Me either I remember the old series but it was literally B-tier show that was formulaic as hell. I enjoyed it but I can't imagine anything in that universe doing numbers.
When I was a little kid I probably would've liked a Buzz Lightyear movie if it was like the intro to Toy Story 2, not the slop that they out out for Lightyear. Buzz is at his best when he's with Woody though, which they constantly seem to forget when they continually separate them or have Buzz act differently in any of the Toy Story sequels.
Zoomer hands wrote this post. Buzz was huge with millennials. If you didn't have a Buzz Lightyear toy after Toy Story came out, then your folks just didn't love you. But the boring trailers and shit word of mouth made it clear that this wasn't our fun Buzz.
Its budget was 200 million.
Its barely made over 214 million.
For a disney movie, merely covering your budget very much IS a flop. Especially for a series with huge name brand recognition.
This series is dead in the water: the Michael bay TMNT made close to 100 million more than its budget and STILL was considered a flop; contrast this one's "Success"
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I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
Plot and other things are what actually matter.
It's even worse than initial box office takes indicate. Remember that Disney only sees about 50-55% of US sales, 40-45% of Global sales and 25% of China sales (granted, not an issue here but worth noting). So in actual fact, it's even farther from the break even point than raw numbers suggest.
>I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
Unfortanetly we've reached a point were even normies are starting to realize, if a movie or show is marketing that they have racial or lgbt inclusion, it's using that to mask shit stories.
Because modern writers see the inclusion as the point of the movie and the story as the afterthought.
>Plot and other things are what actually matter.
The plot or quality would be the reason it would drop off but it doesn't excuse it's shit opening. Stop looking for just one reason why it failed. This movie had every reason not to see it
>I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
Besides costing them some conservative families, it showed pretty clearly that Disney was not going to make a proper 90's nostalgiabait movie, killing interest in what is basically the sole demographic for nostalgiabait movies, manchildren. People who want to relive their childhoods are not interested in drama.
>doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect. >Plot and other things are what actually matter.
Yeah, no one went to see it because they already knew the plot even though they haven't even see it. It had nothing to do with Disney alienating parents by shoving homosexuality down their children's throat.
>Its budget was 200 million. >Its barely made over 214 million. >For a disney movie, merely covering your budget
Dude, Disney gets ~60% of the domestic box office money and MUCH less from foreign gross. It is nowhere near covering its production costs, and production costs doesn't include promotion/advertising.
>I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
I disagree, it certainly had a noticeable effect. Parents don't want to discuss how two moms could have a biological child with their kids, and parents are fed up with Disney et al trying to sexually confuse their kids, when puberty hits, it is confusing enough.
Terrible marketing >Plot confusion, people thinking Buzz Lightyear was a real person the toy is based on >Trailers and TV spots told nothing and kept playing that stupid David Bowie song >Representation shenanigans that overshadowed the movie >Shoehorned "Andy saw this in 1995" when the movie looked anything but
>Representation shenanigans that overshadowed the movie
It likewise reeked of insincerity because Disney openly acknowledged that it was removed and solely reinstated out of spite after they lost their Florida tax benefits.
>characters entire established story is about how he is a toy >every cinematic outing has been him as part of an ensemble cast >film does not have ensemble cast
And “I’m a toy who thinks I’m a purposefully generic spaceman” can’t hold a whole narrative on its own >except he’s not a toy so the character is “I’m a purposefully generic spaceman >half of society still scared of memeflu so don’t want to go to cinemas >other half of society so deeply entrenched in their views that 2 seconds of lesbians became a culture war point and they kept their kids away >main star insults the entire Muslim word, creating the first public popular backlash against not just toy story but marvel as well >gets banned from 35% of the worlds populations screens for woke points and the sanction meme
Frick OP, in retrospect how could it not have flopped?
Personally, it won't stop me from seeing a movie I particularly want to see, but it'll stop me from seeing one that I'm only sort of interested in, especially if it's going to be on a streaming service in the near future.
No one cares about Buzz Lightyear the space ranger.
No one wants to watch a Buzz Lightyear space ranger movie.
Buzz Lightyear is not a name that will draw a crowd to the cinema unless it's also attached to Woody.
Buzz Lightyear's unwanted space ranger movie also had garbage advertising that failed to change the previous opinions.
It was a simple case of no one wanted it and it was poorly marketed.
>characters entire established story is about how he is a toy >every cinematic outing has been him as part of an ensemble cast >film does not have ensemble cast
And “I’m a toy who thinks I’m a purposefully generic spaceman” can’t hold a whole narrative on its own >except he’s not a toy so the character is “I’m a purposefully generic spaceman >half of society still scared of memeflu so don’t want to go to cinemas >other half of society so deeply entrenched in their views that 2 seconds of lesbians became a culture war point and they kept their kids away >main star insults the entire Muslim word, creating the first public popular backlash against not just toy story but marvel as well >gets banned from 35% of the worlds populations screens for woke points and the sanction meme
Frick OP, in retrospect how could it not have flopped?
Terrible marketing >Plot confusion, people thinking Buzz Lightyear was a real person the toy is based on >Trailers and TV spots told nothing and kept playing that stupid David Bowie song >Representation shenanigans that overshadowed the movie >Shoehorned "Andy saw this in 1995" when the movie looked anything but
Still don't know why the frick they didn't go with the original show's setup of a space ranger in a Mass effect style universe of aliens co-existing.
Plus the reveal of zurg, which I will not reveal, was just terrible.
>which I will not reveal
literally everyone knows the reveal already, but yeah it was terrible and it was literally just done for yet another disney twist, funnily enough I saw this movie after Thor Love and Thunder which lead me to believe it was pretty good, but in hindsight it absolutely was not, which only goes to show how terrible Thor was
>which I will not reveal
literally everyone knows the reveal already, but yeah it was terrible and it was literally just done for yet another disney twist, funnily enough I saw this movie after Thor Love and Thunder which lead me to believe it was pretty good, but in hindsight it absolutely was not, which only goes to show how terrible Thor was
Care to spoil it for us? I have no interest in that movie, but used to watch the cartoon show religiously as a kid.
They should've released it after Toy Story 3, to ride the coattails of the hype that movie left. Then people would've given a damn about a spinoff to a movie series whose latest entry came out 3 years ago.
Some other reasons I could think of: >pixar lost a lot of the fan's good will with their wave of mediocre straight to D+ movies >even the people that were interested in it knew that it will just come to D+ within a month or so >Toy Story peaked at 1, 2 was meh, shouldve ended at 3, and 4 was pushing it. >word of mouth spreads and nobody is interested in a kid version of interstellar
Toy Story 3 is not good. Only the beginning and end matter. The daycare Lotso story was irrelevant to what was going on with the toys' owner growing up and moving to college. Toy Story 3 is monumentally overrated due to being the call of an older generation and that blatantly emotionally manipulative ending scene.
It looks boring more than anything. There's a single designated wacky cat sidekick that looks totally out of place with everything else, and even he seems like a boring character. He also looks like the only bright splash of color in the entire movie. It's probably not appealing to kids nor adults with kids. It doesn't target any real audience.
>You'd think a buzz lightyear movie would make bank.
It would have.
If it was based off the universe and lore of Buzz Lightyear of Star Command and not the current year pixar making up their own shit and trying to pass it off as "the real Buzz Lightyear that Any saw in 1995"
People want a goofy, laughably evil zerg: One who's threatening but still making jokes and acting camp. Like, look at syndrome, he was funny but he was still threatening.
This zurg was nothing like that. The one in the show WAS.
It would draw in audiences by being a fun campy space adventure like what people expect out of Buzz Lightyear regardless if they remembered the cartoon series or not.
Ironically actually making it a 90's era space adventure movie would have been better than making it a painfully current year sci-fi movie
But in spite of totally 100% being the movie Andy saw that made him want a Buzz toy no really you guys, it's a painfully current year sci-fi movie and I'm not referring to lesbian black people when I say that
And your proof is?
All the fun campy space adventures have been bombs too
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Anonymous
Guardians of the Galaxy was a flop? Star Wars was a flop? It had the name it just had to not look like boring trash
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>Star Wars was a flop?
Star wars literally killed off any hope of movies set after the new trilogy, they were so bad.
its why everything coming out lately is old lore stuff and tries to distance itself from the new trilogy in every way.
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>Star wars literally killed off any hope of movies set after the new trilogy, they were so bad.
So just like Pixar's Lightyear?
>its why everything coming out lately is old lore stuff
You like like how the old Buzz Lightyear of Sar command was better?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can tell that Disney had 0 respect for Star Wars
It wasn't important to plan things out. What was important was to vomit as much shit into the theaters as fast as possible. After the prequels how could they possibly do any worse? Star Wars fans are idiots and will eat anything you put in front of them forever. They'll never learn
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Anonymous
I hate how correct you are. Fanboys of anything will indeed eat up any trash. Look at how people complained about Lion King's realistic computer film and yet that pile of shit made a billion. Not a shock Disney announced a sequel for that (yes it's happening). And remember Toy Stoy 4? Fans complained and yet that shit also made a billion at the box office.
Fantards are the reason corporations not only stay rich, but expand to maintain their wealth through uncaring normies who will happily go into something due to no standards. People are so fricking stupid. I don't even know if anything can truly hurt the stupid consumer. Look at how they eat up trash like Minions.
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The first one was able to revitalize the whole franchise just by being mediocre proving at the very least the concept isn't toxic. They fricked it afterwards by making dumb decisions.
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>Star Wars was a flop?
Disney Star Wars mostly sold on good faith since the last main film at cinema was Revenge of the Sith which is considered the best of the prequels. By now however? That good faith has been betrayed and the very brand that is Star Wars has been hurt. There is no way future Star Wars movies will do well not even if they erase Rey's trilogy.
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Reminds me of Blizzard and diablo 3 and starcraft 2.
They sold D3 HARD on good faith, and went and burnt their name brand recognition/instant sales in the process.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. This is also why many Star Wars fans are also saying they don't consider spin offs or Disney Star Wars canon. They're leaving it at George Lucas' trilogy and prequels and that's it.
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At the end of the day, the old fans don't matter. Disney is banking on the children who are going to grow up on Disney Star Wars being their consumer base
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>Disney is banking on the children who are going to grow up on Disney Star Wars being their consumer base
It worked for the prequels after all.
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But the kids don't like Disney Star Wars.
The prequels sold shit tons of toys and merch to kids, kids don't want anything to do with Disney's sequels.
Baby Yoda was the only merch hit and it was women in their 30's who bought it.
Lucasfilm tried pushing their Jedi High Republic concept through books, YA novels, comics, and it totally failed since the target audience was totally uninterested. Again, Disney Star Wars has totally failed to capture the next generation audience.
When your main audience is nostalgic millennials, there's gonna be people that remember Star Command.
"Where the hell is Mira?" is a statement that could be found even on normie social media in response to this thing.
Children want musical numbers, teenagers don't watch cartoons in public and 4chonners love to larp as mormon evangelist neo nazis, that's why it flopped.
>You'd think a buzz lightyear movie would make bank.
Considering we didn't really get a Buzz Lightyear movie, you can still think that.
Like gettting a Spiderman movie about how Ganke is such an important person on Peter's life, without Spiderman really doing anything.
Because Disney consciously made the entire "marketing" (of which, outside the controversy the kiss brought, was light) about a split-second same sex kiss, and that was the only thing you ever heard about it in the weeks upcoming to its release.
Fact is, no matter what the movie is like, people aren't going to turn up to see it if you center its marketing around inconsequential things like that.
The current staff at Pixar are incompetent and Disney prioritizes wokeness and Grooming instead of artistic quality or even profit. I've seen many questions asked with the exact same answer
Buzz was never the main character in Toy Story and Disney has an absolutely terrible track record at the box office for the last few decades when it comes to big budget scifi films that aren't MCU or Star Wars.
A Wrinkle in Time? Flop.
Tomorrowland? Flop.
John Carter? Flop.
Mars Needs Moms? Flop.
Meet the Robinsons? Flop.
Treasure Planet? Flop.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire? Flop.
Pretty much every film on that list lost at least its budget at the box office.
Their most successful scifi films over that period are Lilo and Stitch, which wasn't even supposed to be the major animated film that year, and, if I remember right, the remake of Race to Witch Mountain. Each of those cost about half to a third of what ever other film on that list did.
I actually forgot about it, but you're right, in terms of box office gross, it's the most successful one of that era though it actually underperformed the Pixar releases around it. In terms of total success, Lilo and Stitch probably comes out well-ahead of it since it made about 3.5 times its budget on top of all the spinoffs and merchandising.
That's still only three films out of that period that were successful at the box office though and roughly a quarter of their output of non-MCU/SW scifi films for that range.
>Movie supposed to be a "80s/90s" movie feels nothing like the movies of the decade and feels like a generic by the numbers 2020 movie >Also a boring plot that lacks any of the cool sci-fi stuff you'd expect from the movie
Wow I wonder why no one went to see that shitty movie, like it should have been some cheesy throwback with some goofy but action packed moments.
>it's not a kids movie and it's not a movie for grown ups
that's every disney, star wars and marvel movies now. is for the basedjacks who ckap and cry when they see a thing
A serious movie version of a character made to parody sci-fi tropes is a moronic idea. It would be like making a gory, realistic horror movie based on Among Us; it removes the things that people liked about it in the first place.
Of course, and Buzz Lightyear is based off of star wars and star trek. Turning a unique parody of a thing that already existed and was popular into just a bad copy of it makes it superfluous.
It never found their core audience. Is a movie based on a toy made for a movie for kids,but the visuals looks like a scifi animation for more mature audiences,and lightyear is a 20+ year old character so it also tries to cater towards the nostalgia crowd
It's 20 year to late to capitalize on old IPs for old fans, and For new Fans well Pixar made sure not to make Buzz a prominent focus of the Toy Story franchise since the first one where at the end Buzz became the new favorite and Woody was OK with the new leadership, but right after in the second movie Woody is back on top and the movie was focused on him? Buzz was Shafted from the start.
Now had they gone with a more Sci-Fi take like from the animated series then kids today would have latched on instantly because of the Space Adventure theme.
I don't care about Buzz Lightyear in the Toy Story movies, why would I care about him staring in his own blockbuster-esqe movie? I honestly would of had more fun watching a movie about Woody in an old spaghetti western.
because nobody fricking asked for it, that's why. toy story fans like toy story, not buzz lightyear. and people who grew up with toy story are now scraping their 30s. there's literally no demographics this movie was made for, and it feels like disney just dug out the hottest topic they could find from the bottom of the barrel
>there's literally no demographics this movie was made for
That's nonsense. Buzz Lightyear is a well-known character, making a movie where he is doing fun space adventures would of course work, but that's not what they did here.
Instead they made some dark depressing convoluted time paradox shit.
Because it's a "realistic" and boring take on an existing soulful Disney property that for some reason decided that the source material being animated, cheerful and "for children" was holding it back. They thought that making it into a bleak CGI rendition with needlessly convoluted writing and unnecessary changes/additions would improve and add to it, and instead it bombed and was critically panned.
Notice anything similar with other movies Disney released in recent years? It's the same shit as the live action remakes, it's all part of the insane trend of major animation companies being ashamed of animation being animated, and trying to "fix" their old properties by shitting a CGI filter on top and adding scenes that very superficially tackle current social issues for extra brownie points.
The preminent brown characters and lesbian kiss didn't meaningfully contribute to the movie bombing, except for scaring away a few butthurt conservative parents. It's just something made to pander to progressive customers, of course right wingers shine a spotlight on the pandering so they can brag about woke culture losing steam in the popular zeitgeist, completely missing or deliberately ignoring the other glaring flaws or conflating them as being the same. Identity politics have nothing to do with its failure, it's just a legitimately awful, soulless, corporate-approved movie that rejects its roots and ends up alienating fans.
It's likely on purpose, as they're COUNTING on the conservatives to use the lesbian kiss to bash the movie so that they can dismiss ALL of their critics for why their movie sucks balls.
Tough shit for queerfolk. Disney's raking them. At this point, it would be best if the queer movement outspokenly turned on Disney and Disney just says enough with this woke bullshit they're losing money.
Tough shit for queerfolk. Disney's raking them. At this point, it would be best if the queer movement outspokenly turned on Disney and Disney just says enough with this woke bullshit they're losing money.
I fully support the mass extermination of anyone who identifies as anything past the B in LGB.
Anyne who calls themselves "Queerfolx" is 100% a child rapist, and as a society it's unimaginably moronic to just sit around and wait until they get caught when you know they're actively raping children.
After watching it and reading through the user reviews if it feels like a lot of people are just upset over lesbians kissing. It’s not awesome movie, but it’s an okay film.
Lightyear did itself no favors in other areas, but being up against stiff competition did it no favors. Opening weekend had Jurassic World and the shockingly long legged Top Gun, which both dunked on Lightyear in the crucial Father's Day weekend. Then Minions 2 rolls in 2 weeks later and absolutely massacres what remained, making more in one weekend than Lightyear did in 3 weeks. I'm not saying it would've done much better in a less crowded box office, but it has the sheer misfortune of being surrounded by better, or at least more appealing, movies.
this is the movie i wanted instead of toy story 3 and 4. i want weird shit where they make the movie of the in-universe movie or something not the same script as 1 but again.
No one asked for a gritty realistic Buzz Lightyear movie that isn't even recognizably Pixar. It would've been more successful if it was like the Star Command cartoon in Pixar art style but as is it has no real appeal and was so boring that it also caught bad word of mouth.
The plot was legit awful and full of holes. I fricking hate time travel in any story. It's horrendous for writing.
Also it really makes no sense that this is the movie Andy saw, when Zurg in Toy Story 1 & 2 was clearly a toony megavillain type and not LITERALLY FUTURE BUZZ.
The inside-out sandwich skit was really unfunny and felt kind of meta about what a clown world we're in. Not to mention, where in tf are they even getting their meat from?? I'm still really mad that they turned the supposed "inhospitable planet" into a hospitable one. What was the fricking point of anything Buzz did, other than literally waste time. The movie is just a complete waste of time.
And that's exactly what it is. Bad story, poor characters, worthless queerbaiting.
We have this thread every other goddamn day. >boring visual style >took itself way too seriously to the point where the story is depressing >side characters awful, Sox is hit or miss >Zurg twist sucks and was immediately spoiled for everyone >drab visual style that doesn't excite or entice kids >Disney shit the bed in marketing
He's not interesting enough to work as a standalone character.
His interactions with Woody were what made Toy Story.
Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was shit for that very reason.
Anon, he did drugs (cocaine) you don't want to support someone like that and as Disney is a family company with positive morals, they DEFINITELY should have no part with him.
LOL, Disney have used him in every Toy Story movie and in Cars after his drug arrest, they didn't drop him until they started openly discriminating against republicans.
>A Toy Story spinoff >But make it gritty
Nothing about this film was anything I wanted.
And honestly I think that goes with the vast majority of the human population.
Even this realistic fanart of Buzz is bright and colorful. Pixar was probably working on their rust and dust physics engine and decided to make it a space explorer movie, kind of like the good dinosaur.
NTA, >Buzz is whiny >it's actually just Alisha being overbearing and obnoxious
Six one way, half a dozen the other. She unfortunately upstages him either way, even though the movie is supposed to be about him and he's still more likeable than the lesbian mary sue anyhow.
Also, where is this "grit" people are talking about?? The movie was very goofy in many ways and just utterly dumb in others. The cast was mediocre despite (failed) attempts to try to force you to like them anyways.
>Also, where is this "grit" people are talking about??
In it’s incredibly boring visual style. It’s got some neat moments but most of the film is just uninteresting to look at.
I haven't seen it and if it was actually lighthearted then the marketing did a bad job. It seemed like a gritty realistic (or at least as realistic as sci-fi tends to be) take on buzz lightyear, which did not sound like a movie I'd want to see, so I didn't.
The weird thing is, they sort of stole the twist from the BLOSC show too. There's an alternate evil buzz who wears Zurg's uniform. But in that universe, Zurg is hillariously a harmless fast food worker and isn't Lightyear
>You'd think a buzz lightyear movie would make bank.
No I wouldn’t. I’ve literally never thought that in my life.
Me either I remember the old series but it was literally B-tier show that was formulaic as hell. I enjoyed it but I can't imagine anything in that universe doing numbers.
When I was a little kid I probably would've liked a Buzz Lightyear movie if it was like the intro to Toy Story 2, not the slop that they out out for Lightyear. Buzz is at his best when he's with Woody though, which they constantly seem to forget when they continually separate them or have Buzz act differently in any of the Toy Story sequels.
Zoomer hands wrote this post. Buzz was huge with millennials. If you didn't have a Buzz Lightyear toy after Toy Story came out, then your folks just didn't love you. But the boring trailers and shit word of mouth made it clear that this wasn't our fun Buzz.
Millennial here, Star Command was a shitty cartoon that I always changed the channel on and I had do desire to consume Buzz Lightyear content
ugly brown movie in more ways than one
It's like a 2008 videogame and shitty reboot and shitty prequel that doesn't make sense
It didn't flop though, incel. Maybe leave your right-wing echo chamber for once?
Its budget was 200 million.
Its barely made over 214 million.
For a disney movie, merely covering your budget very much IS a flop. Especially for a series with huge name brand recognition.
This series is dead in the water: the Michael bay TMNT made close to 100 million more than its budget and STILL was considered a flop; contrast this one's "Success"
I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
Plot and other things are what actually matter.
No, what matters is that parents aren't going to take their children to see a movie marketed as Black personhomosexualry.
It's even worse than initial box office takes indicate. Remember that Disney only sees about 50-55% of US sales, 40-45% of Global sales and 25% of China sales (granted, not an issue here but worth noting). So in actual fact, it's even farther from the break even point than raw numbers suggest.
For Disney it's more like 100%-80% of the first two weeks of box office
Marketing costs usually double the budget.
>I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
Unfortanetly we've reached a point were even normies are starting to realize, if a movie or show is marketing that they have racial or lgbt inclusion, it's using that to mask shit stories.
Because modern writers see the inclusion as the point of the movie and the story as the afterthought.
>Plot and other things are what actually matter.
The plot or quality would be the reason it would drop off but it doesn't excuse it's shit opening. Stop looking for just one reason why it failed. This movie had every reason not to see it
>I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
It killed them in the Latin American and middle east markets.
>I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
Besides costing them some conservative families, it showed pretty clearly that Disney was not going to make a proper 90's nostalgiabait movie, killing interest in what is basically the sole demographic for nostalgiabait movies, manchildren. People who want to relive their childhoods are not interested in drama.
I feel like everyone talks about how it made little money. But the better question is why was it so expensive in the first place?
>doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
>Plot and other things are what actually matter.
Yeah, no one went to see it because they already knew the plot even though they haven't even see it. It had nothing to do with Disney alienating parents by shoving homosexuality down their children's throat.
>Its budget was 200 million.
>Its barely made over 214 million.
>For a disney movie, merely covering your budget
Dude, Disney gets ~60% of the domestic box office money and MUCH less from foreign gross. It is nowhere near covering its production costs, and production costs doesn't include promotion/advertising.
>I doubt the gay kiss actually had a noticeable effect.
I disagree, it certainly had a noticeable effect. Parents don't want to discuss how two moms could have a biological child with their kids, and parents are fed up with Disney et al trying to sexually confuse their kids, when puberty hits, it is confusing enough.
Terrible marketing
>Plot confusion, people thinking Buzz Lightyear was a real person the toy is based on
>Trailers and TV spots told nothing and kept playing that stupid David Bowie song
>Representation shenanigans that overshadowed the movie
>Shoehorned "Andy saw this in 1995" when the movie looked anything but
>Representation shenanigans that overshadowed the movie
It likewise reeked of insincerity because Disney openly acknowledged that it was removed and solely reinstated out of spite after they lost their Florida tax benefits.
groomer company
>disney paying for their employees to hack their children's genitals off
I know it's nothing new, but HOLY FRICKING CLOWNWORLD
they're solely doing it to save face because they're accused of pandering to moms and dads with kids.
no, they're unironically a bunch of groomers
>mother of one transgender child and one pansexual child
What is Munchausen by Proxy ?
If you asked them they would say their children have it.
>trannis are the smallest % of the population
>All of the kids this woman has become trannies
Clearly it's her.
People were done with the franchise after TS3. Why'd you make more?
TS4 won awards
The rest is hubris
Cars 2 was super successful. It still turned people off from the series.
TS4 was successful. But it too turned people off.
>characters entire established story is about how he is a toy
>every cinematic outing has been him as part of an ensemble cast
>film does not have ensemble cast
And “I’m a toy who thinks I’m a purposefully generic spaceman” can’t hold a whole narrative on its own
>except he’s not a toy so the character is “I’m a purposefully generic spaceman
>half of society still scared of memeflu so don’t want to go to cinemas
>other half of society so deeply entrenched in their views that 2 seconds of lesbians became a culture war point and they kept their kids away
>main star insults the entire Muslim word, creating the first public popular backlash against not just toy story but marvel as well
>gets banned from 35% of the worlds populations screens for woke points and the sanction meme
Frick OP, in retrospect how could it not have flopped?
>main star insults the entire Muslim word, creating the first public popular backlash against not just toy story but marvel as well
elaborate
>main star insults the entire Muslim word, creating the first public popular backlash against not just toy story but marvel as well
Wha?
>half of society still scared of memeflu so don’t want to go to cinemas
Given the success of Sonic 2 a few months before, Top Gun and now Minions, this really doesnt hold any waters now.
Personally, it won't stop me from seeing a movie I particularly want to see, but it'll stop me from seeing one that I'm only sort of interested in, especially if it's going to be on a streaming service in the near future.
For me it's less the coof and more theaters are annoying and expensive so the only movies I bothered with this year were Sonic 2 and Top Gun.
You'd think, but it just wasn't a movie that people needed to see like Spider-Man or Minions.
No one cares about Buzz Lightyear the space ranger.
No one wants to watch a Buzz Lightyear space ranger movie.
Buzz Lightyear is not a name that will draw a crowd to the cinema unless it's also attached to Woody.
Buzz Lightyear's unwanted space ranger movie also had garbage advertising that failed to change the previous opinions.
It was a simple case of no one wanted it and it was poorly marketed.
Still don't know why the frick they didn't go with the original show's setup of a space ranger in a Mass effect style universe of aliens co-existing.
Plus the reveal of zurg, which I will not reveal, was just terrible.
>which I will not reveal
literally everyone knows the reveal already, but yeah it was terrible and it was literally just done for yet another disney twist, funnily enough I saw this movie after Thor Love and Thunder which lead me to believe it was pretty good, but in hindsight it absolutely was not, which only goes to show how terrible Thor was
Care to spoil it for us? I have no interest in that movie, but used to watch the cartoon show religiously as a kid.
I'll give you a hint, the movie has one white guy, and he's the hero. In current Hollywood a white guy has to be the antagonist.
The movie has time travel...
But the only white guy is Buzz
No
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
They should've released it after Toy Story 3, to ride the coattails of the hype that movie left. Then people would've given a damn about a spinoff to a movie series whose latest entry came out 3 years ago.
>Buzz Lightyear is not a name that will draw a crowd to the cinema unless it's also attached to Woody.
How come Buzz got a cartoon and Woody didn't then?
Spudnik
I can hear this in Tom Hanks' voice holy shit
The Matrix 2
Release date: May 2003
Box office: $741 million
The Matrix 3
Release date: November 2003
Box office: $427 million
This is how hard popularity can drop in only 6 months.
Matrix 2 was overlong and inconclusive and turned people off.
Who the frick releases a direct sequel 6 months apart?
Had it actually had a story then sure.
Some other reasons I could think of:
>pixar lost a lot of the fan's good will with their wave of mediocre straight to D+ movies
>even the people that were interested in it knew that it will just come to D+ within a month or so
>Toy Story peaked at 1, 2 was meh, shouldve ended at 3, and 4 was pushing it.
>word of mouth spreads and nobody is interested in a kid version of interstellar
2 and 3 were good you normalhomosexual c**t.
Toy Story 3 is not good. Only the beginning and end matter. The daycare Lotso story was irrelevant to what was going on with the toys' owner growing up and moving to college. Toy Story 3 is monumentally overrated due to being the call of an older generation and that blatantly emotionally manipulative ending scene.
It was the Buzz Lightyear movie that nobody wanted, weird realism instead of campy pulp sci-fi space adventures.
Ironically, Strange World is an homage to pulp fiction but that looks DOA.
Pulp isn't automatically good or successful. Look at Atlantis.
I know.
Wait, Atlantis was pulp? It seemed way deeper than most pulp and didn't have the aesthetic that I would call pulp.
>but that looks DOA.
And all the talk around that is just about it's LGTB characters
It looks boring more than anything. There's a single designated wacky cat sidekick that looks totally out of place with everything else, and even he seems like a boring character. He also looks like the only bright splash of color in the entire movie. It's probably not appealing to kids nor adults with kids. It doesn't target any real audience.
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It looked boring.
And it was boring. Especially what they did with Zurg.
It wasn't a buzz lightyear movie
>You'd think a buzz lightyear movie would make bank.
It would have.
If it was based off the universe and lore of Buzz Lightyear of Star Command and not the current year pixar making up their own shit and trying to pass it off as "the real Buzz Lightyear that Any saw in 1995"
No it would not have
I don't know why people have been pretending that mediocre show was some big popular phenomenon
It was sure as frick much better and more in line with what people and wanted out of Buzz Lightyear media than Pixar's Lightyear dreck.
People want a goofy, laughably evil zerg: One who's threatening but still making jokes and acting camp. Like, look at syndrome, he was funny but he was still threatening.
This zurg was nothing like that. The one in the show WAS.
Being better than this and being popular enough to draw audiences are two different things
It would draw in audiences by being a fun campy space adventure like what people expect out of Buzz Lightyear regardless if they remembered the cartoon series or not.
Ironically actually making it a 90's era space adventure movie would have been better than making it a painfully current year sci-fi movie
But in spite of totally 100% being the movie Andy saw that made him want a Buzz toy no really you guys, it's a painfully current year sci-fi movie and I'm not referring to lesbian black people when I say that
And your proof is?
All the fun campy space adventures have been bombs too
Guardians of the Galaxy was a flop? Star Wars was a flop? It had the name it just had to not look like boring trash
>Star Wars was a flop?
Star wars literally killed off any hope of movies set after the new trilogy, they were so bad.
its why everything coming out lately is old lore stuff and tries to distance itself from the new trilogy in every way.
>Star wars literally killed off any hope of movies set after the new trilogy, they were so bad.
So just like Pixar's Lightyear?
>its why everything coming out lately is old lore stuff
You like like how the old Buzz Lightyear of Sar command was better?
You can tell that Disney had 0 respect for Star Wars
It wasn't important to plan things out. What was important was to vomit as much shit into the theaters as fast as possible. After the prequels how could they possibly do any worse? Star Wars fans are idiots and will eat anything you put in front of them forever. They'll never learn
I hate how correct you are. Fanboys of anything will indeed eat up any trash. Look at how people complained about Lion King's realistic computer film and yet that pile of shit made a billion. Not a shock Disney announced a sequel for that (yes it's happening). And remember Toy Stoy 4? Fans complained and yet that shit also made a billion at the box office.
Fantards are the reason corporations not only stay rich, but expand to maintain their wealth through uncaring normies who will happily go into something due to no standards. People are so fricking stupid. I don't even know if anything can truly hurt the stupid consumer. Look at how they eat up trash like Minions.
The first one was able to revitalize the whole franchise just by being mediocre proving at the very least the concept isn't toxic. They fricked it afterwards by making dumb decisions.
>Star Wars was a flop?
Disney Star Wars mostly sold on good faith since the last main film at cinema was Revenge of the Sith which is considered the best of the prequels. By now however? That good faith has been betrayed and the very brand that is Star Wars has been hurt. There is no way future Star Wars movies will do well not even if they erase Rey's trilogy.
Reminds me of Blizzard and diablo 3 and starcraft 2.
They sold D3 HARD on good faith, and went and burnt their name brand recognition/instant sales in the process.
This. This is also why many Star Wars fans are also saying they don't consider spin offs or Disney Star Wars canon. They're leaving it at George Lucas' trilogy and prequels and that's it.
At the end of the day, the old fans don't matter. Disney is banking on the children who are going to grow up on Disney Star Wars being their consumer base
>Disney is banking on the children who are going to grow up on Disney Star Wars being their consumer base
It worked for the prequels after all.
But the kids don't like Disney Star Wars.
The prequels sold shit tons of toys and merch to kids, kids don't want anything to do with Disney's sequels.
Baby Yoda was the only merch hit and it was women in their 30's who bought it.
Lucasfilm tried pushing their Jedi High Republic concept through books, YA novels, comics, and it totally failed since the target audience was totally uninterested. Again, Disney Star Wars has totally failed to capture the next generation audience.
When your main audience is nostalgic millennials, there's gonna be people that remember Star Command.
"Where the hell is Mira?" is a statement that could be found even on normie social media in response to this thing.
Children want musical numbers, teenagers don't watch cartoons in public and 4chonners love to larp as mormon evangelist neo nazis, that's why it flopped.
>Children want musicals
I hated musicals as a kid
>You'd think a buzz lightyear movie would make bank.
Considering we didn't really get a Buzz Lightyear movie, you can still think that.
Like gettting a Spiderman movie about how Ganke is such an important person on Peter's life, without Spiderman really doing anything.
Because Disney consciously made the entire "marketing" (of which, outside the controversy the kiss brought, was light) about a split-second same sex kiss, and that was the only thing you ever heard about it in the weeks upcoming to its release.
Fact is, no matter what the movie is like, people aren't going to turn up to see it if you center its marketing around inconsequential things like that.
The current staff at Pixar are incompetent and Disney prioritizes wokeness and Grooming instead of artistic quality or even profit. I've seen many questions asked with the exact same answer
Buzz was never the main character in Toy Story and Disney has an absolutely terrible track record at the box office for the last few decades when it comes to big budget scifi films that aren't MCU or Star Wars.
A Wrinkle in Time? Flop.
Tomorrowland? Flop.
John Carter? Flop.
Mars Needs Moms? Flop.
Meet the Robinsons? Flop.
Treasure Planet? Flop.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire? Flop.
Pretty much every film on that list lost at least its budget at the box office.
Their most successful scifi films over that period are Lilo and Stitch, which wasn't even supposed to be the major animated film that year, and, if I remember right, the remake of Race to Witch Mountain. Each of those cost about half to a third of what ever other film on that list did.
What about WALL-E?
I actually forgot about it, but you're right, in terms of box office gross, it's the most successful one of that era though it actually underperformed the Pixar releases around it. In terms of total success, Lilo and Stitch probably comes out well-ahead of it since it made about 3.5 times its budget on top of all the spinoffs and merchandising.
That's still only three films out of that period that were successful at the box office though and roughly a quarter of their output of non-MCU/SW scifi films for that range.
Released at the wrong time.
Had it have been released in the 90s or 2010s a year after TS3 it could have been successful.
>Only relationship in the movie's entire purpose is to procreate and leave a legacy beyond the death of the character
>Make that relationship gay
???
>Movie supposed to be a "80s/90s" movie feels nothing like the movies of the decade and feels like a generic by the numbers 2020 movie
>Also a boring plot that lacks any of the cool sci-fi stuff you'd expect from the movie
Wow I wonder why no one went to see that shitty movie, like it should have been some cheesy throwback with some goofy but action packed moments.
>expected cool space adventure with ayys
>wanted to see that blue ayy babe
>no buzz, i am your father lmao
>get dark and gritty story with black lesbians
it's not a kids movie and it's not a movie for grown ups
It feels like a move for emotionally stunted young adults
>it's not a kids movie and it's not a movie for grown ups
that's every disney, star wars and marvel movies now. is for the basedjacks who ckap and cry when they see a thing
Don’t really care
just like girls don't care to give you sex
A serious movie version of a character made to parody sci-fi tropes is a moronic idea. It would be like making a gory, realistic horror movie based on Among Us; it removes the things that people liked about it in the first place.
isn't amongus based off the thing?
Of course, and Buzz Lightyear is based off of star wars and star trek. Turning a unique parody of a thing that already existed and was popular into just a bad copy of it makes it superfluous.
the setting, the series fricked its launch by being better
For all their pandering to rainbow and vrown people, the movie just looks so colorless.
The plot is lifeless. He does nothing but hyperspace jumps and forms no bonds with anyone. Time skips don't equal plot development.
It never found their core audience. Is a movie based on a toy made for a movie for kids,but the visuals looks like a scifi animation for more mature audiences,and lightyear is a 20+ year old character so it also tries to cater towards the nostalgia crowd
It's 20 year to late to capitalize on old IPs for old fans, and For new Fans well Pixar made sure not to make Buzz a prominent focus of the Toy Story franchise since the first one where at the end Buzz became the new favorite and Woody was OK with the new leadership, but right after in the second movie Woody is back on top and the movie was focused on him? Buzz was Shafted from the start.
Now had they gone with a more Sci-Fi take like from the animated series then kids today would have latched on instantly because of the Space Adventure theme.
I don't care about Buzz Lightyear in the Toy Story movies, why would I care about him staring in his own blockbuster-esqe movie? I honestly would of had more fun watching a movie about Woody in an old spaghetti western.
nah, Woody's movie should be a live action parody of westerns.
because nobody fricking asked for it, that's why. toy story fans like toy story, not buzz lightyear. and people who grew up with toy story are now scraping their 30s. there's literally no demographics this movie was made for, and it feels like disney just dug out the hottest topic they could find from the bottom of the barrel
>there's literally no demographics this movie was made for
What about queer 30 somethings? Isn't that the current target audience for animation?
>there's literally no demographics this movie was made for
That's nonsense. Buzz Lightyear is a well-known character, making a movie where he is doing fun space adventures would of course work, but that's not what they did here.
Instead they made some dark depressing convoluted time paradox shit.
Personally, I just refuse to give Disney y money. I watched No Way Home, and promptly lost interest in Disney movies.
What was the hook of the film besides basically being an easter egg for Toy Story?
Woke garbage
Because it's a "realistic" and boring take on an existing soulful Disney property that for some reason decided that the source material being animated, cheerful and "for children" was holding it back. They thought that making it into a bleak CGI rendition with needlessly convoluted writing and unnecessary changes/additions would improve and add to it, and instead it bombed and was critically panned.
Notice anything similar with other movies Disney released in recent years? It's the same shit as the live action remakes, it's all part of the insane trend of major animation companies being ashamed of animation being animated, and trying to "fix" their old properties by shitting a CGI filter on top and adding scenes that very superficially tackle current social issues for extra brownie points.
The preminent brown characters and lesbian kiss didn't meaningfully contribute to the movie bombing, except for scaring away a few butthurt conservative parents. It's just something made to pander to progressive customers, of course right wingers shine a spotlight on the pandering so they can brag about woke culture losing steam in the popular zeitgeist, completely missing or deliberately ignoring the other glaring flaws or conflating them as being the same. Identity politics have nothing to do with its failure, it's just a legitimately awful, soulless, corporate-approved movie that rejects its roots and ends up alienating fans.
It's likely on purpose, as they're COUNTING on the conservatives to use the lesbian kiss to bash the movie so that they can dismiss ALL of their critics for why their movie sucks balls.
It's their go to tactic.
It wasn't a movie about Woody in the wild west.
>You'd think a buzz lightyear movie would make bank.
Yes
Tough shit for queerfolk. Disney's raking them. At this point, it would be best if the queer movement outspokenly turned on Disney and Disney just says enough with this woke bullshit they're losing money.
I fully support the mass extermination of anyone who identifies as anything past the B in LGB.
Anyne who calls themselves "Queerfolx" is 100% a child rapist, and as a society it's unimaginably moronic to just sit around and wait until they get caught when you know they're actively raping children.
After watching it and reading through the user reviews if it feels like a lot of people are just upset over lesbians kissing. It’s not awesome movie, but it’s an okay film.
It opened opposite of fricking Minions.
Lightyear did itself no favors in other areas, but being up against stiff competition did it no favors. Opening weekend had Jurassic World and the shockingly long legged Top Gun, which both dunked on Lightyear in the crucial Father's Day weekend. Then Minions 2 rolls in 2 weeks later and absolutely massacres what remained, making more in one weekend than Lightyear did in 3 weeks. I'm not saying it would've done much better in a less crowded box office, but it has the sheer misfortune of being surrounded by better, or at least more appealing, movies.
this is the movie i wanted instead of toy story 3 and 4. i want weird shit where they make the movie of the in-universe movie or something not the same script as 1 but again.
It looked dusty.
No one asked for a gritty realistic Buzz Lightyear movie that isn't even recognizably Pixar. It would've been more successful if it was like the Star Command cartoon in Pixar art style but as is it has no real appeal and was so boring that it also caught bad word of mouth.
Cause it genuinely looked like a bad movie
The plot was legit awful and full of holes. I fricking hate time travel in any story. It's horrendous for writing.
Also it really makes no sense that this is the movie Andy saw, when Zurg in Toy Story 1 & 2 was clearly a toony megavillain type and not LITERALLY FUTURE BUZZ.
The inside-out sandwich skit was really unfunny and felt kind of meta about what a clown world we're in. Not to mention, where in tf are they even getting their meat from?? I'm still really mad that they turned the supposed "inhospitable planet" into a hospitable one. What was the fricking point of anything Buzz did, other than literally waste time. The movie is just a complete waste of time.
And that's exactly what it is. Bad story, poor characters, worthless queerbaiting.
We have this thread every other goddamn day.
>boring visual style
>took itself way too seriously to the point where the story is depressing
>side characters awful, Sox is hit or miss
>Zurg twist sucks and was immediately spoiled for everyone
>drab visual style that doesn't excite or entice kids
>Disney shit the bed in marketing
>leaving out Black personhomosexualry
politics plus chris evans aint all that smart
He's not interesting enough to work as a standalone character.
His interactions with Woody were what made Toy Story.
Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was shit for that very reason.
>Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was shit for that very reason.
Surely you can provide better bait than this.
I'm sorry you have such shit taste.
I hope that you can be cured of your affliction.
LOL, 65 episodes and a movie, Buzz Lightyear of Star Command was certainly interesting enough.
Because everyone saw Top Gun Maverick instead. Disney released Lightyear in a box office danger zone.
>Disney released Lightyear in a box office danger zone.
You motherfricker I love you
No Tim Allen, no buy tickets.
Anon, he did drugs (cocaine) you don't want to support someone like that and as Disney is a family company with positive morals, they DEFINITELY should have no part with him.
LOL, Disney have used him in every Toy Story movie and in Cars after his drug arrest, they didn't drop him until they started openly discriminating against republicans.
>He did drugs
Literally every hollywood actor is a drug using degenerate that fricks women, men, animals and god knows what else.
>A Toy Story spinoff
>But make it gritty
Nothing about this film was anything I wanted.
And honestly I think that goes with the vast majority of the human population.
Even this realistic fanart of Buzz is bright and colorful. Pixar was probably working on their rust and dust physics engine and decided to make it a space explorer movie, kind of like the good dinosaur.
It wasn't available in English in the theaters near me. When I watched it online, I didn't like how Buzz seemed like he was written by a teenage girl.
Boring ads. Kids want vídeo games now
Buzz Lightyear is white therefore depicted as all the greatest traits a man can be.
>whiny, dumb, conservative, asocial, has to be saved by his gay, black, female supervisor in almost every situation in the first five minutes.
What a male
NTA,
>Buzz is whiny
>it's actually just Alisha being overbearing and obnoxious
Six one way, half a dozen the other. She unfortunately upstages him either way, even though the movie is supposed to be about him and he's still more likeable than the lesbian mary sue anyhow.
Too much sjw pandering
nostalgia cashgrab fatigue
cause it's not a good movie
Also, where is this "grit" people are talking about?? The movie was very goofy in many ways and just utterly dumb in others. The cast was mediocre despite (failed) attempts to try to force you to like them anyways.
>Also, where is this "grit" people are talking about??
In it’s incredibly boring visual style. It’s got some neat moments but most of the film is just uninteresting to look at.
I haven't seen it and if it was actually lighthearted then the marketing did a bad job. It seemed like a gritty realistic (or at least as realistic as sci-fi tends to be) take on buzz lightyear, which did not sound like a movie I'd want to see, so I didn't.
We may never know
The weird thing is, they sort of stole the twist from the BLOSC show too. There's an alternate evil buzz who wears Zurg's uniform. But in that universe, Zurg is hillariously a harmless fast food worker and isn't Lightyear
I loved that
You think Zurg is going to be a Buzz-like figure and he's just a fricking frycook
>Budget: $200 million
>Box office: $214.3 million
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