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                Trash

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What a complete waste of time that was. I don't know what in the hell convinced Sega that making a four part mini series featuring a character not associated with the franchise in its current state tying into a game with lukewarm reception was remotely good idea. It's decisions like this that astound me that IDW's run is still ongoing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sega don't decide these minis, the writer, in this case Ian, pitch them to Sega and get either a yes or a no. As for why Ian decided this was a good idea, it's because he's a talentless hack and a shitty writer and a fricking homosexual in general.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Someone at Sega still said yes to this pitch despite Superstars' reception and Fang not exactly having much star appeal.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ian did not pitch this mini

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes he did, same as he pitched Bad Guys and Tangle & Whisper

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ian's writing on IDW has sucked but you people act like he raped your mothers or something.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sonic fans can't into nuance. You're either the second coming of Jesus Christ or a war criminal.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair if you get nothing but passable mediocrity from one guy for 10+ years, the passive reaction will slowly change to frustration.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not talking about the existence of praise and criticism. I'm talking the morons all over, including here, who can't hold a conversation because they've convinced themselves people or companies are monoliths.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ian's writing has always sucked, that's why he's a talentless hack. That he's a homosexual is my derision of his character outside of his work.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Getting mad at him for being accepting of the gays.
                >Not getting mad at him for condescending pandering, encouraging cult behavior, and not being able to accept that he's wrong sometimes.
                moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sega didn't realize that the people who wanted more Fang wanted him to appear in the modern games as a bounty hunter type mini-boss where there is a story.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or just to appear with any justification beyond
                >Look! It's Fang!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Like hell I do, FRICK Modern. I just want him to have something more substantial in Classic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What a complete waste of time that was
                Me after dropping IDW Sonic less than 10 issues into the metal virus arc.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well that was ok. Nothing surprising but it's actually interesting to see Fang Bean and Bark go their own ways at the end instead of making up/ stickling to the status quo.

                Thanks for the Storytime.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As far as I’m concerned, they’re effectively retired from the franchise without Fang.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fang being able to warp is cool but he never once uses it in the game and I doubt he'll ever use it again so I'm confused as to what the point of this comic was except ruining one of the fun trios and further removing any spice these comics have

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Hooligan are now officially disbanded.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was a lame way to break them up. I liked this trio. Thanks for the storytime.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I feel like that bubble is incorrectly given to King

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is moronic. Why is Bark final boss tough?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                because Bark's always been as tough as Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. and Heavy King is just a regular boss you fight in Knuckles' route of Mania, he only gets a powerup at the very end in a different form.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If we went by gameplay logic sure. But in stories characters power and relevance are usually pretty proportional. Cream and Cheese are god tier in Advance 2 but they are just depicted as a regular little girl and her pet in most stories.
                Bark was a D-lister in a single game. Making him scuff up Heavy King dies more to make Heavy King look like a joke, which is a pretty big blow because he's supposed to be the leader of a whole team.
                Someone said In the other thread that the Hardboiled Heavies had been demoted to the role of the classic equivalent of the Zeti. That really seems to be the case. Which is sad because I consider them the face of a fantastic game.
                I'd unironically rather they be laid to rest than stick around to make minor characters look good.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look at it this way then:
                Bark is regularly shown to be stronger than Knuckles, but slower. In comics and such he’s made Knuckles/Mighty’s rival for this.
                Knuckles beats up Heavy King in Mania while Heavy King had the Master Emerald as a buff
                Bark is just doing the same, but for the bad guys’ side. Without the Master Emerald buff. And losing anyway. If even that doesn’t satisfy you then you don’t like how the Heavies factually are in Mania.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They apparently don't have a functionality anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Power levels are stupid and you're stupid for worrying about them.

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                Anonymous

                This isn't a power level thing it's a "wow, this guy is a leader of major antagonistic threat? You sure?"
                thing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, that's power levels, stupid.
                Anyone can beat anyone in a fight. Acting like a hierarchy exists is what power levels IS.

                Bark lost to the guy. You're suggesting that Bark should have just outright died because.... Heavy King leads a group.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Bark should have just outright died because...
                Would explain a lot actually.

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                >Anyone can beat anyone in a fight.
                Except IDW Shadow.

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                Anonymous

                True! His constant jobbing is silly.

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                Haiku Slash

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                Anonymous

                You see it's funny because he doesn't talk.

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          Anonymous

          Is that a jojo reference?

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the end for Team Hooligan.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, that was boring.
    How long until IDW goes under? The main series doesn't have many issues left, right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IDW will never die. It somehow manages to keep going.

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    Anonymous

    was the last main series IDW comic storytimed?

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    Anonymous

    This was probably the first decent IDW comic in a while. Nothing happened in it that triggered me.

    Although I don't like the idea of bringing continuity to the Classic comics. Weren't these supposed to be totally static sidestories for the actual ongoing continuity with the Modern characters? I'll only accept this if it results in the Hooligans getting brought back into Modern continuity.

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      Anonymous

      The fact that "it didn't piss me off" is the set bar for this comic series is a sad one.

      IDW will never die. It somehow manages to keep going.

      You know, I learned an interesting bit of trivia that Marvel and DC started off as legitimate fronts for the mob, and given IDWs inexplicable resistance to death, despite it's carousel of upper management and freefalling finances, I'm beginning to think that something similar is in place over there.

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        Anonymous

        >The fact that "it didn't piss me off" is the set bar for this comic series is a sad one.
        And still an extremely low one, since at any point you could be reminded of either this comic's pitfalls or all the things Sega's taken from us, whether it's Amy saying "Fortune Cards", Metal Sonic being Eggman's only henchman, the OCs sucking all the oxygen out of the comic with their melodrama, some random continuity cameo, or Shadow just showing up at all.

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    Anonymous

    Fang is one of my favourite Sonic characters, so I was quite looking forward to this.
    But frick dude, I didn't like it at all. Not too fond of how Fang was written, absolurely nowhere near as fun as he usually is in the comics. He doesn't come across as much of a little rat shitbag in this and takes himself too seriously, I guess? it's hard to articulate, he just felt really 'off'. And the constant usage of him saying 'mook' was grating as all hell.
    Also, REALLY hate how much of a wet blanket Bean was throughout this, pretty damn out of character. I get that it was to split up the trio (also pretty fricking moronic, guessing this is some Sega mandated shit), but it wasn't entertaining to read, it was a drag.
    Art was great as usual though, so at least I have some nice artwork featuring these three.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Splitting up the trio is perfect because that means the comics (and Flynn) can finally move past this moronic nonsense team that only makes Bean and Bark OOC. They're supposed to be Sonic's friends, not Fang's butt buddies.

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        Anonymous

        I guess if there's anything Sonic needs, it's even more friends and an even smaller rouge's gallery.

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          Idk how you can meaningfully argue that Bean and Bark "added" to the rogues gallery when they were just Fang's lackies. Fang has already shown in Superstars that he can still put up a fight without those two.

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        Anonymous

        when have they every been friends?

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          Anonymous

          Since Fighters.

          https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Fighters
          https://www.docdroid.net/ay0YClT/gamest-173-sonic-the-fighters-pdf

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implying they’re not permanently going back in the box
        Kek this anon. Enjoy the characters in your head because that’s where they’ll only be.

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        Anonymous

        Truthfully, I don't want Bean and Bark as friends, but I don't want them as Fang's goons either. I think they should just be neutral.

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        What's the point when these characters are mandated to be completely separate from the main continuity of the comic?

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          The point is that now they'll be used better instead of used often.

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            Anonymous

            Who cares if they're "used better" when it's likely we're never going to see these characters used in the comics again?

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              Anonymous

              Okay, so you just value screen time and not the actual characterizations. Got it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Actual Characterizations
                You mean your personal headcanon? I seriously doubt anyone was demanding these underutilized characters without speaking roles were written OOC when adapted to the comics

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                Nobody gives a shit about their old characterizations

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            Anonymous

            When were they used often?

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              Anonymous

              >a good chunk of Archie post-160
              >IDW Sonic 30th special
              >IDW Amy 30th special
              >this miniseries that actually took up space between the main issues
              I'm confident they would've been in the Tails' 30th Anniversary special too if the Witchcart's minions weren't in it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so you just value screen time and not the actual characterizations. Got it.

            Team Hooligan is why most cared for Bean and Bark and they were only showing up in cameos with Fang since Generations. What little characterization Bean and Bark had in canon was just one being wacky and loving sports while the other is a shy, but kind snowboarder from Fighters Megamix material. It's also just a fun team.

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      Anonymous

      >pretty damn out of character.
      Implying Bean was in-character beforehand.

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        Anonymous

        This. "Lolsorandom, booleg-Woody-Woodpecker Bean" was Flynn's hacky fanfiction, and it's good that we've finally moved past that.

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          > it's good that we've finally moved past that
          Into non-existence

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            We don't know that for certain. But part of me thinks Ian might not want to write Bean and Bark anymore if they don't act like their Archie versions.

            • 2 weeks ago
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              > We don't know that for certain.
              Yes we do. The reality you guys refuse to accept is that the only person bothering to use them at all was Ian. Splitting them up just makes them harder to use without Fang’s inclusion. And no, this isn’t some sign they’re going to be written “in character”. The only note Sega sent about them was making Bark be “the nice one” while still being a villain. If they truly cared about the original versions then they would have pushed it years ago. Face it, this is their death sentence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes we do. The reality you guys refuse to accept is that the only person bothering to use them at all was Ian.
                Oh yes, Ian is the only person on the planet who cares about Bean and Bark.

                >Splitting them up just makes them harder to use without Fang’s inclusion.
                Bean and Bark can work as a duo. They don't need to be Fang's minions.

                >And no, this isn’t some sign they’re going to be written “in character”.
                And you don't know that.

                >The only note Sega sent about them was making Bark be “the nice one” while still being a villain. If they truly cared about the original versions then they would have pushed it years ago. Face it, this is their death sentence.
                They're pushing it now by splitting Bean and Bark from Fang.

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                > Oh yes, Ian is the only person on the planet who cares about Bean and Bark.
                Who else bothers to touch them anon? Closest we got was Mania using them as cameos. Sega didn’t even include them in Superstars where it would have been easy to do so.
                > Bean and Bark can work as a duo. They don't need to be Fang's minions.
                This isn’t about what they can do but what will happen.
                > And you don't know that.
                > They're pushing it now by splitting Bean and Bark from Fang.
                Yes we do because they weren’t split up to push Bean and Bark but to push Fang in their new game. This isn’t about them.

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                Anonymous

                >Who else bothers to touch them anon? Closest we got was Mania using them as cameos. Sega didn’t even include them in Superstars where it would have been easy to do so.
                You're being overdramatic and doomsaying. Ian isn't the only person who knows they exist.

                >This isn’t about what they can do but what will happen.
                You don't know what will happen. You're making assumptions.

                >Yes we do because they weren’t split up to push Bean and Bark but to push Fang in their new game. This isn’t about them.
                Fang wasn't really an official team with Bean and Bark in the first place, and Fang doing his own thing doesn't mean Bean and Bark are being thrown into the vault forever.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You're being overdramatic and doomsaying. Ian isn't the only person who knows they exist.
                The fact you failed to give a single example of them being properly used by anyone else tells me all I need to know.
                >You're making assumptions
                I'm going off actual established facts. You guys are the ones jumping to this conclusion that they're going to be rewritten off of nothing but being written out.
                >Fang wasn't really an official team with Bean and Bark in the first place, and Fang doing his own thing doesn't mean Bean and Bark are being thrown into the vault forever.
                Yeah no shit, that's why Sega didn't use them. The point is that they don't matter to Sega. Them being split is not them saying anything about Bean and Bark, it's about their intentions with Fang. Bean and Bark have no future if they can't hang with the one character who did.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The fact you failed to give a single example of them being properly used by anyone else tells me all I need to know.
                Says the guy claiming Bean and Bark are gone forever because Ian is apparently the only person who likes them.

                >I'm going off actual established facts. You guys are the ones jumping to this conclusion that they're going to be rewritten off of nothing but being written out.
                What are these 'actual established facts"?

                >Yeah no shit, that's why Sega didn't use them. The point is that they don't matter to Sega. Them being split is not them saying anything about Bean and Bark, it's about their intentions with Fang. Bean and Bark have no future if they can't hang with the one character who did.
                This is just nonsense. Bean and Bark don't need to mooch off of Fang to exist. They are their own characters. They weren't introduced as Fang's minions.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Says the guy claiming Bean and Bark are gone forever because Ian is apparently the only person who likes them.
                I'll wait as long as you need to show me otherwise.
                >What are these 'actual established facts"?
                The only person to use them has been Ian for decades. Even when they were introduced in IDW's classic special, Sega made no demands for Bean or Bark to be wholly rewritten. When it came time to feature the team in a game Sega explicitly cuts out Bean and Bark even though this was the perfect time to use them if any.
                >This is just nonsense. Bean and Bark don't need to mooch off of Fang to exist.
                They do. You'll see, or more accurately you won't see anything.
                >They are their own characters. They weren't introduced as Fang's minions.
                They weren't introduced at all in the modern day like Fang. They do not matter to Sega.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'll wait as long as you need to show me otherwise.
                You have a very narrow thought pattern.

                >The only person to use them has been Ian for decades. Even when they were introduced in IDW's classic special, Sega made no demands for Bean or Bark to be wholly rewritten. When it came time to feature the team in a game Sega explicitly cuts out Bean and Bark even though this was the perfect time to use them if any.
                Like I said, narrow thinking. Also, Sega does not considered Fang, Bean, and Bark as a team. So why would they be packaged with Fang in a new game?

                >They do. You'll see, or more accurately you won't see anything.
                Whatever you say, man.

                >They weren't introduced at all in the modern day like Fang. They do not matter to Sega.
                Mighty and Ray had their time. Then later Fang had his time. They're just going to reintroduce everybody in one game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > You have a very narrow thought pattern.
                I accept your concession.
                > Also, Sega does not considered Fang, Bean, and Bark as a team. So why would they be packaged with Fang in a new game?
                Not sure why you’re saying this to me when that is exactly my point as to why they’re going to be fridged.
                > Mighty and Ray had their time. Then later Fang had his time. They're just going to reintroduce everybody in one game.
                All 3 are characters made by Sonic Team and it took decades and fan creators to bring them back. Bean and Bark don’t even have that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I really don't want to argue for hours on end over your gun-jumping, naive, and narrow-minded assumptions just because Bean and Bark aren't attached to Fang like leeches anymore.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What an apt analogy considering they’re dead without their nutrition.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, Bean is LITERALLY a woodpecker adopted by the Dynamite Dux. He was always meant to be a knockoff Woody, that's the entire point of the character.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That and the only game he's ever been in he was played up as being noticably toony, in an already toony fighting game no less.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This comic did a very good job in not liking Bark and Bean guys in the slightest. Unlikeable, and not in the good way. They can go frick themselves into irrelevance. Overall waste of time for a tie in for a shitty game.

        This. "Lolsorandom, booleg-Woody-Woodpecker Bean" was Flynn's hacky fanfiction, and it's good that we've finally moved past that.

        > it's good that we've finally moved past that
        Into non-existence

        no need to samegay friend. we get you like pretending to care for the shitty bear and duck from am2. keep suck their dick you weirdo.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This anon is dumb as frick.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice edit.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Like I said: Dumb as frick.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I’m making fun of those two though? The anons who give a shot about the original versions are silly as frick.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Fang had the Warp Topaz during Superstars.
    What is Ian trying to do here?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Follow orders

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Assuming Sonic the Fighters takes place after all of this, this means the Master Emerald was the defacto "eighth" chaos emerald ala retcon.

      Nothing. Evidently, Fang loses it at some point then Starline finds it...Unless it turns out there are two warp topazes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The "8th Chaos Emerald" was just the result of 8 characters you had to fight. I doubt Sega thought of any lore reason for it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Before Sonic Adventure, there wasn't a set amount of Chaos Emeralds. They were just magic rocks you could find on the islands. This is why the number of emeralds per game can range from 5-12.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I know there were only 6 in Sonic 1, but the number has been MOSTLY consistent with there being 7 since Sonic 2.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not even the number but the colors weren't consistent either. This is very much the case with the Game Gear games which tended to have only five emeralds (or in the case of Sonic Blast, One chaos emerald that was shattered into five shards).

              Basically, this incongruency was the premise behind the Fang mini-series. Out of universe, Sonic Team retcon'd everything with Sonic Adventure.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There was fricking 15 in S3&K.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What are you talking about? There was only 8 in S3&K: the 7 Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald. The 7 Super Emeralds are just the normal emeralds that have been charged up by the Master Emerald.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nope, as of Mania, the Super Emeralds are separate from the Chaos Emeralds and are currently in another dimension no one can access. 15 Emerdoods.
                We don't even know for sure that they're stronger, they could just be a second set and by going Hyper, Sonic is using both at once.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >are currently in another dimension no one can access
                Not even close to what was actually said. Iizuka said that they were "STILL in the another dimension" as in the dimension they were in previously, as in the Special Stages that literally all the playable characters can access.

                >We don't even know for sure that they're stronger, they could just be a second set and by going Hyper, Sonic is using both at once.
                Wtf are you even talking about? We know for a fact that they're stronger since the Hyper forms give Sonic and Knuckles greater speed and screen-clearing abilities. It's also impossible for the Hyper forms to be using both the Chaos and Super Emeralds, since you can only get the Super Emeralds after giving up the Chaos Emeralds and the ability to go Super.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >We don't even know for sure that they're stronger, they could just be a second set and by going Hyper, Sonic is using both at once.
                You literally see them get slotted into the Hidden Palace to get charged by the Master Emerald and you lose access to Super Sonic until they're charged, you fukken secondary

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >are currently in another dimension no one can access
                Not even close to what was actually said. Iizuka said that they were "STILL in the another dimension" as in the dimension they were in previously, as in the Special Stages that literally all the playable characters can access.

                >We don't even know for sure that they're stronger, they could just be a second set and by going Hyper, Sonic is using both at once.
                Wtf are you even talking about? We know for a fact that they're stronger since the Hyper forms give Sonic and Knuckles greater speed and screen-clearing abilities. It's also impossible for the Hyper forms to be using both the Chaos and Super Emeralds, since you can only get the Super Emeralds after giving up the Chaos Emeralds and the ability to go Super.

                Technically, they're still on Angel Island but Iizuka says stuff to get people off his back.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >without the Chaos Emeralds, the Super Emeralds return to wherever they came from
                So they're called the Super Emeralds because you need each of the Chaos Emeralds to summon and keep them in the dimension?
                Why? I know we're never going to see them again, but I'd at least like to know what their connection to the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald is.
                We got plenty of information on the Sol Emeralds and they were only ever in handheld games.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're putting more thought into them than Sonic Team did. Note that if you just play the Sonic & Knuckles without Sonic 3, the stone versions are in the altar.

                On that note, maybe its best we don't know what they are exactly. Just let that mystery be a mystery.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "there is no answer" sucks as an answer, I want my fast blue rat lore, we've already explored all the other emeralds, the Master Emerald is a big Chaos Emerald, the Sol Emeralds are the parallel counterparts to the Chaos Emeralds, what the hell even are the Super Emeralds.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sonic Team pulling something out of their ass for the Lockon technology. Here's Iizuka stumbling to explain.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >(the Super Emeralds) absence when the Chaos Emeralds once again drifted off intro the Special Stage Dimension
                >(the Super Emeralds) are still in the...another dimension
                This is a start, you can infer a number of things from these two statements alone combined with what happens in S3&K and they still have plenty of mysteries to explore at their leisure.

                Just because we'll never see them again doesn't mean we can't, or shouldn't, learn more about them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That reminds me, have the "Time Stones" ever been brought up outside of CD?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or the Chaos Rings from Knuckles Chaotix.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The ones that act as links between characters? They were used a bit in the reboot Archie comics.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, he means the colorful rings you get in the special stages.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oooooh!

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or the Chaos Rings from Knuckles Chaotix.

                No.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There were like 15 in Spinball.
              Also, the manuals implied that the Emeralds in Sonic 2 were native to Westside Island. So basically, every island had those rocks.
              It's only in Adventure that they became diet Dragon Balls.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thing is, even if it was originally for only that purpose, why not just make it interesting? Turn it into a new story that builds up the world instead of just confirming it's a nothing burger.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Having an 8th emerald absolutely breaks the lore of the series.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It doesn't have to be one of THE emeralds, it just has to have a story behind it. Maybe someone other than Tails tried making a Chaos Emerald in the past or maybe it's an emerald from another dimension like the Soul Emeralds.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In the classic context, the "Master Emerald" was just a giant chaos emerald. And this takes play after Fighters so its a mess trying to justify it as anything else.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's still a Chaos Emerald in Frontiers, the ancients just called it "the larger one" meaning they just called it the big Chaos Emerald.
                You could even argue that Sol Emeralds are the same kind of emeralds since Knuckles couldn't tell the difference between the their energy and the Chaos Emerald's energy.
                How many Chaos Emeralds is that now, 22?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It being the Warp Topaz is fine.
                The problem is they didn't do anything with it. IDW keeps pushing the Topaz as this sort of lynchpin McGuffin, but it isn't actually important in most stories. It's just kinda there.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just like... well, everything IDW makes stories about.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s pretty on-brand with IDWnic as a whole. They keep hyping up a bunch of new characters only for them all to be throwaway losers.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                honestly what even is the point of the Topaz? it's just a Chaos Emeralds with less features but let's you use Chaos Control teleportation and travel for free

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > IDW keeps pushing the Topaz as this sort of lynchpin McGuffin
                It was important once and only popped once after to just get put back where it was. Where are you getting this from?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It showed up a lot more than that. You just pointed out the only two stories where it actually mattered, which is the point I'm making. It shows up early on as the special doodad of the new comic villain, then becomes the centerpiece of the second big arc's finale, then gets an entire special issue dedicated to part of how it works, and is then the driving force behind this arc.

                It's the single most recurring and important item aside from the emeralds, but unlike the emeralds it's kinda just. There? Like, the stuff it does isn't all the relevant even in stories where it does matter. It's a bit hard to explain succinctly, but the writing doesn't really take advantage of its gimmick outside of 900th adventure. So it showing up as much as it does is kinda weird. If these were video games it'd be less weird, like how the emeralds don't really do shit in half the Sonic games they're in.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This mini would make a lot more sense if the warp topaz currently mattered in the main comic and wasn't just a dead guy's insurance plan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah. It doesn't need to be relevant to be fun. It should just be used better than "We talked about the 8th emerald for three issues but it was this thing, what a twist!" The Heavies warping is incidental to the plot, and Fang doesn't get much use out of it either. The story should have had some fun with it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It could ether be relevant to the story OR fun and I would think it justifies itself.
                It's not really ether though.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's essentially what I was saying, yeah. The stone being irrelevant doesn't matter.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Fang is the Sonic series' first interracial character.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They sadly retconned that.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What are the chances that SEGA found out that the Hooligan team was from Archie, so they forced them to split up?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't put it past them.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still can't believe they got Cybershell to shill for this shit.

    ?si=4BygXD8xbutMMtz4

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fang’s entire shill campaign was the weirdest thing ever. He went from a character forgotten by Sega to Sega shoving him down everyone’s throats. I’ve never seen a character go from 0 to 100 like that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because who else was there to push? Everyone already knows Sonic and Co, Eggman (Metal's not here) and everyone else is trap behind the dumb Modern/Classic split. Couldn't do Trip either because what she looks like under the helmet is supposed to be a surprise.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think it's funny that that's the last video he's put out for months. He didn't even make a video on Superstars proper, probably because he doesn't want to shit on it after shilling for it

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would've liked it better if they hadn't changed Bean. He's a fun goofy little lunatic, you have fun seeing him have fun. Here he's the voice of reason because Bark can't talk to do so. Just look at Bean from both 30th anniversary specials and compare to this lame ass we got in the Fang series. If they wanted to separate them from Fang, just have Fang be the one kicking them out. Or Bark getting annoyed at Fang and just comically taking Bean.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I would've liked it better if they hadn't changed Bean. He's a fun goofy little lunatic, you have fun seeing him have fun.

      He does literally the exact same thing here

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm aware but that's pretty much the only time he does it in the whole comic, in the end of it.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In retrospect Fang was a terrible character to try to focus a miniseries on. He’s just a selfish bastard who never develops or changes. He works as a side villain, not a protagonist.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He’s just a selfish bastard who never develops or changes.

      I think people were expecting to get the development he didn't get in Superstars in this comic.

      Which, you know, was moronic to even consider could have been the case, but still.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's always been a strange character use as the narrative voice.
      I thought they must have had an idea up their sleeve to go all in like this, but after reading it I don't really see the point.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    are all sonic fans as autistic as that guy who insists bean and bark need to be written exactly like they were in their japanese arcade only gamr manuals from 25 years ago?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly, a lot of them tend to slurp up Flynn's writing, so no.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >How dare Bean and Bark be written the way the peopled that created them intended!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        so sonic isnt exactly like how he was in sonic 1 so he sucks in adventure?

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That was nice. Fang focused story going through little bit history of the character, that also preludes why Hooligans aren't in Superstars.

    What is the opposite of
    >Wow!! Cool Robot!!!"
    Thats every thread with these comics.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >preludes why Hooligans aren't in Superstars.
      That didn't need an explanation before though...

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It needed explanation after. The comics have been running them together.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's what I mean though. This comic created it's own issues it needed to address.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah and it did. Hence the comic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What is the opposite of
      >Wow!! Cool Robot!!!"
      >Thats every thread with these comics.
      Everyone perfectly understanding the intended point instead of getting distracted by superfluous elements?

      I really hope the main comic does something interesting with Lanolin. Adam's little mini comics are entertaining but she's so boring in the actual book.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I really hope the main comic does something interesting with Lanolin. Adam's little mini comics are entertaining but she's so boring in the actual book.

        As if lanolins underlying frustration on peoples methods when dealing with threats would go anywhere, especially if it's towards sonics deal with eggman, it always goes two ways when these things are criticized

        >"oh sonikku the wise was right! I shouldn't be mad at these things and go with the eternal status quo with my lesbian squad!"
        or
        >"GRRR THESE FRICKS AREN'T DOING ANYTHING RIGHT SO ILL DO BAD THING TO MAKE ANY LEGITIMATE POINTS I HAVE NULL AND VOID AND NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN!!!"

        It's either be a shitty friend, or a bad guy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn't have to go anywhere. Having a passive aggressive b***h in the friend roster who doesn't agree with the others on how to do things is good for creating conflict, having unique interactions and setting up stories. Like I said, Adam's done itty bitty one page comics, but they're pretty fun.

          The issue is I don't know if Evan or Ian can actually use a character like that well if they're not a villain. Hamlin and Rosemary in Archie sucked ass.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Having a character like that in a franchise where sonics always made out to be right no matter what is impossible to have. They'll always eventually just go with what their friends say.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Nah, it's totally doable. Tons of stories have characters like this. Superman and Spider-Man, even. It's just a matter of making more complicated issues that can't be boiled down to yes/no without questioning the morality of the lead.

              Lanolin being kind of a c**t but it being understandable given what she does and how she sees things is very tenable. Sonic and friends accepting her despite occasional griping, mean spiritedness and disagreements would actually SHOW that Sonic isn't full of shit when he says he's all about freedom and people picking their own path in life.

              The real difficulty is in keeping this character a side character instead of hogging screentime.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's cool and all, but the rest of the comic would have to get better for this to work. And even if he's not the main writer anymore, Ian's worldview is in conflict with what you're saying they should be writing. As long as he's still being consulted for story direction, you aren't getting that kind of ambiguity.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ian could do it. And if not him, Evan. I don't understand what you mean about his worldview.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > As long as he's still being consulted for story direction
                He’s not.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's not what he's said about it, or Evan.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Show me source then cause every time it comes up Ian says Evan is head writer and he has to run anything he wants by her.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >every time it comes up Ian says Evan is head writer and he has to run anything he wants by her
                He has never once said this anywhere. You made this up again

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                In this franchise? I doubt it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'd say it's less a franchise problem and more the talent on the franchise. I think if someone tried to do this, they wouldn't be impeded.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Having a character like that in a franchise where sonics always made out to be right no matter what is impossible to have

              And yet they keep pretending Shadow is this for some reason?

              Like how the frick you can be an anti-hero if the only two points of morality are Sonic & Eggman?

              As for Lanolin, the b***h should've already took over the Restoration from shiny bug and on her road to be being ALAMBda WOOLer, head of the Lesbian Suicide Squad. I wann see this b***h Break BAAAAd and become an antagonist who turns the people against Sonic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I wouldn't go that far, but having her be a hardass who butts heads with the other characters would definitely be more fun than the slow burn they're going for.

                Hopefully Mimic's betrayal leads to something entertaining.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Everyone perfectly understanding the intended point instead of getting distracted by superfluous elements?
        No, its like
        >This months issue: X does cool thing!
        >Me: Wow! X did cool thing!
        >/vg/co/: This issue didn't do Y well at all...
        The comic is simple and uses the same formula. It picks characters, puts them on settings familiar to fans, and does a little cool thing. The upcoming mainline story is exemplary of this; IDW OCs, in Riders, doing cool Riders things. The point of the next arc is few characters designed for Rider gears, and doing Rider things. I can already tell that the fans are going to adore the new designs, discuss and do fanart. And then /vgCinemaphile is going to b***h about the comic failing to do "something else" for the rest of its runtime, until next arc starts 2025.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No, I understood what you meant.
          I was describing what the actual opposite would be. Mostly because "but it's good for fandom engagement" isn't a reasonable or even honest way to respond to criticism of writing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes twitter sonicgays are desperate standardless simps and gobble up slop, we know. Their new designs are fricking TRASH by the way, zero skin showing on any of them and Whisper looks like she's wearing a fridge

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I like the new designs.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              good for you, eating shit and loving it. It's still shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lanolin and Tangle have cute outfits.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What's so bad about them?

                Tangle’s is literally just her same outfit as always but instead of a yellow croptop over it she has a yellow jacket, not an inch of skin shown
                Lanolin is just a gaudy jacket and pants in orange and green that cover every inch of her from shoe to hand
                Surge is just a yellow jacket over black trousers and a plain white shirt, and they even cut off what breasts she had too so she can looks extra flat
                Meanwhile Whisper is just wearing a fridge like the rotund fatass she is
                Stop being corporate simps and clapping like a seal for whatever turd evan the sjw landwhale craps out onto your plate next. You are whipped tasteless bootlicking little pussies. The lesbians are shit and their tumblrtard designs are too

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah man, Amy, Cream and Blaze had real provocative Riders outfits.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cream ironically not only had a much more original and different costume than her usual, but also showed more skin than all the new lesbians COMBINED

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Prove it

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >shows her legs, arms, shoulders, pits, and even gives Cream a chest and a low neckline
                >and a cool sunvisor hat too
                meanwhile Whisper is waddling around in a hazmat suit and Surge is doing extreme sports in a winter turtleneck

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                On that subject, is Creams racing outfit in the Roblox game where they have her shiny spats from anything?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Amy's riders outfit covers more skin than her usual outfit. "How much skin is showing" is a metric used by children and the occupationally distressed. You should be more concerned with if the outfit is good or not.

                Surge's is great. Tangle's is good, but it could be better. If you have a problem with them, suggest better fits.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the riders outfits are summer and sun themed, the lesbians are wearing dissonant shit because their creators are triggered by the fact summer outfits show skin
                surge's outfit is shit, her top clothes are literally just a plain white shirt with no neckline chosen to swoddle her up like a burqa. Tangle's is shit and is literally just her regular outfit with a yellow jacket. They should be wearing sports bras, skirts and bell bottom trousers, the same as all the actual riders outfits

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >because their creators are triggered by the fact summer outfits show skin
                Source on that piece of info? or are you just saying shit to say shit.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My source is that unlike you I seem to have my brain and my eyes. And can readily observe that every single one of the original Riders outfit is light and airy and shows skin, while Tangle is wearing her usual clothes with a jacket, Lanolin is swaddled up, Surge is wearing a plain white shirt and jacket that covers everything and Whisper is wearing a refrigerator

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whisper is a reserved character who would make no sense wearing revealing clothing and is normally covered in a cloak, Lanolin is a joyless c**t and thus has the same reasoning, and Surge is based on her concept art. About the only character you'd have a point for here is Tangle.

                I also remind you Blaze had a Riders design that also didn't show skin or was particularly Summer themed.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not that guy but it is weird than the existing Rider outfits scream "street" and "summer" while the IDW ones almost look like a winter retreat thing.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Surge and Tangle's are street.
                Lanolin is in a wetsuit.
                I dunno what's up with Whisper.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Surge and Tangle's are street
                Their outfits are neither "street" nor "summer". Surge is wearing a full bodysuit, a jacket with the baggiest sleeves known to man, and the worst shoes imaginable; while Tangle is still wearing her same bodysuit but with a different top and gloves, overdesigned shoes with a dumbass wing/flap on the side, and sunglasses that barely even cover her eyes. This is completely opposite to Amy and Rouge, who wear less bulgy and more open clothes in the Riders games and have simplified shoes.

                >Lanolin is in a wetsuit
                The only way this isn't moronic is if Lanolin is only participating in one water course or the tournament is composed of water courses.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >less bulgy and more open clothes in the Riders games and have simplified shoes.
                That's the opposite of Riders Amy. Her top and bottoms are baggy and her shoes are more detailed than her usual boots.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Baggy jackets and ugly ass shoes aren't street
                Google "Streetwear," moron.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you read the beach issue? None of the OCs were wearing anything remotely revealing despite going swimming. I bet if Sega didn’t mandate the game characters Wave would have been in a burqini. ABT is the only based coomer on the team, the rest of them are all puritans.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What's so bad about them?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon mad at lack of coom potential.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A tight fitting bodysuit is practically begging for sexy fanart.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>This months issue: X does cool thing!
          >>Me: Wow! X did cool thing!
          : This issue didn't do Y well at all...
          Doesn't your chosen analogy liken you to someone who is missing the point?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, because the comic is actually just simple.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But unfortunately here the comic isn’t fun, or interesting, and the robot isn’t cool

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              not anymore apparently.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Apparently the original meme went over this person's head, ironically.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I really feel like this was missing a hook or a real climax. None of this feels like it's working towards things.
    Itroducing Trip to the villains and establishing how Fang first encountered them makes more send than
    >Remember these two guys who will disappear again?
    >The Hardboiled Heavies aren't destroyed but they aren't really doing anything anyways (gives me Gemerl vibes, which I hate)
    >Fang has a major mcguffin during Super Stars and decides to never use it despite being an opportunist dickbag.
    Why? Was this pitched without any sort of outline?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ian shoving his lame warp topaz mcguffin in your face is supposed to be the twist, because he thinks anyone cares about that shit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He realizes it's mainly associated with a dead guy right?
        And warping is just a thing people can do using the Chaos Emeralds or Phantom Ruby.
        I don't get why he's so hung up on this thing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ian wanted it to explode, but Sega wanted to keep it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nuh uh it’s totally cool and exciting enough to waste our entire “900th special” on

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This mini really gives me the same vibes as Archie Megaman. Competent art and presentation but never quite exciting and mostly just filling in gaps that didn't need to be filled.
    Almost entirely fueled by nostalgic callbacks that don't really lead anywhere.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A ton of people like that book and aside from a handful of issues I don't see it at all.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are things that don't go anywhere supposed to go anywhere?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing interesting happens ether so it's not really about the journey ether.
      Reading too far into them demoting the Hardboiled Heavies is pretty much the must interesting thing you can discuss about this mini.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A story about Fang bothering Knuckles and Eggman before indirectly foiling a Heavy coup detat could be really fun! The problem is most of it is going through the motions. There aren't any interesting wrinkles in the conflict, and the unique elements don't get used for anything surprising or interesting. Sonic says it best: this adventure is really boring.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah. Still, a lot of the story is farting around. We get Sonic and Tails every issue for some reason, but them showing up out of nowhere at the end probably would have been funnier. I assume that one's a matter of Sega wanting all relevant characters in a storyline shown or mentioned from the start of a story arc, because this is a consistent problem in the comics. Bean and Fang's back and forth is pretty flat. The tussle with Knuckles isn't much beyond acknowledging he can lay traps. Going to the ruins of Chaotix is a neat pull but nothing really happens there. The Heavies are neat, but they get dealt with checklist style. There's some denouments, but the only one that feels earned is the Heavies and not getting back to Eggman, but that's only in the last two issues.

      Story probably would have been better if it didn't hold off on the Heavies until Chapter 3. And maybe if Fang and the gang found the Topaz near the start only for it to get yoinked from them. It would make the story feel less meandering, give the group a stronger focus and better illustrate the schism between Fang (doing anything to get the rock back) and his goons (actually looking out for each other).

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Having the Heavies steal something from Fang would be a better incentive than him going off of what he heard from someone.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, it doesn't make Bean and Bark's conflict with Fang very interesting when they just keep insisting that this is dumb but they go along with it anyway. Having something taken from them ties in better to those two being about the group. It gives them a reason to put up with Fang going too far, because it's for all of them.

          Fang making it entirely about himself at the end should be the tipping point, not "Fang does the same thing for the dozenth time, but NOW these two bail."

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To be fair they tried to bail earlier but were trapped at sea.
            But yeah, Bean, Bark and Sonic regularly expressing that they with they were doing something else isn't great for the energy of the story.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, but that's a fairly weak bandaid to a larger story problem. And Bean and Bark don't take a "we're in it for us, screw Fang" stance from that point on, which would at least be a better angle. It just gets brought up and the issue 1 status quo resumes.

              I'm sure this isn't exactly the story anyone wanted to write, but these problems aren't that hard to avoid. Just mold the story around the key points instead of jamming squares into round holes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nah

        Nah. It doesn't need to be relevant to be fun. It should just be used better than "We talked about the 8th emerald for three issues but it was this thing, what a twist!" The Heavies warping is incidental to the plot, and Fang doesn't get much use out of it either. The story should have had some fun with it.

        >Nah

        Nah, it's totally doable. Tons of stories have characters like this. Superman and Spider-Man, even. It's just a matter of making more complicated issues that can't be boiled down to yes/no without questioning the morality of the lead.

        Lanolin being kind of a c**t but it being understandable given what she does and how she sees things is very tenable. Sonic and friends accepting her despite occasional griping, mean spiritedness and disagreements would actually SHOW that Sonic isn't full of shit when he says he's all about freedom and people picking their own path in life.

        The real difficulty is in keeping this character a side character instead of hogging screentime.

        >Nah
        BATMAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm bad about that.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when the story is so boring even the writer needs a mouthpiece to express this.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ian Flynn's script: SONIC should be face-down in the ground dying of boredom, TAILS should be above him and half-winking at the reader. I am very smart.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt this was meant to be intentional. If it was, it would be more on the nose.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like this ?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, exactly like that.
            I enjoyed Winter Jam regardless.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's too bad they can't use this to explain why Fang's giant robot secret boss is the hardest boss in Super Stars.
    But it really doesn't use warping abilities so I don't think it's powered by the Topaz.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do birds not have inherent flying abilities in Sonic but a bat does?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Iunno. Why can Knuckles glide?
      Cuz it's cool.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Extra abilities are cool.
        Birds being shittier than they are IRL isn't cool.
        But at least Bean has a skill set with his bombs. Better than the Babylon Rouges being known only for a sport they aren't the best at.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Birds being shittier than they are IRL isn't cool.
          Birds being shit is used to hype up other things like bombs and hoverboards.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Extra abilities are cool.
      Birds being shittier than they are IRL isn't cool.
      But at least Bean has a skill set with his bombs. Better than the Babylon Rouges being known only for a sport they aren't the best at.

      >Birds being shittier than they are IRL isn't cool
      There are lots of flightless IRL birds.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, and Bean, Jet, Wave and Albatross aren't those species. In fact The Babylon Rogue's species seemed to be specifically chosen from exceptional flyers (One of the fastest large birds, one of the fastest small birds, bird with unreal flight stamina).

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No one... NO ONE gives an ant's speckled wiener about Fang the fricking Hunter?

    BRING OUT THE GREEN RAT AND THE BLUE FOX, IAN!

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      noone gives a speckled wiener about them either.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're being used more now. At least the threads won't be so slow when the main series starts up again.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >next few issues are more Lesbians shit as Tails and Amy and maybe Sonic get knocked out immediately
        They will be slow.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You just listed a bunch of stuff that anons will b***h about. You can't find that in the Fang issues. Soon we'll be back to the usual.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know people put down "no plot" stories, but I would kill for some goofy stuff like this. Let the villains do funny things.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't like either of their designs. Surge is closer to being a fun design but it's hobbled with little details that stop it being so. "Scourge is a shitty seething version of Sonic" was another of those Flynnisms where the concept was cooler than anything that panned out; female Scourge doesn't even have that going for her, but she's a girl character that shows up in panels with other girl characters, so naturally the fanbase nuts for her

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's hobbled with little details that stop it being so.
        Like?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The split-tail, the shoes that are meant to have this yellow fabric that splits and juts out to invoke the imagery of lightning, visible seams on her gloves, the combination of the black face mask, black eyeshadow and thick triple-eyelashes. It feels like the committee that designed her had the other main heroes in mind (Sonic, Tails etc) and consciously tried to give her shoe silhouettes, facial structure etc different from those guys while trying to stay within the same 'Sonic Boom/post-Archie reboot' school of Sonic OC designs. Same with the colour scheme dominated with bright-green and yellow. It's definitely different from the rest of the cast, but it's also something I actively don't want to look at, let alone read entire comic arcs about her.
          I know people rag on the absolute incongruity of the 90s cartoons that put a Japanese blue rat amongst the 80's Bluth-esque characters, and the comics that followed up on that, but at least it allowed for interesting designs rather than everyone having to be a midget bobblehead. We'd never get a design like Vector the Crocodile or Charmy Bee today

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Committee designed
            She was designed by one dude with light feedback, but sure.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I remember seeing their tweets. They posted an updated diagram on Surge's head because people were colouring the eyeshadow the same as the face mask when they're apparently intended to be two different shades, so the diagram had the eyeshadow a markedly different colour to demonstrate.
              They also posted the inspiration map for Surge and design notes on the anteater (?) character for the 30th anniversary comic. I think ultimately anything I have to say on those posts is just going to be biased because the posts are associated with a character I don't really enjoy looking at or reading, admittedly one of a long list of characters I don't enjoy reading, so I don't.
              Like if Ben Bates put out a huge storytelling post that he didn't fricking delete after the fact and he was like 'yeah I was referencing [x, y, z] when coming up with this part' then I'd probably think, oh, that's super cool, because his explanations and theorycrafting and stories are interesting. When Ian Flynn or Evan Stanley goes on a podcast and is like 'yeah I put this song reference in this script' or 'yeah this character concept is cool because [x]' then I don't think, oh, that's super cool, I think, it's just a reminder of the long-running history you have of writing stories or characters that everyone's neurons fire up way more when thinking of the idea of them, reading the TVTropes page about them, reading the forum post explanation about them, etc etc versus reading the actual comic.
              It's like the kid who writes an essay and then explains it over the shoulder of the teacher grading it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have no idea what you've got against Mauro, but ok.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you've got nothing of actual substance to say other than vague redirection then you may as well not bother posting at all

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Rambles on and on without any substantial.
                >Talks about the wrong people when critiquing design and going on about how if person A did this it would be great, but if B or C did it it'd be shit and cringe.
                >I express that I don't know what problem you have with Person D (the actual designer).
                "Wow, substanceless redirection!"

                I can't tell if you're an butthole or just stupid.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >BRING OUT THE GREEN RAT AND THE BLUE FOX, EVAN!
      ftfy
      This is her comic now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's not a good thing.

        Also everybody's given up on Kit at this point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I didn’t say it was a good thing

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I like Surge, but I can't be alone in thinking her arc kinda sucked.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She's a Sonic female, people love her because of that, not due to her story.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Which one? She had like 12 consecutive issues.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe I just assumed it was meant to be an overarching story arc, but in any case it started to feel extremely redundant

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I liked the issues where she went on a rampage with the battery suit. The suit itself was dumb, but the comics were fun.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Trust me, you aren't

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think I find Fang as fun or loveable as I'm supposed to. He's just kind of a stupid dick.
    He essentially just burned two bridges over a gem he never uses. Wow, fun.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What do Sonic fans even want?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's been the same insular circle of writers on these things for over a decade and you're acting like we've just been burning through options here.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on who you're talking about. Sonic's fandom is pretty fractured and everyone will fight everyone else. It's their way or no way.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >People who like comics that talk about the Sonic books
      Good comics.
      >Fans of Sonic
      Whatever their particular "perfect vision" of the series is.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        who like comics that talk about the Sonic books
        >Good comics.
        Where?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's why they're complaining.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Me not really liking Fang after all this time of him being a fabled forgotten entity isn't exclusive to this comic.
      He just seems like an abusive strawman in Super Stars, yet everyone wants to pair him off with Trip.
      It just seems like there's this narrative that he's some loveable scamp or when he apparently doesn't even have enough heart to keep a Team Rocket type team together.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He was fun in his original game. He was as charismatic as a character could be in the old spinoffs. The thing is, Fang in old media was a constant screw up. Later comics tried to hype him up a bit and fan works even moreso. Eventually we get to Superstars where he's there because Trip needed a bully and Fang is a jerk people recognize, but he's given a ton of importance when there's not really anything there. This comic is the same, in a way. Either you use him as an incidental villain or you actually do something fun with him. This attempt to linger on him without actually saying anything is really lame.

        TL;DR, Sonic has bad writing.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty much this. Fang should be more clumsy. Introducing Trip to take that away from him was lame.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think he needs to be clumsy. I just think replacing "clumsy butthole who has a cool ship" with "butthole who has a cool ship" while also putting more focus on him is a bad call. Either give us new aspects to him, play on what we know in fun ways, or don't focus on him. You can write a fun story with Fang as he is in Superstars and this mini, but neither story actually bothered. They're just throwing iconography at you, as if that's enough.

            You could replace Fang with Speedy from Tails' Adventure or Jet the Hawk and the reaction would be about the same. The character is present, but not actually being utilized. Imagine if they got to the ship earlier and the twist was Fang trying to integrate the Marvelous Queen into it so he has an even cooler ship. We'd have a wild twist while also playing with his few traits. Superstars got like halfway there while this mini's got nothing.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's true.
              Superstars did try a bit. He's a bully and he's a bit of a tech head. It isn't satisfying in the end but I get what it was going for. I dunno what this was trying to do aside from say he's a c**t. Wasn't even great at that.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And to think, this is just for fang to meet the awful creators pet lizard girl.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish classic sonic as a thing would frick off away forever. Stopping the main comic like that and just splitting the whole series for more endless nostalgia. Its gotten really old.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get why this wasn't a concurrent spinoff.
      Maybe if it tied into the main comic in some way? Like this would set up the Warp Topaz being relevant again.
      Except we know chronologically Starline gets it some time between then and now and since classic and modern characters can only interact if they already exist in both iterations, I don't expect the story behind that is very interesting.
      Point is this really feels like extra content, not "drop everything" content. I think people would judge it less harshly if it didn't pause the main story.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thing is, we know how it ends up in some cave in. What happens before doesn’t fricking matter. Yet another magic gem getting focus for no good reason.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't get why this wasn't a concurrent spinoff.
        IDW can rarely put out an issue without a delay. Imposter Syndrome and the Sonic ongoing had to alternate every few weeks and now we're at a point where IDW can only manage one issue a month with an occasional special which has gotten to once every other month. Meanwhile TMNT gets all the issues and specials and extra minis it wants.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What, Classics like the one thing Ian can write that's half decent. It's so limiting as a concept that its way harder for him to fall back on his usual bad habits like with the mainline comics.

      Sonic fans can't into nuance. You're either the second coming of Jesus Christ or a war criminal.

      It doesn't help how Ian has developed an entire cult of personality where his fans suck him off no matter how badly he fricks up. It's only made criticism of him even more fervent.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought I was pretty good until it just kind of ended without a climax or hook. That mixed with Sonic seeming to make meta commentary on the comic being boring kinda retroactively sucked the life out of it for me.
    Also what, the Hardboiled Heavies can now just get bullied and exploited by three lesser characters? Even in Mania you had to beat them one by one, not a 3 vs. 5 team brawl.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Boco

    They left it open to do more with that damn topaz, didn't they?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I think its just a way to justify "Fang is from an alternate dimension" theories by having him be able to warp from place to place.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Boco

        I barely remember Superstars, did his bike get destroyed in it?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nope, it did take a beating tho.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Boco

            Uh huh. So they'll imply he still has the Topaz so they can do another one of these.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              At some point, Fang will have to return it to its original resting place. Until then, Fang has it and is warping through "the chaos dimension" with it, I guess.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                just have him lose by it teleporting away without him

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder solicits already revealed Tails and Amy will be kicked out immediately so the only ones competing will be Sonic and the Lesbians vs the Babylon Rogues.
    Sorry whoever wanted Tails vs Wave to be a thing again, Wave is the lesbians’ rival now for the 3rd time in a row.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tails and waves rivalry wasn’t particularly good anyway.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was good, and it’s the only rivalry he has in modern. Since Sega/Ian wants Eggman to only obsess with Sonic, so Tails’ only competitor for tech is Wave.
        Without that his character is just Sonic’s bootlicker now, he doesn’t have any relationship with any other character than Wave

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah sure it was good, she liked said a mean thing to him or something. Only thing shittier than that is with knuckles and storm.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can sum up 100% of the rivalries in this series in that way, especially Shadow and Sonic or Knuckles and Sonic. Point is they have a common skill, she has a funny nickname for him, and she’s the only character that makes Tails competitive, which is fun to see.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Only for like extreme sports racing game at most but that’s dead. No reason otherwise to ever interact.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So here they are at an extreme sports game again. I now want them to finally interact over it instead of wave and the lesbians.
                Wave is also a thief and Tails a hero, that’s how they made the Rogues and Knuckles clash before in IDW when they stole his stuff, and The Rogues and the lesbians when they stole from israeliteel, there’s no reason you couldn’t make Tails interact with his only rival when he’s a hero and she’s a villain

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wave with the diamond cutters and other characters is better than with tails. he doesnt need rivarly shit anyway.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wave with the diamond cutters and other characters is better than with tails
                How, tard?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don’t reply to Ian anon, his incredible obesity has cut off oxygen to his brain

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because it just is. Tails doesn't need those things.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He does. Tails’ character is turned to crap when he’s only around as a keychain to asskiss Sonic the shit-tier soulless corporate mascot

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He exists to suck sonic's dick daily. That's his only purpose.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Get off Cinemaphile, Ian. You have a terrible comic to be writing

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't need to be Ian to realize that's the truth. He always ends up right back to Sonic because that's his purpose in life. Sonic's number 1 buddy worshipper.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He’s not writing the comic

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It was good, and it’s the only rivalry he has in modern. Since Sega/Ian wants Eggman to only obsess with Sonic, so Tails’ only competitor for tech is Wave.
          SA2 paired up Tails against Eggman, that's always a fun rivalry. They could bring that back

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't understand how this is an interesting set up.
      >Can Sonic beat the guys he canonically beat two times before??
      Hell, maybe it's three now, never played Free Ride.
      Ether way, it doesn't seem very exciting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Really? Damn, wasted potential strikes again with IDW

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok, what was the comic trying to do, exactly?
    Adventure with The Hooligans? They were written badly and boringly, especially Bean
    Story reason why they aren’t in superstars? In that case this story is way too long and meandering for such a drole and uninportant reason
    Story about the heavies/the warp topaz? Don’t appear until last issue, do a quarterbaked fight scene, then do nothing really.
    The story tries different things, and it fails at all of them because Ian is a shot writer. Grow some standards and read better shit instead of shilling garbage like this.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just taking random loose ends:
      >Sonic the Fighters characters and lore (8th emerald)
      >Main IDW (Warp Topaz)
      >Super Stars (Fang's current relevance)
      >Mania (Keeping villains around past their expiration date)
      -and tying them together. Not because these ideas work together or compliment each other. Not because there was a plan to neatly fit separate sources of backstory together. Not to set things up for another story. Just to be cute and tease nostalgia, I guess.
      Compare it to Scrapnik Island where we got nostalgia mixed with an actual new and interesting way to incorporate old characters into a new scenario with it's own aesthetic.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >an actual new and interesting way to incorporate old characters into a new scenario with it's own aesthetic
        >rehash of shard, Island of Misfit Badniks, and ova
        >interesting

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't read Archie and the OVA was very different.
          But I don't have to read Archie to think this current mini is boring.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's just taking random loose ends:
        Its doing 2 main things. Its taking Fang related lore tidbits to tell Fang focused story that syncs the comic verse with the most recent game.

        Second, its moving Warp Topaz to the Classic series. Sega wanted to keep the Topaz and it looks like this is what they did with it for now.

        This was the Fang focused classic story, to companion the one with Tails and the one with Amy. Next they'll do one with Knuckles.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does the Topaz really need set up though? I guess I'm not understanding it. Every other mcguffins just appears when they are needed without an explicit explanation. IDW even did this itself with Starline getting the Chaos Emeralds off screen.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            memba da warp topaz?

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did they even bring up Sonic the Fighters in this? If not the “8th emerald” shit is just a cringy nod and wink and not an actual exaplantion for why there were 8 emeralds in fighters

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's needed to realize that it's basically required now to be autistically knowledgeable on the meta things in this series as that's what it's been built for. The meta era is never ending.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Pontaff and Graff were never Meta.
        Should've called them like the Saturday Morning era or something.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They had a couple of uses of meta commentary. Like everyone knowing Sonic is always going to beat Eggman or “It’s been Generations since I saw you”.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Like everyone knowing Sonic is always going to beat Eggman
            Heroes bragging that they'll beat the villain isn't really meta.
            The generations line was too much through.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It’s not really bragging when other villains like classic eggman and cubot also treat Sonic winning as an inevitable conclusion.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, it's kinda natural when you see your future self to ask if you beat your arch-enemy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        it says they were in Sonic the Fighters but it doesn't say the Topaz was in Sonic the Fighters. In fact this is the first time anyone has seen the Topaz so it says the opposite

        yeah it's just a memberberry. 'member how sometimes people say there were 8 emeroowds?'

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, there was a lot of that. Everyone just replies "The Master Emerald".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I honestly don't get where the meta and reality end here so he's weird to make it a major story point.
            If there are really 8 emeralds in Fighters, and Fighters happened, should Sonic remember that? Why is Fang talking about it like it's some message board rumor started by someone posting the Fighters UI without context?
            Does this reference even matter? The Topaz didn't look like the emeralds.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The eight Emeralds aren't a "real" number in-universe, but a symptom of the franchise never quite focusing on a consistent number of Emeralds pre-Adventure; Spinball had 16 and the Game Gear games always had 6, even after Sonic 2 and 3&K. This was then solidified in Sonic Adventure to be 7 and always 7, but some people online really want to force the multiple Emeralds to be a thing in-universe. The eighth emerald rumor in-universe, along with the color confusion (which has also changed even after SA1), is just a nod to this. Not a "meta" one, but just a reference.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's what I mean though.
                If they remember it happening in the game, then it shouldn't be a rumor. They should know what he's talking about.
                If it's been retconned (likely the situation) then no one should know what he's talking about, and there shouldn't be rumors in the first place.
                The way it's played off makes it seem like Fang heard about this shit second hand from a bulletin board from before Sonic Gem's NA release. It makes no sense if you think about it for more than a minute.
                And the way the Topaz actually looks and is presented, there's no real reason it should be grouped up with the emeralds any more than the Phantom Ruby should.
                It really comes off as a character spouting (incomplete) meta knowledge.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sega doesn't like the comics getting into the weeds of being that detailed and retconny about past games (and don't take this as me going "Ian innocent Sega bad", Ian should know better by now than trying this sort of thing), so the comic probably was not allowed to directly address Fighters having had 8 Emeralds because that would contradict that only 7 Emeralds exist. So we get the "there's 8 Emeralds" only as a rumor, a reference to Ian's old fancomic days, and in the end revealed to be false. The Warp Topaz isn't intended to literally be said eight emerald

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ian should know better by now than trying this sort of thing
                He literally tried to pull this shit in Frontiers. That's why it's so reference-loaded. The dude's either stubborn or stupid.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's a meta reference to how inconsistent the Emeralds were in the Classic era while simultaneously being a retcon to get them all in line post-Adventure.

              This bit, just a huge reference to Sonic Chaos (Gold Emerald) and Sonic Blast (Emeralds inside of it). Not sure about the "rainbowy" bit, could be a reference to Sonic R's Radian Emerald.

              Funfact: Sonic Jump had a Black Emerald.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think the "Emeralds inside it" bit is a reference to the Movieverse Master Emerald, since Blast (and Battle) were shattered into multiple shards, not broken with shards inside. Then again, it's not like Ian really plays these games.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Boco

                The hells Sonic Jump?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A mobile game.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Boco

                Ew.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To be fair it's an early mobile game, not GAAS slop with the illusion of progression. You can actually beat it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mobile game, here's a picture.

                That's what I mean though.
                If they remember it happening in the game, then it shouldn't be a rumor. They should know what he's talking about.
                If it's been retconned (likely the situation) then no one should know what he's talking about, and there shouldn't be rumors in the first place.
                The way it's played off makes it seem like Fang heard about this shit second hand from a bulletin board from before Sonic Gem's NA release. It makes no sense if you think about it for more than a minute.
                And the way the Topaz actually looks and is presented, there's no real reason it should be grouped up with the emeralds any more than the Phantom Ruby should.
                It really comes off as a character spouting (incomplete) meta knowledge.

                See this meme

                Assuming Sonic the Fighters takes place after all of this, this means the Master Emerald was the defacto "eighth" chaos emerald ala retcon.

                Nothing. Evidently, Fang loses it at some point then Starline finds it...Unless it turns out there are two warp topazes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Boco

                Ya know, despite making up only 1/7th of the emerald population...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No and given its a prequel to Superstars, Sonic the Fighters happened already.

      By our estimation, Fang, Bean, and Bark started teaming up after Fighters (Archie canon, prease understand).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In the first issue, retconning in that Bark and Bean fought in that game on Fang/Eggman's orders.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't really say that but given how the issue ends, that's a fair assertion.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't really say that but given how the issue ends, that's a fair assertion.

        it says they were in Sonic the Fighters but it doesn't say the Topaz was in Sonic the Fighters. In fact this is the first time anyone has seen the Topaz so it says the opposite

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what stupid ass thing meta filled comic you'll think they'll do next to for fans to clap and point at?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      memba Asura???
      *writes 10 issue miniseries about the time Sonic got a bucket of green paint dumped on him*

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They already did that with Surge.

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather them properly introduce the rocket version of metal Sonic than worry about the extra incidental emerald.

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The amount of focus this random frick all rock reminds me of the phantom ruby shenanigans. like who cares about these shitty magic rocks, man.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you don't get it it's important to the DEEP LOOOOREEEE *shits undies*

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Enough that there are memes about them on /sthg/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >That image
        The funny thing is they made a toy accessory out of the Phantom Ruby and it's like a weird compromise between the two interpretations. It explicitly comes packaged with the Infinite figure, tying it to the Sonic Forces version, and has the curved edges just like it does in Forces. But it's around the same scale relative to the characters, as it was in Mania and is a solid pink like it was in Mania.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Huh? Fang has a comic? When did that happen?
    What year it is?

  35. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't care much for this passive-aggressive Bean in this mini series.
    Maybe i'd be more fine with it if he was introduced in IDW that way, but all of his previous appearances here were explicitly based off his goofball Archie personality, so the change here just feels "out of character"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The whole thing feels like Ian either being forced or feeling forced to correct his Archie-based characterization from that special. It's not inherently a bad idea, but it needs to be done better than Ian normally bothers to write

      You know, those other IDW Classic stories worked out well because they were 1 issue each. Here not only did they stretch the shit out but they did it at the cost of the main books for what? 5 real world months? Plus I find it insulting how the end is just like "That's why Bean and Bark aren't in Superstars now go buy the game, lol"

      The editor has explained the main book wasn't delayed for the miniseries. Rather, it's the reverse- they needed a break in the main book, and decided to fill the empty species with a miniseries. Whether you believe him is up to you

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The editor has explained the main book wasn't delayed for the miniseries. Rather, it's the reverse- they needed a break in the main book, and decided to fill the empty species with a miniseries. Whether you believe him is up to you
        What's worse, IDW not having enough money to have Sonic and Fang going at the same time or the writers not knowing what to do for Sonic so it was on hiatus for over four months?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they needed a break in the main book,

          So does that implies the main book hasn't been going well?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know exact numbers but it has been stated that Sonic and TMNT are IDW's best selling comics.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's unfortunate since they're both awful comic books.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Last Ronin probably saved IDW. Made them so much money they renewed their TMNT contract and are doing whatever they can milk the title.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure autistic Sonic fans are the other thing keeping them alive.

                It seriously gives me headaches watching people praise their Sonic comic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It seriously gives me headaches watching people praise their Sonic comic.
                You need to chill if Sonic is causing you stress.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Isn't there a huge gap between the numbers for TMNT comics and the numbers for Sonic comics.(Mostly because most IDW Sonicgays don't buy comics).

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. TMNT sells great, but I don't believe people who say Sonic does.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Seems natural, TMNT has some comic cred due to it's roots.
                By comparison, Sonicgays are unlikely to be into any comic property that wasn't already adapted into a more mass market medium.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think that's it at all. I think TMNT just did a better job appealing to people who pay for comics. IDW TMNT is pretty bad most of the time, but it understands the basics of storytelling.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sonicgays are unlikely to be into any comic property that wasn't already adapted into a more mass market medium.
                You know thats not true. There was a huge Archie fan base ready to profit on after the old series got cancelled.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                there was a vocal minority at best, not a single archie issue ever sold a third as much as idw 1.
                and I think you misunderstand anon, he's saying sonicgays don't read real comics, only corporate slop.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, look at most convos around the comics. A lot of people have never really read comics aside from Sonic and maybe one or two other books. That's one thing when you're 8, but a lot of these people are 20+ and trying to argue about writing and art quality.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Archie was selling so well it wouldn't have been dumped.
                Also, you know, potential loss of Archiegays who only cared about Archie Sonic.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's common knowledge that Worlds Unite screwed things up with the heavy costs for licensing characters and the whole thing barely made back the money it cost to make. So the CEO backed away from all licensed comics and focused on Riverdale.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Mixed with Penders making Archie weary of keeping Sonic to begin with.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If Sonic was enough of a moneymaker the comics could have survived that.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It wasn't just money. Archie was sick of making licensed comics, only for their readers to completely ignore the actual Archie comics. So they spitefully canned them to focus on Riverdale.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No. Investing in licenses for cameos in an event was a bad business and editorial decision. Archie Sonic always sold just enough to be profitable but the event scared the CEO and made him want to rely on the company's own IP.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That just tipped over the edge.
                If anything I imagine Sonic barely did enough to justify paying the license for him.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                NTA but historically, Archie numbers were "circulations" and not actual sales. Archie Sonic has never been a moneymaker but existed cause Archie was able to sell ad space in the comic.

                Ken Penders at time likes to claim the comic did "30k sales" but he meant circulations. I don't think he knows the difference. The sell-through i.e. actual units sold were very very low.

                Archie Sonic never made enough money from sales to justify its existence.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sonic was almost always the best selling comic from Archie. Sonic Universe also did well. Mega Man didn't. Archie is a small publisher so their numbers were never big when it came to comic sales but they didn't need it to be. Their headquarters looked like a house. They were also notorious for being penny pinchers and overworking staff to keep costs low.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sonic was almost always the best selling comic from Archie
                You got any numbers to back that up? Last time I checked, the comichron numbers were worse than IDW. Furthermore, the non-comic book store numbers i.e. "Circulations" weren't any better.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do what I did. Check random months while Archie Sonic was running and sort by publisher and see what's usually the best selling for Archie. Was a hassle because the site chugged for me. Sonic's at the top, Sonic Universe is pretty close, and Mega Man is further down. So when people say that Mega Man doesn't sell, I believe them because I saw its placing myself.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This. One of the minor reasons why Archie stopped using the Sonic license was because for years they were salty t because people didn’t care as much for their own comic series as people did for Sonic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                One major problem with this: Megaman was selling more than Archie. This just raises further questioning.

                FYI, here's the Archie Circulation numbers, note the "Paid Circulations".
                https://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html

                The CEO of Archie just wanting to dump the Sonic license does appear to be the correct assertion. That said, the Archie Sonic sales were still low. Profitability is in question here.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sonic was almost always the best selling comic from Archie.
                Yeah, because nobody buys Archie floppies. They buy Digests, which dwarf Sonic sales.

                30k was the absolute peak of Sonic sales. This was just "ok" by most comic standards.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This was just "ok" by most comic standards.
                You mean for Marvel and DC. Those are huge publishers compared to everyone else. The next biggest publisher is Image and they're one third or quarter in terms of sales. It wouldn't do any good to go by their standards. Otherwise every publisher would've went out of business years ago.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The point is that even at its peak it wasn't outstanding, just "oh that's pretty good". And this was a comic sold in grocery stores and at book fairs. Where shit like Smile and Dog Man get sold.

                Sonic did just okay at Archie and its sales we're always just enough to get by. It slid off fast after a three month hiatus a year before cancellation. It was almost cancelled in the mid 00s until they did a massive Shadow shill campaign. The reality is the book was more trouble than it was worth by the end, and the original inertia was gone.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't really care about what you think. Provide something. Show me something that says Sonic sales weren't good. Don't say Sonic's sales weren't good because they can't compare to the big publishers while they're almost always better than other stuff Archie put out. Surely there's a report saying that the profit for Sonic comics aren't that good compared to the low cost for printing Archie digests.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.comicsbeat.com/archie-sales-figures/
                You really don't know shit about American comics if you questioned this for even a second. Archie Digests are ubiquitous and one of the biggest sellers outside of Scholastic book fairs.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The digests which are 100 pages of reprints sell insanely well therefore Sonic comics don't make any money despite being the best selling Archie comic series that isn't a collection of reprints.
                >Sonic comics sold so poorly that there was almost always a second or even third Sonic series along with minis and specials.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.comicsbeat.com/archie-sales-figures/
                You really don't know shit about American comics if you questioned this for even a second. Archie Digests are ubiquitous and one of the biggest sellers outside of Scholastic book fairs.

                lmao

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://idwmediaholdings.com/idw-announces-results-for-third-quarter-of-fiscal-2022/
                >IDWP revenue of $6.6 million decreased 3% from $6.8 million, primarily related to a temporary decline in the direct market related to the strong comic release of TMNT The Last Ronin #3 in the prior year, fewer titles being released, and the Penguin Random House distributor transition, as well as a decline in digital sales, offset by strong exclusive Scholastic sales of Sonic the Hedgehog and They Called Us Enemy.
                >IDWP revenue increased 9% to $20.1 million from $18.4 million. The increase was driven primarily by an increase in games revenue from the direct-to-consumer games campaign for Batman Adventures and an increase in retailer exclusive revenue related to Sonic the Hedgehog and Transformers.
                https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/52829/idw-celebrates-5-years-sonic-hedgehog-1-million-collections-sold
                >IDW Publishing acquired the Sonic the Hedgehog comics license in 2017 and since then has sold over 1 million collections of the comic about the Sega character and his friends.
                I always want to say that Sonic has been mentioned doing well in financial meetings but I don't feel like going through any more stuff to look for it. Whenever sales have been brought up, it's said that Sonic and TMNT have been doing well. I have not heard anyone saying otherwise.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >exclusive Scholastic sales
                Key words. This is why they pump out specials, by the way.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The editor has explained the main book wasn't delayed for the miniseries. Rather, it's the reverse- they needed a break in the main book, and decided to fill the empty species with a miniseries.
        That doesn't make any fricking sense. Unless it's saying Evan ran out of ideas and needed to main storyline to be put on hold for months for her to think up more stuff.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's other writers. If the editor's not lying, then the obvious answer is there were other production issues.

  36. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You know, those other IDW Classic stories worked out well because they were 1 issue each. Here not only did they stretch the shit out but they did it at the cost of the main books for what? 5 real world months? Plus I find it insulting how the end is just like "That's why Bean and Bark aren't in Superstars now go buy the game, lol"

  37. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like having the Hooligans just split up permanently retroactively just makes shit like Fang threatening to drown the other two seem less like goofy banter and more like him actually being an edgelord.
    Similar with the Tyson Hesse animations making people think Fang and Trip were a goofy comedy duo, than you play Super Stars and Fang is just an unrelenting butthole until Trip lashes out at him and leaves for good.
    I knew fang was an opportunist prick but I kinda thought there was some heart there. But now I'm starting to think without the soft, cute filter of the "classic" side of things, he'd essentially be pic related.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It didn't matter if he was a butthole before because in Triple Trouble he's characterized as an incompetent butt monkey. Like this guy can't even properly set off stage traps like Knuckles.
      Yes, he was characterized as being dumber than Knuckles.
      He could be as horrible as needed cause in the end the joke was to see him fail.
      But now SuperStars makes him some of the hardest boss battles in the game and this mini is having him do badass ice katana shit. It completely reframes how we perceive him. Without built in cosmic comeuppance, you start to realize what a dick he is.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fang's treatment of Trip in that game is severely overblown just because he punts her aside in a cutscene. The rest of the time she's a clutz screwing shit up and he's annoyed by it or getting caught in slapstick, and that's kind of it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean even if he never laid a finger on her, it's the fact that their interactions end with her getting fed up with his shit and leaving him in a pile of scrap.
        This is less about level of abuse and more about him burning bridges with every supporting cast member people were looking forward to him playing off of. It really reframes him as more of a piece of shit with no friends, not the loveable rogue people want to see him as. It also seriously limits his further use.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not fair.
      Infinite had friends.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Note that all of them are dead and Infinite is an imitation of their leader.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Fang is classic Infinite
      >Modern Fang killed fricking everyone before Silver traveled back in time
      At least Zero cared for his Squad somewhat, Fang is entirely motivated by greed, that's been made very apparent.

  38. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh hey tails *urp* I'm just out here eating some chili dogs *brap*

    Sonic's the name, speed's my game! *brap*

  39. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Word’s out that Sega is going to keep the hooligans separated from here on out now that their dynamic in Archie is becoming more popular.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt that's the reason.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would also explain how Bean is behaving now.

  40. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being a best-selling something isn't that impresive when you narrow the field enough.

  41. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's something I posted a while back. I added some lines to better separate things. Each row are the same year but left and right are different months. Sales numbers for some titles are all over the place but Sonic is pretty consistent and towards the top. Not sure what Archie did one month to get 14k.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Boco

      Was that the month with the gay wedding? Or when Archie "died"? One of those gimmicks?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Huh. Well that makes sense.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Boco

          Oh. Hm. Alright then.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One major problem with this: Megaman was selling more than Archie. This just raises further questioning.

      FYI, here's the Archie Circulation numbers, note the "Paid Circulations".
      https://www.comichron.com/titlespotlights/archie.html

      The CEO of Archie just wanting to dump the Sonic license does appear to be the correct assertion. That said, the Archie Sonic sales were still low. Profitability is in question here.

      Archie went near-broke in licensing fees for Worlds Unite and simply couldn't afford to keep Sonic or Mega Man going afterwards.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People also forget that around the same time they started and failed to finish a Kickstarter for Riverdale.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Boco

          I remember that.

          https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/newsbrief/index.html?record=211

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Translation: The books weren't making money

        No matter how you slice it, that's the reality. If the books had sold better, the licensing fee wouldn't be an issue.

        Conspiracy Theory: Sega upped the price of their licensing fee cause they wanted the Archie Comic gone after The Pendering. We do know Sega wanted a comic that was closer or rather "canon" to the games. Wouldn't put it past them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sega upped the price of their licensing fee cause they wanted the Archie Comic gone after The Pendering
          Was it really due to the Pendering? Honest question, because Reboot Archie Sonic ran for quite a few years until it was cancelled.
          We do know the Pendering is most likely the reason Sega started to police the content of the comics more tighly (aka the mandates).

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did you miss the "Conspiracy Theory" part? Theres no evidence that ever happened.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, anon I read it.
              But even for a theory, unless your goal was a 100% shitposting, maybe there was some base to your conjecture.

              Seems like not, in which case pay no attention to this or my other post.

  42. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How is a thread for such a nothingburger comic still alive two days later?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Arguing amongst ourselves is keeping it alive.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      idk

  43. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Another interesting thing to consider is that the people who buy comics tend to be fans of certain writers/artists.
    Like, part of the reason the Transformers Reboot is going so well right now with Skybound is because they got people comic books fan know working on all the books.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, that actually ended up hurting IDW's Transformers comic where by the end it was tumblr incarnate both in visuals and in writing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Weren't the later years of IDW's Transformers also handled by a lot of 'fans turned pro'?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, that's what "tumblr incarnate" means.

          Transformers fans are some of the absolute worst brand of alphabet folk you could ever run into.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Eh, I say it depends on what show/comic you're talking about.
            And my point is mostly that guys like Flynn or all the guys behind IDW Transformers aren't really a draw for people who actually buy comics.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, they're for fellow internet artists, most of whom are gay or bisexual flagwavers desperate for validation.

  44. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Engaging with official sonic media
    You get what you deserve

  45. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I claim this thread for Duo Haliaeetus Vulpes

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Rouge no raping! Rouge no raping!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        WAIT

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's funny because that shadow is being cast by Sonic's ass.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Tails wanting to eat Sonic's ass
            Yeah, figures.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "No can do, hun. You're gonna get exactly what you deserve."

  46. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's using disingenuous arguments

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