So is the Empire;
>Utilitarian, modernist, bureaucratic, materialist, rationalist, scientific, atheistic, based off of British Empire and Nixon's America
or is it
>The culmination of Sith ideology, occultist, sadistic, wrathful, ritualistic, esoteric, traditionalist, based off of Crowley, Himmler SS occultism, Roman Empire cult of the Emperor
Because these feel like two very different depictions
And when you see the Empire that has things like Tarkin, the ISB in Andor, and Thrawn, it looks like the former
But when you see things like Palpatine, the Inquisitors, Nightsisters and Exegol it looks like the latter
This is even more confusing when you see Thrawn and Nightsisters working together
Both, it's when atheists and theists put their differences aside and do the ONE STRVGGLE for the Greater Good of Divine Mankind.
Galactic Human Manifest Destiny goes brrrr.
Atheists are just golems of the dark sorcerers anyhow.
Fag detected, fag detected.
if the sith are so into passion why were vader and sheev zero pusy
Perhaps they didn't want to disperse their passion through sex, but rather focus it on their work.
Besides, what are the odds Vader's benis survived the lava?
>He doesn't know about the girl who fell in love with Vader in canon
sheev fucked
vader had no dick
The rulers of the Empire
also the rulers of the Empire
Ironically: The Old Republic mmo actually does a decent job showing the clash between those two elements. Most of the agent storyline is spend dealing with internal conflict between the Imperial and Sith side.
In the very first movie, in like the very first 10 minutes, they acknowledge this schism within their leadership, they are both. Nazi Germany was both as well, blurring the lines between rationalism and spiritualism.
cont. The Emperor is clearly a spiritualist wielder of dark magic, but he sees the worth in his autocratic, rationalistic bureaucracy in maintaining his absolute rule. A fully spiritualistic governing/administrative body would be unruly and rebellious towards himself.
I don't see that worth. In fact I see it as a direct danger. If Palpatine's military-industrial complex of cold, rationalistic utilitarian officers discovered that the head of state was some dark magick practicing religious zealot wizard, it could easily pose a threat to his rule. Real-life historical military coups have taken place from the officer corps who see the head of state as an ideological risk to their regime.
If anything, his rule would probably be safer if he encouraged religious zealotry in his empire, to view him as a God Emperor, or to have him viewed as Chosen by the Force to rule, so he can rule as a divine leader
The power is in the hierarchy. They don't have to know anything about the Emperor, only his direct charges do, who then carry out his requests. The rationalistic don't understand him and that makes them fear him. Were they spiritualistic they might discover the Force and the path to enlightenment and his ruin.
The first movie is more of an example of early installation weirdness. The original concept was Darth Vader was the only sith left, a barely tolerated weirdo but a personal threat to Luke Skywalker, the Emperor an inefectual figurehead while the true Big Bad are Imperial men like Tarkin.
How can you claim that when everything about the other movies worked to fit that narrative? It isn't contradictory at all, it's what Lucas decided to go with. The Jedi were vanquished, the Force was disposed of, the Emperor + Vader sought to keep sole proprietorship of the power in order to keep their direct subordinates in line.
You got it backwards. The first film is what defined Star Wars and the original concept for it was very different. Lucas simply did not anticipate Vader becoming THAT popular. So he decided to give him a character and a potential path to redemption. That path to redemption is that he was corrupted by someone stronger than him. So he changed the Emperor from a weak figurehead to the source of evil because why would Vader vow to some weak bureaucrat? It also worked in favour of his other thematic conflict of Vader vs Luke's father which complicated the storyline too much. Vader was going to be redeemed and die in Return of the Jedi. Had Lucas decided to continue the saga at Return of the Jedi, the Emperor would have replaced Darth Vader entirely as the Big Bad.
Oh yeah, the original transcript was for the Emperor to be more of a figurehead that was controlled by the military-industrial complex, which seems more in line with Lucas's comparison of the Empire being the United States fighting the Viet Cong.
I mean SS was part of the 3rd Reich but was not the 3rd Reich.
Italian futurist
It's an outer circle of the former, protecting and hiding an inner circle of the latter.
It's these guys
>The culmination of Sith ideology, occultist, sadistic, wrathful, ritualistic, esoteric, traditionalist, based off of Crowley, Himmler SS occultism, Roman Empire cult of the Emperor
controlling these guys
>Utilitarian, modernist, bureaucratic, materialist, rationalist, scientific, atheistic, based off of British Empire and Nixon's America
the Empire is
>Utilitarian, modernist, bureaucratic, materialist, rationalist, scientific, atheistic, based off of British Empire and Nixon's America
the imperial high command (sidious and his entourage) is
>The culmination of Sith ideology, occultist, sadistic, wrathful, ritualistic, esoteric, traditionalist, based off of Crowley, Himmler SS occultism, Roman Empire cult of the Emperor
in the old canon (or maybe in the new too) regular population had no idea palpatine was a sith and even high ranking generals didn't believe in the force
it's like in third reich where regular soldiers and officers were just normies who got drafted and only selected few were into occult schizo shit
The original concept made more sense when the Jedi were a lot more secretive about their existence and easier to delete them from history.
the exoteric is for the plebs and the esoteric is for the elect
its not a contradiction but a function of hierarchy
It is clear that the Emperor was not even conceived to be as a Sith when Tarkin call Vader "the last of his kind".
Sheev felt the best path forward was in the shadows. He didn't want an army of sith fighting another army for power but just himself an an apprentice.
It would serve his design to propagandize the people that his ancient order was dead.
the fight for power between sith happens in the background but the empire continues and serves the victor
you know how globalists push their atheistic technocrat agenda and worship Satan at the same time? it's like that
Lucifer or Prometheus would be a better object of worship instead of Satan/Adversary.
but regardless an excellent comparison
>Lucifer or Prometheus would be a better object of worship instead of Satan/Adversary.
why?
because they seek to secure power that is not earned. they are a false light
they embody Prometheus rather than Hercules
The latter. It has never been the former I am not even sure where the fuck you got that idea. Zoomers don't watch the original Star Wars but will make threads about it lol
It's shit
It's both. The general population is fairly ambivalent toward the 'light' and 'dark' side of the force. In the case of a 'dark' side many have no idea at all. The Jedi were seen as powerful knights that mediated conflict because of their universally acknowledged wisdom along moral lines. The Clone Wars highlighted the fact that they also exist to maintain a lucrative status-quo even when it results in worse outcomes. The republic was reorganized into the empire fairly painlessly. The chancellor basically complete control already, but his main goal was to eliminate the Jedi. He managed to make it seem as though the Jedi had attempted a coup, which seemed likely at the time (The Jedi were after all Generals with their own detachments and it might have been possible to say there were grumblings about the progress of the war which led to them wanting to take over and make the Republic a fully militarized state. Also important to remember, the war was beginning to become unpopular in the Republic and I Imagine that people knew that the army of the republic was created at the behest of the Jedi, not actually by the chancellor or the senate)
One thing that makes little sense given the prequels is the way the emperor regresses from public life after Order 66. Maybe his deformity is an explanation for this, but he has no real reason to be a shadowy figure donning a hood. There's even evidence that he spends his day doing regular chancellor shit like passing legislation and the fact he justifies the continued arms growth on mopping up the CIS (even 20 years after the real end of the war) shows that he is still beholden to public opinion.
The Empire represents National Socialism. On the outside its just a different economic/ governance system. On the inside is a base founded on esoteric concepts of blood and soil, paganism etc. 'The sith' is not a governance style, it has a set of principles that underpin the beaurocracy.
>'The sith' is not a governance style
Are the ancient Sith Empires still canon?
These were entire civilisations and governments based entirely on a Sith worldview and Sith principles, not just an esoteric shadowy elite pulling the strings
How similar they were in practice to Palpatine's Empire, I don't know
and that empire ended in failure
clearly Sheev took that knowledge and devised a new way forward.
Retards in this thread actually discussing the original film like Lucas even had the idea of "Sith" in his brain in 1977. LOL.
Sith goes back to the notes Lucas had on A New Hope
>A New Hope
What's that? I don't know a film released in 1977 with that title.
the first mention is in the '76 novelization
The Special Edition of the novel?
the term goes back to the rough draft from '74
clearly its a term lucas had from the very beginning and i don't know why people are so hellbent on trying to destroy the man and his ideas.
>and i don't know why people are so hellbent on trying to destroy the man and his ideas.
He does a good enough job of that on his own.
We really need an /rlm/ board to contain fags like you.
He's fight though. You can't just put everything on Kathy or this supposed legion of /rlm/fags for ruining Star Wars, George is the one that chose to sell it out to begin with. If he'd exorcised a little more hate for the corporate machine and held in tighter to his life's work, nobody would be in this mess.
>the man and his ideas.
This is what was always intended to be in that scene, obviously
there's a deleted scene where vader is called a sith lord during the death star meeting with tarkin and the other imperial officers.
Lucas' interesting achievement is that he makes it sort of both and neither. But it's mainly inspired by the Nazis and the Roman Empire, albeit softened to fit into the fairy tale aesthetic. Thus we don't get into propaganda or any real political critique. Wherever it exists it's only as set dressing to add to the sense of immersion.
It can be weird how much he straddles the line between grounded political drama WW2/Vietnam analogy and then cartoony fairy tale for kids
Aesthetically you'll be watching German High Command 1942 officers and discussions about the end of democracy and regional governors and then they report directly to Ming the Merciless cackling and twirling his moustache so he can live forever
>It's a secret that the Emperor is an evil space wizard bro
outwardly it was top but secretly it was bottom.
no one knew palpatine was a sith lord.
See
Dialogue in front of hundreds of witnesses:
>Palpatine: Only together can we turn him [Luke] to the dark side of the Force.
>The Sith Grove, which I attend from time to time—it is the most faggy goddamned thing you could ever imagine, with that Naboo crowd. I can't shake hands with anybody from Naboo.
- Grand Moff Nixon, on his interactions with the secretive elite of the Empire
If Palpatine was just a normal politician and not a SITH LORD would the Jedi have just served the Empire?
Or does the ancient order of monastic spiritualist knights have a contract agreement where they have to uphold democratic norms?
>star wars secondaries
grim
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This is a good deep dive into SW answering your question. The simple answer is that although the Sith are all about power and passion their goals for more power ultimately lead not only to authoritarianism but also to sterility lifelesness. This is why Palpatine the most powerful Sith , is essentialy an energy vampire. The dark side can only grow by corrupting the force and thereby upsetting the balance. The galaxy being having a cold, sterile totalitarian state with no belief in the force and one guy as a result moving the strings through the force is the ultimate culminatio of Sith ideology.
Lucas was always about that, his first movie THX 1138 is essentially that vision.
I would have liked Andor if it didn't have lesbians in it
It's funny, it's such "small part" of the story, and it's not even poorly written at that, their relationship as far as I can tell has some level of nuance to it without diving into real-world politics
I don't even care about that
I didn't use to hate them, and it's not even that they're gay themselves, but gays have trained me very well to loathe their very existence
Their political agenda has become so insufferable that nothing less than total death of all homosexuals will satisfy me at this point, and even small exposure to them is tolerable in media
I guess you could say I have end-stage homosexual/dyke/tranny fatigue