOck?
No
introducing silk into the mainstream is their twist
There's at least three better Spider-Ladies out there to choose from, and they pick Slott's yellow fever fetish character?
you guys keep acting surpised that Slott Stuff are in these games when fricking Dan Slott himself is a consultant for these games
such as?
Julia pre-Grim Hunt is better than any of the other Spider-Women
Julia fricking sucks and so does Anya
Julia was great in WCA and Force Works
You know he didn't read those, c'mon
Yeah I know but still
>Force Works
Pass. Secret Wars reject wearing the black suit
here you go
this is what you wanted right?
Not really. I’m genuinely tired of you fragile fricks acting like a different opinion is Shitposting. Has this place warped you this much?
>Jessica copied the secret agent and single mom traits
>Anya stole her costume
She was too powerful, so they nerfed her.
Julia Carpenter, before she was Madame Web.
Arana, before she lost her carapace.
Mayday.
>Mayday.
For the love of god keep her away from this crap
Anya for more latinx representation
>latinx representation
I'm amazed at how unsexy this is Probably because I know the face is a wax monster
embarrassingly flat ass
No there really isn’t
He was not. Dan was only asked for tips with Mister Negative, and the fat lazy frick still had Gage do all the work
no he was a consultant I will fricking kill you if you keep trying to gaslight me
Again, only brought in briefly for the first game since he created Mister Negative. Lot good that did, because Slott doesn’t flesh out his ideas. He took a check, and Christoph Gage was the writer. I’m not gaslighting you, I’m correcting you
eeeehhh
>this character sucks
>she was great in these comics you should try
>pass, [objectively incorrect information]
>what do you mean I'm shitposting???
>why are you so fragile, it's just my opinion???
>Incorrect
She was in Secret Wars #6
>Secret Wars reject
She's clearly not a "reject", because she's had a long history after that, she didn't just fade into obscurity
>wearing the black suit
It's her costume, Peter stole it then her spider was retconned into knull shit
She kinda did fade into obscurity
She definitely faded into the back during the 2000s after being a constant Avengers B-team member since the 80s. Sucks they took away her powers and made her blind to cut down on Spider characters.
No Eddie as Venom, not interested
Harry has to be in a coma for SM3's plot so it at the very least won't be about him