So now that the Sequels have finished, we're all in agreement the Prequels were actually masterpieces we didn't deserve?
So now that the Sequels have finished, we're all in agreement the Prequels were actually masterpieces we didn't deserve?
So now that the Sequels have finished, we're all in agreement the Prequels were actually masterpieces we didn't deserve?
Fuck off George, the sequels somehow being even worse than these dumpster fires doesn't suddenly make them underrated kino
another Mace Windu poster. you were only allowed to join the Jedi council so they could meet their diversity quota. you will never be a real Jedi
kek. No George. They are still hot trash. No amount of gaslighting will convince me otherwise.
fpbp
Millennials should be banned on here. Contribute nothing, cry about everything.
stay butthurt
See? Nothing but crying from you.
Yes. My disgust = tantrums from you. What are you going to do about it, homosexual?
I'll laught about your miserable existence, memellennial. You're a child in a middle-aged "man's" body.
Goooood, Good. I can feel the REEEEE flow through you.
Get lost. You're not funny or smart. You're not contributing anything. No one wants you here.
>masterpieces
And how old are you, little man? Look at you, making your first post!
Hey Disney cuck, Straight mostly white middle aged men bought the prequel merchandise and did so happily! Until Disney took over of course.
and all of this started because of this fucking piece of shit movie. Xoomers need to be lined up against the wall for thinking this shit was ever good.
Fpbp
Merchandise made billions! Stay mad!
That was epic and exciting all at once!
fpbp
>hurrr durr its like about, uhh weimar germany and uhhh paradise lost its like poetry it rhymes
star wars is fundamentally and intrinsically worthless reddit trash
Yup.
Not even being a contrarian, even if the sequels didn't exist the prequels have aged like a fine wine. I couldn't believe how good most of Revenge of the Sith was when I caught it on TV the other day. So inventive visually. They are extremely flawed though because they are a product of Lucas's boomer mind. He is a true visionary though. With how much people suck off James Cameron you think they could agree that Lucas has the magic touch as well
Brief flashes of brilliance amid an absolute torrent of piss and shit.
Original star wars was a fluke.
Frankly this is Star Wars in a nutshell - I honestly can't think of any IP with a worse ratio of good material versus absolute dogshit. Its an IP that entirerly lives on nostalgia and what trailblazers the original films were
Its basically Zombie Simpsons but in Sci-fi form
Imagine “Soul” is the X axis and “technically proficient” is the Y axis. Proficiency includes screenwriting, editing, everything. Prequels are like a 9-6… sequels are a 3-6
>masterpieces we didn't deserve?
bullshit, the first ones are THAT
Prequels are still merely adequate
watch the RLM reviews
>watch irrelevant fucks to get why my opinion is true
Prequels suck but cmon man, this is embarrassing.
Awful fucking films. Horribly written, horribly directed. CGI vomit below standards of most retarded kids films. Fuck your Star Wars. Grow up, let go of your toys and start watching movies appropriate for your age.
>movies appropriate for your age
Recommend some.
All mainline Star Wars films are shit including OT and Prequels. The only good SW film is Rogue One
>Rogue One
A middling film for middling people.
All mainline SW films are for lower-brow audience. Rogue One is for mid-brow. Thus in a world of blind people the one-eyed man is king.
Nah, you're just a midwit, bro. Unappreciative of a white man's autism.
Prequel and OT merchandise made billions! Seethe Disney cuck
>Lego darth maul set
>young obiwan books at the scholastic book fair
>prime padme
>that game where you drove around a separatist or republic tank
>duel of the fates
Sorry losers, prequels were certified kino
late 90’s legos were so fucking cool
I remember going to Walmart one day with my dad and we randomly walked in during a Lego promotion where kids got to build a lightsaber and have it judged to get a prize. Idk how tf he knew but my dad realized at one point they probably wouldn’t actually be judging them and told my brother to just put pieces on and make it big since they would have to judge by an objective metric. He won all this SW stuff like a OST CD, some movies, a bunch of Lego sets, etc. it was cool as fuck, and since we shared all our legos at that point I got half
Yes, the prequels are based kino and I'm tired of pretending they are not!!
>1 sucked
>2 was good
>3 was great
there, we can all move on now
All three are garbage. 3 is the least garbage but it's still a badly written and poorly directed film.
Loser mentality. Sucks to be you.
YOU'RE A LOSER BECAUSE I CONSOOM MORE MEDIA THAN YOU!!!
>more media
Just better. Your posting style sucks big time btw.
You’re a loser because you just bitch and complain and give an opinion you’re repeating from someone else.
>the story was bad
>the writing was bad
>the cinematography was bad
Is the critique of someone doesn’t understand art and can’t conceptualize their thoughts
>It's le art because..it just is, okay???
Fuck off, shill.
Let's be honest here, big guy. You know nothing about art. You're practically illiterate.
>no argument
Run out of points on your script, shill?
Your opinion is irrelevant because you have no tools to discern whether something is good or bad. Simple as.
>still no argument
Clearly Disney isn't sending its best.
>Disney
The same Disney that ignored all Prequel content? Get lost, midwit. Prequels are pure George.
You're retarded.
Still here, midwit? Are you a masochist or something?
>Well obviously you're a midwit for saying Disney wants to promote its own IP
Two shekels have been deposited into your account
>Disney
This is about a white man's dream, not about a corporation that raped his creation, you dull person.
George raped his own creation and willingly sold the remains to Disney, who then paid shills like you to defend what he shat out to build hype for all the new shit. It's not complicated.
The Prequels made Star Wars. Before them it was a dull spectacle, a space fairy tale. He turned it into a space opera but smallbrains like you couldn't handle it.
Uh huh. A sophisticated space opera for MENSA members featuring a space rabbit that steps in poopie. Brilliant.
>name dropping MENSA
Lmao. Can you get any more pathetic?
>No argument
The purpose of Jar Jar is both entertaining the kids in a mostly non-kid movie and being subjected to Qui-Gon's reprimands to showcase his firm hand, which would have been key raising Anakin. It's not that hard, midwit.
All true, I just wish they had cut the part about Jar Jar in the senate. I know he probably didn’t want to just create a new character, but I think it would’ve been better if Padme had started the vote to give palp the emergency powers, OR just made a new character do it. It would’ve done more to show how people can get caught up in fervor and lead to state overreach and evil. Perhaps padme starts the vote so he can send the army to save anakin or obiwan.. and then later starts to realize something is wrong. Her immediate “and this is how democracy dies” seemed a little too on the nose and captain hindsighty. Although I admit it was there to explain what was happening to the kids.. it could’ve been done another way
Well, Padme was against the emergency powers, is why she had to be removed (one way or the other). Jar Jar was the gullible fool and a terrible replacement for her though a welcome one for Palps.
True, I’m just saying they could have had her in a place where she knew it was a bad idea, but went against her judgement to send the army and save anakin or obiwan, and then immediately realized how bad she fucked up. A different character would have been better maybe as well. I just disliked the senator Jar Jar stuff, he was fine in phantom menace but giving him that role was a little too absurd imo. Maybe they could have used the fat king Naboo guy from phantom menace.
It was in line with his earlier foolery and it happend in a democracy (which are inherently stupid).
It’s a blockbuster franchise product. But it’s still art. The same way designing the logo for McDonald’s is art.
You clearly don’t understand it though, you’re only capable of saying “thing was bad!” “Sub part 1 of thing was bad!”
>model T
>Toyota Camry
>pickup truck
>which is the better vehicle
Well obviously it matters what the vehicle is designed to do, when it was made, and how well it succeeded/innovated on its goals. If I were a fucking retard I could just keep saying “model T is bad! Model T is bad! It doesn’t haul as much as a pickup truck”
The Prequels couldn't even meet their own goal of giving us a good, well written origin story for the events leading up to the OT. They failed.
>they’re bad
>because they couldn’t meet their goal of being good
Jesus Christ anon are you okay? Are you one of these people I hear about that never had an internet monologue? Are you real? Lol
are you dense? You go on with this Reddit-esque "oh, well, they were designed to suck so you can't say they suck" and think you can criticize me when I say outright that they suck? Jesus. Fuckin midwits these days...
>no u
Yeah, you should really head back there.
>no u
Your posting style is ugly. I bet you're ugly also.
>they were designed to suck
I must be getting trolled here, you can’t honestly think that’s my point. If you’re a teenager look up how analyze art, and if you’re a an adult… good luck
again with this assertion of
>it's art because it just is
Your point was that I apparently can't criticize things if they serve their function, to which I replied the Prequels didn't. They don't entertain, they don't compel, they don't add anything to the OT. Understand? To critique does not mean to find excuses for.
Oh dude, you got me. I'm gonna go cry now.
>oh well-well the poopie is actually le deep or something
and you fags are the ones calling me a midwit, lol.
Get lost, midwit. You're illiterate.
You're a homosexual shill. There is nothing artistic about the corporate slop Gorge shat out 20 years ago.
Wow dude that's ebin. I will now give Disney my money.
Please don't. Just remove yourself from conversations you can't handle.
Why? You love Disney's IP, so clearly I should support it, eh?
Jesus, anon, I'm not going to start off with an ebin 2 hour Youtube essay every time you ask me for my opinion on the Prequels. Statements such as "x sucks" or "y was great" are called exposition, and from this we get more specific in conversation. Statements like these start conversation by presenting opinions in their most general form. and no shit I can't hold Paw Patrol to the same standards as Citizen Kane. But by what metrics are the Prequels good?
Log off, midwit.
>No argument
>Logging off of Cinemaphile
You new here, shill?
You're nothing but a nuisance. Infest a different space.
I'm sorry for disrupting your shill campaign.
You're delusional. Seek help. Log off.
You’ve written sooo many replies in this thread… where multiple people are actually discussing them… yet you only ever reply to the meta conversation seething about “bad” thing bad. Why is that? If you’re able to parlay your thoughts into observation then do it. I’m not hopeful though
The vast majority of (You)s I've gotten in this thread are non-arguments and have given me nothing to discuss, anon. Why should I put in effort in replying to what is likely to be bait?
>I threw shit and someone else threw it back why should I stop wallowing in shit?
Bro I just thought you were dumb at first, now I’m starting to think you’re kind of pathetic as well. Why? Are you trying to le epic troll to get attention or something?
>Dude you like, have to write twenty paragraphs in response to a troll on a Mongolian basket weaving forum explaining with my School of Reddit Subjective Yardstick Critique System (TM) about the Prequels or something
You know what? Fuck that. The Prequels sucked and that's all I'm gonna say.
It’s not a subjective system. It’s how you analyze and discuss film in any normal environment. You ever discuss a movie with a friend and all you say is “it was bad”? They don’t exactly want to talk to you for more than a few seconds about that film
>Reddit!
>so Reddit!
>no you are Reddit!
Just so you know, Reddit would be doing exactly what you are trying to do here
>prequels sucked
>you don’t like sand
>haha member sand, prequels sucked
>they weren’t they bad
>downvoted, they WERE bad. End of
The "sand" line is pretty good in context. It comes after Padme tells Anakin about how she went to that dreamy place on Naboo during her childhood and how they dried off in the sand after bathing and Anakin tells her how he hates sand and all that and then tells Padme (who knows about his upbringing as a slave on Tatooine) that he likes the time he spends with her at that place on Naboo and then starts carressing her skin and getting her to kiss him.
He does a lot of that pitying stuff throughout the movie.
Later, when they bury his mother, he kneels down in the sand and squeezes some in his hand, right after a scene where he talks about wanting to become stronger.
Anakins character was one of the best parts of the prequel in my opinion. “Sand” was a little clunky but I agree 90% of why people think it’s bad is because they’re repeating someone else’s impression and meme. I think it’s fundamental to enjoying Anakins character in the prequels to realize he never developed past the age of like 12 or 13. He might have the thoughts and skills of an adult or late teen, but emotionally he still has acne. It completely explains everything in his character and relationship with padme, the pity baiting, the obsession, the mercurial emotions, etc.
if his character failed I think it was because he played up that reality too obviously, and people picked up on it but didn’t understand where it was coming from. I wouldn’t be surprised if George’s direction was something like “you’re a slave boy, you have 1 friend and no support, and you’re emotionally a seventh grader without a parent”
They also could have don’t more with this by showing us the bond/relationship between him and Obiwan, who was trying to fill Quigons shoes and be a father to anakin.. but was really just a big brother (which is what we see when obiwan let’s his guard down) leading to Anakin being even more fucked up.
anakin was fine, the lovey dovey scenes were too much tho, lucas should have replaced it with more obi-wan and anakin build up
Yea, that’s pretty much why people love the CW shows where Obiwan and Anakins relationship is the central component. That relationship is essential to both characters, they don’t really exist at the same depth without it
Shame Ahsoka doesn't fit the bill, Anakin feels off compared to the movies, there's way too much filler and the brain chip stuff is straight up retarded as well.
Is that the new show? I haven’t watched it. I tried watching the mando but just couldn’t get into it
Was talking TCW. Genndy Wars is fine. The new shows are all trash.
Revenge of the sith was literally georges crying about the iraq war and Bush.
"if you arent with me, then you are my enemy" is also a verbtaim quote from Bush -- "youre either with us or with the terrorists"
https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2001-09-21-14-bush-66411197/549664.html
Iraq war is a good thing to be against
Am I supposed to be angry about that? I'm not in favor of the wars in ME.
Unironically it is art just because it is
is an art analysis. You see the difference?
>the film was trying to do X in its themes and story
>it tried to accomplish that with Y but that didn’t work because Z
And then you can add what you think might have worked better. That is how you discuss tv and film, or any art for that matter, because it’s something to engage with. No one gives a single fuck you thought the writing was “bad” if that’s the extent of your opinion. The “what is was designed to do” part is just the yardstick by which we measure art during discussion. If someone tries to make a kids cartoon and it helps them learn their ABCs while keeping the kid entertained and maybe sparks their imagination a little… then that’s a great kids show. The creator has succeeded in what they’re trying to do. No one gives a fuck if some 30 year old fat ass wants to keep saying paw patrol is “bad” because the story was “bad”. You get it now?
CG pear
the prequels were all masterpieces. They are better than the original trilogy besides empire strikes back
amazing scene. Episode 1 was amazing. Only episode 2 and 3 were better.
Boomers just seethe about the midichlorian scene
that soundtrack
Greatest saber duels of all time!!! Goose Bumps!!!!!
It was lazily told but thematically brilliant!
Nonsense, the saber duels in the ot sucked! Prequel duels rocked!
>the saber duels in the ot sucked! Prequel duels rocked!
simpler is always better, how can you say the epileptic spinning in the prequels is better than the duel in rotj
>how can you say the epileptic spinning in the prequels is better than the duel in rotj
Simple.
that duel went on for too long, the scenery changed like ten times, meanwhile this masterpiece all happened within 10 meters of palpatine
>simple is always better
Not when it’s simpler only due to limits of technology. OT jedis/sith are somehow able to track laser shots with force powers but look like drunk dudes swinging baseball bats during the sword fights
When you look at the plot points on paper it's fucking astounding how good it is as a slow burn political drama but virtually every single part of how the movie trilogy was actually put to film it's reduced to an awkward and mediocre series of films that while having a lot of good ideas never really deliver on any of them. Not to mention the fact that the story was intentionally dumbed down to sell merch but that was a problem that started all the way back on movie 3 of the original trilogy.
>When you look at the plot points on paper it's fucking astounding how good it is as a slow burn political drama
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they were mediocre but had soul, some scenes were over the top in terms of writing and cgi, the lightsaber battles were too fast and flashy, way inferior to the one in esb or rotj, but compared to the sequels they are obviously masterpieces
Yes.
The prequels were garbage 3/10 movies.
No one likes 7-9. 1-6 or fuck off!
Hijacking this thread since nobody replied to my american graffiti thread yesterday and we are talking about George lucas. I liked it it was very good movie and I respect Lucas a lot
I should really watch that
It’s mega kino. I’m surprised Cinemaphile doesn’t talk about it more considering how the guy with the yellow car spends most of the movie. When you watch it you will understand
For me, I've been meaning to get around to THX1138. They have it on archive.org and I need to get around to seeing it before Disney notices and pulls it down.
The prequels are pretty fucking, bad but in an entertaining way.
Disney shit is just forgettably bad which is way worse.
Star Wars should have been a one-off movie
Return of the Jedi has an amazing finale. Empire strikes back was a good middle part. I love Star Wars and jt just wouldn’t be the same as one movie. I used to watch the last half hour of Jedi everyday as a kid
>Return of the Jedi
I'm still of the opinion that Luke failed throwing his lightsaber away and that the ending is a eucatastrophe.
That’s a very interesting reading
The scene in Rise of Skywalker where Rey rejects Palpatine and channels the spirit of the Jedi to overcome him would have been something that could've well taken place in RotJ had Luke not thrown his Lightsaber away and faced Palpatine after overcoming his moment of temptation and moving away from the wounded Vader.
That being said, the "sequels" are obviously not canon, but Terrio is a pretty good writer, so RotS has its moments.
*TRoS
I haven’t seen that movie so i can’t agree with you and I wouldn’t consider what happens in the sequels anyway
The last Jedi had several actually good ideas, which is more than can be said for the JJ movies. And I liked rogue one. The rest is pretty accurate.
The Last Jedi is kino.
Reyfag!
Rey being an orphan girl needy for attention from a boy and secretly hoping he likes her back was the only compelling thing about her character.
Other good ideas from TLJ include:
>putting that fag snoke out of commission and making kylo step up and be the villian
>rey and kylos angsty teenage attraction and the push-pull there
>they didn’t pull it off but they realized Finn and the other characters needed a plot that wasn’t just about running behind Rey
>ripping off the bandaid and getting rid of the OT chatacters from the central plot, Luke Han Leia always needed to just be mentors so the new characters could shine, but JJ fucked it by making the first movie completely an OT redo but NOT the send off for the OT group
>Hux developed more as having his own motivation and faction inside the new order
There were a few other ideas that would good, just didn’t pull them off. I can’t think of much JJ even tried to do that I liked the concept of
Yes.
>The last Jedi had several actually good ideas, which is more than can be said for the JJ movies.
I don't disagree at all actually. And I liked Rogue One on my first viewing, but its a slog on rewatch imo, so that kinda affected my opinion.
TRoS > TLJ > TFA
TFA is the absolute worst, the most soulless movie ever made and notably penned by Kasdan. Rian is a manchild surrounded by a lot of bad people, so it's no wonder his movie was also fucked up. TRoS had to do like 2.5 movies in one but at least there they had a great writer with Terrio, so there is some good stuff in there.
All 3 are equally shit, 1-6 forever!
Generally agree. "Sequels" are not Star Wars.
Also, thanks for the nice pepe, fren.
1-6 S tier, 7-9 and future belong in F (which should be renamed to AIDS!)
The sequels are better, they have better acting and writing.
The only flaws in the prequels is that 2 and 3 weren't done on film instead of digital
Also terrible acting, clunky dialogues and poor special effects.
The dialogue is fine
100% agree. 1 actually has a very nice aesthetic, due to in no small part being shot in film.
Prove it
No. If you can't see it, that is on you.
Star israelites.
Chud wars.
>Chud
The Revenge of the chuds.
>chuds
Are You a mexican neckbeard ?
>AOTC was filmed in 2000, yet seemed to predict Colin Powell's Iraq speech to the UN three years before it happened
What did George mean by this? Was he a prophet?
sometimes things just rhyme