True I'd say, it's funny how he's a cartoon character first and game character second even though he actually originates in a game. I always thought Sonic gameplay felt inherently flawed and unwieldy.
>I always thought Sonic gameplay felt inherently flawed and unwieldy.
I thought it was fine, the old 2D ones at least. It gets pretty fluid once you get the hang of it.
NTA, but I've also had trouble clicking with 2D Sonic. I've beaten them all, but to me they always feel like I'm just always walking to the right until something stops me most of the time, it feels like it's a lot more based on memorizing a stage so you can do it fast than it is to "reacting" to things
Tbf I'm gonna give you that it's similar to my experience with Mario 64; advertising these fun 3D worlds when the actual design for most of them turns out to be dull as frick, which is a shame considering that was always the 2D games' forte
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Anonymous
I can't say I felt like Mario 64 underdelivered? Like it's primitive but it is quite literally one of the first 3d platformers and still has momentum and physics that a good chunk of modern 3d platformers fail to match. The only thing in it that strikes me as clumsy is the camera's controls. Still would replay it anyday over Sonic games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>still has momentum and physics that a good chunk of modern 3d platformers fail to match.
They're literally garbage what the frick
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and still has momentum and physics
And I felt that's all the dev team ever gave a shit about, and nothing else. Even for an early 3D platformer, the level design could've been much better than it actually turned out. I think Crash Bandicoot from that same year was a better transitional point to 3D, and Spyro from two years later a better take on what 64 attempted to be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can't say I agree. The "big difference" between SMB and other NES platformers that gave it an edge even when more and more came out was always the weight and momentum. It's the reason something like Adventure Island sucked dick compared to SMB. SM64 focusing on movemet and physics is just being loyal to what Mario's edge always was. Stuff like Crash struck me as boring to control due to how little the movement in that game cared for gravity.
>still has momentum and physics that a good chunk of modern 3d platformers fail to match.
They're literally garbage what the frick
I think you're deeply wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>SM64 focusing on movemet and physics is just being loyal to what Mario's edge always was.
Nah, it's more level design to me, which Mario 64 really faltered at. Even Bano-Kazooie from around Spyro's time manages to capture that balance 64 lacked.
>Stuff like Crash struck me as boring to control due to how little the movement in that game cared for gravity.
Nah. I thought the amount to weight and movement was appropriate even if not as "dynamic" as Mario 64's, but I guess pretty decent level design really helped with that.
I replayed the first one on Origins recently and I found it to be rather cheap a lot of the time. The second and third games really improved on it but I can certainly see why newcomers to the series who play the first one would get a bad impression of the classic series. It doesn't help that Sonic really takes his time to shift into gear.
They're fun for a short burst, but being pinballed all over the stage gets old pretty quick. I feel like it would take playing the games 20 times before I understood the level layouts, and I just don't care enough to do that.
>Sonic gameplay felt inherently flawed and unwieldy.
It was intended to have pinball game physics. If you look at the designs of the stages you'll see how much in common they have with pinball game layouts.
I thought his video games sucked hard too, sucked harder than Super Mario's which frankly I found his original arcade game where you got to toss turtles on their backs and throw them back in the pipes they came from much more intriguing than a shitty platformer.
Super Mario World evolved the concept of warp pipes and powerful power ups like Yoshi and the cape, but it didn't evolve the main gameplay which is just to run like a moron from left to right. It kinda tried to do something with the keys, springers, secret doors, but it wasn't enough, I needed more interesting objectives and level design.
>only to be met with animation that would make any shounen anime laugh at how cheap it is.
Really? I thought the show sucked anus myself, but even it had more decent cuts (least when they had room for them) than your average shounen of the time.
I agree. Sonic's whole gimmick of trying to speedrun a 2D level sounds good in theory, but the actual level designs are filled with:
1. Railroading sections where you're going fast because you're literally doing nothing but entering in a fake cutscene of you spinning around some spiral thingy while jumping in the air
2. Random obstacles put your path that force you to stop
Now, I get the IDEA is that you're supposed to memorize the levels over time and then replay them doing them better and faster each time because you jump in preparation for a spike trap that is coming up, but more often than not, the obstacles are something you can't actually speedrun through even if you know they're coming. Like some object you need to bounce up and down on in order to push it down, or running dead stop into a wall with a bouncy pad in the corner that allows you to go up but kills all your momentum.
I dunno, traditional Sonic gameplay just never felt very fun to me.
As someone who fell for the blast processing meme as a kid instead going for Mario like most kids did, I'd say I disagree. I do think Mario games are better now but the original Sonic games where great fun and it's no wonder e.g. autistic people are so into Sonic because the games are very rewarding in that kind of way.
>I do think Mario games are better now
As someone who was a nintoddler for all his gaming life, I'd disagree. While I agree they're better on average than Sonic games, I'd say that in a "that's isn't saying much" sort of manner, as I think the current entries feel rather "stale" in their own way, for lack of a better explanation. Honestly indie games provide much better experiences than either franchise nowadays.
1, 2, CD, 3&K, 3D Blast, SA1, SA2 and Heroes are all fun console platformers
and then Sega merged with Sammy in 2004 and Sonic Team became an extremely hit or miss studio
That’s because most of the creative talents who had made up the original Sonic Team had pretty much left SEGA, “Sonic Team” is just a moniker use for whatever slapped together group SEGA pulls from to work on the latest Sonic game.
This is something I've come to realize and have to accept, a major reason a lot of franchises suck now is because the people who made it what it was are gone.
That’s because most of the creative talents who had made up the original Sonic Team had pretty much left SEGA, “Sonic Team” is just a moniker use for whatever slapped together group SEGA pulls from to work on the latest Sonic game.
And the company refuses to hire talented people.
Same way Capcom refused to hire Konami to make their Megaman games not suck dick.
It's absurd to me that we have people unironically defending the shit games on the right nowadays. I get they're zoomers, but when I defend shit from my childhood I go for the things that I know hold up, not for the ones that are clearly shit.
>because uuuh something something egoraptor
Isn't that the guy who said Megaman was great because it didn't tell you that you could wall jump?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, he's a fat homosexual who is fat and a homosexual. Sonic fans are convinced he is part of the reason Sonic became a laughingstock despite people shitting on Sega's recent output before Egoraptor was even popular online.
Poor example, the only good cartoons in this franchise are AoStH, Boom, Mania Adventures and the movies, everything else is trash. >but
EVERYTHING ELSE IS TRASH.
>AoStH, Boom, Mania Adventures and the movies, everything else is trash.
Nope; SATAM, X, and at least select episodes of Boom are the good ones. Everything else is trash though. That said, I've never watched Mania Adventures nor the movies.
>Tails, Princess Sally, Rotor the Walrus, Antoine Depardieu, Bunnie Rabbot (who's an actual cyborg!), and Dulcy the Dragon are all fantastic characters with distinct personalities >Dulcy "Ma" the Dragon >Fantastic character
Hell Rotor is a questionable addition to that list too but outside of scalies does anyone like Dulcy?
It was probably going to be like the games. An alternate Earth with humans and Sonic-people, but it was split for some reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It was probably going to be like the games.
Maybe, but that pilot still had more anthro civilians visible than nearly any of the games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, but Chris and his friend Danny were in the pilot. Unless the plot was reversed and they were transported from Earth to Sonic's world and the anime would've taken place there for a majority instead.
It’s interesting just how many things TMS took from Western Sonic media when making Sonic X, you have the Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts expies, the two worlds shit and there’s even an Uncle Chuck of sorts.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Decoe and Bocoe were based on robots in Kinkyu Hasshin Saver Kids, another anime TMS made.
Scratch and Grounder had nothing to do with them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Kinkyu Hasshin Saver Kids
I'm surprised someone's even heard of that show.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Kinkyu Hasshin Saver Kids
Huh, the more you know, thank you.
Still, TMS DID do some animation work on AoStH.
I guess the comparison is more apparent when you consider Bokkun being rather similar to Coconuts though that might be coincidental as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>TMS DID do some animation work on AoStH.
They also did this around the same time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
that would have been a very interesting alternate reality if it ended up becoming an actual cartoon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can really see the wb influence
2 years ago
Anonymous
The two bumbling odd couple-like goons are a strong trope
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't reply to the deluded Archiecuck. He's embarrassing hinself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's talking about AOSTH you fricking reatard. Not even a single mention of Archie.
Here we go with that pancakes shit again
2 years ago
Accel∆X
Decoe and Bocoe were based on robots in Kinkyu Hasshin Saver Kids, another anime TMS made.
Scratch and Grounder had nothing to do with them.
made by the guy behind Lupin III. Which also explains why Rouge was more Fujiko-like in behavior
A futuristic city full of sonic's animal pals would had been better than the boring countryside place in Sonic Boom.
This pilot doesn't really show any better writing though. Notice how nobody is talking, they're that inept at dialogue. Also "Sonic will need strong friends like Tails and Amy" some idiot unironically wrote this. >The only thing Tails does is fly the plane, Amy doesn't do shit to stop the rockets (I think the narrator called her the "moo/move maker"?)
Cream and Knuckles don't do shit either.
So yeah it would had been a DragonBall rip off. Only advantage you can assume is no Chris and no humans, but the self-absorbed trash writing will still be there.
This happens for every Sonic thread. Jannies just delete random posts at a frequency for no reason. It feels like they are stalking certain anons, who then can't even denounce it publicy.
But most pilots I have seen at least establishes characters, plot and have typical scenario so they can pitch it to the network (again, see OVA Sonic)
This wasn't a pilot, it was basically an animated elevator pitch.
And considering that the full show was nothing more than a monster of the week kids show, I don't think it was elevated from it's pilot origins.
The only thing I think it's better is that it takes place pon Mobius/Planet Freedom/SonicWorld instead pof 2 worlds shit, but stupid execs had a boner for surrogate audiences so Chris0chan was born
>This wasn't a pilot, it was basically an animated elevator pitch.
To be fair, the 'pilot short' is often used sometimes as well, and can communicate the nature and tone of a certain series/movie just as well as a pilot episode if done well in itself.
That said, if you prefer still one format over the other, that's fine.
>This wasn't a pilot, it was basically an animated elevator pitch.
To be fair, the 'pilot short' is often used sometimes as well, and can communicate the nature and tone of a certain series/movie just as well as a pilot episode if done well in itself.
That said, if you prefer still one format over the other, that's fine.
Ghostbusters too, the pilot it had was only as long as the theme song.
I just don't think any Sonic animated depiction will ever top the CD OVA, even if it's cheesy and 90s as hell. I feel like Sonic being an butthole who needs to be convinced to save the world is the "2 fast 2 cool" attitude that he was created with in mind
>an butthole who needs to be convinced to save the world is the "2 fast 2 cool" attitude that he was created with in mind
That's exactly what characterization I had in mind for him even before X and the OVA.
The way he just sits like a fricking butthole waiting while Tails tugs on his feet to get his ass moving. It reminded me of that PPG episode Too Pooped to Puff
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/The-Powerpuff-Girls-Season-02/Episode-003-b-Too-Pooped-To-Puff?id=4570
I just don't think any Sonic animated depiction will ever top the CD OVA, even if it's cheesy and 90s as hell. I feel like Sonic being an butthole who needs to be convinced to save the world is the "2 fast 2 cool" attitude that he was created with in mind
Archie are a bunch of mental morons who can't write a simple concept to save their lives, let alone a nuanced thing such as a charming butthole. The idea is good, your writers like Ian and that other moron I can't remember right now suck monkey dick.
>only to be met with animation that would make any shounen anime laugh at how cheap it is.
Really? I thought the show sucked anus myself, but even it had more decent cuts (least when they had room for them) than your average shounen of the time.
Compared to Naruto it sucked dickus wiggus. The animation was Ying Yang Yo tier.
>The idea is good
The very idea itself is as un-Sonic as it can get. Sonic isn't an butthole. OVA is factually disrespecting to Sonic's inner character, and I'm glad it's uncanon and buried deep like poop along Archie shit.
You never heard of Peter Pan or Pippi Longstocking? There's plenty of smiling friendly heroes with a careless selfish ego streak.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Irrelevant. Sonic is not an butthole.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Implying
Show me in the manuals right now what it says about his personality.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The japanese Genesis manuals, cretin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sonic's personality isn't mentioned in the manual outside of Eggman's description of 生意気. Not surprising that someone who uses the expression "Japanese Genesis" knows nothing.
That's more like IDW Sonic, refusing to rejoin the resistance
Archie Sonic didn't need an excuse to fight evil and save/protect the world, he did it just because
Nah, it's not that. Something about the execution of Archie Sonic makes him feel like the writer is using him to vent his dislike of other characters. I recall him being needlessly dickish to Shadow and Amy during times when it wasn't called for at all. As if he has a grudge and just never drops it, which seems especially unlike Sonic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fiona will never love Tails. Let it go.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're mistaking me for someone else, I don't give a shit about Fiona.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Still caught up on Tails
This is some serious autism, anon.
I think what you have to remember is that like in most fandoms the Sonic fandom has a lot of people who have a desperate need to be 'right', and the easiest way to be 'right' is to adhere to canon, in this case mainline game canon. It doesn't matter if a lot of the stuff in the mainline games is of questionable quality or indeed that a lot of people find the third-party stuff more interesting or enjoyable, if you can say "Games say X" then that's it. There's no wiggle room or discussion about the merits of other continuities or how they handle the characters, world or tone, it's much easier to state what the game canon is rather than to justify or advocate for it.
3D sonic sucked massive donkey wiener ever since the first 3D racing game. The handling is absolute dog shit and it feels like you're dragging a dog on a leash. There's absolutely no drifting mechanic in Sonic which makes it impossible to play as a racing game with any turns in it. Sonic can only do draft races, no drifting. And platforming is a horrible genre to mix with racing, at least the kind of platforming Sega did.
I can come up with a few games that did what Sonic tried a million times better, but when Sonic team thought about Sonic they thought of "Pinball the platformer" first and "actual good video game" last. I wish they would have kept with their occult pyramid shit at least and not that gay environmentalism vs industrialism garbage. So hypocritical coming from Japan of all places, or was that idea pushed by America, not Japan?
If you want a good Sonic game play Nitronic Rush , Freedom Planet, Spark the Electric Jester, Jazz Jackrabbit and maybe a few Megaman games.
Hell even Super Mario+World is better for speedrunning than Sonic the moron who loses all his speed and has to build it up again only to lose it all again and all his hearts I mean rings from 1 slow-moving projectile or one moronic enemy or spike that normally should be obliterated by the speed you're going.
TMS was the equivalent of DIC aka commercial garbage. It wasn't what we have now like Titmouse and offshoots of it like Flying Bark Productions.
Of course there are talent that can from the shittiest of studios, but often times those are reserved for movies/specials and often times it's only 10% of the studio's best. I saw movies where they'd often hire 3 different studios to make a movie because they didn't have enough quality animators to do it.
>TMS was the equivalent of DIC aka commercial garbage.
By that logic most non-/anime studios fit that bill.
>It wasn't what we have now like Titmouse and offshoots of it like Flying Bark Productions.
Sure, when they're not relying on ToonBoom and making "money shot" scenes on ToonBoom 95% of the time. I'll give that they seem to have a better grasp of that 'framerate modulation' technique than even film studios.
>Of course there are talent that can from the shittiest of studios, but often times those are reserved for movies/specials and often times it's only 10% of the studio's best. >I saw movies where they'd often hire 3 different studios to make a movie because they didn't have enough quality animators to do it.
So, the average anime production pipeline.
If I was ever in charge of hiring animation studios I'd go with whatever DC and Marvel has been hiring, they always seem to hire in-house studios that know what they're doing visual wise.
When CN finally hired an in-house studio they complained so hard they cancelled the show near the end of season 2 and vowed to never pay for the animation ever again, that show was called Swat Kats. After that all the good animation for Megas XLR, Ben 10, Storm Hawks, ATOM, Pirates of Black Water, Men In Black, Ozzie and Drix, Extreme Ghostbusters, etc. came from studios not owned by CN. I'm not sure how they handled Kids Next Door, probably a joint animation studio, that show was also too well animated for the garbage CN was used to producing.
>When CN finally hired an in-house studio they complained so hard they cancelled the show near the end of season 2 and vowed to never pay for the animation ever again, that show was called Swat Kats.
Swat Kats was produced by Hanna-Barbera, which CN literally grew in and out of. Anyways, that show was cancelled because of mediocre toy sales despite accruing decent ratings during its run, or so I've been told. CN still worked with Mook Animation, one of the better studios hired for the show's animation, on things like those four Scooby-Doo DTV films from that time.
>I'd go with whatever DC and Marvel has been hiring >After that all the good animation for Megas XLR, Ben 10, Storm Hawks, ATOM, Pirates of Black Water, Men In Black, Ozzie and Drix, Extreme Ghostbusters, etc.
I believe some of those shows had studios like Madhouse, the aforementioned Mook, Telecom, DR Movie and Koko (both of which were some of the better Korean studios, imo) involved in varying degrees, hence why they had pretty above mid-decent animation on average.
True I'd say, it's funny how he's a cartoon character first and game character second even though he actually originates in a game. I always thought Sonic gameplay felt inherently flawed and unwieldy.
>I always thought Sonic gameplay felt inherently flawed and unwieldy.
I thought it was fine, the old 2D ones at least. It gets pretty fluid once you get the hang of it.
NTA, but I've also had trouble clicking with 2D Sonic. I've beaten them all, but to me they always feel like I'm just always walking to the right until something stops me most of the time, it feels like it's a lot more based on memorizing a stage so you can do it fast than it is to "reacting" to things
>but to me they always feel like I'm just always walking to the right until something stops me most of the time
So the 2D platformer experience, eh?
Well most 2D platformers don't advertise themselves for their speed
Tbf I'm gonna give you that it's similar to my experience with Mario 64; advertising these fun 3D worlds when the actual design for most of them turns out to be dull as frick, which is a shame considering that was always the 2D games' forte
I can't say I felt like Mario 64 underdelivered? Like it's primitive but it is quite literally one of the first 3d platformers and still has momentum and physics that a good chunk of modern 3d platformers fail to match. The only thing in it that strikes me as clumsy is the camera's controls. Still would replay it anyday over Sonic games.
>still has momentum and physics that a good chunk of modern 3d platformers fail to match.
They're literally garbage what the frick
>and still has momentum and physics
And I felt that's all the dev team ever gave a shit about, and nothing else. Even for an early 3D platformer, the level design could've been much better than it actually turned out. I think Crash Bandicoot from that same year was a better transitional point to 3D, and Spyro from two years later a better take on what 64 attempted to be.
Can't say I agree. The "big difference" between SMB and other NES platformers that gave it an edge even when more and more came out was always the weight and momentum. It's the reason something like Adventure Island sucked dick compared to SMB. SM64 focusing on movemet and physics is just being loyal to what Mario's edge always was. Stuff like Crash struck me as boring to control due to how little the movement in that game cared for gravity.
I think you're deeply wrong.
>SM64 focusing on movemet and physics is just being loyal to what Mario's edge always was.
Nah, it's more level design to me, which Mario 64 really faltered at. Even Bano-Kazooie from around Spyro's time manages to capture that balance 64 lacked.
>Stuff like Crash struck me as boring to control due to how little the movement in that game cared for gravity.
Nah. I thought the amount to weight and movement was appropriate even if not as "dynamic" as Mario 64's, but I guess pretty decent level design really helped with that.
Nah, it's less about being a 2d platformer and more about feeling unengaged multiple times in a level.
try one of the fanmade hacks that makes the game widescreen instead of 4:3, it'll give you more reaction time
I got dizzy playing them. Too fast! lol
I replayed the first one on Origins recently and I found it to be rather cheap a lot of the time. The second and third games really improved on it but I can certainly see why newcomers to the series who play the first one would get a bad impression of the classic series. It doesn't help that Sonic really takes his time to shift into gear.
They're fun for a short burst, but being pinballed all over the stage gets old pretty quick. I feel like it would take playing the games 20 times before I understood the level layouts, and I just don't care enough to do that.
Well he is Japanese. Whenever they have an IP that is both a cartoon and a game, the quality is never any good for the game.
Dafaq did you just say?
Mario has an anime?
A couple, dating back to the '80s even.
Mario gets cucked by a dog
all i know about that movie is that a woman voiced bowser in it
Why are the mushrooms naked?
That game is incredibly boring.
Of course Archiegays would say something like that.
I do like me some pancakes
SHUT THE FRICK UP ABOUT PANCAKES
You're just mad you can't get them to be circular.
>Sonic gameplay felt inherently flawed and unwieldy.
It was intended to have pinball game physics. If you look at the designs of the stages you'll see how much in common they have with pinball game layouts.
That's because you're too slow
No you're too slow... in the mind.
I thought his video games sucked hard too, sucked harder than Super Mario's which frankly I found his original arcade game where you got to toss turtles on their backs and throw them back in the pipes they came from much more intriguing than a shitty platformer.
Super Mario World evolved the concept of warp pipes and powerful power ups like Yoshi and the cape, but it didn't evolve the main gameplay which is just to run like a moron from left to right. It kinda tried to do something with the keys, springers, secret doors, but it wasn't enough, I needed more interesting objectives and level design.
>only to be met with animation that would make any shounen anime laugh at how cheap it is.
Really? I thought the show sucked anus myself, but even it had more decent cuts (least when they had room for them) than your average shounen of the time.
I agree. Sonic's whole gimmick of trying to speedrun a 2D level sounds good in theory, but the actual level designs are filled with:
1. Railroading sections where you're going fast because you're literally doing nothing but entering in a fake cutscene of you spinning around some spiral thingy while jumping in the air
2. Random obstacles put your path that force you to stop
Now, I get the IDEA is that you're supposed to memorize the levels over time and then replay them doing them better and faster each time because you jump in preparation for a spike trap that is coming up, but more often than not, the obstacles are something you can't actually speedrun through even if you know they're coming. Like some object you need to bounce up and down on in order to push it down, or running dead stop into a wall with a bouncy pad in the corner that allows you to go up but kills all your momentum.
I dunno, traditional Sonic gameplay just never felt very fun to me.
As someone who fell for the blast processing meme as a kid instead going for Mario like most kids did, I'd say I disagree. I do think Mario games are better now but the original Sonic games where great fun and it's no wonder e.g. autistic people are so into Sonic because the games are very rewarding in that kind of way.
>I do think Mario games are better now
As someone who was a nintoddler for all his gaming life, I'd disagree. While I agree they're better on average than Sonic games, I'd say that in a "that's isn't saying much" sort of manner, as I think the current entries feel rather "stale" in their own way, for lack of a better explanation. Honestly indie games provide much better experiences than either franchise nowadays.
Only if you are a diaper homosexual who obsess too much with a chipmunk OC shit.
Does anyone have the "Nobody's talking about pancakes" image for these anons?
He didn't call them Archiegays, he said that they'd say something like that. You've been had this time.
1, 2, CD, 3&K, 3D Blast, SA1, SA2 and Heroes are all fun console platformers
and then Sega merged with Sammy in 2004 and Sonic Team became an extremely hit or miss studio
That’s because most of the creative talents who had made up the original Sonic Team had pretty much left SEGA, “Sonic Team” is just a moniker use for whatever slapped together group SEGA pulls from to work on the latest Sonic game.
This is something I've come to realize and have to accept, a major reason a lot of franchises suck now is because the people who made it what it was are gone.
And the company refuses to hire talented people.
Same way Capcom refused to hire Konami to make their Megaman games not suck dick.
in other words they just pick zenny counters and hobos to do Sonic games
>Heroes
What the frick are you talking about, anon? Heroes is fricking awful.
Stealth Cinemaphile thread?
Well, yes. Sonic is a game character.
>movie game
This aged well, besides the frogshit.
It's absurd to me that we have people unironically defending the shit games on the right nowadays. I get they're zoomers, but when I defend shit from my childhood I go for the things that I know hold up, not for the ones that are clearly shit.
cmon dude...cmon man cmon they werent that bad cmon champ cmon
Yeah dude this dogshit game is secretly good because uuuh something something egoraptor something something IGN video
uuuuuuuuh just BECAUSE
>because uuuh something something egoraptor
Isn't that the guy who said Megaman was great because it didn't tell you that you could wall jump?
Yeah, he's a fat homosexual who is fat and a homosexual. Sonic fans are convinced he is part of the reason Sonic became a laughingstock despite people shitting on Sega's recent output before Egoraptor was even popular online.
I defend Batman Dark Tomorrow
I don't know why. Video games are pretty dogshit.
It now is thanks to a shit eating Mario gay. No one cares he can't git good at 2D Sonic.
We can still talk about the movies I guess
>Sonic is better when it's not interactive.
Sonic is better when the Japs have no involvement.
Ironically one of the better Sanic shows were produced by Japs. Yes I'm referring to X.
I loved Sonic X
>It's funny because X is the worst one
Not really, that's Underground and Adventures.
It's funny because X is the worst one, and not by a small margin.
There's no way in hell its worse than underground.
The one with Chris-ruins-everything, and sleeps-until-noon Sonic?
>Chris-ruins-everything
>sleeps-until-noon Sonic
Why the autistic terms? Anyways, yeah.
Poor Chris. Nobody likes him.
he just liked sonic alot
BROKE: Shadow is Sonic's Vegeta.
WOKE: Sonic is Sonic's Vegeta.
:=0
I like x Show
I HATE y SHOW
>I like x Show
This is a Sigma board, Xgay.
Poor example, the only good cartoons in this franchise are AoStH, Boom, Mania Adventures and the movies, everything else is trash.
>but
EVERYTHING ELSE IS TRASH.
>AoStH, Boom, Mania Adventures and the movies, everything else is trash.
Nope; SATAM, X, and at least select episodes of Boom are the good ones. Everything else is trash though. That said, I've never watched Mania Adventures nor the movies.
He has Cinemaphile DNA after all. He's inspired on both Felix and Mickey.
I just watched sonic x for shadow because I had a crush on him ever since I was a teenager
To be fair the animation quality, while limited in that '00s anime fashion, does improve a bit by the time he shows up.
https://www.cinemablend.com/television/every-sonic-cartoon-tv-show-ranked
Do not be angry at facts, they mean no harm, merely to inform and correct.
>SatAMgay journie puts SatAM at the top.
Yeah, show is still garbage.
FFFFFFFFFFRICK YOU
>Tails, Princess Sally, Rotor the Walrus, Antoine Depardieu, Bunnie Rabbot (who's an actual cyborg!), and Dulcy the Dragon are all fantastic characters with distinct personalities
>Dulcy "Ma" the Dragon
>Fantastic character
Hell Rotor is a questionable addition to that list too but outside of scalies does anyone like Dulcy?
Hi, Richmunk.
I fricking hate Sea3on. Anyone else thinks it should be DMAC'd?
>Sonic X
Wasted opportunity
Sonic X is like they were trying to do the most awesome Sonic cartoon ever and two-thirds through production they realized they hate kids.
Eh, somewhat.
>and two-thirds through production they realized they hate kids.
Not as much as the games around that point.
Didn't it end with like space mech people war or am I misremebering it?
No you're correct.
>Didn't it end with like space mech people war or am I misremebering it?
No you're not.
It ends with Tails being forced to kill his girlfriend for some reason I can't remember.
You people shit on half the Sonic shows and half of the comics.
How can you say that?
Because "Sonic media is 50% shit" is still better than Sega's current output of "Sonic games are 90% shit"
The only good Sonic media is Sonic Underground, and its official continuation by Tamers12345.
Actual mobians ? Is this the pilot ?
>Is this the pilot ?
Yes, there's a short video floating about online. It looked better than what we got but it's very short.
I wouldn't be surprised if the meddling was nearly all on Sega's part. TMS seems like they wanted to do their own take on Mobius and all.
>Mobius
The show was made in Japan. There is no Mobius.
I'm talking about what -TMS- probably intended with that pilot.
It was probably going to be like the games. An alternate Earth with humans and Sonic-people, but it was split for some reason.
>It was probably going to be like the games.
Maybe, but that pilot still had more anthro civilians visible than nearly any of the games.
Yeah, but Chris and his friend Danny were in the pilot. Unless the plot was reversed and they were transported from Earth to Sonic's world and the anime would've taken place there for a majority instead.
It’s interesting just how many things TMS took from Western Sonic media when making Sonic X, you have the Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts expies, the two worlds shit and there’s even an Uncle Chuck of sorts.
Decoe and Bocoe were based on robots in Kinkyu Hasshin Saver Kids, another anime TMS made.
Scratch and Grounder had nothing to do with them.
>Kinkyu Hasshin Saver Kids
I'm surprised someone's even heard of that show.
>Kinkyu Hasshin Saver Kids
Huh, the more you know, thank you.
Still, TMS DID do some animation work on AoStH.
I guess the comparison is more apparent when you consider Bokkun being rather similar to Coconuts though that might be coincidental as well.
>TMS DID do some animation work on AoStH.
They also did this around the same time.
that would have been a very interesting alternate reality if it ended up becoming an actual cartoon.
you can really see the wb influence
The two bumbling odd couple-like goons are a strong trope
Don't reply to the deluded Archiecuck. He's embarrassing hinself.
He's talking about AOSTH you fricking reatard. Not even a single mention of Archie.
Here we go with that pancakes shit again
made by the guy behind Lupin III. Which also explains why Rouge was more Fujiko-like in behavior
This is what they took from you.
They really could have used a better voice in this.
>sonic causing all that collateral damage
Don't let JJJ see this.
He already knows.
>Crystal Rainbow Stone
Okay?
>Shadow there since day 0
Okay?
A futuristic city full of sonic's animal pals would had been better than the boring countryside place in Sonic Boom.
This pilot doesn't really show any better writing though. Notice how nobody is talking, they're that inept at dialogue. Also "Sonic will need strong friends like Tails and Amy" some idiot unironically wrote this.
>The only thing Tails does is fly the plane, Amy doesn't do shit to stop the rockets (I think the narrator called her the "moo/move maker"?)
Cream and Knuckles don't do shit either.
So yeah it would had been a DragonBall rip off. Only advantage you can assume is no Chris and no humans, but the self-absorbed trash writing will still be there.
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>people actually think Sonic X was good.
Yes, just like SATAM.
Christ still existed. It was problem just humans and animal people living on the same planet instead of separate dimensions.
The characters is the biggest strength of the franchise, and the games continuously do nothing with them, so that is not really a surprise.
Eh I like both ways.
Sonic is pretty much always cool
Sonic would be better if it didint exist
>screenshot of a sonic cartoon gets deleted in a sonic cartoon thread
Why?
This happens for every Sonic thread. Jannies just delete random posts at a frequency for no reason. It feels like they are stalking certain anons, who then can't even denounce it publicy.
I knew it. One of the schizos is a mod.
>homie fricking baiting with Silver in the thumbnail.
If you like it, that's fine.
But most pilots I have seen at least establishes characters, plot and have typical scenario so they can pitch it to the network (again, see OVA Sonic)
This wasn't a pilot, it was basically an animated elevator pitch.
And considering that the full show was nothing more than a monster of the week kids show, I don't think it was elevated from it's pilot origins.
The only thing I think it's better is that it takes place pon Mobius/Planet Freedom/SonicWorld instead pof 2 worlds shit, but stupid execs had a boner for surrogate audiences so Chris0chan was born
>This wasn't a pilot, it was basically an animated elevator pitch.
To be fair, the 'pilot short' is often used sometimes as well, and can communicate the nature and tone of a certain series/movie just as well as a pilot episode if done well in itself.
That said, if you prefer still one format over the other, that's fine.
Ghostbusters too, the pilot it had was only as long as the theme song.
>Season 2 and 1 are barely any better than the likes of fricking Underground.
Nah, even those are leagues above Underground in presentation.
I just don't think any Sonic animated depiction will ever top the CD OVA, even if it's cheesy and 90s as hell. I feel like Sonic being an butthole who needs to be convinced to save the world is the "2 fast 2 cool" attitude that he was created with in mind
STRANGE ISNT IT?
That fricking South Island theme is a major bop.
>an butthole who needs to be convinced to save the world is the "2 fast 2 cool" attitude that he was created with in mind
That's exactly what characterization I had in mind for him even before X and the OVA.
The way he just sits like a fricking butthole waiting while Tails tugs on his feet to get his ass moving. It reminded me of that PPG episode Too Pooped to Puff
https://kimcartoon.li/Cartoon/The-Powerpuff-Girls-Season-02/Episode-003-b-Too-Pooped-To-Puff?id=4570
So basically, Sonic in Archie.
Yeah, no.
Archie are a bunch of mental morons who can't write a simple concept to save their lives, let alone a nuanced thing such as a charming butthole. The idea is good, your writers like Ian and that other moron I can't remember right now suck monkey dick.
Compared to Naruto it sucked dickus wiggus. The animation was Ying Yang Yo tier.
>The idea is good
The very idea itself is as un-Sonic as it can get. Sonic isn't an butthole. OVA is factually disrespecting to Sonic's inner character, and I'm glad it's uncanon and buried deep like poop along Archie shit.
You never heard of Peter Pan or Pippi Longstocking? There's plenty of smiling friendly heroes with a careless selfish ego streak.
Irrelevant. Sonic is not an butthole.
>Implying
Show me in the manuals right now what it says about his personality.
The japanese Genesis manuals, cretin.
Sonic's personality isn't mentioned in the manual outside of Eggman's description of 生意気. Not surprising that someone who uses the expression "Japanese Genesis" knows nothing.
Grow up, Richard Kuta.
Richmunk...
>Naruto
Not really lol that shit leaned on the "money shot fight scene" phenomenon pretty fricking hard.
>The animation was Ying Yang Yo tier.
Even that shit has more movement than Nurutu though.
That's more like IDW Sonic, refusing to rejoin the resistance
Archie Sonic didn't need an excuse to fight evil and save/protect the world, he did it just because
OVA Sonic was a smart alec with some assholish moments, but he wasn't an obnoxious shithead like Archie Sonic.
God Archie Sonic is so insufferable. I just don't like how he's written at all, he's such a douche to everyone.
They both are literally the same
I disagree, Archie Sonic takes it too far.
Doesn't matter. Both are quite literally OOC. No doubt they are both dead and buried.
So does OVA Sonic, unironically ever considering he doesn't want to save the world and would rather mind his business. Sonic is not an butthole.
Only if you're a Tailsgay.
Nah, it's not that. Something about the execution of Archie Sonic makes him feel like the writer is using him to vent his dislike of other characters. I recall him being needlessly dickish to Shadow and Amy during times when it wasn't called for at all. As if he has a grudge and just never drops it, which seems especially unlike Sonic.
Fiona will never love Tails. Let it go.
You're mistaking me for someone else, I don't give a shit about Fiona.
>Still caught up on Tails
This is some serious autism, anon.
Projection.
does holding forward for 20 seconds count as interactive?
Got to give Sonic Team credit, starting a launch game with a tech demo but it worked. Didn't save the Dreamcast though.
If you let go, then Sanic breaks momentum and the whale eats his ass.
For a moment I read the OP post as
>Sonic is better when he's not attractive
...
Why do people get butthurt over the word mobian? It's merely a easy way to refer to 3ft tall animal characters in Sonic's universe. Got a better term?
Sonic's Worldian
I think what you have to remember is that like in most fandoms the Sonic fandom has a lot of people who have a desperate need to be 'right', and the easiest way to be 'right' is to adhere to canon, in this case mainline game canon. It doesn't matter if a lot of the stuff in the mainline games is of questionable quality or indeed that a lot of people find the third-party stuff more interesting or enjoyable, if you can say "Games say X" then that's it. There's no wiggle room or discussion about the merits of other continuities or how they handle the characters, world or tone, it's much easier to state what the game canon is rather than to justify or advocate for it.
3D sonic sucked massive donkey wiener ever since the first 3D racing game. The handling is absolute dog shit and it feels like you're dragging a dog on a leash. There's absolutely no drifting mechanic in Sonic which makes it impossible to play as a racing game with any turns in it. Sonic can only do draft races, no drifting. And platforming is a horrible genre to mix with racing, at least the kind of platforming Sega did.
I can come up with a few games that did what Sonic tried a million times better, but when Sonic team thought about Sonic they thought of "Pinball the platformer" first and "actual good video game" last. I wish they would have kept with their occult pyramid shit at least and not that gay environmentalism vs industrialism garbage. So hypocritical coming from Japan of all places, or was that idea pushed by America, not Japan?
The best sonic racing game (and IMO best kart racer period) is SRB2Kart which is a fangame of a fangame lol.
If you want a good Sonic game play Nitronic Rush , Freedom Planet, Spark the Electric Jester, Jazz Jackrabbit and maybe a few Megaman games.
Hell even Super Mario+World is better for speedrunning than Sonic the moron who loses all his speed and has to build it up again only to lose it all again and all his hearts I mean rings from 1 slow-moving projectile or one moronic enemy or spike that normally should be obliterated by the speed you're going.
>only canon continuity
Everything is canon. Every non-game media: shows, books, movies, spin-off series like Boom are all just alternate universes
Rent free
TMS was the equivalent of DIC aka commercial garbage. It wasn't what we have now like Titmouse and offshoots of it like Flying Bark Productions.
Of course there are talent that can from the shittiest of studios, but often times those are reserved for movies/specials and often times it's only 10% of the studio's best. I saw movies where they'd often hire 3 different studios to make a movie because they didn't have enough quality animators to do it.
>TMS was the equivalent of DIC aka commercial garbage.
By that logic most non-/anime studios fit that bill.
>It wasn't what we have now like Titmouse and offshoots of it like Flying Bark Productions.
Sure, when they're not relying on ToonBoom and making "money shot" scenes on ToonBoom 95% of the time. I'll give that they seem to have a better grasp of that 'framerate modulation' technique than even film studios.
>Of course there are talent that can from the shittiest of studios, but often times those are reserved for movies/specials and often times it's only 10% of the studio's best.
>I saw movies where they'd often hire 3 different studios to make a movie because they didn't have enough quality animators to do it.
So, the average anime production pipeline.
If I was ever in charge of hiring animation studios I'd go with whatever DC and Marvel has been hiring, they always seem to hire in-house studios that know what they're doing visual wise.
When CN finally hired an in-house studio they complained so hard they cancelled the show near the end of season 2 and vowed to never pay for the animation ever again, that show was called Swat Kats. After that all the good animation for Megas XLR, Ben 10, Storm Hawks, ATOM, Pirates of Black Water, Men In Black, Ozzie and Drix, Extreme Ghostbusters, etc. came from studios not owned by CN. I'm not sure how they handled Kids Next Door, probably a joint animation studio, that show was also too well animated for the garbage CN was used to producing.
>When CN finally hired an in-house studio they complained so hard they cancelled the show near the end of season 2 and vowed to never pay for the animation ever again, that show was called Swat Kats.
Swat Kats was produced by Hanna-Barbera, which CN literally grew in and out of. Anyways, that show was cancelled because of mediocre toy sales despite accruing decent ratings during its run, or so I've been told. CN still worked with Mook Animation, one of the better studios hired for the show's animation, on things like those four Scooby-Doo DTV films from that time.
>I'd go with whatever DC and Marvel has been hiring
>After that all the good animation for Megas XLR, Ben 10, Storm Hawks, ATOM, Pirates of Black Water, Men In Black, Ozzie and Drix, Extreme Ghostbusters, etc.
I believe some of those shows had studios like Madhouse, the aforementioned Mook, Telecom, DR Movie and Koko (both of which were some of the better Korean studios, imo) involved in varying degrees, hence why they had pretty above mid-decent animation on average.
Sonic was never good
This thread is full of utter plebs.
Ignorant fools, everyone knows that the only good thing about Sonic is the music, there's even a sonic series that proves it.