So basically he spends like the first 20 minutes of the movie waxing messianic about how he’s this super effective and highly professional killer, he then proceeds to immediately fuck up, the standard consequences for such a fuck up go into effect, and he spends the whole rest of the movie making it personal and punishing everyone else (i.e. the ones who were ACTUALLY just doing their jobs and keeping it about business) all while continuing to espouse a hypocritical self-narrative of being a consummate professionalism.
Is that the point of his whole epilogue speech? That he knows his whole detached professional self-image is a lie?
He’s a pro that knows how to deal with things going wrong. That’s it.
And no, the whole point is he’s a psychopath and picks a personality which suits him in the moment. The final monologue is him just switching to normie mode.
>He’s a pro that knows how to deal with things going wrong.
He's the one constantly causing things to go wrong though
What are you talking about? A bystander gets in the way of his first hit and he cleans up all the loose strings after. Which part of that him “constantly causing things to go wrong”?
>A bystander gets in the way of his first hit and he cleans up all the loose strings after
He didn't have to. He did it for/because of his woman.
>He did it for/because of his woman.
ah yes the random faceless girl who we spend exactly 30 seconds with getting to know
I will now be motivated to care for another 90 minutes david thank you
Maybe pay attention for once.
And because he was a mark. Again, which part is him making things go wrong for himself?
The fact he prevailed doesn't mean he did great. He broke with his mantras consistently. Almost got killed by the pitbull roidhead and by Tilda. He could've just moved somewhere else and probably none of it would've mattered much in the future.
He couldn’t move because they would’ve found him. The whole point is ending the whole thing by going to the client. Stop being idiotic.
Tilda and roidhead didn't even know his face. The lawyer wasn't much of an honest guy but I doubt they would've been that persistent.
The point is he doesn’t take chances. “Maybe they’ll stop coming after me” isn’t enough.
>The point is he doesn’t take chances
>spends the entire runtime taking insane chances and putting himself in high-risk situations
No, he admits at the end that he isn't that ubermensch superkiller he pretended being.
It’s either tie up loose ends or die. Stop being retarded, children.
>children
Okay, that does it. You're stupid.
I’m still waiting to hear about how he’s “constantly making things wrong for himself”
He got almost killed a ton of times. You're stupid. Get off my board, low IQ.
>do a dangerous job
>life is threatened multiple times
Duhhhhhh ya think, kiddo?
Yes and do it quickly and efficiently just like he did. Why do these retards not get it?
They will tell you it’s because they “love seeing you seethe” but in reality they’re just dumb and taking out their frustration from their shitty lives on people who just want to talk about film.
You’re arguing the rationality of his actions while the people you’re arguing with are talking about the morality of his choices. Do you seriously not see that?
they're arguing disengeniously at best
as if anything about the movie was even slightly nuanced or layered enough to not get
I hate you midwits.
Im too handsome to care what you think about anything fatso
I hope you don't think you did something there, midwit.
Oh I get it now. You’re one of those brainlets who thinks he’s smarter than everyone else but is actually too stupid to realize that he’s a brainlet. Got it. Moving on.
These retards jot don’t get it. He tied up all of his loose ends quickly and efficiently. Different anon btw.
She was literally inches from his line of sight the whole time. For someone who took literally days waiting for a shot, it was totally implausible that he’d take a shot with such an obvious likelihood of someone getting in the way.
I figured he was waiting for her to move entirely out of his scope, but no, he shot when someone else is practically in the path of the bullet. She was close enough to be the one shot even if she’d been standing still just due to normal ballistic projectile motion hijinks. It was retarded.
One mistake at the start of the film still doesn’t answer how he “constantly causes things to go wrong for himself”. He literally cleans up all loose ends efficiently and quickly by the end. Why can’t any of you retards follow a convo properly?
Is this a bot?
retard
its hilarious how the dorks defending this movie all say that no one understood it
as if it was some layered esoteric arthouse mindfuck
it was simple as fuck and terribly written there's nothing to 'get'
It’s funny how you retards have to say incorrect things like “he’s constantly messing up” to shit on a simple movie. Shit on it all you want, get the plot right at least. You sure you shouldn’t be in the graham hancock thread screaming about Atlantis instead?
I’m not the guy who said he was making things constantly go wrong for himself. I’m only taking issue with the suggestion that missing the shot in the opening was due to a random bystander getting in the way like she dropped from the sky when in fact she was literally standing in his line of sight when he spends forever talking about “anticipate” what can go wrong. No one whose ever shot is taking that shot if they don’t absolutely have to.
Pretty much though you're overlooking his reaction to his woman's loyalty and how they abused her for it.
He was a moron for not calling her to immediately get on a plane and meet him somewhere. Even the assassins sent to his house assumed he wouldn't be stupid enough to come back there
I'm pointing out that's likely what cracked him up. You don't wax poetic about nihilism and then have that happen without it feeling like a punch in the gut.
>Even the assassins sent to his house assumed he wouldn't be stupid enough to come back there
yet it was worth 150k and that was the sum total of their efforts on that part
not so clear cut as you say
But even that was part of the territory of the job. That was the whole point of Tilda Swinton pointing out to him that every now and then bystanders enter the equation and, unfortunately, have to be dealt with. They roughed up his girlfriend to get info on him. No different than him taking an innocent cab driver hostage to get info and then killing him. The reaction to his gf was just another example of his hypocrisy.
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people will argue about this movie for a long time. Fincher has done it again
I was not expecting him to get a happy ending.
I mean the film was so wildly uneven there was no telling wtf was going to happen from moment to moment
Is that a fucking drywall caddy? Who buys shit like that, just lean it against the wall like normal
Normal people don’t know these things.
why dont you retards understand the movie is just about the one time he messes up? it's clear he's had a long and successful career, and then after his mistake he cleans up all the loose ends expertly and efficiently
did you need a reddit montage of him performing other hits first?
>did you need a reddit montage of him performing other hits first
Wasn't the intro literally that?
it was and the irony is it was all downhill from there
Feigning not to understand is the latest shill tactic to bait people into explaining. It's great bait too because everyone here loves talking down to retards. Hurrr it's so simple why don't you understand?!
Fincher always hate absolute bangers. None of his movies are truly artistic but he knows have to make a compelling and engaging story with twists and turns and drama that truly give the audience what they want: quality popcorn thrills.
Or at least that's what he used to do. This is Finchers worst film.
he phoned it in, or wasn’t done fixing it, or some shit, but they needed content desperately and pushed it out. WTF was he thinking?
90% of the monologue was literal cliches to convey what the scenes were already showing visually. they literally just took away from the mood. it sounded like what a 20 year old who imagined himself being a hitman would say.
Fincher had a really awful screenwriter, not sure why he didn’t edit that script at all.
>not sure why he didn’t edit that script at all.
because he literally can't write
he's never written a single page and simply 'directs' other actually creative talented peoples hard work
I get that, but surely directors will see slop on the paper and go, “nah I’m not shooting that” and either omit it entirely or have a scriptjockey do a quick fix. Like the most egregious lines from the first 30 mins would have been so easy to simply cut out.
I kept thinking “it’s like John Wick 1 if they’d been more honest about the fact that John isn’t a good guy.”
Assassins aren’t good people. Normal people don’t fucking kill people as their job.
>but what if they lé did?
where does the "highly professional killer who works for contract through some super secret organizarion" trope come from?
irl killers for hire are mostly tweakers or lowlives who kill for 10k, or members of criminal organizations that don't freelance
It's a comic book adaptation for fuck's sake.
>kiddo
I'd bet you are a skinny fat low life millennial.
Gonna cry kiddo? Just admit you were being a fag before. I’ll allow you to continue to participate in this convo since you clearly want to put it in the past.
I’m sure the comic book nerd is actually a handsome chad irl.
I haven't actually read it but yes. Tall, white and dashing.
People in hollywood don’t know that.
Yes, he finds out he needs violence and murder. He is starting to enjoy it after years of doing it.