>Blaze's officially flat chested and has breast envy
Has this exact pic ever been made with Blaze and, I don't know, Rouge, Amy or other of the official big titted characters?
If not... I might just know what to commission next.
Surge is way more similar to Shadow than Scourge.Scourge was an bratty asshat who killed his father because he mistreated him, and then turned into an even bigger brat.
Surge was some normal girl who underwent extensive genetic operations to be turned into an bionic supersoldier against sonic. She also has the biodata of both Sonic and Shadow.
>She also has the biodata of both Sonic and Shadow
Wait really? I know she has Sonic's but where is it said she had Shadow's? Did Starline ever even interact or mention Shadow?
Scourge’s father never mistreated him, he was a saint in fact, and led their world’s “great era of peace”. Scourge was just a spoiled, ungrateful brat who killed his dad because he was always evil, which is why the “one bad day” ripoff line doesn’t make any sense because unlike Batman and Joker, Sonic and Scourge both have amazing lives compared to every single other person on the planet. There was never any reason for why they are that way.
Same thing. Scourge is a brat, that's pretty much it.
Honestly, if anyone's got the right to talk about a 'bad day', it's Surge. Even Shadow had Maria, but Kit is just fricked up as Surge as well, and the only reason he even follows her is because he's brainwashed ot.
>which is why the “one bad day” ripoff line doesn’t make any sense
Scourge used that on Sonic to say he was pretty close to being like Scourge. That's why Sonic said the opposite could be true for Scourge having a good day or whatever and being more like Sonic. They're both on the verge of switching sides and knowing Ian and his corruption fetish, I can see him really wanting to push that.
Not exactly. Sonic was getting fed up with stuff happening at New Mobotropolis and he gets more defiant later on. That's why Scourge's words bothered him. Of course he's not going to go bad or anything but it was just the possibility that was supposed to worry him. Sally managed to help him get through some of that and when the council became more unbearable she got control of the FF back but then she got roboticized and Sonic's attitude went to anger and depression. He probably would've returned to his not as pissed self when he got her back but the reboot happened and that wiped away a lot of his problems.
>Scourge’s father never mistreated him, he was a saint in fact, and led their world’s “great era of peace”.
The era of peace was fell apart quickly and the reason Scourge had it out for his father was because he was an absentee parent.
No he didn't anon, you literally made that up. That or you've suffered some form of the Mandela effect. Scourge doesn't once ever say or imply he was "absentee", the one and only time we see him he's side by side with little Scourge. Scourge killed him because Scourge was evil. It was the typical "you're weak old man, I'm the future!" bullshit from a moron with no redeeming qualities or prior justification.
>No he didn't anon, you literally made that up.
If you're going to call someone a liar, do your homework first. >the one and only time we see him he's side by side with little Scourge
Ignoring him while basking in the praise from the public. Scourge looks sad and lonely and he's tugging on his dad's cape but is simply being ignored. The intention was clear that Anti-Jules didn't spend tie with his son which led to his resentment of him.
They advertised her as Surge and she kinda almost sorta is until you hear half the words she's saying. She comes off more like a rape victim than an angry dyke lesbian dom.
I never really thought about it, but given rumors of Ian not wanting to use Shadow until the suits lighten up on their novel-length mandates I believe it.
No Also am I the only one old enough to know and have made friends with this British thot? I can't believe it's been like 15 years - we're all going to be 40 soon
>What's going on with this? And when did it happen?
Ian has stated he's moved away from writing Shadow because he was tired of all the restrictions on him. That was around the time of the end of Metal Virus.
Generally that he can't grow as a person, have friends or receive any positive development of any kind and has to stay as a mentally stunted, edgy manchild.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's really stupid and I feel like those restriction are only meant to appeal to comentators who just want to make jokes about how edgy Shadow is. Most fans want to see him become more of a character and we already don't get in in the games, why restrict the comic that litereally has no ties to the games whatsoever?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because Sega said so, and they want Shadow to be a joke because making him a serious character keeps blowing up in their face.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How do you make Shadow into more of a character? He's a 50 year old overpowered half-alien twin of Sonic whose design is edge incarnate.
2 years ago
Boco
Play him for laughs like Boom did.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's not a character it's a gag, like everything in that show.
2 years ago
Boco
And it was still better than anything before or since.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hope you realize your opinion has the opposite effect. Everyone knows how shit your taste is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No it wasn't, you moron. It was completely shit on, nobody even thought it was funny.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How do you make Shadow into more of a character?
He already was.
2 years ago
Anonymous
like the anon ealier in the thread said, he's essentally a discount pre-development Vegeta at this point. I always felt like if they really wanted to parallel Vegeta's character arc, they need to give him a reason to want to protect and fight for others. He obviously doesn't need a romantic partner, but just any form of relationship that may give him more reason to open up and portray a softer side. If they want they can even draw parrels to his relationship with Maria and make it as though this new relationship has given him back the motivations to protect others that he lost with Maria. I don't really know, I'm just bullshiting, but that could work if done right
2 years ago
Anonymous
Team Dark is literally right there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're not a team. They aren't even friends. 'Team Dark' is simply a marketing term.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They're not a team.
Yes. They work together from time to time. And usually when the situation demands it. >They aren't even friends.
Debatable. Despite what Iizuka says. Even if not "friends", they are still allies and people who trust in each other and are willing to work with. >'Team Dark' is simply a marketing term.
Absolutely right. Their group has no name.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Debatable. Despite what Iizuka says. Even if not "friends", they are still allies and people who trust in each other and are willing to work with.
Not anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Haha yes anon I know. Literally not the point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Still make 06' technically cannon >Decide to retcon the single thing 06' did correctly which was Shadow's development
At a certain point the conspiracy that Sonic Team is going out of there way to ruin Sonic as much as they can looks more and more believable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
06 isn't canon. Just pretend Sega never made it. They already do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mephiles is currently being added to Speed Battle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Shade's face when even Mephiles makes the cut
2 years ago
Anonymous
That game, apart from being one of the very few games that is somehow even worse than 06', was the catalyst of a lawsuit that forever changed how SEGA handled giving Sonic to third parties.
It's not hard to see why she will never be seen or refrenced again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I thought you were talking about Speed Battle
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know, anon... trust me, I know.
Still hurts, but a man can dream though, a man can dream.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Shade
Good night, sweet echidna princess
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mephiles is currently being added to Speed Battle.
How does Mephiles even exist outside that game?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He doesn't, the mobile isn't canon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Mephiles himself doesn't, but Sonic and Blaze remember him.
Also, just because he doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean you can't officially acknowledge him in any capacity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I dunno, he was gonna be in Forces before someone made them drop him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
As an Phantom Illusion, which are, according to Shadow, not real. He could've come back as an illusion but doing so would not only be very difficult because barely anyone remembers him as anything but Solaris, but it wouldn't matter because all of the Phantom Illusions fade out of existence when the Phantom Ruby that created them all is destroyed which would mean he could only come back for a boss fight, if that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The same way Tikal, Gamma and the many variants do.
It's a non-canon game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Team Dark
Team Who?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I always felt like if they really wanted to parallel Vegeta's character arc, they need to give him a reason to want to protect and fight for others
They were, unironically, going with that route in Battle, by making Shadow's goal to protect the planet as Maria wanted. That's why, despite the explanation as to how he returned and had his memories back not being given yet, Battle is easily the best depiction of the character after SA2.
Sure, there are some memetic dialogues here and there, but given how cringe the localization of Battle was on some points, one must excuse the form and focus on the substance.
Then came Heroes, and Shadow the Game and everything started going to shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What morons. Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, the list goes on are garbage characters. What was it with Sega and their obsession with DBZ at the time when DBZ was over since the 90s?
And Sonic in the first video games never came off as Goku or Peter Pan, he came off more like a lazy butthole sick with it all ready to go Shadow when he's not having fun anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, the list goes on are garbage characters
By all means, elaborate
2 years ago
Anonymous
Goku is a literal mental moron. He hit his head as a kid.
The rest of the characters are just different degrees of fight-happy buttholes; they're all part of the same archetype with no serious improvements.
And the other characters are boring straightmen who get impressed by everything like Krillin, Gohan, Trunks, Bulma.
The others are boring perverts that make Quagmire look like a 3D character.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Vegeta - starts off arrogant, hopeful and cheeky, actually has a personality at first before they turn him into an angry moron.
Piccolo - Stoic self-righteous idiot who's mostly mute and when he isn't he goes full "For the crimes against King Piccolo I sentence you to death".
Tenshinhan - Ironically more serious less of a weirdo antisocial than the previous two. Stoic, but can still be impressed and fooled by Goku and Master Roshi. He also used to have more of a personality at first before he turns stoic.
Yamcha - kind of a Jack Spicer, used to be a bandit, he used to be the douchebag big bro bully villain to Goku. He's almost like Sonic in a way, just like Goku. Later in the series he still retains his wackiness, but he loses his intelligence and combat effectiveness.
Bulma - annoying bawdb***h of the group who's main goal was to gather the dragon balls to wish for the greatest boyfriend(literally fricking Amy), but she's a scientist to elevate her usefulness.(better than Amy's Tsunade trash punch hard like an ooga booga cause that's definitely feminine, punching like a moron, oohhh booga, we really need angry women to be made fun of and called unfeminine like)
Trunks is Silver
Can't find a counterpat for Cream and Blaze or Eggman.
Tails is almost an improvement, he's Bulma without the b***hing, bawdtiness, shallowness, but he's something like Bulma mixed with Krillin which makes him pathetic instead of a badass like Rouge.
Can't find any counterpat to Rouge out of DBZ.
Shadow suffers the same exact problem as these characters. He starts off fun-loving and all chatty enjoying to humiliate Sonic and then becomes too stoic and antisocial and downright a tool for others to use instead of being the one pulling the strings behind the scenes like a moustache twirling villain.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eggman is easily Frieza. A genius that thinks he's better than everyone and wants to build his empire. Likes playing with his enemies and having fun causing destruction. Not as murderous unless we're talking about Archie Eggman. And Tails is Gohan. Maybe now Sega will have Tails step up and be a hero on his own again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tails is Gohan >Tails transforming into the Kitsune Blanco may happen in your lifetime
2 years ago
Anonymous
I always thought Tails was this really nice innocent girl in the video games like Gadget Hackwrench who occasionally wants to frick Sonic, but because of a misinterpretation of the Game Over screen and because you do PvP racing only against Sonic Vs Tails without any clones I thought Tails was hiding a dark side to her and was secretly Sonic's rival in disguise. Kinda like how in Swat Kats T-Bone and Razor compete so hard in training with each other that you'd think they're sworn enemies.
So anyway in the game over screen I thought Tails got sick of Sonic's laziness from not wanting to save the world and ends up cooking him on a pot with fire underneath Sonic and everything. Sonic is just sitting there "I give this little of a frick that I am going to let you cook me alive and eat me, fox. I AM NOT FRICKING MOVING FROM THIS SPOT, TAILS. EAT ME ALIVE, GO AHEAD, b***h." which is also very 100% accurate to the OVA when Tails yells at Sonic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Eggman
Dr. Gero of the Red Ribbon Army.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He doesn't have the personality beyond the anger, cowering and entitlement over his robots. >Freeza
He doesn't have the personality... no wait... Freeza almost.. kinda.. Freeza is never wacky and pathetic, but he is very backstabbing and a liar, but when he lies he doesn't play the pathetic card, he plays the eloquent noble gentleman card almost like a Captain Hook.
Eggman is definitely a modified Freeza.
Eggman is almost a Joker or Aku type except his chattiness revolves around technical nerdy shit and punching his minions. Which is hilarious because neither Dr Wily nor Dr Light talk that much about technical shit. I often compared Sonic to Megaman. There's just too much robot shit going on because of Eggman to not think about Megaman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eggman is easily Frieza. A genius that thinks he's better than everyone and wants to build his empire. Likes playing with his enemies and having fun causing destruction. Not as murderous unless we're talking about Archie Eggman. And Tails is Gohan. Maybe now Sega will have Tails step up and be a hero on his own again.
>Vegeta >Piccolo >Tenshinhan >Bulma >Gohan
Good thing all those characters go through a lot of character development all throughout DB and DBZ
2 years ago
Anonymous
Vegeta does
2 years ago
Anonymous
>He starts off fun-loving
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kicking your ass with a glee is pretty fun loving of him. :^)
2 years ago
Anonymous
with glee* with a grin*
2 years ago
Anonymous
Goku is a literal mental moron. He hit his head as a kid.
The rest of the characters are just different degrees of fight-happy buttholes; they're all part of the same archetype with no serious improvements.
And the other characters are boring straightmen who get impressed by everything like Krillin, Gohan, Trunks, Bulma.
The others are boring perverts that make Quagmire look like a 3D character.
Turn him into Mao Mao (Heroes of Pure Heart) an actual charming Batman who enjoys his job(unlike Batman). He'd have great chemistry with Sonic's more Peter Pan-ish personality, unlike Piccolo/Knuckles, Vegeta and the stereotype that is Rouge(Rouge doesn't get surprised, shocked, intimidated by most things which makes for a boring character)
Vegeta - starts off arrogant, hopeful and cheeky, actually has a personality at first before they turn him into an angry moron.
Piccolo - Stoic self-righteous idiot who's mostly mute and when he isn't he goes full "For the crimes against King Piccolo I sentence you to death".
Tenshinhan - Ironically more serious less of a weirdo antisocial than the previous two. Stoic, but can still be impressed and fooled by Goku and Master Roshi. He also used to have more of a personality at first before he turns stoic.
Yamcha - kind of a Jack Spicer, used to be a bandit, he used to be the douchebag big bro bully villain to Goku. He's almost like Sonic in a way, just like Goku. Later in the series he still retains his wackiness, but he loses his intelligence and combat effectiveness.
Bulma - annoying bawdb***h of the group who's main goal was to gather the dragon balls to wish for the greatest boyfriend(literally fricking Amy), but she's a scientist to elevate her usefulness.(better than Amy's Tsunade trash punch hard like an ooga booga cause that's definitely feminine, punching like a moron, oohhh booga, we really need angry women to be made fun of and called unfeminine like)
Trunks is Silver
Can't find a counterpat for Cream and Blaze or Eggman.
Tails is almost an improvement, he's Bulma without the b***hing, bawdtiness, shallowness, but he's something like Bulma mixed with Krillin which makes him pathetic instead of a badass like Rouge.
Can't find any counterpat to Rouge out of DBZ.
Shadow suffers the same exact problem as these characters. He starts off fun-loving and all chatty enjoying to humiliate Sonic and then becomes too stoic and antisocial and downright a tool for others to use instead of being the one pulling the strings behind the scenes like a moustache twirling villain.
Man don't tbother arguing. Modern Sonic fans are a bunch of die-hard weebs that get off on DBZ. They like dumb anime shit like Nazo or That Mario flash thing with Mecha Sonic.
Man, i bet if Sonic starts like speaking like an old japanese lady, they'll bust a nut.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cement in stone he can't keep up with sonic without the boots.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Turn him into Mao Mao (Heroes of Pure Heart) an actual charming Batman who enjoys his job(unlike Batman). He'd have great chemistry with Sonic's more Peter Pan-ish personality, unlike Piccolo/Knuckles, Vegeta and the stereotype that is Rouge(Rouge doesn't get surprised, shocked, intimidated by most things which makes for a boring character)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>How do you make Shadow into more of a character?
Play him for laughs like Boom did.
>Play him for laughs like Boom did.
It was only funny if you where a fan of Shadow. To everyone else, was played obtusely straight and narrow [spoilers]and ruined Boom for it[/spoilers]
like the anon ealier in the thread said, he's essentally a discount pre-development Vegeta at this point. I always felt like if they really wanted to parallel Vegeta's character arc, they need to give him a reason to want to protect and fight for others. He obviously doesn't need a romantic partner, but just any form of relationship that may give him more reason to open up and portray a softer side. If they want they can even draw parrels to his relationship with Maria and make it as though this new relationship has given him back the motivations to protect others that he lost with Maria. I don't really know, I'm just bullshiting, but that could work if done right
>they want they can even draw parrels to his relationship with Maria and make it as though this new relationship has given him back the motivations to protect others that he lost with Maria.
He had this with Hope Kintobor in Archie.
But "Archie sux" or so the saying goes, so that's out of the way
Sorta but less because of the redesign and more because of the "realification" of the Sonic aesthetic and basically dumping everything that made Sonic unique to become more generic.
>the "realification" of the Sonic aesthetic and basically dumping everything that made Sonic unique to become more generic.
THIS
>Still make 06' technically cannon >Decide to retcon the single thing 06' did correctly which was Shadow's development
At a certain point the conspiracy that Sonic Team is going out of there way to ruin Sonic as much as they can looks more and more believable.
>Sonic Team is going out of there way to ruin Sonic as much as they can looks more and more believable.
Being forced to keep working on Sonic non-stop would make even the sanest man a bit bitter at the hedgehog. Hell, this was a thing since Naka's days on the Genesis.
Sonic was just a means to an end for Sonic Team to get more work and develop clout at SEGA, he was never meant to be their main source of income.
Sega has one chance to be faster than Dragon Ball Super by introducing Dark Sonic either in the comics or in Prime. DBS already showed that ultra instinct has a dark side to it, but it was very subtle and they didn't further explain what happened, it will probably come later when Goku masters ultra instinct.
They could also further expand on chaos energy if they weren't such talentless hacks. DBS is already pointing to the fact Broly was using a form of God energy all along and there's many more God techniques than just ultra instinct.
so is shadow >a secret experimental hedgehog from Robotnik's grandfather who was best friends with a girl who the Government killed and now is a surly loner who seeks to prove he's the ultimate life form and better than sonic in every way
like Blaze >a princess from an alternate dimension who has her own emerald like the chaos emeralds but different called the Sol Emeralds (original donut steel) and hangs out with a time traveling hedgehog to stop the world from ending
desu, you can make anything sound stupid if you remove it from context
Yes. Same reason why DBS Goku is an awful character. Having the main character be this invincible god-like manchild that does nothing but bring danger to appease their boredom sounds like a horror story. Sonic has more plot armor than Goku too, at least Goku can lose.
I honestly don't know what the frick brings an executive to believe something like that >Ah yes, you can write a COMIC this character WHO FIGHTS VILLAINS, but he can't ever, ever lose
Like, why the frick even have a comic then?
>but he can't ever, ever lose
That's just demonstrably not true though, so what the frick brings an anon to believe something like that?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because it's literally an mandate in IDW Sonic nowadays? They have a fricking kajillion of them, and one of them is that sonic and team can't ever, ever lose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
For a series where they can't ever, ever lose, they sure did, did lose, repeated times through zombots
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shadow, for one, was mandated specifically to lose. Sonic, however, is mandated to always win.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait Shadow has to lose?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sega's mandate is that Shadow must be an overly confident, smug jerk who keeps getting his ass handed to him as punishment. Vegeta, basically.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Except that's a lie, the second half at least. He has to be confident and prideful. There's no mandate that he must lose- Ian wants to make him lose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What's Evan's excuse?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Who said anything about excuses? Shadow is a powerful character, so making him lose to the zombies is impactful, and Ian just stumbled in the how because he didn't get to do it how he planned. Evan had him lose temporarily against Starline because if not, the plot wouldn't continue at all- and because it helps sell Starline, in theory.
You're complaining about mandates when you should be complaining about a temporary instance of Shadow being treated like Worf- "he's powerful, so if the new threat beats him, the new threat is established as powerful".
Read up on how Shadow got infected in #19.
I have. Ian always wanted him to lose. The manner in which he did got changed.
Sonic and Teams cannot lose. Some characters getting temporarily infected by the Zombot virus is not losing.
Also, Ian said he wanted Shadow to actually fight more instead of going out like a moronic chump. But SEGA wants to write him like the Bejita meme.
So can characters lose or not? You're complaining Shadow lost (again, because Ian wanted), but then complaining characters can't lose, but then that Shadow's mandated to lose. Also very convenient that when Shadow gets infected that's losing, but when Charmy gets infected or so on that's just "a temporary infection".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shadow is an powerful character that was mandated to lose like a chump, characters like sonic aren't allowed lose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What do you mean by losing? Losing fights or not being able to save the day?
2 years ago
Boco
Lose fights. And get infected, then ignore perfectly useful advice to fight it off.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I mean that sonic can't lose.
They won't allow a villain like Surge or Nega or Metal or Zavok or whoever the frick to defeat him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He was mandated to lose LIKE A CHUMP. He wasn't mandated TO LOSE. See the difference?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So can characters lose or not?
>Q:Does the "Sonic can't lose"rule mean that he can't suffer a permanent loss but can go through hard times but come back from it?
Yes, exactly. They can't have him lose lose forever and always because obviously that would be the end of the book. But he can have momentary setbacks. One of the best examples of that was in Archie issue 175 where Eggman wins unequivocally but Sonic was still planned to win in the end.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh hey look at that, the word "forever", which you've been repeatedly not using. How curious, turns out the rule isn't "Sonic can't lose", it's "this is a children's book and Sonic is the hero, so while he can lose in a smaller scale, be defeated at a temporary scale, at the end of the story, he wins".
If you have a problem with even this, then you're just being a moron who somehow thinks this is the sort of franchise where the heroes permanently lose. Reminder not even Dragonball is that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sonic literally doesn't lose. Not in the IDW comics, anyway. The closest thing was when he had to keep running around to burn off the metal virus.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He did a frickton of losing during the Zombot arc
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope, his friends were the ones losing. Reread the story, Sonic doesn’t lose once.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Reread Story >Eggman gets away at Barricade Town and Sonic accidentally breaks his biometric scanner
I'd say that's a loss
2 years ago
Anonymous
Read up on how Shadow got infected in #19.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Except that's a lie, the second half at least. He has to be confident and prideful. There's no mandate that he must lose- Ian wants to make him lose.
It must really suck to be a Shadow fan. Does Silver have any mandates?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Does Silver have any mandates?
His future must be kept vague and undefined.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So he can't have any world building? That sucks
2 years ago
Anonymous
Source on those mandates?
Anon's ass.
I know misinfo gets spread around alot but you should atleast wait before discounting it.
>Q:Does SEGA has ever given you some pointers or difficulties on how Silver's future need to be portrayed?
With the end of the Metal Virus saga, Ian purposefully scripted the bit in Silver's future to see what kind of notes he would get. They were very specific in that it was what they refer to as the "Blue skies future", where things are good, lovely and restored. The original draft of that scene had a more in-depth city scene to show what life was like at that time but they were asked to scale it back and not put too much detail on that era, which is why it's a distant shot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Source on those mandates?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon's ass.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ian's podcasts.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, give actual source. Timestamp, episode.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>overly confident, smug jerk
Shadow always had these qualities, it just didn't make up his entire personality back then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, it does now. Sega wants him to be in a never ending dick measuring contest with Sonic and an butthole to everyone else.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, Ian always wanted him to lose, it's the manner in which it happened that he was asked to change. And hold on, is Shadow not "Sonic and team" now? Can they lose or can't they lose? Is the repeated characters getting infected not losing? Do you actually know what you're talking about, or are you repeating random shit you heard other random anons talk about in threads like this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sonic and Teams cannot lose. Some characters getting temporarily infected by the Zombot virus is not losing.
Also, Ian said he wanted Shadow to actually fight more instead of going out like a moronic chump. But SEGA wants to write him like the Bejita meme.
2 years ago
Anonymous
People like to point to that arc as an example that Sonic can lose but he never does. He never loses, he just doesn’t win immediately. His friends lose and that bums Sonic out but he never succumbs to the virus himself. He never jobs out to the virus like Shadow did.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Notice how Sonic and Tails specifically do not get turns into one
Others aren’t invincible, they are
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tails did get turned into one, on Angel Island he jobbed to the Chao and cowered like in Forces for Sonic to save him
That "can never lose" mandate applies specifically to Sonic, not to Tails
2 years ago
Anonymous
>sonic and team can't ever, ever lose.
Spider-Man never lost, what is your point?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Spider-Man never lost
The frick are you on?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He won in the end, read the comic, he never lost
2 years ago
Anonymous
Spider-man does lose, gets saved by another hero, or pounded into the dirt before pulling a victory by the skin of his teeth.
Sonic at worst comes off tired or barely trying for his. Mandates however are a grey area since Ian only hints at them and there are no 10 commandments written anywhere.
Season 1 of One Punch Man is pretty good, you can write a story with an unstoppable protagonist, it's just difficult to do so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's different, the entire plot of One Punch Man is set around Saitama being, you know, the one punch man. Which is why Saitama rarely even fights at all. OPM is much more about the characters around saitama than he himself.
Sonic, on the other hand, is always the main hero who personally fights the antagonists. So when he literally can't be defeated by legal madnate because of moronic executives, that just kinda ruins any tension.
Like, look at #50. Even the people who like it agree that it's a massive disappointment, and a big part of that is because Sonic and Surge's fight was fricking boring - they hyped her for several issues, and then all she does is hit him like, twice, without even leaving a mark, and then lose.
>Retconned Rotor's homosexuality >Pushed it onto Nicole and Sally in the reboot >Doing it again for Whisper and Tangle
Godammit you smug bastard, where's our homosexual male Sonic rep?
Ian didn't "retcon" Rotor's homosexuality, he just choose not to use Penders' planned plot that involved Robotnik blackmailing Rotor to sabatoge Freedom Fighter efforts or else he'd reveal Rotor's homosexuality to the other Freedom Fighters.
But yeah no there are a disproportionately large amount of alphabet females compared to alphabet males in the Sonic comics. I still full expect the bird DJs to be revealed to be a gay couple in time in IDW though.
>But yeah no there are a disproportionately large amount of alphabet females compared to alphabet males in the Sonic comics.
None of them officially recognized as such though.
He never cried about this. To my memory, Rotorgay said he doesn't mind/would like if he was gay, but otherwise never affirmed as such it was top priority. I had seen him commenting before that he doesn't either like any of Penders bullshit on Rotor.
Nobody can post that much gay porn and still claim to be neutral on his sexuality. I hate that avatar homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have to be pretty moronic to latch on your poorly half-assed assumption that you must want a character to be of different sexuality just because you fap to one. That sounds like projection in your part.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He does nothing but post gay porn, writes massive fricking textblocks on how hot he is and you expect me to believe that he doesn’t actually care? Frick off moron stop whiteknighting for that literal homosexual attention prostitute.
2 years ago
Anonymous
t. butthurt Tanglegay ban evading right now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That moron’s an avatargay too, any attention prostitute that posts with a huge tell like that doesn’t belong on an anonymous board and rightfully get banned.
Didn't stop him from trying to argue Rotor was technically gay because of his dialogue, whatever the frick that means.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I had spoke onces of this matter, but you might have gotten your memories wrong, apologizes. I didn't "argue". That'd be implying I'm in the favoring stance over something. Rotor or anybody else being gay is really the least I want for my favorite character, and you would think as much if you were in my shoes.
For clarification, it was to merely make an observation. Nothing more than it, a silly point for trivia's sake. I was meaning to mention you could see how Rotor was perhaps of homosexualry through two throw-away words picked from the exuberance of wordiness and verbosity that the certain charlatan writer would drug himself with. That was my intention, independent of what do I think about a walrus benefiting as homosexual or not, from a comic book about a quickstep wienery hedgehog.
Hopefully, that's all clear! I'd love for us to talk more, but thread's about to die, so don't hesitate to bring this up again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
wow
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yup, that's Jon Gray's ancient scribbles! He was a really good charming artist, moreso in his early works.
>Penders' planned plot that involved Robotnik blackmailing Rotor to sabatoge Freedom Fighter efforts or else he'd reveal Rotor's homosexuality to the other Freedom Fighters.
I believe that because I can't believe you made that shit up.
>Rotor is the only adult in the right because not one female character ever showed interest in him in the comics
Please correct me if I'm wrong, did any, ANY female show interests in him?
He barely shows up in the comic in general. He got written out of the main cast several times. He didn’t have much relationships in general outside of his family and I guess his team mates show friendship to him but that’s about it.
No, but why would they? He's pretty much fat and ugly (he starts looking like he's a grandparent in later issues).
He barely shows up in the comic in general. He got written out of the main cast several times. He didn’t have much relationships in general outside of his family and I guess his team mates show friendship to him but that’s about it.
I think it was no secret that he was the least favorite character to the writers.
>Robotnik blackmailing Rotor to sabatoge Freedom Fighter efforts or else he'd reveal Rotor's homosexuality to the other Freedom Fighters >if Penders hadn't sued Archie and made Sega start enforcing stricter punishments on Archie, we could've gotten this stupid fricking joke of a plotline >Archie sonic would've gone full Marvel 2013/4/5 sjw had Sega not stepped in to curb this shit and eventually pull the plug on the comic to restart with a stricter plotline closer to canon
there are very few good things to say about Ken penders
but him accidentally making Sega keep a tighter leash on Ian and the American writing crew is one of the few good things he's ever done
Ian didn't "retcon" Rotor's homosexuality, he just choose not to use Penders' planned plot that involved Robotnik blackmailing Rotor to sabatoge Freedom Fighter efforts or else he'd reveal Rotor's homosexuality to the other Freedom Fighters.
But yeah no there are a disproportionately large amount of alphabet females compared to alphabet males in the Sonic comics. I still full expect the bird DJs to be revealed to be a gay couple in time in IDW though.
Pretty sure Ian implied it in his first MXYL story, when Rotor's torn up cause his bf Cobar was killed, so really Ian was the first one to make Rotor gay in the comics instead of planning to just for a homophobia subplot >not canon, alternate universe
I know but I don't think characters' sexuality changes just because of differences in the timeline
cuz its only when she's completely demolished physically, emotionally, and mentally, that I can swoop in to clean up the mess that is her life and become the savior she needs
I wonder if Kit's gonna try bail tails the moment he can or will actually start to like him. maybe both?
Also doesn't Whisper want to kill eggman? What would her reaction be if Surge told her Sonic wouldn't let her?
>Also doesn't Whisper want to kill eggman? What would her reaction be if Surge told her Sonic wouldn't let her?
That was a one-time moment that happened while she was under massive stress from losing Tangle. She doesn’t show any kind of major rage the next time she fights Eggman at the party.
Also she let Mimic live, she’s just as big a moralgay as Sonic is.
I said it always kinda was. Collecting magical rocks, Super Transformations and boys from the future. It's just Sonic never took character dynamics from DB iirc
>Vegeta the Edgehog
I'm honestly tired of this meme, if Shadow was half the character Vegeta is, then for sure he would be an actual character... at least, compare him to Sasuke or another of those other emo rival shits
>at least, compare him to Sasuke or another of those other emo rival shits
You're right of course.
But try telling that to Izuka.
Apparently Sonic Team doesn't read Naruto or One Piece.
>So does Sega want Sonic to be Dragon Ball?
Unfortunately yes. Always.
It';s why we keep getting dumb characters like Vegeta the Edgehog & Jedi Princess Trunks.
Which is sad, because that's so old school for a children's franchise trying to be "cool" and shit.
You'd think they borrow more from My Hero, Demon Slayer or something more relevant to kids of today.
Nope, more stupid fighting space monkeys from the 80s.
>"Relevant" is fast money. "Familiar" is long money
Which is why they're about to make a new game that's already too late on copying Breath of The Wild & Xenoblade as opposed to the more "familiar" and successful idea of making Sonic Mania 2.
Dragon Ball is still popular with kids.
>Dragon Ball is still popular with kids.
DBZ is popular with kids in the same way other boomer properties are popular with them - old people forcing their likes onto the new generation.
>DBZ is popular with kids in the same way other boomer properties are popular with them - old people forcing their likes onto the new generation.
DBS was one of the top rated shows in Japan. DB is one the few properties with timelessness which is why it blew up my little cousin's generation when Kai came out.
Your financial skills are below zero. "Relevant" is fast money. "Familiar" is long money. They're planning a racing game for 2027 while you're spitting nonsense like this.
>My Hero
The only character worth a damn is Allmight and anyone with potential gets no screentime, everyone in the spotlight its just shit, JUST SHIT!
The girls are top tier but they also get no screentime
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It's because they're not actually brothers, they're just mentioned as being "close as brothers" in like 2 manuals. Outside of Western media Sonic isn't even that concerned with Tails, he's just a friend he lets tag along without paying him much mind - like everyone else basically is.
>It's because they're not actually brothers
It's not like you need to be blood related in Japan to call the man you look up to Aniki (or in less cases Oniichan), though.
It's a very common trope in shonen, so I'm honestly surprised they didn't do it starting in SA.
Because like I said, they're not actual brothers or even brotherly in manner. Even in the butchered English translations they never call eachother "brother" or "bro", it's "pal" and "buddy" and shit. They're just friends.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they're not actual brothers or even brotherly in manner.
And I repeat, that's not mandatory for someone in a shonen to call an older character they look up to "Aniki" and the like.
And, look, I'm not even saying I want Tails to call Sonic as such. Between the jump from Classic to Modern, given Tails still ideolized Sonic, I'm just surprised the Japs did not made that decision.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they're not actual brothers or even brotherly in manner.
And I repeat, that's not mandatory for someone in a shonen to call an older character they look up to "Aniki" and the like.
And, look, I'm not even saying I want Tails to call Sonic as such. Between the jump from Classic to Modern, given Tails still ideolized Sonic, I'm just surprised the Japs did not made that decision.
Aniki translates as brother, as that is indeed one of the many ways to refer to your actual older brother, even your brothers in law in Japanese.
However, the term is also used in media by young characters who look up to a relatively older character who belongs to their own circles (say, a gang, clubs, or someone you know from a hobby). You can say it is a more bold way to refer to a "senpai" of yours, only more bold as it implies closeness.
Their relationship is not necessarily described as sibling-like, but is one of respect towards the other party.
>Outside of Western media Sonic isn't even that concerned with Tails, he's just a friend he lets tag along without paying him much mind
"A kind-hearted little fox with two tails, his real name is Myles Pauer, also known as Tails.
He can fly by spinning his tail. When he was bullied by everyone for having two tails, he was encouraged by the sight of Sonic running by chance, and since then, he has always admired Sonic and has never left his side.
He loves to tinker with machines and develop various kinds of mechanisms. Although he is a cute little brother to Sonic, Tails himself hopes to one day become someone that Sonic can rely on. Using his abilities, he always supports Sonic's activities."
t. Sonic Channel's Tails Profile
>Although he is a cute little brother to Sonic, Tails himself hopes to one day become someone that Sonic can rely on. >ソニックにとってはかわいい弟分だが、テイルス自身はいつかソニックに頼られるような存在になりたいと願っている。
Let me give you a hand, the translation is fairly accurate. The key word is 弟分 (Otoutobun), which is a word used to describe a friend who you treat as a younger brother.
For people who didn't like Surge getting her shit kicked in there you go
I am not seeing any Belle which is good but I'm not seeing any Kit which is not good, wonder where the other covers for 53 are
I know there's no way in a million years that they'd ever do it but it turning out that Tails really did accidentally kill him with that trick would be an amazing plot development.
It'd be a weirdly on-point escalation of the entire struggle up to this point, though.
>"Sonic, you are a pussy b***h! Kill Robotnik so he doesn't come back next time!"
>"No, Green Shadow-expy. Killing is wrong."
>tails kills surge's brother essentially by accident and nobody even notices until surge bothers to ask where he is, at which point she goes looking for him, finds his fricking body, and suddenly has an actual vendetta against sonic et al rather than against the concept of them, ironically because they did the thing she was mad at them for never doing
It'll never happen though because comic writers are cowards
No Also am I the only one old enough to know and have made friends with this British thot? I can't believe it's been like 15 years - we're all going to be 40 soon
>Becky
Holy shit this brings back memories... I knew her, as "followed her on DA" goes... so what happened to her?
Did she matured enough to realize how dumb having a Sonic OC is? Or did she just moved on to another fandom?
(But what I want to know if she's doing fine and if she is healthy).
I never really thought about it, but given rumors of Ian not wanting to use Shadow until the suits lighten up on their novel-length mandates I believe it.
[...] >Purity The Hedgehog
That takes me back.
>Becky
Holy shit this brings back memories... I knew her, as "followed her on DA" goes... so what happened to her?
Did she matured enough to realize how dumb having a Sonic OC is? Or did she just moved on to another fandom?
(But what I want to know if she's doing fine and if she is healthy).
>But what I want to know if she's doing fine and if she is healthy
https://twitter.com/MoiraAunty
She's still around, though Becky got a redesign and is strictly called Purity now.
I believe we (as in 90% of us) can agree on: >It's ok for an IP derived media to have guidelines in order to keep and protect the spirit of the IP >It is not ok for an IP derived media to have mandates that hinder any creativity to the point they don't even protect the spirit of the IP.
So, as much as we may hate Sega for the mandates... what is the reason they went first slow but steady in post-reboot and now full in IDW?
I doubt they did it out of pure malice towards the franchise... or at least, I want to doubt.
IDW is different because it's directly overseen by SEGA and translated and published in Japan. Unlike in IDW which was a purely SOA thing published only in America. If Archie was SOJ allowing the americans to use their characters in their american fanfiction, IDW is SOJ making their own Sonic comic.
This hasn't been the case for literal decades and you know this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It wasn’t even the case when Sonic was first created. Sonic was always intended to be edgy and cool. Sonic being some adorable wacky cartoon mascot is a creation made by zoomers.
2 years ago
Boco
Well the zoomers did something right then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gargle more dicks
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's still a rubberhose design with anime hair.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The charm of Sonic is seeing the contrast of this thing that looks like a wacky cartoon mascot follow a Shonen story. Making him a genuine wacky cartoon mascot completely misses the point of the character. It’s like removing all of Ace Attorney’s dark moments because it has a cartoony look.
Stop trying to turn Sonic into something he’s not. Go play Crash Bandicoot if you want le wacky cartoon bullshit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Go play Crash Bandicoot if you want le wacky cartoon bullshit.
I would, but he's buried under the rubble of Activision-Blizzard.
Can't the nippon homies at SEGA just multiverse this shit and let me have an AOSTH style Sonic game in the vein of Rayman Origins?
2 years ago
Anonymous
With the current state of the franchise Sega is gonna play everything as safe as possible for a long time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Points out (original) Sonic looks like a cartoon character >yOu JuSt WaNt HiM tO bE lOoNeY tUnEs
Everytime
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because it's true everytime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm actually old enough to remember when the SatAM/Archie version of Sonic was seen as the definitive version in the west and AoStH was just this gimpy little cartoon no-one cared about. In fact a lot of the b***hing in 2000's was how much more serious and/or better western Sonic was compared to what was being given to us in the games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Sonic being some adorable wacky cartoon mascot is a creation made by zoomers.
Nah, blame AoSTH and the SOA adverts for birthing this idea of wacky cartoony Sonic.
And all was right in the world until SOJ had to win their pathetic pissing contest. Now Sonic is just for autistic weebs.
At this point, frick the balance - Sonic should just go full animu & be happy being sold right next to Trails of Cold Dick & Fire Emblem Sex Houses.
Okay so like hear me out!
Here's how you ACTUALLY save Sonic in Japan and literally everywhere else >Change all male to female >They all want human boyfriends
Done. Literally nothing else needed
Japan naturally hates Felix the cat and furries. Actually how is the italian plumber performing in Japan? I take it he's more popular with the younger children and the fanbase is saner?
>IDW is different because it's directly overseen by SEGA
No it isn't, none of IDW's properties are "directly overseen" whether it's Sonautism, Transformautismers or My Little Autism
all characters, plots, issues and stories have to be pitched directly to Iizuka. They even oversee the linework and tell Yardley to adjust it accordingly if they don't like it. It's absolutely overseen by them
>They even oversee the linework and tell Yardley to adjust it accordingly if they don't like it. It's absolutely overseen by them
At this point one has to wonder: If they are so obssessed to make sure that Sonic matches their standards, why even bother hiring an overseas company? Why not just go to your standard mangaka, pay him a fraction of what you pay the Americans and let him do it all Japanese style.
Heck, with modern technology and publishing stunt, you can even make dual release overseas by just hiring a translator. Shonen is doing that shit already.
>why even bother hiring an overseas company?
They like the staff for a ongoing comic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>lack*
2 years ago
Anonymous
>lack*
>They lack the staff for an ongoing comic.
In Japan? I highly doubt it...
2 years ago
Anonymous
Much easier to have someone pay you to make a comic than for you to build a team and pay them to make the comic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But, even so, then why relay on an overseas publisher when Japan is filled with publishers they could hire to do all the work?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, I don't think you're understanding here. In this arrangement, Sega gets paid while the other way they have to spend money.
2 years ago
Anonymous
IDW pays SEGA for the licence, that's how licencing works.
>In this arrangement, Sega gets paid while the other way they have to spend money.
Okay, that's the part that was completely skipping my mind. I kneel.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Happens to the best of us.
However now I think about it, what it does demonstrate (again) is how much more popular Sonic is in the west if we're not getting any manga deals in Japan.
2 years ago
Anonymous
IDW pays SEGA for the licence, that's how licencing works.
The only good Sonic show was SatAm which was just any 86s-90s rebellion story like Biker Mice From Mars, Star Wars, etc.
Sonic X tried to do a weird mix of slice of life and adventure in the first season then moved slightly towards action then went full on space opera in season 3.
Sonic Boom was just Seinfeld with Sonic. It was more boring than Family Guy and Fairly Odd Parents.
>Sonic X tried to do a weird mix of slice of life and adventure in the first season then moved slightly towards action then went full on space opera in season 3.
Sonic X should just have been a full adaptation of the Classic games (only portrayed with the modern designs, because... well, that's the aim at the time), followed by the adaptation of Adventure 1, 2, Heroes and whatever other game was available at the time, with some filler episodes in between games when needed to, literally, fill in the gaps.
It was Sega's BIG CHANCE to make a single continuity of Sonic, instead of the absolute disaster we currently have. And it is sad, because, forced Chris aside, I do think the SA and SA2 arcs are the best part of Sonic X original two seasons, but that's 12 episode of a 52 run.
Shadow would be cooler as an actual triple agent demon like Samir Duran. Except ye know a full-time moustache-twirling villain instead of an antihero. I really liked him when he was smiling, enjoying the fight and being elegant. Instead they did the same exact problem with Vegeta. From the elegant arrogant prince to the lowly antisocial angry jobber like Knuckles.
Sorta but less because of the redesign and more because of the "realification" of the Sonic aesthetic and basically dumping everything that made Sonic unique to become more generic.
> Hypnotism messes up her world view > Sheltered for most of her life > Hates Sonic > Wants to replace him as the God-like savior of the world > Has green hair > will absolutely frick her mom at some point
>A character made by Evan Stansley ends up being a woke character
What a surprise... this is exactly why the single, unique positive trait the fricking mandates have is keeping her and the like in control...
Because Evan Stanley is woke beyond redemption. Not even a shitpost, she really is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because Evan Stanley is woke beyond redemption. Not even a shitpost, she really is.
This. Don't kid yourselves anons, if Evan ever got the chance she would make Sonic and everyone else in the cast woke.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She did craft a moment between Sonic and Shadow to have "romantic undertones" by her own admission, and she did make them a bisexual polyamorous couple along with Tikal in her personal webcomic.
>which is why she keeps coming up with new females to be Silver's new "companion"
For the last time, Evan did not create Whisper, she simply did the design and they had only two times where they appeared together, both under Ian's pen. Stop this conspiracy bullshit.
Characters with worlds that can't be expanded upon until Sega does and they likely never will. So they just hang out or show up briefly. As a couple? Just really good friends that you can assume will get together eventually if not for them being Sonic characters so it'll likely never happen.
Silver comes from the future either to stop a disaster or to hang out with guys from the past (which is probably the cause of the disasters he has to stop as it changes the timeline).
Blaze is the ruler of a kingdom in an alternate dimension and the guardian of the Sol Emeralds. Yes, the monarchy is ruled by a princess instead of a king or a queen, don't think about it too hard.
That's moronic, Nega is just Eggman's ancestor from the future who wants to destroy all of existence, hence him fricking with the Camera, the Ifrit, the Sol Emeralds and israeliteeled Scepter.
My guess is 06 and the Rush games had different writers and 06's writer either didn't give a shit or just straight up rejected their setting and deliberately chose to contradict it.
>06's writer either didn't give a shit or just straight up rejected their setting and deliberately chose to contradict it.
That, or Sega just went and told them:
>"Oh, remember the fire cat princess from another dimension from the Rush game? Add her to the plot, she seems popular enough"
And making her part of Silver's future was the best they could come up with without making the plot even more convoluted.
>Hey Amy, if you want to keep coming on adventures with me you need to speed up! Come on I'll get you going.
S-Sonic we're going too fast, my legs are getting tired...! >That's not radical Amy! Let's kick it up a notch!
*Amy is now being dragged behind the blue blur screaming in terror, the ground has begun scraping off her fur and skin* >That's a LITTLE better! You might even be able to keep up with tails after this. Time to go SUPER SPEED!
*The chaos emeralds transform Sonic into his super form as he breaks light speed, reducing Amy's flaming skeleton to dust and igniting the atmosphere ending all life on the planet*
If Sonic is inspired from Goku which is inspired from Sun Wukong then ... Shadow is literally Sonic's Shadow/Macaque, a parrot. You could inspire Shadow more from Macaque instead of Vegeta.
Sun Wukong is also suppose to be a trickster type.
I don't get where Comic Sonic's no kill policy came from. Sure in the games he doesn't go out of his way to slit Eggman's throat but it's not as if he pulled his punches. Eggman's just exceedingly good at surviving situations he logically shouldn't. Sonic shot right through Dark Gaia's face. He had no idea King Arthur was a construct when he killed him. He (and Shadow) killed the Biolizard.
It's not really his style to hunt someone down and tear out their lungs, but he's not exactly a saint either.
It's mostly how IDW Sonic has a hard-on for redemption. I still don't know why he released Metal Sonic when they had him held because of what he did as Neo Metal. Metal tried to kill everyone, they fixed him, and then let him go. Meanwhile Rough and Tumble go to jail and stay there until Starline breaks them out. I have no problem with Sonic not killing anyone, I just have a problem with him playing catch and release with Eggman and Metal.
Which is weird because in the games, Sonic normally isn'y very gentle with Metal Sonic. Metal almost never escapes his encounters with Sonic in any state to move. Sonic thrashes him and leaves him for dead. There was that one exception in Sonic Heroes, I guess.
Your examples are two monsters threatening imminent worldwide extermination and one where he didn't actually kill anyone and never attempted it with anyone else, even Merlina.
Intent matters. Sonic generally doesn't hold back except in specific scenarios. I mean do you really think when he caused Eghman's Death star to explode he did so with the intent of keeping Eggman alive? No. Eggman's survival in any encounter with Sonic is always due to his own foresight, rather than becomes Sonic deliberately tried to explode him as gently as possible.
>Intent matters
And the intent is he never kills people. I'm tired of people using a spin-off game to paint the perception for the whole series when it doesn't accurately represent the character. Sonic destroys the mech or ship and moves on, that's it. Sonic has no interest in eliminating Eggman as evidenced by multiple times in the main games they've been together and Sonic just ignores him.
Nobody even acknowledges her existence in 06, she may as well be Silver's tulpa, the only narrative reason she has to exist in the narrative of 06 is to fricking die so Iblis can be stopped. Her death doesn't even make sense because Elise, a normal human, survived with Iblis sealed into her for until she died from the Egg Carrier crashing, which also makes no sense because Eggman could just hop into the Egg Wyvern to save her and himself which could prolong the apocalyptic future Iblis causes by several fricking decades.
The comics feel like a mix of the Looney Tunes cartoon, Underground and SatAm. IDW feels almost like an even cheesier SatAM (basically Underground, where they threw everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink)
Something I'd see in Superman where almost every event is an end of the world scenario where Superman has to deal with the fact those he loves are dying or are going to die.
You guys want a test in imagination? Tell me what each song makes you feel and what ideas you associate with it; dialogue, scenes, smells, life lessons, themes, atmosphere, settings, etc.
I hate most of Sonic's music I find it generic 5 second looped noise stuck on repeat, however there is one theme that stuck out to me which everybody seems to have thought fit perfectly well with an ancient mysterious temple when for me it was something a little more dark.
It's pathetic how writers these days don't even bother using music for their inspiration or rather they listen only to trash or rather any music they listen to doesn't evoke anything from their brains despite sound notes making our brains brim with ideas.
So anyway when I heard this theme I thought it was Sonic & Tails dying, DyING, in the process of dying. I'm thinking of a malady, a biological virus or a bunch of fungi and green or purple underground area which Sonic & Tails cannot escape from, maybe even a desert. It sounds very grave and tragic, not sure everyone gets the "mysterious temple" part from when they didn't even know it was from hidden palace zone originally or what it looked like.
In the games, Sonic's general attitude towards Eggman appears to be something along the lines of >Oh, Eggman exploded. Guess he's dead. >Oh wait, he's not dead. Don't that beat all? >He's getting away. I think I'll throw this rock at him to explode him again, just to spite him. >He survived that too, dude's tough. >Well I'd say that he couldn't possibly survive that, but who am I kidding?
I can't recall any instances where Sonic went out of his way to save Eggman in the games either, much less absolve him of his crimes. Rather, Sonic generally just doesn't seem to care much whether Eggman lives or dies at all.
I can't help but wonder if all this discourse since issue 50 will result in actions being taken on Sega or IDW's part, because holy shit nobody can shut up about it.
I doubt it, just another hands off approach as always. I would have fired Ian Flynn on the spot for making Shadow become a jobber and start shoving in OCs because he refuses to write my characters correctly.
Sega cares about Sonic about as much as 21st century fox cares about the Alien franchise which is 0.1% "throw it a bone there, but don't waste too much money on it and don't give a shit to micromanage it for quality control".
>have we gone back a few years when anons just blamed everything on Ian for no reason?
gone back a few years would imply they stopped doing it at some point...
I hate sonic but man you give a b***h teeth like the shells for the .950JDJ rifle and I'll simp for her till the sun explodes. That green marmot or whatever gets me rock hard.
Old term used to refer to Sonic furries when the name "Mobius" was coined to refer to Sonic's World.
Although, technically has no validity in-universe, the term is still widely recognized in the fandom as a simple quick way to refer to the specific Sonic furry characters.
Intent matters. Sonic generally doesn't hold back except in specific scenarios. I mean do you really think when he caused Eghman's Death star to explode he did so with the intent of keeping Eggman alive? No. Eggman's survival in any encounter with Sonic is always due to his own foresight, rather than becomes Sonic deliberately tried to explode him as gently as possible.
When are we getting some order variant as a contrast to chaos? I can see some otherworldly counterpart to Shadow as some enforcer. A white tenrec that uses order control and order blast and order spear. Instead of chaos emeralds, he uses order gems. Call him Light.
>When are we getting some order variant as a contrast to chaos?
It's funny you mention that about Shadow because for all his use of Chaos energy, Shadow is all about keeping things in ORDER in order to protect the world.
>Sega/Sonic wants to be more like DB/DBZ which is just a Journey to the West ripoff. >Sega/Sonic don't even copy the full arsenal of the Monkey King, they almost give Shadow a ranged attack he doesn't use much, but give Sonic jackshit to work with >They also make the golden transformation last way shorter instead of making it a permanent addition like DBZ did. Oh and no kung fu.
Is Sega mentally moronic?
what other inspirations does Sonic have? pinball machines? environmentalism bullshit?
I think they had something cool going on with the illuminati and various /x/ stuff and exotic psychedelic dream stuff. Would had been cool for Sonic to be some 4th dimensional mystery solver, key opener, puzzle solver, exploration-seeking maniac who finds every secret possible like some Harry Potter video game. Bbbut they never went with that angle, too bad sucks to be Sega and sucks to be Sonic.
You know little 6 year old me thought Sonic was just his nickname like Tails and Sonic's real name was Sega to further accentuate how he's literally the company, like if Mickey Mouse's name was Walter Disney.
The wide mouth sometimes a smile that looks like an excited face ready for battle often mistaken as a rape face is often a staple for action protagonists like Alucard and the like. But no I don't remember the comics or any media particularly ever drawing Sonic with a face while he's rolling neither further exaggerate on his wienery grin till it turns into a psycho face.
I think they originally wanted to go with this idea, but as usual they pussywhipped themselves and added Maria at the last second while Adventure 2 was being written.
>but as usual they pussywhipped themselves and added Maria at the last second while Adventure 2 was being written.
I also think someone at Sonic Team wanted to do another Burning Rangers, cuz they used that exact "cute waif is the key to a mystery on a giant space colony set to crash" plot near the end of the game.
This song always felt both soothing and unnerving at the same time, like a twisted mechanical lullaby. Doesn't have the same energy as 3&K's version, but an achievement in its own right.
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Man don't tbother arguing. Modern Sonic fans are a bunch of die-hard weebs that get off on DBZ. They like dumb anime shit like Nazo or That Mario flash thing with Mecha Sonic.
Man, i bet if Sonic starts like speaking like an old japanese lady, they'll bust a nut.
>Based off King Kai's planet. >You don't go to it when you die. There is no king kai, monkey, grasshopper waiting for you there. >It could be any fake 3D sphere stage if you wanted.
God asians are dumb, they don't even copy the things they want correctly.
Imagine if they went with No. 4 design.
3 and 4 look like actual ACTION video game protagonists instead of a toddler's video game like Nuts and Milk or Rayman. >He wanted Sonic to not be so cutesy.
How about not shoving an environmentalist message bullshit down Sonic's throat with a shit ton of baby music playing during the green scenes?
You based Sonic's design off Mickey Mpuse/Oswald/Felix the Cat for fricks sake!! What did you expect? Fritz the Cat attention? Maybe if you actually removed the green message BS and designed him more unhinged he wouldn't be compared to Super Mario as a toddler video game and a pretendo action video game. And give Sonic guns/weapons. Megaman is cute looking but he uses a gun and doesn't free baby bunnies and baby birds from robots.
God asians in general are dumb but Sega's bugmen genuinely think with their abdomens up their mandibles. Godsamn they're stupid as hell. They make Capcom look like a capable company.
You know if they really wanted to sell Sonic as this serious edgy anime-inspired action series, why didn't they do what Capcom did and make Sonic less cartoony & more anthromorphized - similar to how they took Mega Man from Astro boy ripoff to a mehcanical frick boi in X.
Just do what deviantART has been doing for decades and give the most overdesigned furry bait look. So the next Sonic Team wants to create a cringy JRPG plot into their cartoony hedgehog world, at least the little shit will look the part.
I wouldn't be averse to it, I've always kinda preferred Super Sonic's color palette to Sonic's from a design standpoint, red and yellow go with his shoes really well and the blue arms can actually blend into the rest of his body so you don't end up with those really uncomfortable shots of where Sonic's arm and torso meet that make him look like an action figure while also giving him visible shoulders.
All that being said, I could see classic fans hating this version of Sonic even more than the one we actually got, it's quite literally too cool, SEGA would definitely be intimidated by such an aggressive design change.
And don't forget that by SA they were still experimenting with the modern design.
You just need to compare SA and SA2 artworks.
Around which game Uekawa finally settled for a definitive modern style?
Surge as a character, and then the usual spergs common in a Sonic Cinemaphile thread, like "Muh classic good, Yoh modern bad", "Archie vs IDW", "Those pesky mandates", "Ian Flynn: Angel or Demon?", "Who's going to be Evan's next queer character?", and my favourite "Want to know how I know you have never seen DB?"
Out of all the derails the thread had, you complain about the one that lasted barely 15-20 posts and that showed up near the end.
For real, anon? For real?
i'm tired of sonic girls
Why?
homosexual
Gay
You only need one.
>Blaze's officially flat chested and has breast envy
Has this exact pic ever been made with Blaze and, I don't know, Rouge, Amy or other of the official big titted characters?
If not... I might just know what to commission next.
Keep the flat cat coming!
Sadly, I don't have much more flat cat in my Sonic folder. Hopefully, someone else has some they can share.
>*squish*
Poor flat cat.
Maybe if she collected all the chaos emeralds her super form would have double Ds. Poor flat cat can dream at least.
Nice, very nice
What's she so smug about?
If only she actually had a charming witty fun personality.
Hey, at least she has a well written personality, some characters don't even have that.
I like her specifically because she doesn't have a fun charming personality
Surge is way more similar to Shadow than Scourge.Scourge was an bratty asshat who killed his father because he mistreated him, and then turned into an even bigger brat.
Surge was some normal girl who underwent extensive genetic operations to be turned into an bionic supersoldier against sonic. She also has the biodata of both Sonic and Shadow.
>She also has the biodata of both Sonic and Shadow
Wait really? I know she has Sonic's but where is it said she had Shadow's? Did Starline ever even interact or mention Shadow?
Starline got both of their biodata from Metal
There has been no mention of this. Anon is just making shit up.
Hey guys I found Surge's theme song:
She looks more like a Spiderbait Black Betty to me than a Ram Jam Black Betty.
Scourge’s father never mistreated him, he was a saint in fact, and led their world’s “great era of peace”. Scourge was just a spoiled, ungrateful brat who killed his dad because he was always evil, which is why the “one bad day” ripoff line doesn’t make any sense because unlike Batman and Joker, Sonic and Scourge both have amazing lives compared to every single other person on the planet. There was never any reason for why they are that way.
Same thing. Scourge is a brat, that's pretty much it.
Honestly, if anyone's got the right to talk about a 'bad day', it's Surge. Even Shadow had Maria, but Kit is just fricked up as Surge as well, and the only reason he even follows her is because he's brainwashed ot.
>which is why the “one bad day” ripoff line doesn’t make any sense
Scourge used that on Sonic to say he was pretty close to being like Scourge. That's why Sonic said the opposite could be true for Scourge having a good day or whatever and being more like Sonic. They're both on the verge of switching sides and knowing Ian and his corruption fetish, I can see him really wanting to push that.
>They're both on the verge of switching sides
Not really, that goes against the entire point of Sonic.
Not exactly. Sonic was getting fed up with stuff happening at New Mobotropolis and he gets more defiant later on. That's why Scourge's words bothered him. Of course he's not going to go bad or anything but it was just the possibility that was supposed to worry him. Sally managed to help him get through some of that and when the council became more unbearable she got control of the FF back but then she got roboticized and Sonic's attitude went to anger and depression. He probably would've returned to his not as pissed self when he got her back but the reboot happened and that wiped away a lot of his problems.
>Scourge’s father never mistreated him, he was a saint in fact, and led their world’s “great era of peace”.
The era of peace was fell apart quickly and the reason Scourge had it out for his father was because he was an absentee parent.
No he didn't anon, you literally made that up. That or you've suffered some form of the Mandela effect. Scourge doesn't once ever say or imply he was "absentee", the one and only time we see him he's side by side with little Scourge. Scourge killed him because Scourge was evil. It was the typical "you're weak old man, I'm the future!" bullshit from a moron with no redeeming qualities or prior justification.
>No he didn't anon, you literally made that up.
If you're going to call someone a liar, do your homework first.
>the one and only time we see him he's side by side with little Scourge
Ignoring him while basking in the praise from the public. Scourge looks sad and lonely and he's tugging on his dad's cape but is simply being ignored. The intention was clear that Anti-Jules didn't spend tie with his son which led to his resentment of him.
>father doesn't spend much time playing with son
>son fricking murders him
NTA but that's not much better, tbh
I didn't say he was justified in doing it, just that was his reason to do it.
They advertised her as Surge and she kinda almost sorta is until you hear half the words she's saying. She comes off more like a rape victim than an angry dyke lesbian dom.
Shit I meant Scourge.
>dyke lesbian dom
Bro she is literally followed by an custom-made brainwashed simp
It's fine. She'll shove Kit in a skirt. It'll be great.
Wrong, male mobians can't wear pants or anything that covers their legs.
yes please
But they both green anon
I never really thought about it, but given rumors of Ian not wanting to use Shadow until the suits lighten up on their novel-length mandates I believe it.
>Purity The Hedgehog
That takes me back.
>Ian not wanting to use Shadow until the suits lighten up
What's going on with this? And when did it happen?
>What's going on with this? And when did it happen?
Ian has stated he's moved away from writing Shadow because he was tired of all the restrictions on him. That was around the time of the end of Metal Virus.
What even are the restrictions on Shadow?
Generally that he can't grow as a person, have friends or receive any positive development of any kind and has to stay as a mentally stunted, edgy manchild.
that's really stupid and I feel like those restriction are only meant to appeal to comentators who just want to make jokes about how edgy Shadow is. Most fans want to see him become more of a character and we already don't get in in the games, why restrict the comic that litereally has no ties to the games whatsoever?
Because Sega said so, and they want Shadow to be a joke because making him a serious character keeps blowing up in their face.
How do you make Shadow into more of a character? He's a 50 year old overpowered half-alien twin of Sonic whose design is edge incarnate.
Play him for laughs like Boom did.
That's not a character it's a gag, like everything in that show.
And it was still better than anything before or since.
I hope you realize your opinion has the opposite effect. Everyone knows how shit your taste is.
No it wasn't, you moron. It was completely shit on, nobody even thought it was funny.
>How do you make Shadow into more of a character?
He already was.
like the anon ealier in the thread said, he's essentally a discount pre-development Vegeta at this point. I always felt like if they really wanted to parallel Vegeta's character arc, they need to give him a reason to want to protect and fight for others. He obviously doesn't need a romantic partner, but just any form of relationship that may give him more reason to open up and portray a softer side. If they want they can even draw parrels to his relationship with Maria and make it as though this new relationship has given him back the motivations to protect others that he lost with Maria. I don't really know, I'm just bullshiting, but that could work if done right
Team Dark is literally right there.
They're not a team. They aren't even friends. 'Team Dark' is simply a marketing term.
>They're not a team.
Yes. They work together from time to time. And usually when the situation demands it.
>They aren't even friends.
Debatable. Despite what Iizuka says. Even if not "friends", they are still allies and people who trust in each other and are willing to work with.
>'Team Dark' is simply a marketing term.
Absolutely right. Their group has no name.
>Debatable. Despite what Iizuka says. Even if not "friends", they are still allies and people who trust in each other and are willing to work with.
Not anymore.
Haha yes anon I know. Literally not the point.
>Still make 06' technically cannon
>Decide to retcon the single thing 06' did correctly which was Shadow's development
At a certain point the conspiracy that Sonic Team is going out of there way to ruin Sonic as much as they can looks more and more believable.
06 isn't canon. Just pretend Sega never made it. They already do.
Mephiles is currently being added to Speed Battle.
>Shade's face when even Mephiles makes the cut
That game, apart from being one of the very few games that is somehow even worse than 06', was the catalyst of a lawsuit that forever changed how SEGA handled giving Sonic to third parties.
It's not hard to see why she will never be seen or refrenced again.
I thought you were talking about Speed Battle
I know, anon... trust me, I know.
Still hurts, but a man can dream though, a man can dream.
>Shade
Good night, sweet echidna princess
How does Mephiles even exist outside that game?
He doesn't, the mobile isn't canon.
Mephiles himself doesn't, but Sonic and Blaze remember him.
Also, just because he doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean you can't officially acknowledge him in any capacity.
I dunno, he was gonna be in Forces before someone made them drop him.
As an Phantom Illusion, which are, according to Shadow, not real. He could've come back as an illusion but doing so would not only be very difficult because barely anyone remembers him as anything but Solaris, but it wouldn't matter because all of the Phantom Illusions fade out of existence when the Phantom Ruby that created them all is destroyed which would mean he could only come back for a boss fight, if that.
The same way Tikal, Gamma and the many variants do.
It's a non-canon game.
>Team Dark
Team Who?
>I always felt like if they really wanted to parallel Vegeta's character arc, they need to give him a reason to want to protect and fight for others
They were, unironically, going with that route in Battle, by making Shadow's goal to protect the planet as Maria wanted. That's why, despite the explanation as to how he returned and had his memories back not being given yet, Battle is easily the best depiction of the character after SA2.
Sure, there are some memetic dialogues here and there, but given how cringe the localization of Battle was on some points, one must excuse the form and focus on the substance.
Then came Heroes, and Shadow the Game and everything started going to shit.
What morons. Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, the list goes on are garbage characters. What was it with Sega and their obsession with DBZ at the time when DBZ was over since the 90s?
And Sonic in the first video games never came off as Goku or Peter Pan, he came off more like a lazy butthole sick with it all ready to go Shadow when he's not having fun anymore.
>Vegeta, Goku, Trunks, the list goes on are garbage characters
By all means, elaborate
Goku is a literal mental moron. He hit his head as a kid.
The rest of the characters are just different degrees of fight-happy buttholes; they're all part of the same archetype with no serious improvements.
And the other characters are boring straightmen who get impressed by everything like Krillin, Gohan, Trunks, Bulma.
The others are boring perverts that make Quagmire look like a 3D character.
Vegeta - starts off arrogant, hopeful and cheeky, actually has a personality at first before they turn him into an angry moron.
Piccolo - Stoic self-righteous idiot who's mostly mute and when he isn't he goes full "For the crimes against King Piccolo I sentence you to death".
Tenshinhan - Ironically more serious less of a weirdo antisocial than the previous two. Stoic, but can still be impressed and fooled by Goku and Master Roshi. He also used to have more of a personality at first before he turns stoic.
Yamcha - kind of a Jack Spicer, used to be a bandit, he used to be the douchebag big bro bully villain to Goku. He's almost like Sonic in a way, just like Goku. Later in the series he still retains his wackiness, but he loses his intelligence and combat effectiveness.
Bulma - annoying bawdb***h of the group who's main goal was to gather the dragon balls to wish for the greatest boyfriend(literally fricking Amy), but she's a scientist to elevate her usefulness.(better than Amy's Tsunade trash punch hard like an ooga booga cause that's definitely feminine, punching like a moron, oohhh booga, we really need angry women to be made fun of and called unfeminine like)
Trunks is Silver
Can't find a counterpat for Cream and Blaze or Eggman.
Tails is almost an improvement, he's Bulma without the b***hing, bawdtiness, shallowness, but he's something like Bulma mixed with Krillin which makes him pathetic instead of a badass like Rouge.
Can't find any counterpat to Rouge out of DBZ.
Shadow suffers the same exact problem as these characters. He starts off fun-loving and all chatty enjoying to humiliate Sonic and then becomes too stoic and antisocial and downright a tool for others to use instead of being the one pulling the strings behind the scenes like a moustache twirling villain.
Eggman is easily Frieza. A genius that thinks he's better than everyone and wants to build his empire. Likes playing with his enemies and having fun causing destruction. Not as murderous unless we're talking about Archie Eggman. And Tails is Gohan. Maybe now Sega will have Tails step up and be a hero on his own again.
>Tails is Gohan
>Tails transforming into the Kitsune Blanco may happen in your lifetime
I always thought Tails was this really nice innocent girl in the video games like Gadget Hackwrench who occasionally wants to frick Sonic, but because of a misinterpretation of the Game Over screen and because you do PvP racing only against Sonic Vs Tails without any clones I thought Tails was hiding a dark side to her and was secretly Sonic's rival in disguise. Kinda like how in Swat Kats T-Bone and Razor compete so hard in training with each other that you'd think they're sworn enemies.
So anyway in the game over screen I thought Tails got sick of Sonic's laziness from not wanting to save the world and ends up cooking him on a pot with fire underneath Sonic and everything. Sonic is just sitting there "I give this little of a frick that I am going to let you cook me alive and eat me, fox. I AM NOT FRICKING MOVING FROM THIS SPOT, TAILS. EAT ME ALIVE, GO AHEAD, b***h." which is also very 100% accurate to the OVA when Tails yells at Sonic.
>Eggman
Dr. Gero of the Red Ribbon Army.
He doesn't have the personality beyond the anger, cowering and entitlement over his robots.
>Freeza
He doesn't have the personality... no wait... Freeza almost.. kinda.. Freeza is never wacky and pathetic, but he is very backstabbing and a liar, but when he lies he doesn't play the pathetic card, he plays the eloquent noble gentleman card almost like a Captain Hook.
Eggman is definitely a modified Freeza.
Eggman is almost a Joker or Aku type except his chattiness revolves around technical nerdy shit and punching his minions. Which is hilarious because neither Dr Wily nor Dr Light talk that much about technical shit. I often compared Sonic to Megaman. There's just too much robot shit going on because of Eggman to not think about Megaman.
>Vegeta
>Piccolo
>Tenshinhan
>Bulma
>Gohan
Good thing all those characters go through a lot of character development all throughout DB and DBZ
Vegeta does
>He starts off fun-loving
Kicking your ass with a glee is pretty fun loving of him. :^)
with glee* with a grin*
Man don't tbother arguing. Modern Sonic fans are a bunch of die-hard weebs that get off on DBZ. They like dumb anime shit like Nazo or That Mario flash thing with Mecha Sonic.
Man, i bet if Sonic starts like speaking like an old japanese lady, they'll bust a nut.
Cement in stone he can't keep up with sonic without the boots.
Turn him into Mao Mao (Heroes of Pure Heart) an actual charming Batman who enjoys his job(unlike Batman). He'd have great chemistry with Sonic's more Peter Pan-ish personality, unlike Piccolo/Knuckles, Vegeta and the stereotype that is Rouge(Rouge doesn't get surprised, shocked, intimidated by most things which makes for a boring character)
>How do you make Shadow into more of a character?
>Play him for laughs like Boom did.
It was only funny if you where a fan of Shadow. To everyone else, was played obtusely straight and narrow [spoilers]and ruined Boom for it[/spoilers]
>they want they can even draw parrels to his relationship with Maria and make it as though this new relationship has given him back the motivations to protect others that he lost with Maria.
He had this with Hope Kintobor in Archie.
But "Archie sux" or so the saying goes, so that's out of the way
>the "realification" of the Sonic aesthetic and basically dumping everything that made Sonic unique to become more generic.
THIS
>Sonic Team is going out of there way to ruin Sonic as much as they can looks more and more believable.
Being forced to keep working on Sonic non-stop would make even the sanest man a bit bitter at the hedgehog. Hell, this was a thing since Naka's days on the Genesis.
Sonic was just a means to an end for Sonic Team to get more work and develop clout at SEGA, he was never meant to be their main source of income.
Basically he's forced to be pre-character development Vegeta for all time.
>She also has the biodata of both Sonic and Shadow
ENTER
Sega has one chance to be faster than Dragon Ball Super by introducing Dark Sonic either in the comics or in Prime. DBS already showed that ultra instinct has a dark side to it, but it was very subtle and they didn't further explain what happened, it will probably come later when Goku masters ultra instinct.
They could also further expand on chaos energy if they weren't such talentless hacks. DBS is already pointing to the fact Broly was using a form of God energy all along and there's many more God techniques than just ultra instinct.
That's not Dark Sonic, that's that one DBZ Sonic OC (the one that isn't Nazo and was created by Eggman, I can't remember his name).
No I'm talking about the one from Sonic X season 3.
The pic in the post you are replying to has the OC, not Dark Sonic.
Ah k
That's literally just a DeviantArt OC word for word
so is shadow
>a secret experimental hedgehog from Robotnik's grandfather who was best friends with a girl who the Government killed and now is a surly loner who seeks to prove he's the ultimate life form and better than sonic in every way
like Blaze
>a princess from an alternate dimension who has her own emerald like the chaos emeralds but different called the Sol Emeralds (original donut steel) and hangs out with a time traveling hedgehog to stop the world from ending
desu, you can make anything sound stupid if you remove it from context
Surge has a hypno fetish
Sonic is a sociopath
>Sonic is a sociopath
You act like that's a bad thing.
Yes. Same reason why DBS Goku is an awful character. Having the main character be this invincible god-like manchild that does nothing but bring danger to appease their boredom sounds like a horror story. Sonic has more plot armor than Goku too, at least Goku can lose.
Goku has the excuse that if earth dies they can just bring it back with the Wyvern Spheroids
>Sonic has legally mandated plot armor
Kek
I honestly don't know what the frick brings an executive to believe something like that
>Ah yes, you can write a COMIC this character WHO FIGHTS VILLAINS, but he can't ever, ever lose
Like, why the frick even have a comic then?
>but he can't ever, ever lose
That's just demonstrably not true though, so what the frick brings an anon to believe something like that?
Because it's literally an mandate in IDW Sonic nowadays? They have a fricking kajillion of them, and one of them is that sonic and team can't ever, ever lose.
For a series where they can't ever, ever lose, they sure did, did lose, repeated times through zombots
Shadow, for one, was mandated specifically to lose. Sonic, however, is mandated to always win.
Wait Shadow has to lose?
Sega's mandate is that Shadow must be an overly confident, smug jerk who keeps getting his ass handed to him as punishment. Vegeta, basically.
Except that's a lie, the second half at least. He has to be confident and prideful. There's no mandate that he must lose- Ian wants to make him lose.
What's Evan's excuse?
Who said anything about excuses? Shadow is a powerful character, so making him lose to the zombies is impactful, and Ian just stumbled in the how because he didn't get to do it how he planned. Evan had him lose temporarily against Starline because if not, the plot wouldn't continue at all- and because it helps sell Starline, in theory.
You're complaining about mandates when you should be complaining about a temporary instance of Shadow being treated like Worf- "he's powerful, so if the new threat beats him, the new threat is established as powerful".
I have. Ian always wanted him to lose. The manner in which he did got changed.
So can characters lose or not? You're complaining Shadow lost (again, because Ian wanted), but then complaining characters can't lose, but then that Shadow's mandated to lose. Also very convenient that when Shadow gets infected that's losing, but when Charmy gets infected or so on that's just "a temporary infection".
Shadow is an powerful character that was mandated to lose like a chump, characters like sonic aren't allowed lose.
What do you mean by losing? Losing fights or not being able to save the day?
Lose fights. And get infected, then ignore perfectly useful advice to fight it off.
I mean that sonic can't lose.
They won't allow a villain like Surge or Nega or Metal or Zavok or whoever the frick to defeat him.
He was mandated to lose LIKE A CHUMP. He wasn't mandated TO LOSE. See the difference?
>So can characters lose or not?
>Q:Does the "Sonic can't lose"rule mean that he can't suffer a permanent loss but can go through hard times but come back from it?
Yes, exactly. They can't have him lose lose forever and always because obviously that would be the end of the book. But he can have momentary setbacks. One of the best examples of that was in Archie issue 175 where Eggman wins unequivocally but Sonic was still planned to win in the end.
Oh hey look at that, the word "forever", which you've been repeatedly not using. How curious, turns out the rule isn't "Sonic can't lose", it's "this is a children's book and Sonic is the hero, so while he can lose in a smaller scale, be defeated at a temporary scale, at the end of the story, he wins".
If you have a problem with even this, then you're just being a moron who somehow thinks this is the sort of franchise where the heroes permanently lose. Reminder not even Dragonball is that.
Sonic literally doesn't lose. Not in the IDW comics, anyway. The closest thing was when he had to keep running around to burn off the metal virus.
He did a frickton of losing during the Zombot arc
Nope, his friends were the ones losing. Reread the story, Sonic doesn’t lose once.
>Reread Story
>Eggman gets away at Barricade Town and Sonic accidentally breaks his biometric scanner
I'd say that's a loss
Read up on how Shadow got infected in #19.
It must really suck to be a Shadow fan. Does Silver have any mandates?
>Does Silver have any mandates?
His future must be kept vague and undefined.
So he can't have any world building? That sucks
I know misinfo gets spread around alot but you should atleast wait before discounting it.
>Q:Does SEGA has ever given you some pointers or difficulties on how Silver's future need to be portrayed?
With the end of the Metal Virus saga, Ian purposefully scripted the bit in Silver's future to see what kind of notes he would get. They were very specific in that it was what they refer to as the "Blue skies future", where things are good, lovely and restored. The original draft of that scene had a more in-depth city scene to show what life was like at that time but they were asked to scale it back and not put too much detail on that era, which is why it's a distant shot.
Source on those mandates?
Anon's ass.
Ian's podcasts.
No, give actual source. Timestamp, episode.
>overly confident, smug jerk
Shadow always had these qualities, it just didn't make up his entire personality back then.
Well, it does now. Sega wants him to be in a never ending dick measuring contest with Sonic and an butthole to everyone else.
No, Ian always wanted him to lose, it's the manner in which it happened that he was asked to change. And hold on, is Shadow not "Sonic and team" now? Can they lose or can't they lose? Is the repeated characters getting infected not losing? Do you actually know what you're talking about, or are you repeating random shit you heard other random anons talk about in threads like this?
Sonic and Teams cannot lose. Some characters getting temporarily infected by the Zombot virus is not losing.
Also, Ian said he wanted Shadow to actually fight more instead of going out like a moronic chump. But SEGA wants to write him like the Bejita meme.
People like to point to that arc as an example that Sonic can lose but he never does. He never loses, he just doesn’t win immediately. His friends lose and that bums Sonic out but he never succumbs to the virus himself. He never jobs out to the virus like Shadow did.
Notice how Sonic and Tails specifically do not get turns into one
Others aren’t invincible, they are
Tails did get turned into one, on Angel Island he jobbed to the Chao and cowered like in Forces for Sonic to save him
That "can never lose" mandate applies specifically to Sonic, not to Tails
>sonic and team can't ever, ever lose.
Spider-Man never lost, what is your point?
>Spider-Man never lost
The frick are you on?
He won in the end, read the comic, he never lost
Spider-man does lose, gets saved by another hero, or pounded into the dirt before pulling a victory by the skin of his teeth.
Sonic at worst comes off tired or barely trying for his. Mandates however are a grey area since Ian only hints at them and there are no 10 commandments written anywhere.
Season 1 of One Punch Man is pretty good, you can write a story with an unstoppable protagonist, it's just difficult to do so.
That's different, the entire plot of One Punch Man is set around Saitama being, you know, the one punch man. Which is why Saitama rarely even fights at all. OPM is much more about the characters around saitama than he himself.
Sonic, on the other hand, is always the main hero who personally fights the antagonists. So when he literally can't be defeated by legal madnate because of moronic executives, that just kinda ruins any tension.
Like, look at #50. Even the people who like it agree that it's a massive disappointment, and a big part of that is because Sonic and Surge's fight was fricking boring - they hyped her for several issues, and then all she does is hit him like, twice, without even leaving a mark, and then lose.
Sonic lost to Infinite.
Probably it would make sense
What if Sonic raped Scrunch?
that would be hot
my homie Scrunch would beat the shit outta that dicklet pussy-b***h Sonic if he even tried
>Retconned Rotor's homosexuality
>Pushed it onto Nicole and Sally in the reboot
>Doing it again for Whisper and Tangle
Godammit you smug bastard, where's our homosexual male Sonic rep?
Ian didn't "retcon" Rotor's homosexuality, he just choose not to use Penders' planned plot that involved Robotnik blackmailing Rotor to sabatoge Freedom Fighter efforts or else he'd reveal Rotor's homosexuality to the other Freedom Fighters.
But yeah no there are a disproportionately large amount of alphabet females compared to alphabet males in the Sonic comics. I still full expect the bird DJs to be revealed to be a gay couple in time in IDW though.
wait THAT was the plan?? robotnik straight-up just telling rotor's friends that he's gay???
holy shit lmao
Yes, apparently Rotor's friendship with Sonic and the gang would be at risk if they found out he was a homosexual.
Sonic is homophobic?
He was gonna be under Penders.
Source?
>But yeah no there are a disproportionately large amount of alphabet females compared to alphabet males in the Sonic comics.
None of them officially recognized as such though.
And probably never will be as long as Sega has any say. Bless them.
Yup. No one's allowed to be together unless they're established from the get go and no lgbt is permitted.
Ian basically said Rotor wasn't gay in the main universe.
It was never made official so he's right, no matter how much rotorgay cries.
He never cried about this. To my memory, Rotorgay said he doesn't mind/would like if he was gay, but otherwise never affirmed as such it was top priority. I had seen him commenting before that he doesn't either like any of Penders bullshit on Rotor.
Nobody can post that much gay porn and still claim to be neutral on his sexuality. I hate that avatar homosexual.
You have to be pretty moronic to latch on your poorly half-assed assumption that you must want a character to be of different sexuality just because you fap to one. That sounds like projection in your part.
He does nothing but post gay porn, writes massive fricking textblocks on how hot he is and you expect me to believe that he doesn’t actually care? Frick off moron stop whiteknighting for that literal homosexual attention prostitute.
t. butthurt Tanglegay ban evading right now.
That moron’s an avatargay too, any attention prostitute that posts with a huge tell like that doesn’t belong on an anonymous board and rightfully get banned.
Didn't stop him from trying to argue Rotor was technically gay because of his dialogue, whatever the frick that means.
I had spoke onces of this matter, but you might have gotten your memories wrong, apologizes. I didn't "argue". That'd be implying I'm in the favoring stance over something. Rotor or anybody else being gay is really the least I want for my favorite character, and you would think as much if you were in my shoes.
For clarification, it was to merely make an observation. Nothing more than it, a silly point for trivia's sake. I was meaning to mention you could see how Rotor was perhaps of homosexualry through two throw-away words picked from the exuberance of wordiness and verbosity that the certain charlatan writer would drug himself with. That was my intention, independent of what do I think about a walrus benefiting as homosexual or not, from a comic book about a quickstep wienery hedgehog.
Hopefully, that's all clear! I'd love for us to talk more, but thread's about to die, so don't hesitate to bring this up again.
wow
Yup, that's Jon Gray's ancient scribbles! He was a really good charming artist, moreso in his early works.
>Penders' planned plot that involved Robotnik blackmailing Rotor to sabatoge Freedom Fighter efforts or else he'd reveal Rotor's homosexuality to the other Freedom Fighters.
I believe that because I can't believe you made that shit up.
Need this for Eggman drawgays.
I'll give it a go when I'm less busy.
>Rotor is the only adult in the right because not one female character ever showed interest in him in the comics
Please correct me if I'm wrong, did any, ANY female show interests in him?
He barely shows up in the comic in general. He got written out of the main cast several times. He didn’t have much relationships in general outside of his family and I guess his team mates show friendship to him but that’s about it.
Not that I know of. Tails had more romance going on for him than Rotor.
No, but why would they? He's pretty much fat and ugly (he starts looking like he's a grandparent in later issues).
I think it was no secret that he was the least favorite character to the writers.
>Robotnik blackmailing Rotor to sabatoge Freedom Fighter efforts or else he'd reveal Rotor's homosexuality to the other Freedom Fighters
>if Penders hadn't sued Archie and made Sega start enforcing stricter punishments on Archie, we could've gotten this stupid fricking joke of a plotline
>Archie sonic would've gone full Marvel 2013/4/5 sjw had Sega not stepped in to curb this shit and eventually pull the plug on the comic to restart with a stricter plotline closer to canon
there are very few good things to say about Ken penders
but him accidentally making Sega keep a tighter leash on Ian and the American writing crew is one of the few good things he's ever done
Pretty sure Ian implied it in his first MXYL story, when Rotor's torn up cause his bf Cobar was killed, so really Ian was the first one to make Rotor gay in the comics instead of planning to just for a homophobia subplot
>not canon, alternate universe
I know but I don't think characters' sexuality changes just because of differences in the timeline
>where's our homosexual male Sonic rep?
Starline. He’s not subtle about it either.
>where's our homosexual male Sonic rep?
hopefully nowhere this is sonic the fricking hedgehog, go somewhere else.
Anon who the frick is this and why do you keep posting her?
Gold the Tenrec, a telepath from Silver's future. Appeared in Archie's reboot comics.
I ship it.
I want to become two dimensional (2D) and frick every female in the sonic universe until they organism
>that image
Absolute perfection
Why are so few Surge pics being posted?
god I want to see her beaten, battered, and bruised.
Why's that?
cuz its only when she's completely demolished physically, emotionally, and mentally, that I can swoop in to clean up the mess that is her life and become the savior she needs
Awww, how cute.
You know she'll probably bite your dick off, right?
Post sauce, this image is for ants
https://nitter.net/ManiacXVII/status/1485929354529951744
Many thanks, anon
Only briusing I want to do on her is on her womb. Nothing like good tummy bamboozling bambulged on cute tomboy punk
Her powers being electricity you think she have a nice after_glow
Sure, that sounds logical. That or "Snic"
I wonder if Kit's gonna try bail tails the moment he can or will actually start to like him. maybe both?
Also doesn't Whisper want to kill eggman? What would her reaction be if Surge told her Sonic wouldn't let her?
Kit doesn't have much of a problem with tails himself, he's just hardwire to always help Surge. Surge, which is why he was willing to parlay.
Probably won't have as much sympathy when she tells her she wants to burn everyone who even likes Sonic, like Tangle.
Yeah it'd probably still result in the two fighting
Telll her thst even Sonic can't be in two places at once.
>Also doesn't Whisper want to kill eggman? What would her reaction be if Surge told her Sonic wouldn't let her?
That was a one-time moment that happened while she was under massive stress from losing Tangle. She doesn’t show any kind of major rage the next time she fights Eggman at the party.
Also she let Mimic live, she’s just as big a moralgay as Sonic is.
Reminder this image was made by Surge's designer
So does Sega want Sonic to be Dragon Ball? It always kinda was but these mandates sound more DBZ than ever.
You're just now figuring that out?
I said it always kinda was. Collecting magical rocks, Super Transformations and boys from the future. It's just Sonic never took character dynamics from DB iirc
Shadow's concept art from the start said "base it on Vegeta". Silver's said "just think Trunks".
Between that and the Lancelot/Galahad thing it's no wonder people think they're related
Goku gets beaten black and blue all the time in dragon ball (original, z AND super), so no. They want it to be a worse version of it.
They made Surge and Kit into 17 and 18 so maybe.
>So does Sega want Sonic to be Dragon Ball?
Yes, since Sonic 2.
>So does Sega want Sonic to be Dragon Ball?
Unfortunately yes. Always.
It';s why we keep getting dumb characters like Vegeta the Edgehog & Jedi Princess Trunks.
Which is sad, because that's so old school for a children's franchise trying to be "cool" and shit.
You'd think they borrow more from My Hero, Demon Slayer or something more relevant to kids of today.
Nope, more stupid fighting space monkeys from the 80s.
>Vegeta the Edgehog
I'm honestly tired of this meme, if Shadow was half the character Vegeta is, then for sure he would be an actual character... at least, compare him to Sasuke or another of those other emo rival shits
If Shadow is a bad character, why some gays want Sonic to be more like him with that permafrown?
>why some gays want Sonic to be more like him with that permafrown?
>because pic related
>at least, compare him to Sasuke or another of those other emo rival shits
You're right of course.
But try telling that to Izuka.
Apparently Sonic Team doesn't read Naruto or One Piece.
>"Relevant" is fast money. "Familiar" is long money
Which is why they're about to make a new game that's already too late on copying Breath of The Wild & Xenoblade as opposed to the more "familiar" and successful idea of making Sonic Mania 2.
>Dragon Ball is still popular with kids.
DBZ is popular with kids in the same way other boomer properties are popular with them - old people forcing their likes onto the new generation.
Boy are you dense. Familiarity of image (which you implied with your literallywho anime examples) doesn't contradict relevance of gameplay.
>DBZ is popular with kids in the same way other boomer properties are popular with them - old people forcing their likes onto the new generation.
DBS was one of the top rated shows in Japan. DB is one the few properties with timelessness which is why it blew up my little cousin's generation when Kai came out.
Your financial skills are below zero. "Relevant" is fast money. "Familiar" is long money. They're planning a racing game for 2027 while you're spitting nonsense like this.
Dragon Ball is still popular with kids.
>My Hero
The only character worth a damn is Allmight and anyone with potential gets no screentime, everyone in the spotlight its just shit, JUST SHIT!
The girls are top tier but they also get no screentime
Pic unrelated
There's always one of you
Not the Goldposter, but...
Here anon
Nice
Sionic
>Tails is better as a girl
I know
>Sonic: hey tails!
>Tails: hi, oni-chan
>Sonic: wait, what?
>Tails what?
Not going to lie, I'm actually amazed Tails doesn't refer to Sonic as "onii-chan" or "aniki" in the Japanese versions.
It's because they're not actually brothers, they're just mentioned as being "close as brothers" in like 2 manuals. Outside of Western media Sonic isn't even that concerned with Tails, he's just a friend he lets tag along without paying him much mind - like everyone else basically is.
>It's because they're not actually brothers
It's not like you need to be blood related in Japan to call the man you look up to Aniki (or in less cases Oniichan), though.
It's a very common trope in shonen, so I'm honestly surprised they didn't do it starting in SA.
Because like I said, they're not actual brothers or even brotherly in manner. Even in the butchered English translations they never call eachother "brother" or "bro", it's "pal" and "buddy" and shit. They're just friends.
>they're not actual brothers or even brotherly in manner.
And I repeat, that's not mandatory for someone in a shonen to call an older character they look up to "Aniki" and the like.
And, look, I'm not even saying I want Tails to call Sonic as such. Between the jump from Classic to Modern, given Tails still ideolized Sonic, I'm just surprised the Japs did not made that decision.
Aniki translates as brother, as that is indeed one of the many ways to refer to your actual older brother, even your brothers in law in Japanese.
However, the term is also used in media by young characters who look up to a relatively older character who belongs to their own circles (say, a gang, clubs, or someone you know from a hobby). You can say it is a more bold way to refer to a "senpai" of yours, only more bold as it implies closeness.
Their relationship is not necessarily described as sibling-like, but is one of respect towards the other party.
It's funny how the west can completely improve an japanese product, sometimes.
Like Metal Gear Rising.
>Outside of Western media Sonic isn't even that concerned with Tails, he's just a friend he lets tag along without paying him much mind
"A kind-hearted little fox with two tails, his real name is Myles Pauer, also known as Tails.
He can fly by spinning his tail. When he was bullied by everyone for having two tails, he was encouraged by the sight of Sonic running by chance, and since then, he has always admired Sonic and has never left his side.
He loves to tinker with machines and develop various kinds of mechanisms. Although he is a cute little brother to Sonic, Tails himself hopes to one day become someone that Sonic can rely on. Using his abilities, he always supports Sonic's activities."
t. Sonic Channel's Tails Profile
BASED
>Eggman tricks tails into trying to trap Sonic and Tails loses his shit when he discovers it's actually very hard.
That was a great episode.
>Myles Pauer
Miles Prower*
Kek, I guess deepl isn't a big Sonicgay
>Although he is a cute little brother to Sonic, Tails himself hopes to one day become someone that Sonic can rely on.
>ソニックにとってはかわいい弟分だが、テイルス自身はいつかソニックに頼られるような存在になりたいと願っている。
Let me give you a hand, the translation is fairly accurate. The key word is 弟分 (Otoutobun), which is a word used to describe a friend who you treat as a younger brother.
Why Sega has never made a freaning English version of this damn site?
>I'm actually amazed Tails doesn't refer to Sonic as "onii-chan" or "aniki" in the Japanese versions.
That is because he hasn't been properly initiated into the Tojo Clan
That's just Bulma
>That's just Bulma
Precisely why it would make female Tails a great character, silly
And, if Shadow is Vegeta... does that mean, Tails and Shadow would frick?
and then they make Silver
>mfw Quills down Surge
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Can you not? Thank you.
It's a good thing surge isn't real because if she was no amount of electricity would stop what I'd do to her
>Well, I don't need safety gloves, because I'm Homer Simp--
Finally we are getting a self-contained story with Sonic and Tails.
>“Sonic and Tails race to Central City to stop Surge’s rampage, but they’re no match for her this time around.”
VILLAINKINO INCOMING
>more wispshit
FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCKK I HATE THE SONIC-EDITION PORGS
I think that's just an cover art, mate. It's supposed to make her look evil.
I mean, in one of the imposter syndrome covers, she was beating up metal together with sonic.
Booooo! I want Surge bullying! I want to see her cry!
She's going to cry eventually it all ends up going wrong. She still doesn't know her past.
For people who didn't like Surge getting her shit kicked in there you go
I am not seeing any Belle which is good but I'm not seeing any Kit which is not good, wonder where the other covers for 53 are
They can't use Belle because Surge would probably turn her into charcoal. She's already started fires with her electricity before.
I like seeing Surge humiliated and on the verge of crying.
>but I'm not seeing any Kit which is not good,
I know there's no way in a million years that they'd ever do it but it turning out that Tails really did accidentally kill him with that trick would be an amazing plot development.
No, it wouldn't - it would be comical, maybe, but it would be way too anticlimactical.
It'd be a weirdly on-point escalation of the entire struggle up to this point, though.
>"Sonic, you are a pussy b***h! Kill Robotnik so he doesn't come back next time!"
>"No, Green Shadow-expy. Killing is wrong."
>tails kills surge's brother essentially by accident and nobody even notices until surge bothers to ask where he is, at which point she goes looking for him, finds his fricking body, and suddenly has an actual vendetta against sonic et al rather than against the concept of them, ironically because they did the thing she was mad at them for never doing
It'll never happen though because comic writers are cowards
This is clearly a metaphor for Surge discovering her G spot.
No, that would be Sonia
No
Also am I the only one old enough to know and have made friends with this British thot? I can't believe it's been like 15 years - we're all going to be 40 soon
I didn't know she was British, has she sent you pics?
>Becky
Holy shit this brings back memories... I knew her, as "followed her on DA" goes... so what happened to her?
Did she matured enough to realize how dumb having a Sonic OC is? Or did she just moved on to another fandom?
(But what I want to know if she's doing fine and if she is healthy).
>But what I want to know if she's doing fine and if she is healthy
https://twitter.com/MoiraAunty
She's still around, though Becky got a redesign and is strictly called Purity now.
Her mom is hotter
I believe we (as in 90% of us) can agree on:
>It's ok for an IP derived media to have guidelines in order to keep and protect the spirit of the IP
>It is not ok for an IP derived media to have mandates that hinder any creativity to the point they don't even protect the spirit of the IP.
So, as much as we may hate Sega for the mandates... what is the reason they went first slow but steady in post-reboot and now full in IDW?
I doubt they did it out of pure malice towards the franchise... or at least, I want to doubt.
IDW is different because it's directly overseen by SEGA and translated and published in Japan. Unlike in IDW which was a purely SOA thing published only in America. If Archie was SOJ allowing the americans to use their characters in their american fanfiction, IDW is SOJ making their own Sonic comic.
>it's directly overseen by SEGA and translated and published in Japan
They're still in like, the fricking Metal Virus saga, no?
Honestly, i wonder what their thoughts are on IDW
probably nothing because Japan doesn't care at all about Sonic. They literally, unironically know Sonic as "that olympics guy in the Mario games"
Well Sonic is basically Felix the Cat / Mickey Mouse and Japan gives no shits about that rubberhose design.
This hasn't been the case for literal decades and you know this.
It wasn’t even the case when Sonic was first created. Sonic was always intended to be edgy and cool. Sonic being some adorable wacky cartoon mascot is a creation made by zoomers.
Well the zoomers did something right then.
Gargle more dicks
It's still a rubberhose design with anime hair.
The charm of Sonic is seeing the contrast of this thing that looks like a wacky cartoon mascot follow a Shonen story. Making him a genuine wacky cartoon mascot completely misses the point of the character. It’s like removing all of Ace Attorney’s dark moments because it has a cartoony look.
Stop trying to turn Sonic into something he’s not. Go play Crash Bandicoot if you want le wacky cartoon bullshit.
>Go play Crash Bandicoot if you want le wacky cartoon bullshit.
I would, but he's buried under the rubble of Activision-Blizzard.
Can't the nippon homies at SEGA just multiverse this shit and let me have an AOSTH style Sonic game in the vein of Rayman Origins?
With the current state of the franchise Sega is gonna play everything as safe as possible for a long time.
>Points out (original) Sonic looks like a cartoon character
>yOu JuSt WaNt HiM tO bE lOoNeY tUnEs
Everytime
Because it's true everytime.
I'm actually old enough to remember when the SatAM/Archie version of Sonic was seen as the definitive version in the west and AoStH was just this gimpy little cartoon no-one cared about. In fact a lot of the b***hing in 2000's was how much more serious and/or better western Sonic was compared to what was being given to us in the games.
>Sonic being some adorable wacky cartoon mascot is a creation made by zoomers.
Nah, blame AoSTH and the SOA adverts for birthing this idea of wacky cartoony Sonic.
And all was right in the world until SOJ had to win their pathetic pissing contest. Now Sonic is just for autistic weebs.
At this point, frick the balance - Sonic should just go full animu & be happy being sold right next to Trails of Cold Dick & Fire Emblem Sex Houses.
Looking at that chart, I can see why SEGA decided to try and make Sonic cuter
Okay so like hear me out!
Here's how you ACTUALLY save Sonic in Japan and literally everywhere else
>Change all male to female
>They all want human boyfriends
Done. Literally nothing else needed
Japan naturally hates Felix the cat and furries. Actually how is the italian plumber performing in Japan? I take it he's more popular with the younger children and the fanbase is saner?
>IDW is different because it's directly overseen by SEGA
No it isn't, none of IDW's properties are "directly overseen" whether it's Sonautism, Transformautismers or My Little Autism
all characters, plots, issues and stories have to be pitched directly to Iizuka. They even oversee the linework and tell Yardley to adjust it accordingly if they don't like it. It's absolutely overseen by them
>They even oversee the linework and tell Yardley to adjust it accordingly if they don't like it. It's absolutely overseen by them
At this point one has to wonder: If they are so obssessed to make sure that Sonic matches their standards, why even bother hiring an overseas company? Why not just go to your standard mangaka, pay him a fraction of what you pay the Americans and let him do it all Japanese style.
Heck, with modern technology and publishing stunt, you can even make dual release overseas by just hiring a translator. Shonen is doing that shit already.
>Shonen Jump is doing that shit already.*
meant to write Shonen Jump
>why even bother hiring an overseas company?
They like the staff for a ongoing comic.
>lack*
>They lack the staff for an ongoing comic.
In Japan? I highly doubt it...
Much easier to have someone pay you to make a comic than for you to build a team and pay them to make the comic.
But, even so, then why relay on an overseas publisher when Japan is filled with publishers they could hire to do all the work?
Anon, I don't think you're understanding here. In this arrangement, Sega gets paid while the other way they have to spend money.
>In this arrangement, Sega gets paid while the other way they have to spend money.
Okay, that's the part that was completely skipping my mind. I kneel.
Happens to the best of us.
However now I think about it, what it does demonstrate (again) is how much more popular Sonic is in the west if we're not getting any manga deals in Japan.
IDW pays SEGA for the licence, that's how licencing works.
Nobody in Japan wants to do a Sonic manga
SEGA didn't approach IDW
IDW approached SEGA
That's how licensed comics work
Im tired of seeing porn of sonic girls, when are we going to see more sonic on tails action?
When Tails becomes a girl.
We need to spam even more female Tails art then
There's over 10k images of Sonic and Tails so there's a lot with them together
And Sonic domming is almost all of them
I'm tired of seeing porn of only game and comic Sonic girls.
It's true but they're not drawing her
Notice that the IP count didn't go up when he posted.
The only good Sonic show was SatAm which was just any 86s-90s rebellion story like Biker Mice From Mars, Star Wars, etc.
Sonic X tried to do a weird mix of slice of life and adventure in the first season then moved slightly towards action then went full on space opera in season 3.
Sonic Boom was just Seinfeld with Sonic. It was more boring than Family Guy and Fairly Odd Parents.
>The only good Sonic show was AoSTH
fify
*PUNCH*
Don't talk to me, you're below an animal. Not even the pajeets will register you as one of theirs.
>Getting triggered over someone liking a better Sonic show
And I'm bellow an animal, you say? Kek... you're cute, anon
Below.
An.
Animal.
Go knock on a beehive maybe they'll accept you there.
Did some Indian call center scam your mother?
What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about Sonic *comics*.
Boom was fun
>Sonic X tried to do a weird mix of slice of life and adventure in the first season then moved slightly towards action then went full on space opera in season 3.
Sonic X should just have been a full adaptation of the Classic games (only portrayed with the modern designs, because... well, that's the aim at the time), followed by the adaptation of Adventure 1, 2, Heroes and whatever other game was available at the time, with some filler episodes in between games when needed to, literally, fill in the gaps.
It was Sega's BIG CHANCE to make a single continuity of Sonic, instead of the absolute disaster we currently have. And it is sad, because, forced Chris aside, I do think the SA and SA2 arcs are the best part of Sonic X original two seasons, but that's 12 episode of a 52 run.
>The only good Sonic show was SatAm
Snicker
If tails is fluffy all over, are hedgehogs in sonic verse all around spiky even beyond their back? Or are they like other mobians and just soft?
i tried
>Tails getting jelly
Precious
Why, why won’t Sonic sexually assault Surge? It’s not fair…
Shadow would be cooler as an actual triple agent demon like Samir Duran. Except ye know a full-time moustache-twirling villain instead of an antihero. I really liked him when he was smiling, enjoying the fight and being elegant. Instead they did the same exact problem with Vegeta. From the elegant arrogant prince to the lowly antisocial angry jobber like Knuckles.
Sonic? weak
She does indeed have a look with her quils down
She looks like she fricks human men.
Is Sonic popular in Japan?
Nope.
See
Obviously one poll doesn't prove anything but it's safe to say Sonic is a lot more popular in the west.
And everytime they try to change that it fails.
Huh, was the Adventure era redesign a mistake afterall? Japan does love cute things
Sorta but less because of the redesign and more because of the "realification" of the Sonic aesthetic and basically dumping everything that made Sonic unique to become more generic.
> Hypnotism messes up her world view
> Sheltered for most of her life
> Hates Sonic
> Wants to replace him as the God-like savior of the world
> Has green hair
> will absolutely frick her mom at some point
is the dimensional merge upon us, sisters?
It's all so tiresome.
Oh frick, I recognize that background
JUUUUDAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY
finally I get to post this
Built for bullying
Cute pink hedgie
I almost don't want her to appear in any games ever again cause I know they'll ruin her somehow.
What's the deal with Silver and Blaze?
Silver is Blaze's moronic little brother.
Oh, hello there... wait, was it Evan or Ian who said they saw them as siblings?
Evan, which is why she keeps coming up with new females to be Silver's new "companion", both of which ended up becoming bisexualesbians.
>A character made by Evan Stansley ends up being a woke character
What a surprise... this is exactly why the single, unique positive trait the fricking mandates have is keeping her and the like in control...
True, depressing but true.
meds
See
This. Don't kid yourselves anons, if Evan ever got the chance she would make Sonic and everyone else in the cast woke.
She did craft a moment between Sonic and Shadow to have "romantic undertones" by her own admission, and she did make them a bisexual polyamorous couple along with Tikal in her personal webcomic.
Sonic already has blue hair and pronouns
Both? Who's the other one?
Gold and Whisper
Oh. Why give him "companions" if he's just gonna be the male equivalent of a gay hag?
Because Evan Stanley is woke beyond redemption. Not even a shitpost, she really is.
>which is why she keeps coming up with new females to be Silver's new "companion"
For the last time, Evan did not create Whisper, she simply did the design and they had only two times where they appeared together, both under Ian's pen. Stop this conspiracy bullshit.
Characters with worlds that can't be expanded upon until Sega does and they likely never will. So they just hang out or show up briefly. As a couple? Just really good friends that you can assume will get together eventually if not for them being Sonic characters so it'll likely never happen.
Silver comes from the future either to stop a disaster or to hang out with guys from the past (which is probably the cause of the disasters he has to stop as it changes the timeline).
Blaze is the ruler of a kingdom in an alternate dimension and the guardian of the Sol Emeralds. Yes, the monarchy is ruled by a princess instead of a king or a queen, don't think about it too hard.
I once saw someone try to argue that Silver and Blaze come from the same dimension because they both fight Eggman Nega.
That's moronic, Nega is just Eggman's ancestor from the future who wants to destroy all of existence, hence him fricking with the Camera, the Ifrit, the Sol Emeralds and israeliteeled Scepter.
That's what I said. Blaze's world is clearly another dimension and not the future.
I can't get over the fact that Eggman fricked
Why does Silver's future have a fire cat identical to the princess of the Sol dimension?
My guess is 06 and the Rush games had different writers and 06's writer either didn't give a shit or just straight up rejected their setting and deliberately chose to contradict it.
>06's writer either didn't give a shit or just straight up rejected their setting and deliberately chose to contradict it.
That, or Sega just went and told them:
>"Oh, remember the fire cat princess from another dimension from the Rush game? Add her to the plot, she seems popular enough"
And making her part of Silver's future was the best they could come up with without making the plot even more convoluted.
>Hey Amy, if you want to keep coming on adventures with me you need to speed up! Come on I'll get you going.
S-Sonic we're going too fast, my legs are getting tired...!
>That's not radical Amy! Let's kick it up a notch!
*Amy is now being dragged behind the blue blur screaming in terror, the ground has begun scraping off her fur and skin*
>That's a LITTLE better! You might even be able to keep up with tails after this. Time to go SUPER SPEED!
*The chaos emeralds transform Sonic into his super form as he breaks light speed, reducing Amy's flaming skeleton to dust and igniting the atmosphere ending all life on the planet*
My headcanon is Surge is Scourge's daughter.
That would mean that Sonic has been bullying his own daughter in reverse
Ok, you sold me. I'm a Surgegay now. Post more lewd tenrecs plz.
The irony of it all: Surge is a virgin and is desperate to not be, but doesn't have the stomach to go through with it.
Mute video game characters and comic books don't work together, let alone character as boring as Sonic&co.
If Sonic is inspired from Goku which is inspired from Sun Wukong then ... Shadow is literally Sonic's Shadow/Macaque, a parrot. You could inspire Shadow more from Macaque instead of Vegeta.
Sun Wukong is also suppose to be a trickster type.
Here's your Vegeta/Shadow, bro.
THERE'S YOUR SHADOW, BRO.
I don't get where Comic Sonic's no kill policy came from. Sure in the games he doesn't go out of his way to slit Eggman's throat but it's not as if he pulled his punches. Eggman's just exceedingly good at surviving situations he logically shouldn't. Sonic shot right through Dark Gaia's face. He had no idea King Arthur was a construct when he killed him. He (and Shadow) killed the Biolizard.
It's not really his style to hunt someone down and tear out their lungs, but he's not exactly a saint either.
It's mostly how IDW Sonic has a hard-on for redemption. I still don't know why he released Metal Sonic when they had him held because of what he did as Neo Metal. Metal tried to kill everyone, they fixed him, and then let him go. Meanwhile Rough and Tumble go to jail and stay there until Starline breaks them out. I have no problem with Sonic not killing anyone, I just have a problem with him playing catch and release with Eggman and Metal.
Which is weird because in the games, Sonic normally isn'y very gentle with Metal Sonic. Metal almost never escapes his encounters with Sonic in any state to move. Sonic thrashes him and leaves him for dead. There was that one exception in Sonic Heroes, I guess.
Your examples are two monsters threatening imminent worldwide extermination and one where he didn't actually kill anyone and never attempted it with anyone else, even Merlina.
Intent matters. Sonic generally doesn't hold back except in specific scenarios. I mean do you really think when he caused Eghman's Death star to explode he did so with the intent of keeping Eggman alive? No. Eggman's survival in any encounter with Sonic is always due to his own foresight, rather than becomes Sonic deliberately tried to explode him as gently as possible.
>Intent matters
And the intent is he never kills people. I'm tired of people using a spin-off game to paint the perception for the whole series when it doesn't accurately represent the character. Sonic destroys the mech or ship and moves on, that's it. Sonic has no interest in eliminating Eggman as evidenced by multiple times in the main games they've been together and Sonic just ignores him.
Jannies really deleted a sfw image. Why?
They are much harsher on suggestive images if they involve anthros
A fully clothed Cinemaphile character making a hand gesture doesn't seem suggestive enough.
She was very clearly evoking a handy J.
What was Blaze's personality again?
Serious, blunt, lonely and poor at expressing herself.
Not in Sonic 06.
She is very serious in 06, she is very blunt in 06, when she isn't alone she's superglued to Silver and she doesn't talk to anyone else but Silver.
Nobody even acknowledges her existence in 06, she may as well be Silver's tulpa, the only narrative reason she has to exist in the narrative of 06 is to fricking die so Iblis can be stopped. Her death doesn't even make sense because Elise, a normal human, survived with Iblis sealed into her for until she died from the Egg Carrier crashing, which also makes no sense because Eggman could just hop into the Egg Wyvern to save her and himself which could prolong the apocalyptic future Iblis causes by several fricking decades.
No breasts and chest envy.
The comics feel like a mix of the Looney Tunes cartoon, Underground and SatAm. IDW feels almost like an even cheesier SatAM (basically Underground, where they threw everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink)
and the zombot arc?
Something I'd see in Superman where almost every event is an end of the world scenario where Superman has to deal with the fact those he loves are dying or are going to die.
You guys want a test in imagination? Tell me what each song makes you feel and what ideas you associate with it; dialogue, scenes, smells, life lessons, themes, atmosphere, settings, etc.
I hate most of Sonic's music I find it generic 5 second looped noise stuck on repeat, however there is one theme that stuck out to me which everybody seems to have thought fit perfectly well with an ancient mysterious temple when for me it was something a little more dark.
It's pathetic how writers these days don't even bother using music for their inspiration or rather they listen only to trash or rather any music they listen to doesn't evoke anything from their brains despite sound notes making our brains brim with ideas.
So anyway when I heard this theme I thought it was Sonic & Tails dying, DyING, in the process of dying. I'm thinking of a malady, a biological virus or a bunch of fungi and green or purple underground area which Sonic & Tails cannot escape from, maybe even a desert. It sounds very grave and tragic, not sure everyone gets the "mysterious temple" part from when they didn't even know it was from hidden palace zone originally or what it looked like.
In the games, Sonic's general attitude towards Eggman appears to be something along the lines of
>Oh, Eggman exploded. Guess he's dead.
>Oh wait, he's not dead. Don't that beat all?
>He's getting away. I think I'll throw this rock at him to explode him again, just to spite him.
>He survived that too, dude's tough.
>Well I'd say that he couldn't possibly survive that, but who am I kidding?
I can't recall any instances where Sonic went out of his way to save Eggman in the games either, much less absolve him of his crimes. Rather, Sonic generally just doesn't seem to care much whether Eggman lives or dies at all.
I can't help but wonder if all this discourse since issue 50 will result in actions being taken on Sega or IDW's part, because holy shit nobody can shut up about it.
I doubt it, just another hands off approach as always. I would have fired Ian Flynn on the spot for making Shadow become a jobber and start shoving in OCs because he refuses to write my characters correctly.
Sega cares about Sonic about as much as 21st century fox cares about the Alien franchise which is 0.1% "throw it a bone there, but don't waste too much money on it and don't give a shit to micromanage it for quality control".
>I would have fired Ian Flynn on the spot for making Shadow become a jobber
Isn't that what Sega wants? Making him Vegeta and all?
>firing ian for what he was told to do
Oh god, have we gone back a few years when anons just blamed everything on Ian for no reason?
Man where have you been? He even gets blamed for Evan's writing.
>Man where have you been?
Not on /sthg/.
>have we gone back a few years when anons just blamed everything on Ian for no reason?
gone back a few years would imply they stopped doing it at some point...
Well considering eggman only went after sonic after he fricked over his themepark it makes sense.
Sonic really isn't a good hedgehog
I hate sonic but man you give a b***h teeth like the shells for the .950JDJ rifle and I'll simp for her till the sun explodes. That green marmot or whatever gets me rock hard.
What are mobians?
Old term used to refer to Sonic furries when the name "Mobius" was coined to refer to Sonic's World.
Although, technically has no validity in-universe, the term is still widely recognized in the fandom as a simple quick way to refer to the specific Sonic furry characters.
Wrong. They're onaholes.
They are the inhabitants of Mobius
Can you classify them as furries?
Female Sonic is Blaze the Cat. Her whole thing is she’s an AU equivalent of Sonic
Sonic has Surge
Silver has Gold
Where is Shadow's tenrec?
Prepare yourselves for OC Reincarnated Maria the Tenrec
Mephiles, a fake hedgehog
When are we getting some order variant as a contrast to chaos? I can see some otherworldly counterpart to Shadow as some enforcer. A white tenrec that uses order control and order blast and order spear. Instead of chaos emeralds, he uses order gems. Call him Light.
>When are we getting some order variant as a contrast to chaos?
It's funny you mention that about Shadow because for all his use of Chaos energy, Shadow is all about keeping things in ORDER in order to protect the world.
Controlling the Chaos, so to speak.
Damn it, that's a cute Aelita!
El Tigre is looking really white there
Who's the Kamen Rider at the center?
Since when is Ratchet a shonen? The R&C games where Veerhoven parodies of consumerism aimed at kids.
Unless something changed during the PS3 era.
Oh god, the Future trilogy really is the Adventure era of Sony.
>How do we fix Shadow?
Make him smile again and talk... a lot. In the wieneriest mischievous sarcastic elegant way possible.
Would you guys watch a Sonic show or comic book about a tiny Sonic trying to fit in Sonic's shoes?
>Sega/Sonic wants to be more like DB/DBZ which is just a Journey to the West ripoff.
>Sega/Sonic don't even copy the full arsenal of the Monkey King, they almost give Shadow a ranged attack he doesn't use much, but give Sonic jackshit to work with
>They also make the golden transformation last way shorter instead of making it a permanent addition like DBZ did. Oh and no kung fu.
Is Sega mentally moronic?
what other inspirations does Sonic have? pinball machines? environmentalism bullshit?
I think they had something cool going on with the illuminati and various /x/ stuff and exotic psychedelic dream stuff. Would had been cool for Sonic to be some 4th dimensional mystery solver, key opener, puzzle solver, exploration-seeking maniac who finds every secret possible like some Harry Potter video game. Bbbut they never went with that angle, too bad sucks to be Sega and sucks to be Sonic.
You know little 6 year old me thought Sonic was just his nickname like Tails and Sonic's real name was Sega to further accentuate how he's literally the company, like if Mickey Mouse's name was Walter Disney.
Does Sonic in the comics ever do the wacky psycho face you see in the game? the Tazmanian devil face? The original Loonatics Unleashed face?
The wide mouth sometimes a smile that looks like an excited face ready for battle often mistaken as a rape face is often a staple for action protagonists like Alucard and the like. But no I don't remember the comics or any media particularly ever drawing Sonic with a face while he's rolling neither further exaggerate on his wienery grin till it turns into a psycho face.
>How do we fix/improve Shadow?
Here's your Shadow the Hedgehog's alternate role/personality, bro.
I think they originally wanted to go with this idea, but as usual they pussywhipped themselves and added Maria at the last second while Adventure 2 was being written.
His solo video game confirmed this. I wonder where they stole the idea of Shadow being half alien demon.
>but as usual they pussywhipped themselves and added Maria at the last second while Adventure 2 was being written.
I also think someone at Sonic Team wanted to do another Burning Rangers, cuz they used that exact "cute waif is the key to a mystery on a giant space colony set to crash" plot near the end of the game.
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I really want to see these anons' interpretation of Sonic. It sounds trippy.
I said hug, hug! Wait, no! AAAA-
Some small group went full artistic vision autism over Sonic 2's soundtrack. If you guys also want to share your views you can go here:
This song always felt both soothing and unnerving at the same time, like a twisted mechanical lullaby. Doesn't have the same energy as 3&K's version, but an achievement in its own right.
>He thinks it's just "modern" fans
That's cute.
Part of the reason we got the modern design was because Naka felt the original was "too cutesy".
Heck, going by the Harmony artwork, oldschool Sonic has more in common with Dr Slump than Dragonball.
Nobody cared about what the Japanese wanted from Sonic until they shoved it directly in our faces in Adventure.
Naka's DBZ fetish was just pretty background fluff to roll around in because DBZ wasn't relevant at the time Sonic was popular on the Genesis.
Had I known what the crapshoot Sonic was gonna turn into so he can be more "accurate", I would have never sold my PS1 to get a Dreamcast.
>I would have never sold my PS1 to get a Dreamcast.
Oof
>because DBZ wasn't relevant at the time Sonic was popular on the Genesis
You meant in the States, right?
>You meant in the States, right?
Yes.
The only state that matters.
>The only state that matters.
I guess this answers most of our questions. Thanks.
>Based off King Kai's planet.
>You don't go to it when you die. There is no king kai, monkey, grasshopper waiting for you there.
>It could be any fake 3D sphere stage if you wanted.
God asians are dumb, they don't even copy the things they want correctly.
3 and 4 look like actual ACTION video game protagonists instead of a toddler's video game like Nuts and Milk or Rayman.
>He wanted Sonic to not be so cutesy.
How about not shoving an environmentalist message bullshit down Sonic's throat with a shit ton of baby music playing during the green scenes?
You based Sonic's design off Mickey Mpuse/Oswald/Felix the Cat for fricks sake!! What did you expect? Fritz the Cat attention? Maybe if you actually removed the green message BS and designed him more unhinged he wouldn't be compared to Super Mario as a toddler video game and a pretendo action video game. And give Sonic guns/weapons. Megaman is cute looking but he uses a gun and doesn't free baby bunnies and baby birds from robots.
God asians in general are dumb but Sega's bugmen genuinely think with their abdomens up their mandibles. Godsamn they're stupid as hell. They make Capcom look like a capable company.
You know if they really wanted to sell Sonic as this serious edgy anime-inspired action series, why didn't they do what Capcom did and make Sonic less cartoony & more anthromorphized - similar to how they took Mega Man from Astro boy ripoff to a mehcanical frick boi in X.
Just do what deviantART has been doing for decades and give the most overdesigned furry bait look. So the next Sonic Team wants to create a cringy JRPG plot into their cartoony hedgehog world, at least the little shit will look the part.
Frick, forgot the picture.
Amy. Dipshit.
But, doesn't Amy have a sizeable chest?
Not as sizeable as Rouges.
I come back and find a Blaze breast envy thread. Not complaining though
All Sonic cats have severe learning difficulties
Just like real cats.
Imagine if they went with No. 4 design.
WTF? They actually had the best synthesis of Classic & Modern with them all along...and they passed on it?!
Even for SEGA, that's just so dumb.
I mean, you said it, SEGA has an actual aversion to sensible business decisions, even by video game developer standards.
I wouldn't be averse to it, I've always kinda preferred Super Sonic's color palette to Sonic's from a design standpoint, red and yellow go with his shoes really well and the blue arms can actually blend into the rest of his body so you don't end up with those really uncomfortable shots of where Sonic's arm and torso meet that make him look like an action figure while also giving him visible shoulders.
All that being said, I could see classic fans hating this version of Sonic even more than the one we actually got, it's quite literally too cool, SEGA would definitely be intimidated by such an aggressive design change.
Honestly I agree, it would be pretty rad but it is also weirdly prescient of the Crash Bandicoot redesign.
And don't forget that by SA they were still experimenting with the modern design.
You just need to compare SA and SA2 artworks.
Around which game Uekawa finally settled for a definitive modern style?
I mean they're still tweaking it to this day, which honestly is a good thing.
I like Frontiers design from what I've seen.
3 seems cool
Well, we reached the 500.
Overall... pretty good thread, everyone!
Hope the next one is even better.
What was our topic again? Sonic bints or something.
Surge as a character, and then the usual spergs common in a Sonic Cinemaphile thread, like "Muh classic good, Yoh modern bad", "Archie vs IDW", "Those pesky mandates", "Ian Flynn: Angel or Demon?", "Who's going to be Evan's next queer character?", and my favourite "Want to know how I know you have never seen DB?"
Hopefully, we'll get to discuss the actual comic instead of just posting about blaze being flat or whatever
YOU'RE A FLAT CAAAT BLAZE DEAL WITH IT
Blaze is flat, i'm just a surgegay
Out of all the derails the thread had, you complain about the one that lasted barely 15-20 posts and that showed up near the end.
For real, anon? For real?
Issue 51's in 4 days so that should be fun
Barring the shitposting Cosmogay samegayging and switching puppets as always and trying to troll Rotoranon, it was fine.