Those headlines are retarded though, it's just comic shops ordering it before it even starts, it says absolutely nothing about how it's being received by the audience.
Even for the audience the sales for first issues are usually very high but the real numbers are the sales you see five months in.
I don't even dislike it. I am not actually hyped either (for now) since it basically seems to be just some G1 highlights in comic form, but I want to like it and nobody knows how it will develop, so everybody should give it a chance, even if they are tired of G1.
Kinda curious about how Void Rivals is doing too and what it will turn into down the line. Not sure how to feel about it so far.
Actual Cybertron content and stories about Transformers, the war between them (before Earth) and their culture instead of nothing but daily human saving. It can start that way but I hope it ups the scales.
Also no events and crossovers. I know the latter is a given with Joe, but maybe it's tolerable if it's properly integrated from the start, but I will probably give up on this if it should force me to read another comic that isn't even TF related to understand this comic or if there are long arcs about Joe. I can enjoy both on their own, but mixing it usually causes shitty pacing.
Is this an actual spoiler? Sounds interesting if true.
I watched the G1 series a too fucking long time ago to know if it's something that also happened there, I can barely recall anything about it besides a few tropes and meme scenes anons are still posting screenshots of.
>its gonna be Ironhide, one of them isn't it.
He is not a they/them yet! I fear the same though. Not sure about the other one though, assuming that we don't see a Cybertron related scene in which Starscream is killing Sentinel or something.
Ironhide never gets to do anything anymore so i'm worried already when i see him and Prowl are also on the Ark, Bumblebee can be seen in the preview but i'd reckon he'll be in it later on. considering we have a dead Ironhide and Prowl 2 pack set at Target right now, now i'm very worried.
Ironhide and Prowl would suck. I mean yeah Prowl was basically a non-character back in G1 so maybe if they never intended to make him interesting in the first place it's to be expected, but he is a cop so I think it's an useless waste of potential. Renegade Prowl was one of the best characters of IDW1 IMO. Not enough bad cop side characters or rightful dudes who slowly lose their patience because the enemy refuses to play by the rules. In that sense I felt like his hate against Decepticons was refreshing. And Ironhide is usually just likeable in general and "older", which is always nice.
>considering we have a dead Ironhide and Prowl 2 pack set at Target right now, now i'm very worried.
Isn't that part of the 'Studio Series' line of toys for the 1986 movie, not anything to do with the new comic at all?
>What are your hopes >Classic 80s G1, taking more influence from Sunbow than from previous comics >Use no OCs, worldbuilding or ideas from IDW at all >Give the fujos and gays absolutely nothing to work with so they finally leave Transformers >Don't overuse Transformers/GI Joe interaction, make it rare and a big deal when it does happen >Don't introduce too many characters too quickly, but don't make people wait too long for Megatron and other popular characters >Don't spend more time on OCs, human or Transformer than on the characters people are here for >Don't kill off any of the initial cast too soon, if at all >Give underused characters like Cliffjumper and Skywarp their chance to shine, try and make them more popular >Don't launch too many more books, don't make things too difficult for people to follow.
Six issues of DWJ comic kino, and dipping. Hopefully the next creative team and maintain the momentum. Licensed comics rarely succeed because of talent, they mostly exist to fleece consoomers too emotionally attached to muh IP.
Who else is on board? I haven't been following closely, and most creators whose work I enjoy are too mind broken to leave Big Two comics and experiment elsewhere.
I'm hard pressed to think of names I'd continue to pick up this book for. Ryan Stegman, Bernard Chang, and Patrick Gleason would be cool to see take a crack at a run. My index of Western artists is severely limited these days, back when I used social media I would just enjoy whatever they posted to the picture platforms and not need to buy and endure the boring shit pumped out at Marvel and DC utilizing their art.
Not at all shocking. He's a talented creator who likes to hop around, and the shit commercial American comic market (DC/Marvel) no longer produces legendary runs. If you get a creator, or team on a book for longer than 4-6 issues these days it's a miracle.
Eh. Amerimutt comic creeps are just memeing manga, they're going to stay malding at the corporations that have had them over the barrel for 80+ years dragging their IPs through the mud.
Average comic and manga readers don't give a fuck about creators. They just want to participate in the popular consumption. Even manga is pretty schizo among American weebs, either you're reading the current hotness; or you're growing out of it. In my experience they rarely give a fuck about creators and following them, just the watercooler conversation and faux "geek cred" of peacocking as a weeb.
I laugh when I see malding Amerimutts calling MHA "old" in this timeline. I'll be over here collecting my wizardry mangas and appreciating the creators as always. Let me know when those manga consoomers are getting into vintage stuff. They won't, Dragonball and One Piece are every bit as intimidating to jump into at this point as American comics, they're just infinitely less confusing to seek out. As somebody that has grown up with comics for too long, even I'm tired of the bullshit of trying to keep track of which series / reboot / run is which when hunting down back issues.
>manga readers don't give a fuck about creators.
retard >Dragonball and One Piece are every bit as intimidating to jump into at this point as American comics
double retard. You read all that shit from Ch.1 on for fucking free.
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I know for a fact that a lot of people feel intimidated to jump into One Piece due how long it is.
And with Dragon Ball there is also split on how you want to consume it.
If I understood the other post correctly it's not about "caring" about the writers and artists, but that it sucks when one and the same story is changing them multiple times, which manga do not do.
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That's the trick. Consoomers don't care who makes the things they consume. They just want the thing. It's alarming if you're a discerning fan of media, but if you talk to enough people you'll find they don't care who makes the things they enjoy, so long as a steady stream of those things keep coming. Comics and film are as divorced from the creator for most consumers as fast food is from the recipe / cook staff.
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I don't think so. Most people I know can't get into comics or skip parts (or end up dropping them) if the artist change. It's too jarring and sometimes you might not even recognize characters anymore since most western artists have this weird trait that makes them hate to adapt so everybody pushes their own very particular style and it sucks unless it's a separate mini comic or something. I might even like all of the artists separately, but I hate when one and the same series changes the style all the time. >Comics and film are as divorced from the creator for most consumers as fast food is from the recipe / cook staff.
To be honest most creations suck and most people are only good in their early years or only ever create one truly good thing. I always check all the shit they did when the once in a blue moon series or movie appears that I genuinely like instead of just consider "okay". But in most cases I can't stand the other shit they made or it's the same story again but with lamer setting and characters or something.
Also I totally disagree about what you say about normalfags. Normalfags are addicted and obsessed with celebrity shit and names.
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>It's too jarring and sometimes you might not even recognize characters anymore since most western artists have this weird trait that makes them hate to adapt so everybody pushes their own very particular style and it sucks unless it's a separate mini comic or something. I might even like all of the artists separately, but I hate when one and the same series changes the style all the time.
I agree that American comics has had many notoriously shit shifts in creative direction, I forget which arc it was when I dropped X-titles in the 90's, but it was during the Image exodus and it went from that slick Lee style to some shit that looked like a southpaw scribbling with a chisel tip Marks-A-Lot permanent marker. Excalibur was notorious for it too, that was a book I picked up because of the creative team - then some atrocious chumps come along to do fill-ins. Dropped! Editorial, and management could foster a visual style within the book's stable; but after Image comics it seems like Marvel and DC don't want artists to become synonymous with THEIR characters. Easier to keep the docile and less rambunctious writers pleased.
>To be honest most creations suck and most people are only good in their early years or only ever create one truly good thing.
Not every creative lays golden eggs consistently. Daniel Warren Johnson here has produced some stinkers I had higher hopes for. Jason Pearson worked on some real shit books at Marvel that I bought just because he drew them. It's not 100%, but I have creators I can rely on for entertainment more often than not.
>Also I totally disagree about what you say about normalfags. Normalfags are addicted and obsessed with celebrity shit and names.
Celebrities yes. The people behind celebrities (directors, musicians, fight choreographers, production artists)? No.
Not him but isn't it just comic shop owners? The comic isn't out, so so far nobody knows if it's good or shit. There aren't any fans of it yet.
Even if all of them were pre-orders by actual readers not the shops it doesn't mean much, since first issues always sell well because everybody is checking it out. Literally even I have pre-ordered it too and I doubt that I will be very interested. I would be legit surprised if #3 onward would sell more than 50k and it will get less the more time passes.
How much is Void Rivals selling right now? Issue 4 I mean. I don't dislike it but it's not really great either, have a hard time imagining that it's still selling 100k like the first issue.
Sure that's comics, if you don't do a compelling job people will drop and leave. You have to retain your audience. I was just saying that this is the modern market, those are good numbers for an issue #1 today. What happens next who knows.
The start of Dream Wave and IDW looked way better imo. I will forever be sad that the DW continuity has died just when it was about to get even better, all because of a retarded money addict.
We only have preview pages to go on right? I think we can compare preview to preview
This is Dreamwave's preview for the first mini
I was so fucking excited for this series. I was starved for TF content at the time and even bought the huge fucking posters of Megs and Optimus and had them hanging in my room. I loved DW's run.
Yeah I felt like people were mindbroken after the dead of DW to a point at which even Furman couldn't make them return anymore, at least not as many. By now they calmed down and after a year without comics, maybe even more for those that gave up during the event and crossover craze of IDW1, everybody just wants a new comic already.
I am not the type that associates nostalgia with fiction I consumed as kid, so not huge on that G1 nostalgia baiting, but it's only six issues, so they probably just want to attract the original fans and remake iconic G1 scenes for the new audience so that they experience some of the classic content. They will probably slowly move away from this and do their own story as the later series starts and progresses.
The one thing I like is that OP doesn't seem to be insecure at least. It's a trait that makes no sense for a leader in a war and I already hate that they might make him another data clerk wimp in Origin again.
I honestly mainly just want enough screentime for robots and that some of the bots I like the most will appear later. Also Starscream winning sometimes would be fun. He's an asshole but assholes are always fun so I hope it won't just be monthly Optimus saves the day stories.
Those headlines are retarded though, it's just comic shops ordering it before it even starts, it says absolutely nothing about how it's being received by the audience.
Even for the audience the sales for first issues are usually very high but the real numbers are the sales you see five months in.
I don't even dislike it. I am not actually hyped either (for now) since it basically seems to be just some G1 highlights in comic form, but I want to like it and nobody knows how it will develop, so everybody should give it a chance, even if they are tired of G1.
Kinda curious about how Void Rivals is doing too and what it will turn into down the line. Not sure how to feel about it so far.
There’s always hype around a #1 release from speculators and shops.
Need to see how later issues sell before claiming its a hit
Having G.I. Joe and Transformers be in the same continuity from the ground up is a neat idea and i'm surprised it hasn't been done before.
Michael Bay did it though.
And it was shit
No he didn't.
No event bullshit
Actual Cybertron content and stories about Transformers, the war between them (before Earth) and their culture instead of nothing but daily human saving. It can start that way but I hope it ups the scales.
Also no events and crossovers. I know the latter is a given with Joe, but maybe it's tolerable if it's properly integrated from the start, but I will probably give up on this if it should force me to read another comic that isn't even TF related to understand this comic or if there are long arcs about Joe. I can enjoy both on their own, but mixing it usually causes shitty pacing.
Is anybody up to date with Void Rivals? How is it? I only watched the Invincible cartoon, not really knowledgeable about Kirk Man's works.
Void Rivals is fine but its just set up for the main course.
Have you seen Enemy Mine? It's basically that with the occasional Transformers thing thrown in.
Two Transformers ongoings at most
Starscream kills two major Autobots in the first issue.
Based. As long as it's bots I don't care about. Objective shit tier writing if it's someone I like.
Is this an actual spoiler? Sounds interesting if true.
I watched the G1 series a too fucking long time ago to know if it's something that also happened there, I can barely recall anything about it besides a few tropes and meme scenes anons are still posting screenshots of.
oh god its gonna be Ironhide, one of them isn't it.
>its gonna be Ironhide, one of them isn't it.
He is not a they/them yet! I fear the same though. Not sure about the other one though, assuming that we don't see a Cybertron related scene in which Starscream is killing Sentinel or something.
Ironhide never gets to do anything anymore so i'm worried already when i see him and Prowl are also on the Ark, Bumblebee can be seen in the preview but i'd reckon he'll be in it later on. considering we have a dead Ironhide and Prowl 2 pack set at Target right now, now i'm very worried.
Ironhide and Prowl would suck. I mean yeah Prowl was basically a non-character back in G1 so maybe if they never intended to make him interesting in the first place it's to be expected, but he is a cop so I think it's an useless waste of potential. Renegade Prowl was one of the best characters of IDW1 IMO. Not enough bad cop side characters or rightful dudes who slowly lose their patience because the enemy refuses to play by the rules. In that sense I felt like his hate against Decepticons was refreshing. And Ironhide is usually just likeable in general and "older", which is always nice.
>considering we have a dead Ironhide and Prowl 2 pack set at Target right now, now i'm very worried.
Isn't that part of the 'Studio Series' line of toys for the 1986 movie, not anything to do with the new comic at all?
i know but i can't help but get worried. unless there's more guys in the ark we haven't seen yet.
RIP Cliffjumper. We all knew it would happen.
Inb4 Jazz
They'd be fucking nuts to kill off Jazz in the first issue. He's always been a fan favorite.
So he pulls a Prime Starscream? lmao
Has this been leaked already?
rip cliffjumper
Do you have any other things to hint without breaking the no spoiler rule too much?
Bumblebee and mirage
Damn, it's finally the lambo twin's turn, huh?
>What are your hopes
>Classic 80s G1, taking more influence from Sunbow than from previous comics
>Use no OCs, worldbuilding or ideas from IDW at all
>Give the fujos and gays absolutely nothing to work with so they finally leave Transformers
>Don't overuse Transformers/GI Joe interaction, make it rare and a big deal when it does happen
>Don't introduce too many characters too quickly, but don't make people wait too long for Megatron and other popular characters
>Don't spend more time on OCs, human or Transformer than on the characters people are here for
>Don't kill off any of the initial cast too soon, if at all
>Give underused characters like Cliffjumper and Skywarp their chance to shine, try and make them more popular
>Don't launch too many more books, don't make things too difficult for people to follow.
of it's going to be based more on the cartoon then I want Optimus to keep his cartoon origin
Considering how IDW launched, I'm surprised Skybound's launch surpassed DreamWave's
Six issues of DWJ comic kino, and dipping. Hopefully the next creative team and maintain the momentum. Licensed comics rarely succeed because of talent, they mostly exist to fleece consoomers too emotionally attached to muh IP.
The thing that surprised me is Kirkman is getting actual big names within both the creator-owned sphere and Marvel/DC to work on this
Who else is on board? I haven't been following closely, and most creators whose work I enjoy are too mind broken to leave Big Two comics and experiment elsewhere.
I'm hard pressed to think of names I'd continue to pick up this book for. Ryan Stegman, Bernard Chang, and Patrick Gleason would be cool to see take a crack at a run. My index of Western artists is severely limited these days, back when I used social media I would just enjoy whatever they posted to the picture platforms and not need to buy and endure the boring shit pumped out at Marvel and DC utilizing their art.
Kirkman is a big name in comics with successful ips adapted in other mediums, of course he could ask anyone he wanted to work for him.
Robert Kirkman is bizzaro-verse Mark Millar.
He's only doing six issues?
Yes.
He confirms it in this interview.
Not at all shocking. He's a talented creator who likes to hop around, and the shit commercial American comic market (DC/Marvel) no longer produces legendary runs. If you get a creator, or team on a book for longer than 4-6 issues these days it's a miracle.
This is why everyone is switching to manga.
Eh. Amerimutt comic creeps are just memeing manga, they're going to stay malding at the corporations that have had them over the barrel for 80+ years dragging their IPs through the mud.
Average comic and manga readers don't give a fuck about creators. They just want to participate in the popular consumption. Even manga is pretty schizo among American weebs, either you're reading the current hotness; or you're growing out of it. In my experience they rarely give a fuck about creators and following them, just the watercooler conversation and faux "geek cred" of peacocking as a weeb.
I laugh when I see malding Amerimutts calling MHA "old" in this timeline. I'll be over here collecting my wizardry mangas and appreciating the creators as always. Let me know when those manga consoomers are getting into vintage stuff. They won't, Dragonball and One Piece are every bit as intimidating to jump into at this point as American comics, they're just infinitely less confusing to seek out. As somebody that has grown up with comics for too long, even I'm tired of the bullshit of trying to keep track of which series / reboot / run is which when hunting down back issues.
>manga readers don't give a fuck about creators.
retard
>Dragonball and One Piece are every bit as intimidating to jump into at this point as American comics
double retard. You read all that shit from Ch.1 on for fucking free.
I know for a fact that a lot of people feel intimidated to jump into One Piece due how long it is.
And with Dragon Ball there is also split on how you want to consume it.
If I understood the other post correctly it's not about "caring" about the writers and artists, but that it sucks when one and the same story is changing them multiple times, which manga do not do.
That's the trick. Consoomers don't care who makes the things they consume. They just want the thing. It's alarming if you're a discerning fan of media, but if you talk to enough people you'll find they don't care who makes the things they enjoy, so long as a steady stream of those things keep coming. Comics and film are as divorced from the creator for most consumers as fast food is from the recipe / cook staff.
I don't think so. Most people I know can't get into comics or skip parts (or end up dropping them) if the artist change. It's too jarring and sometimes you might not even recognize characters anymore since most western artists have this weird trait that makes them hate to adapt so everybody pushes their own very particular style and it sucks unless it's a separate mini comic or something. I might even like all of the artists separately, but I hate when one and the same series changes the style all the time.
>Comics and film are as divorced from the creator for most consumers as fast food is from the recipe / cook staff.
To be honest most creations suck and most people are only good in their early years or only ever create one truly good thing. I always check all the shit they did when the once in a blue moon series or movie appears that I genuinely like instead of just consider "okay". But in most cases I can't stand the other shit they made or it's the same story again but with lamer setting and characters or something.
Also I totally disagree about what you say about normalfags. Normalfags are addicted and obsessed with celebrity shit and names.
>It's too jarring and sometimes you might not even recognize characters anymore since most western artists have this weird trait that makes them hate to adapt so everybody pushes their own very particular style and it sucks unless it's a separate mini comic or something. I might even like all of the artists separately, but I hate when one and the same series changes the style all the time.
I agree that American comics has had many notoriously shit shifts in creative direction, I forget which arc it was when I dropped X-titles in the 90's, but it was during the Image exodus and it went from that slick Lee style to some shit that looked like a southpaw scribbling with a chisel tip Marks-A-Lot permanent marker. Excalibur was notorious for it too, that was a book I picked up because of the creative team - then some atrocious chumps come along to do fill-ins. Dropped! Editorial, and management could foster a visual style within the book's stable; but after Image comics it seems like Marvel and DC don't want artists to become synonymous with THEIR characters. Easier to keep the docile and less rambunctious writers pleased.
>To be honest most creations suck and most people are only good in their early years or only ever create one truly good thing.
Not every creative lays golden eggs consistently. Daniel Warren Johnson here has produced some stinkers I had higher hopes for. Jason Pearson worked on some real shit books at Marvel that I bought just because he drew them. It's not 100%, but I have creators I can rely on for entertainment more often than not.
>Also I totally disagree about what you say about normalfags. Normalfags are addicted and obsessed with celebrity shit and names.
Celebrities yes. The people behind celebrities (directors, musicians, fight choreographers, production artists)? No.
>153k is a huge success now
>150,000
>a hit of any kind
How low standards have fallen.
>a hit of any kind
For post-1996 crash standards, it's a hit
That is just sad beyond all words.
You're finding out about this now?
How fucking new are you?
I mean have 150,000 people ever been interested in something you created? This is modern comics, it's just a smaller market.
Not him but isn't it just comic shop owners? The comic isn't out, so so far nobody knows if it's good or shit. There aren't any fans of it yet.
Even if all of them were pre-orders by actual readers not the shops it doesn't mean much, since first issues always sell well because everybody is checking it out. Literally even I have pre-ordered it too and I doubt that I will be very interested. I would be legit surprised if #3 onward would sell more than 50k and it will get less the more time passes.
How much is Void Rivals selling right now? Issue 4 I mean. I don't dislike it but it's not really great either, have a hard time imagining that it's still selling 100k like the first issue.
Sure that's comics, if you don't do a compelling job people will drop and leave. You have to retain your audience. I was just saying that this is the modern market, those are good numbers for an issue #1 today. What happens next who knows.
I want the CEO of IDW to shit himself with envy.
500000 units
The start of Dream Wave and IDW looked way better imo. I will forever be sad that the DW continuity has died just when it was about to get even better, all because of a retarded money addict.
We only have preview pages to go on right? I think we can compare preview to preview
This is Dreamwave's preview for the first mini
This is IDW's preview
And this is the Skybound preview
>DW. Then IDW.
Actually disappointed that the new publisher isn't called TIDW or something.
Image-skybounD-W-something
Perfect.
Image-skybounD-Worldwide
I was so fucking excited for this series. I was starved for TF content at the time and even bought the huge fucking posters of Megs and Optimus and had them hanging in my room. I loved DW's run.
Wrong. IDW and DW didn't make these numbers.
I wasn't talking about the numbers, I wouldn't have phrased it that way if I talked about an objective fact.
Yeah I felt like people were mindbroken after the dead of DW to a point at which even Furman couldn't make them return anymore, at least not as many. By now they calmed down and after a year without comics, maybe even more for those that gave up during the event and crossover craze of IDW1, everybody just wants a new comic already.
I am not the type that associates nostalgia with fiction I consumed as kid, so not huge on that G1 nostalgia baiting, but it's only six issues, so they probably just want to attract the original fans and remake iconic G1 scenes for the new audience so that they experience some of the classic content. They will probably slowly move away from this and do their own story as the later series starts and progresses.
The one thing I like is that OP doesn't seem to be insecure at least. It's a trait that makes no sense for a leader in a war and I already hate that they might make him another data clerk wimp in Origin again.
Are the DW comics worth reading? I only read IDW.
Eh, it'll be nice to have a back to basic approach, at least.
I honestly mainly just want enough screentime for robots and that some of the bots I like the most will appear later. Also Starscream winning sometimes would be fun. He's an asshole but assholes are always fun so I hope it won't just be monthly Optimus saves the day stories.
They better not fuck up the landing
The void rivals comic is pretty good so far
I’m pretty sure it’s about nebulon descendants
The bots have always fucked up their landing.
You know what I mean, but that was mighty clever.
Megatron is too CHAD for earthlings he probably stayed on Cybertron this time and it's Starscream doing the dirty work.
Where the HELL is that variant cover from? Reverse image-search gives me jack and shit...
DWJ's twitter
good news then.
Sure, if the comic's good.