So how do you actually find/purchase indie comics?
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So how do you actually find/purchase indie comics?
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Who?
This reminds me of habits but it's not very gay or very dour despite most of the characters being losers.
>marge_killjoy.jpg
This is clearly talking about Habits but could also apply to MMO, both of which are fantastic, this dude is a b***h.
Did you ever stop to consider you're the b***h for getting so angry at a harmless joke?
I wouldn’t be angry if it was a joke, but jokes have a punchline.
This is just you having an opinion and me saying your opinion is wrong and as a result of that you are a b***h.
Lol literally me
frick every single one of these is unbelievably accurate, but these especially i see about a dozen of in just a quick scroll thru the art scene of any website ever
these are gripes ive been havin with shite indie comics for years and i didnt expect such a direct and accurate jab at them, especially the images
perfect
>i just read a comic about a Georgian lesbian living in a truck
anyone have any idea what this is? or did he just make it up?
Autobiography comics stopped being good in the 2000s.
The shit by Crumb, Pekar, Chester Brown, Art Spiegelman, and Eddie Campbell was pretty great.
My Lesbian Experience With Loneliness was good tho
Was it?
See, people who make comics about how fricked up they are? They are not ACTUALLY fricked up. Because if you have enough courage to make a comic about your own insecurities for the rest of the world to see, you must have a decent ego or a decent social bubble of support. The latter usually coincides with the fact that you're a woman.
I would never even dare to make or release a comic about my insecurities because I'd be too afraid of getting mocked, dismissed or just ignored.
What about my homie?
Literally a different time, plus he seemed pretty sociable and extraverted.
Ahh, Prison Pit
Loco Bandito energy.
I thought the same thing, clearly an Adult Swim cartoon is Mike's endgame
Any recs besides Johnny Ryan?
Josh Simmons
It's just shitty horror.
Boiled Angel
The Furry Trap
>implying manga isn't edgy
Weeaboo homosexual. Ballmastrz was better than any anime produced within the last 10 years (I say that as an anime fan). The Japanese forgot how to make good guro, all they do is ryona now. At least Johnny Ryan has creative scenarios. Weebshits always try to generalize even though anime is one of the most samey genres in recent memory
I don't remember any gore in Ballmastrz. There were a few scenes with mutilation but the blood was animated with goofy particle effects and it was played for laughs.
Any blood of any kind is edgy. Swearing is edgy. Girls with big breasts are edgy. Flashing colors are edgy.
based.
Did Youcis ever directly say she was sexually assaulted?
What exactly is this one even critiquing?
Have you never seen a zine before? There are a lot of zines that tend to just be fanworks, thus the sonic mention. Since Zines are the most indie of indie they can be exceptionally weird, nonsensical, or just random pictures (I'm sure I saw a zine of just photos of mailboxes, not even particularly interesting ones either).
>There are a lot of zines that tend to just be fanworks
Is this bad?
No? Depends on whether you think derivative work is bad I guess?
Either on the internet, or local events or conventions like your local art markets. If you have an arts school near you, they tend to make making a zine one of their assignments.
Where can I even find zines?
is the same as
Eh not really. Relatable comics use corporate, minimalist art styles and focus on things normies can relate to like student loans and dating. "I'm Fricked Up" use more sketchy and doodlelike art styles and are about made up stories about being "raped" 10 times, guilt about being a prostitute which is also framed as rape, and being confused about your sexual identity.
>vague sense in which the author has already sold out
This rings true especially for the types of people on Twitter that draw MS paint anime girls in pajamas looking at computer monitors.
>Tumblr banning porn was these guys 9/11
Nah, I'm pretty sure that was Trail of Tears to these guys instead.
Maybe even the Holocaust if I'm reaching.
Oglaf
That's mainly comedy, isn't it?
It's also always been free.
"Comedy"
Actually I would have said smut paddler, but I guess that shows this panel could be applied to a lot of shitty porn "artists" out there.
Also, while I wrote
>Write a name in a book and they die! FOR REAL! OoOoOoOoOoOH
and added extra sassyness to it, boiled down to the basics, death note really is is juvenile premise taken to a mature and pretty great extreme.
Meanwhile a robot from the future trying to kill a lineage or a dinosaur zoo where the animals escape still sort of manage to make it out of that childishness (the alien rape thing to me doesn't distil what alien is about). Maybe that's just my opinion though.
I honestly don't find the basic idea of "a book that kills anyone by writing their name" anymore juvenile than "killer time travelling robot" and I don't think what the death note does itself really distills what death note is about either. I think you'd have to atleast give lip service to Light's goal to say you gave a fair description of the premise, much like I'd say you'd have to give lip service to the reasoning of the Terminator and Kyle Reese to give the Terminator a fair description.
>give lip service to Light's goal to say you gave a fair description of the premise
Why? It's not important. Death Note is not about a conflict of ideology no matter how much brainlets try to pretend it is. It's just another shonen about really special high schoolers having a dick measuring contest. Any kind of meaningful discussion of morality or philosophy is thrown out of the window very early on.
It's Holmes vs. Moriarty
Yeah, except 5 times more obnoxious
>It's not important
It's very important, it's the only reason there's any actual conflict or why he keeps using the note. Leaving the premise as simply what the book does, gives no implication as to how it's actually used.
It's not some great philosophical debate as to why he uses it, I'm under the impression he's just egotistical psycho with typical angsty thoughts towards "justified targets" and he's given an object of absurd power.
You get really disillusioned with manga after reading western literature and realize literally everything just borrows good ideas from the classics.
Everything is a remix. Nothing is truly original. Quit being such a sad sack about it.
Damn, wait until you hear about mythology. You'll never enjoy anything again.
Yeah, like I said, it might be a personal opinion thing. Whether I write "Kid tries to take over world with killer book" or "book that kills those who's names are written in it", it seems like a silly childish premise. I've thought that about deathnote since the beginning. Where as premises such as "killer robot trying to kill family to change time" don't give me such an impression.
Anyway, my initial point is that you can have a very simple and childish premise, but with some good characters and a nice twist or two, you can polish that into something great. So enough with how mature you think terminator is, because really that only being pedantic.
>the alien rape thing to me doesn't distil what alien is about
It's a haunted house movie.
Why would an English-speaking person call a porn comic they drew "hentai"?
I don’t know this one
Patrick Kyle?
it's chris ware
>comics that are entirely text
Well he couldn’t be talking about Chris because he puts more effort into composition than dialogue. And he makes great use of color theory as well. This person is seething for no reason.
That looks cool, but how the hell am I supposed to read this? Where do I ever start
To be honest, indie comics don't really have the teeth they used to have.
Physically. That's a fold-out drawn on the cover, and it requires reading Jimmy Corrigan to understand it.
>indie comics don't really have the teeth they used to have.
Why do you think that is?
I think part of it is that, back in the day, only people interested in the medium of comics were trying their damnedest to publish their work. Maybe some of these had the talent but did not share the same vision as the editors at comics publishers at the time. And thanks to virtually no internet, a lot of the trash was forgotten, probably.
Nowadays, it seems like there's a lot of people that have no business making comics, because they cannot write or draw worth a shit. Maybe they are into the scene (e.g. Portland), or because the internet made it so easy. Autobiographical comics tend to get quite a bit of acclaim, even if mediocre, so that gets pumped out a lot.
Because the people with actually good ideas are rare
good ideas are exceedingly common. You can probably name hundreds of things you've read or watched that you were disappointed from because it had a good premise but the delivery was complete shit.
Real kino is stuff with potentially just really mid ideas excecuted so well it elevates them. And indie comics are the easiest medium to weed out bad execution. There's no way to hide bad storytelling with pretty art on a comic anymore, no one's impressed.
Hell, you can turn shit ideas into brilliant ones with enough polish. Take a look at Death Note; let's be real, it's got the most childish fricking premise
>Write a name in a book and they die! FOR REAL! OoOoOoOoOoOH
The addition of 2 geniuses doing mind games with each other was itself, genius.
I think he's talking more about those twitter/internet comic you see were people talk about their "depression", or whatever sad thoughts they have. Tend to be very cliched and feel like they're going more for sympathy points than making a good comic. I immediately thought of them when I saw that panel, so I think it's pretty spot on.
The Death Note itself is a simple premise, so it's not really bad or good in itself. It's the expanding of the premise that lets you know if it's a good idea or not. And from there executing it well.
Anything sounds like shit when you slather it in undercutting sarcasm.
>"Aliens that mouth rape you then regular rape you SpOOooOOOky"
>"Future Robot wants to kill your Mom. Shivers amirite?"
>"Dinosaur Zoo Soft Opening. RAWR"
It's clearly Oh Joy!Sex Toy and probably some of those slipshine pornos nobody read. Maybe Rock wieners.
OH THANK FRICK
Yeah, Slipshine was a horny bunch of soulless, parasitic freaks. Never cared to make it over the paywall.
Balst was great at least
Well, the political climate also makes it challenging to say anything too "edgy" without being labelled as a naughty boy.
If you genuinely want to make it in comics or have a career outside of them, it's best to not grab that kind of attention. It's amazing things have become more puritan than they were seemingly in the 50's-80's
Also, total agreement with the laziness the internet has sort of brought. Look at what Scott McCloud's 24-hr comic day has become:
It used to be a day where you challenged yourself to make 1 comic page every hour to make a full comic by the end of the day, script, drawing, inks and all!
Now? It's amazing if an "artist" can even be bothered to scribble out a single panel about what they were doing in that hour, whilst complaining about how hard the challenge is. Fricking pathetic.
Same thing is happening with inktober. It was a day where you're supposed to challenge yourself with traditional mediums again, on a strict schedule by finishing a piece a day, with a prompt to help you if need be.
So many ass holes watered it down and now say "you've done inktober" even if you didn't complete the challenge or even draw in traditional mediums... Then what was the fricking point?! Holy shit the "participation trophy" meme was real!
Got any bad examples of the 24 hour comic you mentioned?
Just take a look at the tag #hourlycomicday2022 on twitter or something. Actually doing a quick hunt for an example I was pleased to see some actually do try for the original challenge. But the vast majority do as the example and make scribbles of their hourly activities while complaining about having to do so.
That looks awful
Holy shit.
McCloud's 24 hour comic day is different from hourly comic day which you seem to be conflating. Hourly comic day is on Feb 1 and is focused on documenting a day hour by hour. 24 hour comic day is on Oct 1 and is focused on making a full comic like you described. They're different things.
Inktober had a lot of dumb shit going on which was antithetical to its purpose as a community driven exercise. People who get very uppity with this stuff also tend to miss the point of them.
I think one split-off from the other, and that the hourlies were a reaction 24-hr comic day, but maybe I'm wrong on that. I do seem to recall both being done at the same time to begin with though. I will stand by the fact that the hourlies tend to be made in an exceptionally lazy, and often whiny, way though. If you're doing the challenge, do the damn challenge, quite complaining or half assing it and expecting applause for the crumbs of effort.
Same with the inktober stuff.
>Where do I ever start
Wherever you want to- the aimlessness is an intended effect but there's enough inherent flow to the design that you should be compelled to keep looking it over.
I'm all for challenging the reader/viewer, but there's a difference between challenge and effort. Maybe it does a good job building up to the page and it's just intimidating out of context.
Did you not get that the last image is a rip on himself? He talks down on comics with more text than image, exactly what we're reading with his comic.
I don't think he's seething, he's just throwing shade at everyone, including himself, sorta like southpark.
And I could swear I know the artist he's talking about, he makes abstract comics about ants and birds... made this image... Whatever
I love Chris Ware, but his stuff is already a pain to find, not to mention difficult to read online.
Imagine being filtered this hard by Chris Ware, what a dumb nig-nog.
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I only played Indigo Prophecy and it was boring as shit.
>people here don't get the meta joke
look at it in thumbnail form then open it and read the last part
>the artist intended this to be read in thumbnail form first
What you're suggesting doesn't even work.
are you phone posting
This always read like it was made out of sheer pants shitting rage and jealousy. Like it's made by someone whose webcomic failed massively so they're just lashing out any anything they can.
I didn't know this many indie authors posted on Cinemaphile.
where else would artistically lacking, no money having, snowflakes post? Tumblr? boring and cringe. Reddit? dumb and cringe? Twitter? yes but because its just Cinemaphile where people know who you are and nothing gets deleted(sometimes to both of those).
What's funny is you can just as easily fit these "alright I'm going to drop the pretense of giving a shit or being respectable at all and am just going to go right for the throat b***hing about other people in the most meta way possible I'm so daring and brave yet aloof and don't give a shit I swear I'm not crying about my failed art career" comics into a box as any of the other ones.
Left can't meme
highly accurate and very succesful at buttblasting everyone itt
Based punisher.
Depending on how indie you want it you might as well go to a local con, the one time I went to an anime con it had like half a dozen people trying to sell their comic books and stuff related even though I live in a relatively small town (to the point where events in general usually go to neighboring bigger counties), I don't even remember the name of any of those books but surely some of them were good-ish.
Find webcomic you enjoy ->look at who they follow, they usually always follow other creators -> rinse and repeat until you have a full deck of webcomics
If you’re lucky they also have physical copies for sale. I’ve amassed a collection of 4 physical series this way. But a lot of times each individual book is ~$50. It gets expensive especially for ongoing series with dozens of chapters.
Search around to see if there are any conventions in your area. Generally indie conventions like to call themselves "expos" or "festivals" more than describing themselves as a "convention" but it's all the same in the end. Other useful keywords are "small press" or "alternative comics". Mainstream comics and anime conventions may also have an artists alley open to anyone.
Even if you don't have any local fare and don't want to travel across the country you can look up some of the major ones (scroll to the list of festivals at the bottom here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Press_Expo). Visit their websites and look up lists of attendees of past years. Then run searches on persons of interest to see if they have any web presence where they display or sell their work.
If gambling on individuals you know nothing about sounds too tedious, just focus on any publishers you see attending these shows. They're more likely to have web presence and generally have higher standards anyway.
Once you've found something you're into, you can revel in paying 50% more for a comic with worse production values than mainstream shit, no resale value and zero chance of having a conversation with other people. Congratulations!
I've been to a bunch of indie comic conventions and I always have really nice conversations with people. Most of the people there are thrilled to talk about their art if you jut ask them about it.
That's my experience too. Indie festivals are a lot more fun than mainstream conventions because people tend to be pretty chill and there's less nonsense events and paraphernalia. People are just there for actual comics.
I was talking in terms of print and binding quality, not art itself. Professional small publishers are generally pretty good but if someone's just throwing together their own minis you're usually looking at pretty basic stuff.
>with worse production values than mainstream shit
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Where does Megg, Mogg, and Owl fit in this? I feel like it's the first example, but not all the characters are a 100% the same and its actually funny
Doesn't it fit fairly well into the Queer Rats category? Maybe with a bit of Piss-Shit thrown in?
Is it bad that I immediately thought of MMO after reading the example? I love that comic like no tomorrow, but sometimes I feel like it's the "quirky earthbound" of comics
Nah, I wouldn't say the OP's comics are harsh criticisms, but rather funny observations about indie comic trends. It's funny because it's true, but not something a creator should be worried about having to avoid
Megg, Mogg, and Owl is hipster rats at its best. The best hipster rats can be. Even then it makes you feel like a dumpster at the bottom of a lake.
>find
/co/
>purchase
you don't
Anyone in this thread have a webcomic or comic idea that they'd want to see published? Next year I'm aiming to start a very small publishing company for indie comics. I'd love to get some anon's work in an anthology series.
> I'd love to get some anon's work in an anthology series.
Yeah, just generally what you're going to do. Just hawk a load of decent comics into a compilation, print for cheap as possible, sell for cheap as possible. The weekly manga model. What is it they charge? $5 for a phonebook of pages? Doubt that's really feasible starting up.
Maybe throw in some half decent cultural articles in there about things that would be relevant to your target audience (like video games critique, or movies, or thoughts on things going on, etc. Though don't touch politics for god's sake) to break things up a little.
You're actually spot on with what I was planning on doing. Something like Shonen Jump, sold cheap and printed cheap. It wouldn't be very profitable but I'd only be putting money that I'm willing to lose into it. I probably wouldn't do too many articles, but I'd leave info for people to send in their own comics they'd like published
What's your planned distribution going to be like?
I live near Austin, Texas and I have family near San Francisco. I'm gonna try and find some hipster shop to sell them in. They love indie shit in those cities. Aside from that, I'll also try and find a way to sell them online
I have a lot of big ideas, and I'm willing to push out a few of the shorter ones. I can draw, but not extremely well, and I can write, but not extremely well. Getting better. I need to grind hard on architecture, anatomy, choreography, and color, though I'm thinking of doing black and white.
Same. It takes so much time. This isn't the top priority in my life and it shows.
keep working on your art and writing. Maybe you'll be ready when I scour all of Cinemaphile for artists to publish one shots.
How long would the comic we're talking about have to be? I'm working on some stuff
I'd prefer it to be a self contained story. So a one shot. Preferably not too long cause it'd be in a magazine with several other stories. Probably no more than 50 pages max
Instead of asking on Cinemaphile, hit up a real webcomic artist and get invited to the big Discord.
I will also be asking real webcomic artists, but I want to give humble Cinemaphile a shot too. I'm gonna lost money on this passion project either way, so I want to at least give the anons of Cinemaphile a shot
Based if true. Got any socials I can add you on or at least an email?
I'm in the same boat. I need to work on my perspective, posing, and speed more than anything.
discord Caliphyum#3732. I'll make a server where people can post their work
Fantasy epic with sci-fi elements where the main couple is /ll/. I will make this, even if it's the last thing I do.
Have you actually drawn any of this?
Some concept art really. The plot is more or less completed, I know how it'll begin and how it'll end and a rough idea of what goes between those two points, though still lacking much in the way of substance. The setting is in a similar state. I have pinned down the main cast, at least mostly. It would probably take a fairly long time for to complete it, especially if I go solo on it.
Post concept art
I apologize, but it's pretty bad. I am at most, beg-mid.
>So how do you actually find/purchase indie comics?
Probably attend conventions, or see if the Instagram algorithm recommends you a comic artist.
Otherwise most people that do indie comics paywall everything they have, so it's hard to find stuff.
what is the western version of doujinshi and comiket?
... you mean like comic conventions (or any conventions really, they all tend to have an artists alley), art markets and indie comics & zines?
Unless comiket is very different from those in a way I don't know, they should be the equivalent of each other though.
with the same kind of history and attendance?
I would say the furry fandom, but furries have long since transcended the days of funny comic book zines. Most western fetish artists aren't self-published comic makers, but on the contrary Japanese fetish artists always classify themselves as part of a "doujin circle"
I guess this dangerous independent thinker's vision of what counts as good art came true now that everything on the internet is toothless pseudoanime crap. Congratulations to fricking Scott McCloud 2 over here, I wonder why he didn't include "obnoxious edgy trolls" in his masterpiece deconstruction of clichés. Yes, I'm mad.
I see these as more "playful jabs" at obvious cliches, rather than real harsh criticisms. It's not like this guy's work came out and every indie comic artist was then immediately neutered... that happened before he made this comic.
I don’t. Comics are for fricking losers.
Then why are you here? If the answer is cartoons or neither, I have bad news for you.
He's just here to spam bad Cinemaphile memes and jerk off to cartoon dicky
Who purchases anything here?
/shelf/ exists for a reason.
Read actually good comics.
Wrong board
You could actually make a similar series of images and cover most manga like these cover most indie. Certainly for the ones people are willing to talk about on Cinemaphile.
Who?
>go to my favourite site for downloadong cbz
>click on the small press sections
>see a number 1 or a ogn.
>download
If i like the number one then ill download it every month or whenever until a trade is available.
If i like the OGN i buy it.
If its digital only they can get fricked. I dont pay for 1s ans 0s.
>go to my favourite site for downloadong cbz
Such as?
Win-o archives.
The only one of these I have ever really seen are the zines thing, and that was just one dude putting together something small to show other comic creators at a convention. All of these are so narrow it's obvious the dude has some axe to grind with specific comics but vague enough you can't tell what the frick he's talking about.
I go on random comic threads then search around for them if I enjoy them, I don't use any socials yet this has worked for me and I've found and read a bunch of stuff I've liked here.
look up my fetishes on comic sites