If it was possible to redeem demons, wouldn't Charlie herself have already been poofed out of hell? She's like the only decent person around. Is Alastor right in that her ideals are a clown show?
So what is her endgame?
If it was possible to redeem demons, wouldn't Charlie herself have already been poofed out of hell? She's like the only decent person around. Is Alastor right in that her ideals are a clown show?
I don't think "redemption" applies to Hellspawn but if it could then She and Moxxie could get into Heaven pretty easily
The twist is they want to stay in Hell, to help people or not leave behind their loved ones, that's why they don't ascend
This is kind of the point of issue I'm stuck on. Is she just trying to make hell less shitty, or does she actually think she can get people out of their via proper redemption.
I'm sure she THINKS it can
But the real twist will be "le heaven is the actual bad place" and she'll learn to check her privilege and not try to get murderers, rapists, and prostitutes to change their behavior
I foresee this being the case tbh
We already know that to be the case as heaven sent 3 angels to guard a guy who experimented on human beings and committed other atrocities.
There was context tho. They were trying to get him to repent before his death. Scrooge style.
Fair enough, I guess.
Do helluva boss and hazbin hotel share the same universe?
She wishes, legally they don't.
Yes they do
They do
People like Moxxie and Charlie are qualified but in Charlie’s case she’d be a target by hat father as her getting into heaven would be the greatest insult to him
Like Stalin’s son living in America and becoming an entrepreneur, satan would undermine his daughter into making her as twisted as him but Viv is a hack and decided to make satan a misunderstood bad boy even though that’s his bullshit facade in real life to attract dummies for him to burn so it’s working
>That's his real life facade
lol wat
In biblical terms "Satan" is essentially an assigned prosecutor making a case to God that humans suck
Satan and Lucifer and the Snake are not interchangeable
In Biblical terms, Satan, Lucifer, and the serpent ARE interchangeable
Don't use correct terminology/arguments for american bible belt christians, it'll just confuse them.
In this case, anon is stating basic Christian doctrine since the beginning, across all time. Satan, Lucifer, and the serpent in the garden are the same entity. The idea that they might possibly NOT be the same entity is a very recent proposal by Biblical scholars
In original old testament judaism the Serpent and Satan were in no way shape or form meant to be the same being.
That is a proposal by modern scholarship, it is not the historical Christian belief. It’s not even a israeli belief, to my knowledge. Some historians believe ancients israelites may have believed the serpent and Satan to be different entities. Fine, maybe they did. However, Christians have always believed, and it is even written in the book of Revelation (12:9) that the serpent in the garden is Satan. It is in Christian scripture, it is in the writings of the church fathers, it is the lens through which Christian’s have always interpreted the story of Genesis
It's not a belief of modern scholarship, it's a basic understanding of Hebrew
Satan is not a name
Actually, it is a name in Hebrew. Christians believe that it refers to the serpent in the garden
And the antichrist is actually plural not singular.
And there is no Pestilence, the white rider is conquest.
Anon, she has a girlfriend. Heaven would never let her in. And Moxxie kills people for money.
People keeping forgetting that Moxxie willingly joined an assassination company and has killed dozens of people who weren't targets without batting an eye.
He's nice, not good.
Its seems possible but Charlie is being completely moronic or doesn't know any way to contact or interact with haven to arrange anything.
She should that shit but the story needs to exist.
Charlie is low iq
True. anyway, would the show be better if the premise was about making hell less shit?
I feel like it would be more sensible if Lucifer was actually mad that his daughter was working to undercut his kingdom lol. Unless he keeps the sin flowing he's ruler of nothing, and as we know from Paradise Lost, he shouod br a very better to Reign in Hell, etc type guy.
It's all just very weird. Hell has a hierarchy from what we see, but you can also just run around dropping nukes and lasers at random demons and nobody rlly cares. Charlie trying to turn Hell into more of a Lawful Evil place is probably the best she could probably aim for imo
Yeah, it would be ironic for Charlie, who would either be death or sin if we are using more paradise lost, did her best to make hell into a less miserable place despite her own nature.
As for the infrastructure and shit I doubt anyone cares as they will respawn if they die and odds are they can just conjure stuff from thin air.
>I feel like it would be more sensible if Lucifer was actually mad that his daughter was working to undercut his kingdom lol.
I was thinking of making a webcomic where Lucifer would be an antagonist to Charlie by using his influence to orchestrate problems for Charlie’s hotel where she would have to make moral compromises and drive her into accepting cruelty.
Also why doesn't she actually look like a demon? She just looks like some girl. Could have at least given her some horns or something. Could have still done that and be cute
Maybe they need redemption so that Angels/God don't kill them from supposed overpopulation?
Just like Earth it's the system and people in power who make existence awful.
After reading about the character leaks, Alastor is right.
I mean, she’s Princess of Hell. I don’t think she’s trying to get to Heaven, she’s just trying to get other people out of Hell to curb the overpopulation. As for why she’s doing it, it’s because she is naive, she doesn’t understand that the point of Hell is the death and misery. This is why everyone else looks at her ideals as a joke. She’s basically violating unspoken rules because she doesn’t understand them, that’s how I interpreted it. “Overpopulation” is just an excuse for slaughter, but she thinks overpopulation is a legit problem, so she’s trying to find a kinder way to do it
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I find it kind of weird that you can die after being sent to hell. Wouldn't being killed by the death angels for good technically be a mercy? Your just poofing into the void atheist style probably. No more hell. Being able to get offed and escape through a second death seems kind of to break the point of Hell. Although I suppose oblivion is it's own terror and all, but at least you aren't having to wallow in your misery.
My guess is death isn’t permanent, as it’s the only way to make sense of all of this. Being “dead” is a temporary state worse than Hell, which is why everyone in Hell would rather be alive than dead. Also, it means these slaughters are a temporary solution to the overpopulation problem, giving Charlie more of an incentive to find alternatives
>My guess is death isn’t permanent
it isn't. they just get remade and air dropped into hell again.
Sounds extremely painful
yes, that is kind of the point.
>Also why doesn't she actually look like a demon?
She masks her true form but then again it is not really all that wild.
agreed.
For you
>it isn't. they just get remade and air dropped into hell again.
then what's the point of the purge if death isn't permanent? i guess you could argue that's the point of hell, to eternally struggle to remain alive but then why feel sorry for them? why try to get them into heaven?
>Wouldn't Charlie have already been poofed out of hell
Technically she's hellborn. The redemption thing is for humans sent to Hell and maybe Lucifer since he's a fallen angel.
>Is Alastor right in that her ideals are a clown show
Pretty sure someone is going to get "redeemed" either as part of a farce or while performing a genuine act. They'll serve as a small POV of what is going on heaven side and introduce the major players over there. Then they might either try getting back to Hell or get turned into a kill angel.
Based on the supposed leaked stuff, Heaven is probably going to be similar to Hell in that there are good high ranking folk there, but some other equally high ranking frickwads are ruining shit for everybody.
It seems to be based off Christian mythology, so it would make sense that Heaven is unjust and tyrannical.
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Anon, you can't deny it. The entire religion is based around unquestioning submission to a greater power, regardless of how irrational that power is.
Ok reddit
Never ask questions, anon. Otherwise God will know of your naughty thoughts and damn you to Hell. If you want into Heaven, you best grovel and beg for forgiveness because you know you're unworthy, but you'll beg for it anyways like a good boy. On your knees to please.
Aight reddit
lmao you replied lightning quick
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Eh, that's more Gnosticism. In "Canon" canon christianity, Heaven is a great place.
The problem here is that Lucifer has an EXCESS of subjects, to the point he has to let them get killed off to keep his "kingdom" running.
As such, its like saying that a resteraunt would get angry at its staff for throwing out excess food at the end of the night: No, because that's useless and getting in the way.
He has way more souls than he needs.
Nah, Fallen angel "demons" and damned souls are different.
Charlie is targeting humans who die, not demons.
Heaven or Hell having native ecologies is way more interesting to me than the moronic sinners, I think that's why HB has had more success actually getting MADE
Helluva boss gets by on furry porn of luna and you know it.
That's not technically in conflict with what I'm saying
A hellborn punk dog is a more inviting waifu than vaggie for having similar supporting roles in their shows
i remember her looking better
Charlie was born in Hell; she wasn’t sent there, you moron.