So... Why did DC never make a Wonder Woman cartoon?

So... Why did DC never make a Wonder Woman cartoon? Shouldn't she have been part of the BIG3 along with Superman and Batman?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cuz girls are GROSS!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically this is the answer. Every other answer in this thread will say this without saying it exactly. She's a girl and she's not *really* popular enough with our usual demographic (cause she's a girl). She's a girl, so feminists will be on our ass if she's dressed skimpy or written badly. She's a girl and men will get mad if she's not sexy enough and too misandrist. Let's have the 55th batman cartoon instead because that's easy! No one knows any wonder woman villains anyways (because how the frick would anyone know her roster when she's never had a solo cartoon to begin with?)

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because even Superman struggled to keep a solo flow afloat, there's just not enough to do with her.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. You would have to make it an ensemble cast to make it work and at that point, it would end up being another Justice League show.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Batman?
      >Superman?
      >My side kicks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Stay mad.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In a way SHG IS Wonder Woman's show: not only she gets the biggest presentation at the start of the series, she keeps getting the spotlight the first season with the fish out of the water shtick

      >But the other characters

      If anything it makes sense a girl's show has more focus on relationship dynamics, and the Brave and the Bold had lots of characters starring an episode or two w/Batman anyway

      Also this

      We totally deserve another WW series of course

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Thing is, Brave and the Bold was just an attempt to make a unique Batman show after having already had 2 more standart Batman shows.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    she already got a live action show that was probably popular since my zoomer ass remember seeing it at a young age

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They should give Wonder Woman hairy armpits and a visible bush. This would attract more people.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wonder woman is a c-lister in reality, the only reason she's part of the trinity is because DC said so. otherwise it would be a superman-batman duo.
    which is a shame because she has some good villains.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The only villain with any real potential as a league threat is Circe.
      And she's not used because realistically speaking WW can't do shit to her

      Then there's Cheetah and she's canon HOTTER then WW and conceptually speaking would make a better heroine then WW
      In an alternate timeline I can actually see Cheetah being a carmen sandiego/indiana jones tier heroine who was cursed by some ancient god to have cheetah powers and feline abilities.
      And the amazons being a feminist lesbian cult that worships hippolyta with one inheriting the title of the "Wonder Woman". A quasi nazi/satanic demigoddess with super strength speed and a lasso of domination.

      Then there is the super evolved gorilla that changes height... the midget sexpest..and....random loser god and....penis
      That's her villains gallery.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In an alternate timeline I can actually see Cheetah being a carmen sandiego/indiana jones tier heroine
        well i think the deal with cheetah is that she's not that. she's more Rene Belloq. an archaeologist with no scruples in it for personal gain, who only got cheetah powers because she fricked around and found out.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I like Wonder Woman having weird villains

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick you! Give me racist Egg-Fu over any of those other shitters!

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Big 3
    Lol what? She’s never had longterm popularity at DC. Back then, I remember characters like Storm having more impact.
    She’s there because she’s a woman not because she’s a good character.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "back then" when? and storm clearly has had no longterm popularity either

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. Wonder Woman is the Amy Rose of DC: just The Girl™ for decades, until suddenly wokeist turbo-centrist feminism gets popular, and now they portray her as this fundamental pillar of the brand she never was before but if you claim she wasn't, you're wrong and sexist

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They don't think a girl can handle a whole show so they stick them all in a group

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I liked her here, but I thought Supergirl was a bit better. Also I like how she had limits and was quite weak. She could easily be a good captain America counterpart similar to the movies.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        she was almost as strong as super girl in the show. she is not weak.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That’s because they had the other girls constantly job to make Diana look good. Kara, Jess and Zee were all much stronger than her. And that’s not even getting into the broken shit Barry can pull off in this show

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And this is why DC will never have decent female characters. They all have to job to some perverts feminist/lesbian/bondage child propoganda wrapped in an improbable american flag onesie.

            And why do all of DCs mainstream heroines have to both be lesbians and spout tired feminist diatribes?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They all have to job to some perverts feminist/lesbian/bondage child propoganda wrapped in an improbable american flag onesie.
              She has been getting her ass beat nonstop in mainstream.
              >muh c-comics
              No one reads comics and from what I've seen she's jobbing there too.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Disingenuous.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey, Supergirl had her own show, yes, they canceled it, but she had a show.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fun fact, Superman and Lois was consistently getting over a million views, took a break because CW fricked up by releasing it too soon and placed Supergirl in its timeslot. Tanked the viewership of that timeslot, and fricked over Superman and Lois when it came back.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they canceled it
        You say canceled like a bad thing.
        Anon, it has 6 fricking seasons running for over 6 years (during COVID even) and Supergirl made various appearances in various other CW shows.
        It had a good run.

        Did you expect it to last forever or something?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly DCSHG is the correct and only way I can see a Diana focused cartoon selling. The few times a girl superhero works as a solo act they almost always are romances, (See Ladybug) and no offense to Steve but he’s kinda plain. I can’t see many young girls tuning in just for him and Diana’s sterling romance you know? There’s also Diana’s age which is an issue, quite frankly nobody wants to an old maid like her. Virtually every single female-led cartoon has centered around a girl whose college-aged at the oldest, even DCSHG had to age her down in her order to sell her. Given all this I’d say Supergirl probably has a better shot of being able to carry her own cartoon than Diana does. Not unless they wanted to target it towards us guys and make full-blown fan-service, but even then Kara would still sell better on that front

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        real shame the show was cut so soon. it could have easily ran for 6 seasons and a movie

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I cri every time

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The problem with Diana is much more understandable if you look at the no1 DC girl, Harley Quinn. Diana looks like no fun next to her both for men and women. Even in DCSHG Zee is clearly the most popular character because she is the over the top princess. Also don't forget originally the role was for Wonder Girl but the execs were afraid she is not well known enough. DCSHG Diana is very fun but ultimately because the character swap she is not Diana. She hangs out with girls who are almost always portrayed as teens or young adults aka a different generation. Diana was originally in for the role of Hyppolita, the no fun mom she is usually portrayed as in comics.

        The biggest failure of DC is not being able to position her anywhere. She rarely if ever has the aura of awe around her like Superman and Batman. When the guys talk everyone listens. There are full stories about how the average guy or even young superheroes look up to them. Their presence demands attention on its own. Diana doesn't have this, Diana is wasted as a muscle who supports Batman/Superman in disagreements or turns evil to become a "serious" a physical threat. DCSHG barely uses anyone from her lore as well.

        I give it to DCSHG they allow her to shine as the team leader a few times but overall even Jess has even more memorable episodes using their own lore than Diana. And Jess is supposed to be a third rate Lantern.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >And don’t forget, originally the role was made for Wonder Girl
          I haven’t forgotten, (Poor Donna) but I do like how that character swapped ends up getting used later in the show. Towards the end of the series Diana is offered a position on the Justice League alongside Supes and Batman where she usually sits, in the end though she decides she’s better off leading the girls rather than on some team where she doesn’t fit in. I feel like there’s a lesson there for DC, that maybe Diana would work better as a smaller scale hero rather than trying to force her into a grander prestige role she never asked to be a part of

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Tenth rate
          And Jess only got eps because dyke moms and she's a litteral no-bullshit, anyone can smash with no problems, bawd.

          Like the entire squad hit it tier bawd.

          Kim Possible got plenty of attention, albeit it was a different time

          No anon.
          It got basically nothing from normal girls, normal boys, and was seen as a stupid annoying as shit show.
          Mostly pushed and protected by eisner, the show was in every way a massive fricking unpopular flop. It was obviously an attempt to get girls into the military and spook positions and we all saw the attempt to push lesbianism through the show with the obviously think thank made crappy media and clearly drawn by disney artist dick girl porn that flooded the net back then.
          Notice how they show was finally murdered off after Eisner was leaving and they FINALLY spoke up on and put the dyke rumors to rest AND hooked kim possible up with annoying israelite side kick?
          Yeah.
          They knew what they were doing.

          I do think it could only work if it has little to no overarching story. Separate episodes with some double episodes here and there like old cartoons tend to do. That would allow the creators to focus on individual scenarios. Also the series can't avoid reinventing her villains and create a zero point that allows the audience to always return to in the future. Like BTAS did with Mr Freeze the villains need to be interesting on their own or into the garbage with them.
          The Harley show using Dr. Psycho made it obvious there is insane potential here to create enjoyable villains but nobody even wants to try. Also I would argue the show should be minimal action and major drama as a female main character could carry these scenes way better than men who are expected to be stoic all the time.

          Don't fricking use the harley show. It's indefensibly bad hollywood homosexualry.

          Put yourself in the shoes of someone in the 90s, there was no way a WW cartoon that wasn't Diana juggling high school and super hero responsibilities would've been greenlit.

          Anon...
          Cassie Sandsmark is litterally such a good reimaginng of the WW character that the 100% STOLE it and gave it to her in most interpretatiosn you can name.

          A WW cartoon about WW would never have made it. Mainly because WW is in fact not popular and everything about her is not marketable to sane parents or children.

          It would be about Sandsmark or Donna with Dianna being the occasional guest host/heroine that showed up to help or she helped.

          That's it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It will never work

            I disagree about the idea that WW could never work in any capacity. A cartoon about WW absolutely could work, it'd just take more work than its probably worth. A cartoon that properly expands upon her world, and WW's own character/social circle while making her do proper cool shit might've done wonders for her perception.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because she sucks?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She should have a series in which she's a Kratos/Xena hybrid and she and her himbo sidekick Steve battle evil gods, monsters and assorted eldritch horrors from different world myths.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >her himbo sidekick Steve
      >wondy: "we did it, we defeated the knight from the future."
      >steve: "yeah, we did... oh, who am I kidding? I don't even know why I'm on the team."
      >*steve starts posing sexily while lamenting.*
      >*diana bites her lip while watching it*

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    who was the third DC character to get a live action adaptation?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shazam? Isis?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wonder Woman

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Catwoman

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you're just talking theatrical films, wouldn't it be Swamp Thing?

      With serials, it'd be something like Congo Bill.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Actually I think it was super girl.

        And I just realized something. Aside from Linda Carter

        Every single live action supergirl has been both beautiful, sexy as frick and had nudes. Not dissapointing nudes like Terri hatcher, like oh my god jesus christ is that what this b***h has been packing this whole time, like Jennifer Lawrence.
        Every single fricking one.

        While aside from a single solitary time, every single WW has been unbelievably fricking mid in comparison. ALL OF THEM.

        Is this a curse?
        Is this the universe telling us to let WW go and move on?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Linda Harrison and Cathy Lee Crosby were hot as well

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Touche'
            But that was the 70's anon.
            Women were allowed to be hot and sexually attractive and sexually free

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Network execs regularly killed shows with a high female viewership unless they're already megapopular because they think girls don't buy enough toys. Fricking Barbie never had a cartoon until the streaming era, just DTV movies and now YouTube or Netflix shows, and she's literally the biggest girls toy brand ever. Execs automatically think of young boys buying toys when they think of superhero cartoons, and that Wonder Woman wouldn't carry that audience on her own.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bratz, a company made by an indian man, outsold and continued to outsell and absolutely destroy barbie.

      Guess what happened.
      israelites being israelites, they sued them into oblivion then bought the brand for a song.

      Barbie is the most popular because they have the power of money and their friends in government. That's all.

      So basically Steve Trevor is himbo Lois Lane except not a b***h.
      Would be funny if a supervillain who kidnapped lois tells her, you know what, steve trevor is a more fun damsel in distress then you.
      Then superman and batman look at each other and look away.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Barbie is the most popular because they have the power of money and their friends in government. That's all.
        And still never had a cartoon until YouTube, which was the real point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because they didn't need one.
          The perverse barbie brand is so pervasive and omnipresent that it conquers all others and they have the social coin to LIE to women and make them think their anachronistic toy is good.

          Women's basic inherent natural need to brutally enforce social order takes care of the rest. It's barbie or nothing.

          They didn't need too. The only ones that do are the ones that NEED to be advertised through cartoons and those cartoons have to be 'all inclusive' total embarassing sisterhood/dykery trash.
          As evidenced by the frick awful waste and poorly cast on part of ken barbie movie.

          No, what boys want most is cool action scenes. They'll still watch a show with girls if they punch people.

          Show me three.
          I'll give you powerpuff girls.
          Now show me at least two more.

          Because besides the fact that they're mainly making action cartoons to appeal to young boys who think girls are icky and dumb, they also heavily consider things like how toyetic a series is. I don't know what' it's like nowadays, but back when the DCAU was a thing girls didn't buy Wonder Women toys - they bought Barbies and Bratz dolls.

          Even today, women don't aspire to be like Wonder Women. She's iconic and admirable in a way that men want to be iconic and admirable. Women don't want to be strong, independent, thoughtful, morally upstanding leaders. That's not the female power fantasy.

          The female power fantasy is being a sexually liberated bombshell who everyone loves and who gets to do and say whatever she wants without consequence because she's just that interesting and special. That's why women love Harley Quinn.

          I thought women wanted to be harley in the same way men want to be a male pornstar superhero.
          Shlocky sex/porn fantasy escape. Not an entire persona they want to live up to.
          She's loose, she's vulnerable, she's free, she's in danger and dangerous.
          That's what they all like from what I've seen adn read.
          But ((people)) latched onto that and have been using the character to push and enforce fricked up feminist and homosexual propoganda and the character has been on a bullet train to shitters ville

          And I always thought women wanted to be socially dominant bad b***hes and have more esoteric magical powers like Storm and Ice queen.

          Not be a virgin birth from dyke island and has been run through by the entire dyke village and is basically a butch lesbian lipstick fantasy that has a penis fetish.

          But she's still female superman and has been positioned in a place where other female characters who have less creepy problematic and evil backgrounds should go.

          I mean, Teen Titans cartoon version of starfire is a better WW then WW and Raven is well...second in command.
          They litterally outstrip WW and Harley by a fair margin in terms of recognition by the female audience.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And I always thought women wanted to be socially dominant bad b***hes and have more esoteric magical powers like Storm and Ice queen.
            Women don't want any responsibility at all. They occasionally think they do, but in practice, all they want is to do whatever they want all the time every day without being judged or criticised or suffering any consequences. Women campaigned for the right to work and vote because they thought that would let them feel free but, now that they have those rights, they're just miserable in the way men have always been miserable now. These days, most women long to return to a state of being where they never have to be responsible or devoted to anything or anyone, not even themselves. They just want to suck, frick, drink, sleep, spend and party. Even the ur-example of a powerful woman - the boss b***h archetype - is filtered through a mesh of "nobody tells me what to do or stops me from fricking who I want and dressing how I want and doing what I want" more than, say, actually being powerful and dominant like the male equivalent.

            At the end of the day, whether they want to admit it or not, women yearn to enjoy all the privileges and advantages of being both adult and children with none of the consequences or limitations.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You listen to too many psyops online. Alot of the women shit on those bossy types, calling them ugly, a b***h, annoying.

              Fangirl types are the absolute worst.
              They criticize anything the female characters do while propping the male characters up like god. Especially if they’re attractive, then in their minds they can no wrong even when being abusive.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Women wanting to be degenerate prostitutes that frick anything and anyone and want no responsibiltiy what so ever are not women.

              Those are just basic fricking bawds. They have always existed and are just a subsection of teh female of the human species and women oft do go temporary bawd for one or more men, but end up permanently scarred by it.

              That's reality. You are the other side of the feminist lie/control schema. Without feminist ideology women must be brazen hedonist prostitutes of the worst kind.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whatever you need to tell yourself, bud. I'm sure that tradwife who dreams of raising your kids is waiting out there for you. Meanwhile, I'll live in reality where women show you every day what it is they're really interested in.

                Hey boys like the powerpuff girls, Well I did. Sold a lot of toys too. I don't see why wonder woman wouldn't work.

                Powerpuff Girls had the cute factor going for it, I think. Also, again, it had a very female-friendly approach with a focus on slice-of-life, humour, etc. And boys could obviously get into it for the action, humour, waifus, etc.

                I'm not sure a Wonder Woman cartoon would work unless they took a similar angle. A Teen Titans Go or DCSHG style Wonder Woman show might have worked, but I suppose it would risk alienating the boys again.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you actually believe the first part of your post, then nothing in the second part of your post makes any sense.

                I'm sure you can find enough dumb c**ts to fall 100% for your absolute degenerate bawd propoganda.

                Need state and oligarchy backed propoganda to keep women from becoming bawds don't we?

                >Uses Harley as an example
                >When women only like to dress up as her and not support any of her stories in action (Birds of Prey, Suicide Squad)
                More like they self-inserted to lust after the Joker. And then quickly abandoned her in movies…to watch the Joker by himself (Joker made over a billion).

                The joker was barely in the suicide squad.
                And do you honestly believe any woman would want to cosplay as harley quinn if the read her comic stories?
                Seriously?
                The iconography of HQ is more important. But that's being doused in liquid shit by the cartoons and the new STRONK FEMINIST versions in the games.

                Going to see an absolute dismissal of the character in coming years.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The joker was barely in the suicide squad
                Anon, he was a huge part of the marketing. And a large reason why this made any money. Explain why Birds of Prey bombed and made less money than a Sonic roadtrip movie.

                Face it, she’s just a cool costume at a Halloween party. Any engagement with the character beyond that bombs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody cares about Wonder Woman.
                Barely anybody thinks about her outside the "DC Trio".
                She has, probably, the least memorable or interesting rogues gallery.

                I'm sure that if somebody wanted to, they could give her the BTAS treatment and produce a bunch of interesting villains with memorable motivations. But Wonder Woman is currently the "golden child female rep" for DC and for comics, so they probably aren't willing to rock the boat too much with that image. Execs wouldn't want to potentially mess up her image and hand the iconic-female-superhero over to Spider-Gwen or someone else in Marvel.

                >Birds of Prey
                >"Harley Quinn joins superheroines Black Canary, Huntress, and Renee Montoya"
                Who the frick is Renee Montoya?
                >the female cop from BTAS
                Why the frick is there a movie called "Birds of Prey" when it has Harley Quinn and some random cop as its lead characters?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Explain why Birds of Prey bombed and made less money than a Sonic roadtrip movie.

                Not him but it was obvious to everyone that movie was total shit from the very first promo images. I genuinely don't understand why they even bothered to release it.
                >ugly middle aged dyke squad
                >not a single character looks anything like they are in the comics/cartoons
                It was dead from the start.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No one reads comics and Harley was all over the marketing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Harley looked ugly as shit. She didn't look like any version of Harley that has existed before and more importantly she wasn't hot. Women not being hot chases both male and female viewers away.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Brainrot post.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Show me three.
            Not the anon but Ladybug got a ton of popularity the first seasons where I live, Chat Noir is there but as said, the girls punching was all they (My cousins and other kids I know of) needed to watch it despite being a girl's show

            Also the spark died out when the fights got repetitive and the drama prolonged too much t. The punching got boring

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Kim Possible got plenty of attention, albeit it was a different time

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bratz is owned by MGA Entertainment and always has been. MGA was sued by Mattel as the creator of Bratz, who isn't Indian, is a former Mattel employee and Mattel claimed that Bratz was developed while he was under contract with Mattel. Mattel lost that lawsuit and was ordered to pay MGA Entertainment over $80 million.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well what do you know. I misremember all of that and now I'm proven wrong.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Steve is also very self reliant considering he is a military spy

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why did DC never make a Wonder Woman cartoon?
    because they suck

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Litterally only works in a tongue in cheek jokey way and as a giant golden age send up where you never ever ever think too hard about her

      Notice how she says almost nothing and is all action?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        oh, you want a "serious cartoon for adults"

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Steve looks like he has the biggest fricking boner at that moment.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder Woman is just Superman with breasts, obvious sex projection, and more messages about being better than said men.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There's...seriously not a lot to do with her. She works better in groups, playing off the other characters, honestly. Her 'I'm not from around here' stuff clashes perfectly with Batman and Flash, but also relates her to others like Superman.

    Plus, her rogues gallery isn't as prominent as it used to be. A good chunk of them became Justice League threats like Cheetah and Giganta, Eggfu is a racist steroetype now, Ares isn't exclusively hers anymore same with Circe, Dr. Psycho only recently re-established himself as a rogue in Harley Quinn. Who else does she have?

    Hell even her pet sidekick was kind of lame. A random ass kangaroo?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >"She works better in groups, playing off the other characters"
      >is always at her worst in team comics or cartoons

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh I meant in animated series. She's a total b***h in the silver age at the most random moments. Mood swinging bawd.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God I wish that were me

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Oh man, I cant tell you how much I missed the Tiara toss.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Suits don't think boys will watch a show with a girl lead.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are correct.
      They will not watch a show movie comic or buy their toys unless they are perverts or want the girl to fulfill some emotional need they lack.
      Which...well...most women think is evil and what not.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, what boys want most is cool action scenes. They'll still watch a show with girls if they punch people.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Combination of a bunch of factors:
    1. Wondie isn't actually all that popular. She's just the most pushed female superhero at DC. Also, that results in most of her supporting/villain cast being literally who tier.
    2. Action cartoons (which most superhero stuff falls under) are mostly boys affairs and boys do not buy female character toys.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because besides the fact that they're mainly making action cartoons to appeal to young boys who think girls are icky and dumb, they also heavily consider things like how toyetic a series is. I don't know what' it's like nowadays, but back when the DCAU was a thing girls didn't buy Wonder Women toys - they bought Barbies and Bratz dolls.

    Even today, women don't aspire to be like Wonder Women. She's iconic and admirable in a way that men want to be iconic and admirable. Women don't want to be strong, independent, thoughtful, morally upstanding leaders. That's not the female power fantasy.

    The female power fantasy is being a sexually liberated bombshell who everyone loves and who gets to do and say whatever she wants without consequence because she's just that interesting and special. That's why women love Harley Quinn.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, women want liberation but they understand it from a form of oppresion.
      Really, Harley Quinn = oppresion then liberation.
      Elsa = oppresion then liberation.
      Basically most of Disney princesses= oppresion then liberation.
      Suffer first, then free yourself as the protagonist. That is the process of making a story for women.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're not understanding it - it's not that they want it to start from a point of suffering, it's that they identify with that suffering and a big part of the female empowerment narrative and female power fantasy is breaking free of it to be completely without consequence.

        Most modern women go through their lives blaming their woes and misfortune on some kind of ubiquitous, oppressive force. Whether it's the patriarchy or a more granular manifestation of the patriarchy like a specific man they feel is restricting their freedom.

        When they see these stories about characters like Harley Quinn kicking their abusive bad boy ex to the curb and running off to be the most prettiest interesting woman in the world, they think "YES THAT'S ME THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO".

        So it's not necessarily the suffering they're drawn to - they just fantasise about a world where they can cast off the chains of oppression and bawd it up with impunity forever.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So it's them flipping off the oppressive shackles of the sisterhood/dyke powers that be that women have been told they are being controlled by and attaining true freedom correct?

          Then who is the Harley Quinn cartoon character for? An attempt by those....((people)) to tard wrangle women who are using Harley as a convenient socially accepted get out of their social control card?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So it's them flipping off the oppressive shackles of the sisterhood/dyke powers that be that women have been told they are being controlled by and attaining true freedom correct?
            What? No, you're filtering it through your own political agenda. It's mainly capitalism, the patriarchy, sexual repression and responsibility.

            You listen to too many psyops online. Alot of the women shit on those bossy types, calling them ugly, a b***h, annoying.

            Fangirl types are the absolute worst.
            They criticize anything the female characters do while propping the male characters up like god. Especially if they’re attractive, then in their minds they can no wrong even when being abusive.

            My entire point is women aren't actually interested in being bosses, they just associated being a boss with not having to answer to anyone, which is what they're really interested in.

            Also, the whole dating abusive buttholes thing is part and parcel with the power fantasy. Abusive buttholes are usually domineering, controlling and possessive in a way that allows women to not have to think for themselves, make their own decisions or be responsible. Women are drawn to bad boys because bad boys represent the very thing they long for: total, unbridled freedom that is subordinate to nothing and no one.

            I mean, sure: eventually the abuse starts to outweigh the "I'm queen b***h of frick mountain" of it all, but when that happens they get to do the Harley Quinn thing where they kick their bad boy to the curb, feel empowered and move on to the next one.

            Really, the female power fantasy is based in impulse and emotion above all else. They're not thinking about the future, they're thinking about what makes them feel good in the now.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >They're not thinking about the future, they're thinking about what makes them feel good in the now
              Interesting comparison between Harley Quinn and the other heroes. I think the cartoon does look into Harley Quinn not knowing what she actually wants. But that problem got solved by the end of the season or something.
              When you think about it, men super heroes usually have restraint at their center. You got Superman having to make sure he doesn't break everything, Batman can't let himself slip and become the next villain, and Spider-Man is always afraid the next crook is going to kill an innocent.
              I think the only female super hero with something similar is Scarlet Witch or Rogue, who have insanely dangerous powers.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No.
                Harley quinn is both of america's broken hollywood and academic control schema's, being a degenerate heedless gross pansexual prostitute and being a man hating half moronic feminist sisterhood mega dyke smashed together in a desperate attempt to gaslight women into thinking this is what harley quinn really is

                They shat themselves with the idea of harley quinn being used as a social get out of being a state mandated prostitute and a business mandated spinster and free femininity.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Then who is the Harley Quinn cartoon character for?
            For lolrandom people who are into Deadpool, etc?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So it's them flipping off the oppressive shackles of the sisterhood/dyke powers that be that women have been told they are being controlled by and attaining true freedom correct?

          Then who is the Harley Quinn cartoon character for? An attempt by those....((people)) to tard wrangle women who are using Harley as a convenient socially accepted get out of their social control card?

          Like
          HOLY SHIT THE GIRLS ARE CALLING FEMINISTS GROSS DYKES AND FRICKING LOSERS AND USING HER AS A FORM OF REBELLION
          QUICK
          GET A SHITTY HARLEY QUINN STARRING MIDDLE AGED b***hES WHERE SHES A MASSIVE MAN HATING LUNATIC DYKE WHO CONSTANTLY SPOUTS THE DEEPLY FLAWED FRICKED UP IDEALS OF COLLEGE DYKE FEMINISM AND THE SISTERHOOD!!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The female power fantasy is being Caillou with breasts

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically, yes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > That's not the female power fantasy.
      Can confirm. I don’t really care about “strong female leads” or whatever they’re called. I like strengths portrayed in different areas between men and women. Being portrayed as exactly the same ruins the whole fantasy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Even today, women don't aspire to be like Wonder Women. She's iconic and admirable in a way that men want to be iconic and admirable. Women don't want to be strong, independent, thoughtful, morally upstanding leaders. That's not the female power fantasy.
      >The female power fantasy is being a sexually liberated bombshell who everyone loves and who gets to do and say whatever she wants without consequence because she's just that interesting and special. That's why women love Harley Quinn.
      Pic related, sort of

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hey boys like the powerpuff girls, Well I did. Sold a lot of toys too. I don't see why wonder woman wouldn't work.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Uses Harley as an example
      >When women only like to dress up as her and not support any of her stories in action (Birds of Prey, Suicide Squad)
      More like they self-inserted to lust after the Joker. And then quickly abandoned her in movies…to watch the Joker by himself (Joker made over a billion).

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would you all feel if Wonder Woman got a cartoon like old school Saint Seiya? Hot blooded battles and dramatic finisher moves. Basicly a battle shonen with a female main character.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It will never work

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real reason is that the WW rights were a clusterfrick until ~2012, action cartoons have been massively deprecated for over 20 years now, action cartoons were generally produced to push toys and toy sales have been constantly trending downward making studios less inclined to produce them, and the simple fact that most superheroes don't have cartoons.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, wasn't there some issue with how the DCAU couldn't fully use Wonder Woman characters? Or am I just mixing that up with the Bat Embargo?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're mixing it up with the Bat Embargo. The guys behind the DCAU simply didn't care about Diana at all.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, they talked about hard it was to use Wonder Woman because of rights. Aquaman had an embargo too.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because nobody actually likes Wonder Woman other than as coombait

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's virtually every female character and a large amount of the male ones as well.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wonder Woman was literally created by a femdom gay with a fetish for emasculation. He made his entire life revolve around being sexually dominated by women, and he was open about this

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because WW actually appeals to both gender demographics and is a cool and compelling character with a unique backstory. Everyone trying to make a female orientated cartoon chooses the lowest hanging fruit and anything "gurl power" instead of actual women leads that are well liked and respected ips.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao. Here comes the dumbass WB shills trying to damage control.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is me complaining suits don't know their audience damage control? Especially given the recent slop.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rights issues. In the 90s when DC was going all in on cartoons they'd already pimped her out to Mattel. Mattel didn't give up the rights until after STAS had already wrapped and they were planning Justice League.
    There's a lot of weird roadblocks with regards to her usage rights, which is also why the Teen Titans and Young Justice cartoons could never really use any version of Wonder Girl either.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Young Justice was able to use Wonder Girl eventually

      But by the time the rights were resolved they were too far into production
      So they introduced Cassie in season 2

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not Donna though. It's never Donna for some reason.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          DC Superhero Girls even left out Donna

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Poor Donna…

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, enough arguing. How would you guys actually set up a Wonder Woman cartoon that's appealing to general audiences and allow newcomers to enjoy it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just do what they did with Superman and make it a slice-of-life anime that leans heavily into Wonder Woman being a fish out of water trying to become a "real girl" while falling in love with roguish, handsome pilot Steve Trevor.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would it make more sense to set it during World War 2 or to put it in a modern setting?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Modern. Women and kids don't give a frick about WW2.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's a shame. I would have wanted war world intrigue and pulp adventure stuff evocative of those times, but yeah, a slice-of-life thing is probably more workable in a modern setting and not during one of the biggest conflicts of human history.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >slice-of-life thing is probably more workable in a modern setting and not during one of the biggest conflicts of human history
              IDK you could get a lot of dark humor out of it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >every single one of the cooler Wonder Woman depictions were in WW2 or adjacent

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I guess the contrast of her being a mystical warrior for long lost times feels bigger in World War 2, which is a heavily industrialized and cosmopolitation conflict that happened less than a century ago. It's an extreme version of a fish-out-water thing and it's always interesting to see how characters adjust in a situation they're not familiar with.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can we just straight up ban any and all Wonder Woman content from Cinemaphile, and perhaps Cinemaphile in general? You all hate her anyway, so just stop fricking bringing her up.

          What would make more sense is for you to frick off and stop talking shit about a character you are willfully ignorant of. Being a stupid c**t on purpose is no way to live, anon.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Can we just straight up ban any and all Wonder Woman content from Cinemaphile, and perhaps Cinemaphile in general? You all hate her anyway, so just stop fricking bringing her up.

            >The joker was barely in the suicide squad
            Anon, he was a huge part of the marketing. And a large reason why this made any money. Explain why Birds of Prey bombed and made less money than a Sonic roadtrip movie.

            Face it, she’s just a cool costume at a Halloween party. Any engagement with the character beyond that bombs.

            Because BoP was shit, had horrible casting, a horrible story, dripping with the feminist girl boss stuff that men nor women wanted to see.

            Harley from SS minus the desperate sad as frick attempt to make her some kind of generic actiony boss b***h who don't need no man is what people wanted.
            Maybe her and Joker are fighting in an argument and she's occasionally rescued in the movie by some superhero called red hood.

            Harley as the crazed BPD gf and Tara Durden to the normie female in the audience is her thing.
            Her being retconned into some pathetic feminist icon because the danger hairs and lezbo power brokers saw her as trouble killed the character.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lol Superman and Batman get so much shit on here, and yet they take it. Meanwhile Wondergays don’t get half of the slander and humiliation rituals and yet they cry harassment. Sad! Another reason you were never apart of the big 3!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Make Diana a varbie and give Steve huge bara tiddies.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing. Wonder Woman is sadly garbage from foundation. It’s best just get rid of this troony from DC.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Set it up like an Indiana Jones/Duck Tales-esque adventure.
      >Steve Trevor has an artifact that could mean an end to the war or the end of the world.
      >Crashes on Themyscara trying to keep it safe
      >Diana convinces her Mother to let her leave the island and help Steve destroy or protect the lost treasure
      >Rest of the show is Diana running around the Mediterranean with Steve
      >Introduce Diana's rogue gallery as hired hitmen trying to get the artifact, or common crooks they run into.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I do think it could only work if it has little to no overarching story. Separate episodes with some double episodes here and there like old cartoons tend to do. That would allow the creators to focus on individual scenarios. Also the series can't avoid reinventing her villains and create a zero point that allows the audience to always return to in the future. Like BTAS did with Mr Freeze the villains need to be interesting on their own or into the garbage with them.
      The Harley show using Dr. Psycho made it obvious there is insane potential here to create enjoyable villains but nobody even wants to try. Also I would argue the show should be minimal action and major drama as a female main character could carry these scenes way better than men who are expected to be stoic all the time.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Post-WW2. The backstory of Steve crashing into Themyscira and Diana helping win the war is told partly in the opening narration and partly in the pilot episode. The series itself is centred around Steve and Diana going around the world dealing with threats to international security that are either too covert or located in chaotic places still recovering from the war. Enemies of the week are a combination of human n'er'do'wells backed by evil mythological figures, explained as "the German leader" weakening the barriers between the mortal and spiritual worlds with the Spear of Destiny during the war.

      The basic setup is, Steve handles most of the intel gathering and detective work, while Diana has knowledge over anything esoteric and handles the fighting against enemy heavies. Diana is still allowed to be a feminine woman since her inherent strength won't dull her character, while Steve is a chad who's only not the main character because he doesn't have superpowers. Both are portrayed as competent in their respective fields, and since both have knowledge the other lacks it means you don't need a single audience surrogate character since they can play off each other back and forth.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >These MEN are your friends, Diana?
    >More like sidekicks, mother.
    have a nice day for posting insulting trash.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The time has passed, DC animation sucks now so I don't want it. But DCAU WW sucks too so even back then it would have been shit.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >luck.
    Yeah.
    Like Captain Marvel...

    >every single one of the cooler Wonder Woman depictions were in WW2 or adjacent

    >slice-of-life thing is probably more workable in a modern setting and not during one of the biggest conflicts of human history
    IDK you could get a lot of dark humor out of it.

    Your Black person magical fantasy muh greatest generation war is tired done and dusted.
    The longer you TRY to force this shit the worst characters attached to it will look.

    Fricks sake if the Marsten estate gets WW back then they can EASILY make her the grand daughter of Uncle Sam and some cowgirl themed heroine and make her a tongue in cheek patriotic heroine with tier 2 strength speed and a magic lasso.

    That would sell more then what you have now.

    No one reads comics and Harley was all over the marketing.

    She looked like a fricking dope!

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Yeah actually.
    Those women are just magical fantasy characters that will never exist.

    The male fantasy of what some men want. WW was never a normal female fantasy. He was what a couple of perverts wanted and propoganda all rolled into one.
    She's some creeps jack off/but stuff fantasy character.

    Just like how male characters that women oft create are not in any way appealing as characters to men .

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Female led "sexy" characters like these are competing with anime, and anime has it beat hands down.
    Wonder Woman was never really interesting and only flourished due to propaganda and censorship and lack of diversity and freedom. Only an oppressed captive audience would really watch that shit and we're not all the way there yet, and at the moment people are getting fed up with the woke media and while DC seems to be decent they'd have a hard time launching such a show today.

    The concept is fine, but there's too much censorship that ultimately makes it boring. The "for literal children" tag that these all wind up accepting instead of rejecting is their downfall. I winds up being nothing but your typical capeshit where nothing important or interesting ever fricking happens. Nobody dies, nobody gets seriously injured, it's like a shitty sitcom with capes. And the fanservice can't be as good as both the animators or audience wants it, because of censorship.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because Wonder Woman is a weirdo mishmash of Greek Mythology and feminism with a garbage rogues' gallery. No one has a good enough handle on the character, so her comics are always terrible.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let me reboot her and I could make her interesting

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. Only way to make WW good is to remove the entire feminist angle from her.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I think they should remove WW entirely.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >we need to remove a key part of this female character to make her palpable for men
        Nah

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    execs were never going to fund a female-led action cartoon and toy companies would never want to make toys of it.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Incel energy.

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because they believe that Girl Shows Don't Sell. Ignore the successful Girl Show they currently have.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the single most successful piece of WW media is a 6/10 TV show from the 70s

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They waited too long and the golden era of BTAS/STAS/JL-U has passed. That exact moment in time when they could have built WWTAS on the character we knew from the DCAU. She might not have been the best there but people knew her and the people who made those cartoons could have built her status quo and her stories along with her villains people would remember fondly for all eternity.

    That time has passed and now it is impossible to make her equal. The people who existed back then are not the same people now and the environment where they could create is completely different now. Let it be budget constraints or wrongthink there is no way anyone could / would touch this project unless they want to push some agenda which guarantees it will fail.

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because:

    - Superhero Girls is basically her cartoon.
    - No one can make a Wonder Woman cartoon without make it terribly biased.

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Put yourself in the shoes of someone in the 90s, there was no way a WW cartoon that wasn't Diana juggling high school and super hero responsibilities would've been greenlit.

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Don't know

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Diana is a proto-bishojo heroine(seriously a lot of her Golden Age stories feel like the predecessor of bishojo-likely no real connection, Marston and his team just understood what girls liked.) trapped in a DC that's ashamed of anything whimsical and silly. It's why their only solution for her is making her a shitty Xena/Kratos greek warrior.
    Same issue Captain Marvel has.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      ...bro
      The WW tv show is the Bishojo sailor moon type show.
      The comic is litterally trashy porn for perverts.

      And captain marvel fails because it was made from the ground up to be a strong independent manly woman who dont 'need no man.

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Because wonder woman is a dull and unappealing character merely there in the justice league group photos to not make them look like a bunch of homos

  45. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yes

  46. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why did DC never make a Wonder Woman cartoon? Same fricking reason Marvel never did a Captain America cartoon in the 90s. There's little to no reason to do so. Having them show up once in a while in other cartoons was great, but they could never hold their own. Hell, Superman, Hulk, the Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer and Iron Man, couldn't hold a match to Batman, Spider-Man and the X-men. Think about that. Iron Man couldn't even last 3 seasons. Hulk didn't even last two seasons.

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