Mom's gonna freak!
Talk about the latest issue of Liz's book and what to expect from SpiderKEK next week.
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Mom's gonna freak!
Talk about the latest issue of Liz's book and what to expect from SpiderKEK next week.
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hamster time
The hamsters are too cute. Best part of Spidey threads.
Can I get a QRD on hamsters?
tl;dr
>Norman got Flash drunk and he crashed his van or whatever into a schoolhouse, killing the class hamster
>a random thread many months ago
>people talking about whose deaths Norman is responsible for
>someone brings up the hamster
>a joke starts that Norman gifts the class two new hamsters, but they're named Gabriel and Sarah
>Peter doesn't get it at that time and Norman enjoys being a troll about it
>discussion about how Norman ends up loving the hamsters more than his actual kids
>puts little frog hats on them etc
>next thread someone makes fanart of the hamsters
>people love it
>hamsterlore continues
Thanks anon, that's good stuff
He will beat the shit out his daughter and then, oh wait, wrong universe.
which one of his children (from any universe) would Spiderkek hate the most?
I think Annie. Mayday he would just try to pull a Norman and convince her to join him.
moreso than the son he had in that Abrams story?
In that story, Peter straight up ignored his son, so maybe Goblin Peter just doesn't care about him except if he gets in the way.
>you manage to escape your dad's Goblin Mode era because he doesn't give a shit about you
s-success
Good news! You're still alive.
Bad news, your older sister is now the Green Goblin and your other sister is too busy dying in an hospital to do anything about it.
The fat black one from Old Man Logan
If Peter had a kid in this run, the Spider Goblin arc would be his personal version of Shed.
That retcon of Harry calling Robbie a Black person, throwing his spunk all over Betty's face and telling her this is the only thing women are good for and defecating all over Jonah's table while shouting "Hitler was right all along" was something else.
Hey, if modern Marvel is so hellbent on shitting all over Osborns, may as well join the party.
Not canon.
No one asked.
Good.
Canon is meaningless now, they rewrite and retcon and push so many new agendas and idea that I don't think Canon has ever been so meaningless.
Pre-OMD : Canon
Post-OMD : Not canon
Free yourself from the headache and heartache of believing that modern Spidey's books matter in the slightest or acknowledging all the multiverse garbage that Slott and co. heaped unto the Spidey IP.
Acknowledge that you're just reading really OOC fan-fiction and your heart will be free.
I can imagine in 20-40 years we start refering to spiderman like how we refer to stuff like popeye.
As if.
Better than canon truly
Why does he look like Tommy Lee Jones?
Deodato drew his characters after specific actors. MJ for instance is Liv Tyler
Did MJ ever apologize for that?
Imagine a Harry that was like Dane Dehan’s character in Chronicle. Just substitute the characters in this clip with Pete and Harry.
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>”You and MJ treated me like shit! You left me alone!”
Not canon also
>canon
>dead
oh boy, two overused words that don't even exist in any writer's vocabulary
Again not canon
This is bait I am not buying that Harry abused Liz.
I guess technically he did, but then the discussion becomes about how much weight to you put on him for doing so during his mental breakdowns. The topic of what Liz went though doesn't come up much, but also, does it have to? They want to paint a picture of the trauma everyone involved went though, but it's messy and probably not suited for a 5 (?) issue mini featuring several people who have space alien/god/whatever goop monsters that fight each other
(also I see Gwenschizo is shitting himself bc he's not the OP this time)
They implied Harry was physically abusively. I did not find that at all. Admittedly I'm not digging through 30-40 years of bullshit. Saying means things once or twice is not mental abuse.
It happens in the arc after he takes the Goblin Formula and before his death.
It IS an affect of the substance but I don't know if context will survive. Perhaps Clone Saga Harry is inevitable.
Kind of awkward for this to be addressed while Harry is dead and Norman's getting a second chance after his evil got shot out of him.
Clone saga?
I should have said The Real Clone Saga Harry.
At one point Harry was supposed to be the mastermind but it got shotdown. However the Real Clone Saga retelling decided to go with that explanation and since then there's been a contingent of fans who only vaugely remember the Harry as the Goblin who push for keikaku Harry.
Not a lot. Misery just addressed the time where Harry turned on Liz in his Goblin spiral, which did happen.
However on top of how Spencer's run ended, Marvel still hasn't collected the Spectacular arc, so that nuance is not surviving the panel posting brigade.
It's also just awkward that Sinless Norman is there. Kind of undercuts it.
Oh that's stupid
I don't remember. I remember him being creepy. Short after the serum, but I don't remember him ever grabbing her, or do thing that would be classified as mental abuse. Pete smacking MJ across the room is more abusive than this.
These are the pages
and he yells at Liz during the dinner issue.
He does snap at Normie twice after he interrupts his hallucinating before taking the formula, but he's also breaks out of it quickly unlike after the formula.
The whole story arc is Harry having a PTSD breakdown and then taking an anger inducing stimulant drug on top of it.
As it happens the reason he's sweating in those pages is because the formula is killing him. People forget that's the reason he dies.
Drugs or not, that's not abuse. This "revelation" of hers suggested she was under constant abuse. Physical or mental abuse is prolong periods of abuse whether there's a reason for it or not. Prior to this, snapping at someone isn't abuse. That's like saying when Liz told Harry she wish he was still dead is mental abuse. I'm aware of the snapping and what not, outside this single panel, I haven't seen anything else.
I don't mind Liz character development. She needs it. And I don't know shit about this writer, but I hope this thread isn't carried over to other books.
Putting your hands on someone like this is assault.
Yes but it’s not a pattern that was ever implied to be there before that point. Harry and Liz had a really wholesome relationship before he let the goblin take over, I don’t think this is a good turn for her character considering it’s the SECOND Ditko character we’re losing to symbiot shit. That and the writer is also clearly writing her to be with his stand in
For me the issue is how its framed and the time its coming out. Its coming out at a time where the spider-books seem to be exactic about BND despite how shit that whole era was and seem to continuously be shitting on JMDs stories at every chance.
Also symbiote liz just feels like such a strange concept.
Yeah, it's assault. It's not abuse. Pete punched Paul. Is that abuse? SpOck punched Felicity. Is that abuse? Venom beat the snort out of Felicity. Was that assault, or abuse?
A-yep. This is shitty retelling. Like I said, if this is the lens we're viewing this, then Pete's a monster.
Liz has been in a weird place for years. She's not even like, morally gray. She's just has been written to do some stupid shit.
>Pete punched Paul. Is that abuse?
Abuse of the readers.
It does feel weird her whole villain turn goes unmentioned.
You do have a point! But its more so context? Its a bit strange to be bringing this up while having norman parading around as a hero in the next room.
Norman will get his soon enough after the shock jock plot finally comes to an end. It's not like this writer is at fault for the status quo. It feels like something that makes sense to discuss for Liz. Few readers gave a damn what she thought and she isn't privy to the same information we have as the audience.
Yeah but oftem times WHEN a story comes out impacts more.
Maybe, but its making me think it will lead to a "BND Harry was great!" and liz thinking that the good parts she loved were there or something like that.
Idk what I've seen of the book doesn't seem bad...just...an odd direction?
>BND Harry was great!
Reminder.
Im saying what i assume.
And that was the one good main BND arc IMHO. And even then it was carried by stormin' norman and eddie blanco
Context does manner here. Lily was operating as Menace at this point. He snapped. That's it. And that was probably the last time he did it.
Hah, though I'd insane if Liz and Lily find out their both victims of a snappy guy.
She was Menace at the time but Harry wasn't aware of that fact. The context is that Norman is a abusive pos and Harry took his anger out on the closest available target.
Norman and his worldviews are the common thread in all Harry's blowups.
And Norman's father was cruel to him, just an unending cycle.
Norman basically telling Harry that he is trying to respect Harry's choices because he's his son
>the Bean would have been destroyed or sabotaged before gobby blew it up under the assumption that Harry was Menace if he didn't
But he's hurt that Harry seems to want nothing to do with him and the family business
>he thinks this is a rejection of him and the family as a whole and is a snippy b***h about it because he cares alot about his family, wants to be a provider unlike his dad, and bases his self-worth on them.
in the worst way possible is nice character writing for Slott. Sure, it relies almost completely on other writers who came before him, but it's still neat.
Well don't feel too bad for her, she and Norman were probably fricking right before that conversation
I don't feel sorry for her. The point of this conversation isn't to say "poor abused supervillainess". It's to mention that clone Harry had his own issues too.
Btw they don't frick until she's in prison. She tried to put the moves on Peter first.
No dispute on Norman's influence. And I'm not justifying it, either. I'm just saying snapping at people is not abuse of any kind. I just don't like the narrative that this is classified as prolong abuse. Shift the victim focus from Harry to Liz, which I just can't stomach because it's very much implying the reason why she's been written as this morally gray person is because of Harry.
Miguel is so useless
If you mean Liz and Lily it wasn't "just snapping at them" in either case.
As for the grey writing, from a meta pov, their marriage is exactly why she's written as a grey character. Few good characters survive as good characters if married to a villain. Comics just doesn't work like that.
From a story standpoint, so far it looks like her flaws were what led to her descent to me? Harry's involvement played a part but Harry didn't force her to do anything she did. The symbiote is sus to me.
I should also add that imo her interaction with Norman is more to blame for her behavior than Harry. For me, Harry and his issues are about as culpable for what she's done as Nora Fries is for Victor Fries. A tragic backstory that explains a couple things, but doesn't provide the entire picture.
This is such a stupid page. They could've had Osborn get away any number of ways. It could've been when Peter and Norman were alone at night in an alleyway or something. But it happens in broad daylight in a wide open area. Miguel is looking RIGHT AT HIM when he runs away. How does he not follow immediately and chase him down with his superior speed?
please understand, Miguel got distracted by Norman's sick jetski
Seriously, how the frick did they let this one slip? Do they just not care?
Miguel got distracted by Liz's baby-making hips. You don't see Liz twerking because it's a comic panel. The artist should have made it more obvious. Sorry.
>Hah, though I'd insane if Liz and Lily find out their both victims of a snappy guy.
They should get back at him by making love to each other.
>LizLily
There's no way yuribros are gonna be that lucky.
Never say never.
Peter has had plenty of those moments.
This issue was fine but I'll be unimpressed if they try and blow this up and skip over Lilly playing mind games with him and then trying to kill him. On the Goblin Formula but as the issue said, so was Harry.
It'd be funny as hell if the last issue is just Liz finding out all of #75's revelations.
>Oh yeah Harry was starting to worry he was a clone and he contacted me to keep me in the loop since he was worried what that would mean for Stanley and how clone genes work.
>That time whole time you thought he relapsed he was actually locked up and then died. The Centipedes probably should have tipped you off tbh.
>Who was that. Well you see Norman thought...oh hell that's too much to explain. Just know that everything that happened was because Norman sold him to the devil when he was a kid and all of your suffering was because Mephisto was using his soul as a pawn against Peter Parker.
>Pretty weird right? Suprised they haven't told you. Anyway I've heard you've all turned into symbiotes so I'm getting my boy out of here. You guys are wild.
Peter's been written as abusive, everyone knows. That doesn't make one person better doing something ok.
Lily's a b***h. I've never understood why people think one person doing one thing cancels out another person doing another thing. Harry was in the wrong in that moment and abusive. Just because she goes full axe murderer on him later does not wash away what happened before.
I hope not! There's no way the comic would be satisfying in any way if they chose the last issue of the comic to dump all of that clutter on Liz. Someone is going to need to man up and tell the woman about Spencer's hack job idea eventually.
>Lily's a b***h
>in sheep's clothing!
You know what I don't understand? Giving Lily Hollister a design with horns then making her a black cat recolor. At least pick an animal with horns!
>expecting creativity from known plagiarizing palette swapper Roderick Kingsley
Orange>Green
>Harry was in the wrong in that moment and abusive.
It's abusive in the way a mean youtube comment is abusive but not in a part of a pattern of sustained abuse as people describe in an abusive relationship.
It'd be weird if they try and compare what Liz experienced.
It's also not just later, Lilly was already on the Goblin juice at that point and was playing him.
>Harry was in the wrong in that moment and abusive
But who cares? Why bring it up? Not only is Harry dead but the things she did to him are objectively worse. This whole abuse plotline is moronic and they just want to make another Hank Pym out of poor Harry
>So... far from perfect.
>It's kind of hot.
>SpOck punched Felicity. Is that abuse? Venom beat the snort out of Felicity.
>Felicity
If Hank Pym can be shit on for decades because of one (misdrawn) panel that takes place during a mental breakdown then you bet your ass they'll pull the same shit on Harry if they want to
Snatching something from someone's hand is considered physical assault in court. You'd be surprised what is considered abuse the moment someone complains about it.
Good reccs
Max is so dumb
Oh boy here we go again.
Milf vs milf. I love it!
>Every single support character has to be a cape now
The frick is wrong with comic writers?
Lily started out as Menace, got arrested, got amnesia, got a hero make-over and decided this was more convenient.
So he killed Harry?
Cool
that's all. Edge of venomverse unlimited infinity comic finally ended
I chuckle a bit when the solution for a problem ends up being "yeah just talk to them" in comics
>not using Web Of Shadows Vulture/Electro
Even better
Can't steal from Miles
That’s the upcoming 2026 storyline
Such a good bawd that MJ is.
Why not have MJ break up with Pete after she finds out about OMD instead? She obviously wants kids and Peter threw their marriage and child away for Aunt May. It's not perfect but it's much better than "love interest hates that their hero boyfriend is a hero" shit they always do.
B/C OMD is basically the bait for the audiences will they wont they shit for the next 40 years. Also they aren't together lol.
Omd will get undone the moment the last of the leeches tied it leaves. Then after 20 years of marriage something similar will happen again
Yeah its really just cyclical like all the shit didio did over at DC getting undone the moment he left. Comics are getting nicher each year & overtime theyll just resort to crap fanservice like DCs doing to retain the audience or nostalgia bait them by bringing back ultimates.
>Omd will get undone the moment the last of the leeches tied it leaves
It will never get undone moron
Is that MJ and Paul? The frick happened to them to make them from shlubby normal couple to this?
Getting Cinemaphile to survive the post-apocalypse
Thought that was Lara Croft till she said MJ
Conway had an ordeal
that's rough stuff (though I will not excuse him for writing his posts like he's a Whedon character)
>Brevoort is being uppity again. And he will still edit FF despite being an x-men editor
Question: I'm reading Spidey from the beginning and only in 1989, so I don't have an opinion myself, but I would love to hear you talk a little more about the decision to swap out Peter for Ben as the "true" Peter.
I understand that it was a move to return to a younger-feeling Spidey, without undoing the marriage of Pete and MJ. And that the main criticism was that people felt like it invalidated the adventures they'd be following for decades.
Was there a debate in the room on these things? Were other solutions floated? I'd love to know more about how it all came together.
Brevoort: The full story of the Clone Saga would take a couple of these Newsletters to tell, Chris, so I don’t know that I can really do your question justice. The storyline wasn’t specifically embarked upon to eliminate the marriage of Peter and MJ, but as soon as it was conceived, that was the obvious outcome, and one welcomed by most involved. I know that the Pete/MJ crowd hates to hear this, but people in the Spidey office had been looking for a way to back out of that marriage pretty much from the point where it happened. So one of the big appeals of the return of the clone and the revelation that he was the true Peter was that the existing Peter and MJ could ride off into the sunset to a happy ending where they have their baby, and then Ben could resume his real self as Peter Parker and continue forward as an unmarried, unattached Spider-Man. Now, this wasn’t without its problems or controversies either even if had gone off exactly as originally intended. But there was no other alternative plan put forward at that moment of which I am aware—mostly because undoing the marriage wasn’t the objective driving the creation of that storyline, coming up with a media-worthy event that could garner mainstream press in the manner of the death of Superman and the Breaking of Batman had was.
>I know that the Pete/MJ crowd hates to hear this, but people in the Spidey office had been looking for a way to back out of that marriage pretty much from the point where it happened
I know they keep saying this, but I always doubt it was THAT true
How hard was the backlash from fans at the time?
>But doing this just supports Dan’s assertions about your behavior elsewhere.
holy rent free. I wonder how they even come that conversation. Well, they probably do so all the time
holy shit, he gets btfo and immediately starts threatening that dude with a ban. What a weak b***h
On the one hand, I get Brevoort's point about the fact that he was there, he knew these guys, and the commenter wasn't.
On the other, he gets weaselly and refuses to continue the discussion the instant the commenter brings up some proof of the others' stance on the marriage, which is silly.
I like how Breevort starts going on a tirade of threats and personal attacks to distract of the fact that he's explicitly calling DeFalco a liar. Having no spine must be the first thing they test when you apply for a staff position at Marvel
More like resenting your old bosses who are critical of your shitty work.
spine tingling
background
scared peter
what is Peter looking at, Spidey bros?
His future.
Goblin Peter.
People who believe he'd sell his marriage to Satan
His book
NTR porn of his (ex)wife
Juan Ferreyra draws a damn good Peter Parker. Wish he were on a regular SM title beyond the occasional mini.
What a waste of a design
spider-boy #1 var. 32 spider-boy variants in total
I like how Spider-Gwen was shoved into this cover as well
It is funny. She's just in the background for no reason.
they should make it a thing where a random cover will have that same jpg of Gwen in the background.
They really captured her character.
That's it? Jump cut to black suit? Booooo.
>That's it? Jump cut to black suit? Booooo
we'll probably get a panel or page of him picking it up. I presume Peter will go on monologuing either out loud or in a text box and we'll see a costume change as well.
Ruined because they shoved Spider Gwen in there.
Gang War variants or something?
Tom Defalco: She was originally based on my niece. My brother, her father, fought in Vietnam and when my sixteen-year-old niece thought about becoming a cop, it threw him into a tizzy. He’d say, “She’s only a kid, how can she think about risking her life?” And I said, “But John, when you were eighteen you were in Vietnam!” And he said, “That’s different, I knew what I was doing. She doesn’t know what she’s doing.” And I always liked that conflict between a parent who lived an adventuresome life getting nervous that his kid would follow in his footsteps. So when I thought about Spider-Girl, I thought, Man, I can finally use that great dialogue I heard of the two of them arguing all the time! A lot of readers thought, “Peter Parker was a superhero! He should be thrilled his daughter is a superhero!” Except–Peter knows the dangers of being a crime fighter. In his eyes his little girl will always be his baby. And you don’t want your baby to be at risk. I think those are important and natural feelings.
Is it me or did frenz actually draw an older benjy?
God I love tomboys
He said that in this interview right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKea3sKgFAY
Also it's annoying how this type of logic makes perfect sense for peter, yet spider-verse assumes peter would be dumb enough to bring mayday to another dimension as a baby
Why is it so tiny?
Yes
Imagine the sibling bickering between mayday and ben while fighting crime
Mayday would be a fully grown adult by the time Benjy hit ten years old, so I don't think there would be much bickering.
She's guaranteed to be the one to show him the ropes and without a doubt there would be bickering to be had
Such a clean design
Yep! Intresting that ron frenz said that his idea is that MJ used to dye her hair to explain why her hair was orange in mc2 still not convinced.
upscale attempt
A 2015 commission based on an un-used cover sketch from WEBSPINNERS: TALES OF SPIDER-MAN #17, 2000!
normie venom
>In MC2 Normie used the Venom symbiote to be a hero
>Nowadays Normie is using an offshoot of the Carnage symbiote to be a hero
Weird.
https://www.gamesradar.com/kraven-the-hunter-becomes-peters-prey-in-an-exclusive-preview-of-amazing-spider-man-33/
fine pain it is
end of preview
PETER YOU CAN'T RAPE HIM NOOOOOO
>becomes evil
>suddenly is competent again
ROOFIE TIME
So what are the bets?
Peter tortures Kraven and eventually buries him alive, eventually hunting down either Norman or Kafka.
Ah frick, this story is gonna be fun isn't it?
No
Yes
No way.
After Kraven is dealt with Peter attacks Felicia. She's hospitalized. Explains her absence for gang war. Rest of issue is a Norman guilt trip
Wtf i love ASM now?
lmao a nice fake leak but like frick me if im not getting flashbacks to Superior.
The break up happened because Slott doesn't like Felicia and wanted her out of the picture and Lowe said okay
Lmao why would slott care, like so whut hes gonna push some moronic version of Michele as the love interest. Also isn't this man on spider boy, hes got his own book.
>Carlie cooper 2.0
He just hates any character he didn't create that existed after the 80s
I mean true marvel intern very true and insightful wisdom on these fake leaks lol.
Of all the Pride characters, Felicity is Marvel's most popular one. That's why the breakup happened. Despite the writer's note in this year's Marvel's Voices: Pride, that story was post breakup. No coincidence the breakup happens a month or so after the issue is released.
>Felicity
Wells had next-to-zero interest writing Peter/Felicia interactions. They likely only got together because Lowe or someone else high up thought that Peter was way too much of a loser at the beginning of the run and needed a girlfriend to seem like less of one. Now that Mary Jane's kids are are gone, they can begin the set-up of teasing a Peter/MJ reunion which means getting Black Cat out of the way. Easy enough to do since as I said, Wells had no interest in writing about it.
I can't wait for that to be horribly drawn out and written like dogshit!
You forgot michele existing
And that was a single date that fell trough
I know but I wouldn't be suprised if Wells decided to flip the trope of mj missing peter but peter happy with michele.
Finding out she was Tombstone's lawyer killed that relationship then and there.
Maybe but wait n see approach for gang wars imo.
He's leaving by 60. He'd have to do so in 26 issues and it seems unlikely sin Peter will do that. But who knows. Maybe.
Who? cares
Whether Wells had interest or not, the breakup wasn't his call.
There's no proof of that either way. What I have is reflected in what he wrote. She was his manic pixie dream girl and now he doesn't need one anymore.
My take as well. Other than Norman sins, Kraven targeting Felicia sounds like the original plan to make Peter go dark.
Seems like it was always the idea
As usual it'll stay a mystery but the most likely explanation is Wells just lacking talent to write them right.
Her name ISNT Felicity!
Holy jeebus!
I bet you spell Rogue as Rouge too!
X
I heard something different.
Give me some more fake leaks anon cmon.
It seems fake to me. What I heard was that this whole issue is kraven stuff intercut with flashbacks. Then it ends with norman finding felicia and mj to help with peter. Next target being queen goblin
any Paul?
Wasn't mentioned to me. But MJ only shows up at the very end. So i assume no?
>What I heard was that this whole issue is kraven stuff intercut with flashbacks. Then it ends with norman finding felicia and mj to help with peter. Next target being queen goblin
This sound fake also show proof or piss off.
I said I heard it. And I said I didn't think it eas real either. Granted I think the other one is even less real.
>Next target being queen goblin
Oh this fake as frick Solicit Synopsis for the ASM #34
SPIDER-MAN’S HUNT CONTINUES!
We all know Peter goes after the green goblin next nice try moron.
• Who is Peter’s next victim?
• The penultimate chapter of a story you’ll never forget!
The cover could be cause Peter had the sins...and again I heard it. Am not betting on it.
i see this
>Inside peter's brain
>You see parker, you didn't need of me to unlock your potential, or even the serum or the symbiote.
>You were always a Osborn, the son i never had, a son who like your father made a deal with the devil and lost your own siblings as a payment.
>But i know where you can still find her.
>Just let me take control of you, she is probably by the age you became spider-man.
>Together, se can put an end to the big red's shenanigans, just let me take control.
Seems more like a rehash of past leaks where the reason Peter goes dark is because kraven hospitalized Felicia
Place your bets on who you think will win, will Gwen kick white fox's butt or will it be the other way around.
Fricking all Spider-Gwen gets now is good cover art.
That's all she's ever been worth
end of preview
yet another spider-boy #1 cover
Marvel is making damn sure they can boast great sales numbers for Spider-Boy #1! Most comic book stores will probably have to give away free all the extra copies they order to get all the variants for the "collectors" who want them all.
Who are these "collectors" I keep hearing about? Are they aware of how much they contribute to the death of this industry?
The sooner the industry dies the sooner it is that their garbage might be worth something
They only care about keeping their collection as complete as possible. Some of them even admit that they don't read the comics anymore but keep buying them. Either they get some satisfaction out of collecting them like people do with Funkos and crap like that, or they're hoping to make some money by selling their collection in the future.
Comics aren’t worth anything anymore. No one’s going to buy any of this crap.
kinda kino
Strongly dislike how they keep pushing the kid towards Spider-Verse.
Zoyjak face
Posting again for new thread
Could be bigger
That's for the nsfw
One's mine!
Actually question...why is her hair half black always?
its just how comic shading works
To show that her hair is a deep red instead of being more orange like normal red hair
Sauce?
I hope PeterGob goes on some nice Stormin' Norman tier monologuing.
So says President Spider!
attaboy!
Cuties!
Kino
How it should be
Words can't describe how uncanny deadotto looks to me.
Weirdos.
>"Are you a self proclaimed super villain?"
>"Why, shucks, sir, I sure am a regular guy in bad underpants who fights justice without understanding one damn thing about how the world works, yes."
>"Excellent. I send you now to a concentration camp where you will be sterilized, lobotomized, tenderized and pasteurized"
>"So says President Spider!"
will Peter have naked monologues as well?
Maybe he's naked under that suit, would the monologues still work?
has to be butt naked for it to be a true and honest Stormy Pete moment. He can do it while standing over a scared shitless Kraven
Hoping the highlight of these issues is Kraven being scared shitless by Goblin Peter barely doing anything.
oh yeah, that could be pretty fun.
Conway had cancer but he's fine now btw
Discussion thread about Harry abusing Liz. I really hated to make it but since this is now canon.
I rather remember Harry in a better light but sadly this is no longer possible.
Why do u samegay?
>but since this is now canon.
It's just fanfic, don't get your panties in a knot.
>enter spider-thread
>it's bad
I don't know what I expected honestly
Is it?
If only Spider-Man would end by now it really would be for best. I don't want anymore suffering.
There's 7 rn
Question: If you had the chance to write Paul, who is with MJ, then how would you a do it?
Paul goes to hell to fight Wayeb in order to get back his kids, manages to undo OMD along the way.
>manages to undo OMD along the way
That part is all Mephisto though
Wayeb and Mephisto are best friends (maybe), so he hurts them both.
That makes no sense, & he would only get the kids back, & MJ would stay with Paul more. Which Paul wanted anyway
He gets the kids but st the cost of making the marriage come back.
One more paul
>Oh no Paul has died from a massive case of testicular cancer that made him ultra infertile
>Do you miss him?
>Nah, miss the kids tho.
>Wanna grab lunch?
>Sure tiger
I would insert Norman fricking MJ with Paul and see how the fans would react.
I would write Paul and Norman fricking and Peter and mj crying over being cucked both
How about Norman & Paul double teaming on MJ, who loves it, & Peter would have to listen to audio of her sexy moans
Nah paul/norman
Yes! Yes!
>Question: If you had the chance to write Paul, who is with MJ, then how would you a do it?
Remember when people were saying his big secret was going to be that he was a dickless eunuch? Exactly like that.
Then he marries Miles and they die on the way back to their home planet.
There was the House of M Spider-Man mini that also had Peter as Green Goblin. What a fricked up mini that was and it completely contradicted the main issues of the event.
>written by waid
Bndgays can't into spider-man
Ah the one where peter was married to Gwen but implied to be fricking MJ on the side
Wtf i love House of M now?
How come
>implied to be fricking MJ on the side
What when? When was this even implied.
It's bullshit don't fall for it.
In interview about movie where MJ is playing Gwen she says suggestive dialogue and she and Peter are holding hands accidentally. Gwen looks at that in silence
So they hold hands so what? there is nothing which suggests Peter is cheating on Gwen. You are blowing things out of proportion anon.
Cuckquean Gwen real?
Very much so
Some art of Miles & MJ after Gwen died
Does this pic not prove that Milesgays are only into Spider-Man for the wish fulfillment aspect? This is why they're such a cancer. They don't know shit or give a frick about Spidey, yet they keep involving themselves and their fetishes in the general conversation.
Did research. That pic comes from a porn addled gay that gets stuff on underage characters and pits Peter with spider gwen
>yet they keep involving themselves and their fetishes in the general conversation.
Okay, but enough about Normangays
Normanbros actually read comics. And you haven't refuted anything I've said. You lose two points.
Huh that looks good.
This is what he looks like in the show
Ben was also in the Fantastic Four cartoon.
A quick blink and you'll miss him shot.
I can't remember if he was in Incredible Hulk or not though.
I know I used to know. LoL
Also...
Hercules
Scarlet
DareDevil?
Black Widow
Goliath
Who's that last one?
>Who's that last one?
Wait... Is that...
You lost me...
Is who ....? Who?
Which one are you referring to?
The guy in glasses next to Captain America.
That was ridiculous trying to find this:
https://www.toymania.com/customcorner/cc19/worth.shtml
i wish spider-man threads weren’t constantly being derailed by porn obsessed homosexuals that wanna do nothing but talk about their cuck fetishes and act like it’s trolling.
So no one's going to notice that MJ's wearing Spidey's Ditko colors?
Kino
Every run on ASM over the last 20 years has the edgy wears black suit again arc. JMS Back in Black, BND Grim Hunt, Dan Slott's last arc somewhat, Spencer Hunted, Wells this.
What can I say? The black suit is too cool to not be used.
Slot really didnt.
panels in question happened while HARRY WAS DYING. Abused my ass
What happened this time?
Is there any story/series which takes a bit more realistic take on Peter suddenly becoming a guy capable of doing stuff he does?
I always felt Peter being an untrained civilian is always skimmed over.
Think something like
>Ben dies
>Peter, not wanting to repeat the same mistake, decides to use his powers for good and not let innocents because he was indifferent
>starts fighting crime
>succeeds takes down crooks, thieves, a lone robber, and other (petty) crimes
>becomes a talk of the city/nation with some people applauding his activities with critics voicing their concerns while his defenders note that the rate of some crimes went drastically down because of him
>ends up having to deal with a hostage situation, live robbery at a major bank, kidnapping etc.
>his civilian, untrained, and inexperienced self nearly sees him or victim(s) killed and/or perp(s) killed/escape
>his actions might have even made the situation worse and/or hindered the police, SWAT, and other professionals
>realizes how unprepared he actually is and why police, special forces etc. have to undergo proper training before they are put into real world situation where they have to deal with dangerous and stressful situations, how to talk perps down, weapon handling, bomb handling, knowledge of the law, and so on, which he completely lacks
>comprehends the full implications of Ben's maxim that his great power need to be used responsibly and wielded competently, not just applied to a problem and hope for the best
>ends up working (in)directly with the police/government
>has to learn and follow the law, but the officials are willing to look the other way and even grant him a degree of autonomy, so that he isn't going to be prosecuted for trespassing and other stuff a normal officer/agent would be
>receives (un)official backing and gets access to various trainings
>gets integrated into a special unit which learns to leverage his powers to enhance their cooperation and capabilities
In shooter era marvel, he would had let aunt may die, but have her back as something else, if not as the new madame web and rejuvenated.
Yes
>Peter and MJ at the time: Girl, get yourself out! You need to call the police!
>Liz at that time: But they treat him badly and I just got him back! None of you understand, we're in love!
JMD wrote it as abuse. It's still abuse if the guy is shizo.
Yeah but what's the point in bringing it up now years after the fact when Harry is dead twice over, that and they've painted it like she was in denial over the whole relationship and Harry was always abusive when he was abusive at most for two or three weeks before he fricking died
Abuse can be a single act or repeated acts. It doesn't really matter.
>It doesn't really matter.
It absolutely does if they're trying to say Harry was always like that, rather than Harry just doing various bad things in the last weeks of his life when he took Goblin Formula and went crazy.
They didn't suggest Harry was always like that. Author gave LizHarry more chemistry in the previous books than the entire BND team put together and a good portion of old Marvel too.
Yeah but in the grand scheme of shit Harry did when he was gobbed out, yelling at Liz a couple of times is nothing compared to what he did to Peter
Someone else having it worse just means they were both abused.
>dead twice over
You can't really expect a character to be untouched once they die. If anything, Marvel has less reason to give a damn about Harry now that he's not moving books lmao.
I just fail to see the point, all it's doing is shitting on the other stories where Harry was sane and a loving father and husband
>Yeah but what's the point
See, you think there is a point.
There isn't.
It's just bad ooc writing to fit the story.
I guess the question is how will the book handle the rest, especially since its bringing (sigh) holister for contrast.
Maybe she's finally taking back her son.
>the question is how will the book handle the rest,
Poorly
What would make you think the answer is anything other than "poorly"?
It's handled Peter pretty well so far, but I guess we'll have to see how it all ends up
Damn. All this discussion about domestic abuse, and it ain't even Valentine's day yet!
How does JMD feel about Marvel not moving on from Kraven and continuing to milk Kraven's Last Hunt?
>retire villains
>introduce new villains
>no one likes new villains
>bring back old villians
Simple as
Even then he'll probably shrug, maybe ask why they didn't just stick with alyosha rather than make other replacements.
They're just the best.
Peter looking kind of fruity in this panel. Frosted tips were a terrible idea.
Its just the art style
Normanbros, how we doin'?
Steve ditko? More like Steve schizo
What's up with spidergays and cuckoldry?
Certain fanbases tend to attract more freaks than others, compare Sonic's to pretty much any other major video game mascot.
that has that furry edge making it crazier tho
stop coping, Miles
Maybe Liz and Peter should be with each other. let's face it Peter was betrayed by MJ and Liz suffered at Harry's hands so in a way that makes the perfect couple. And of couse Liz being a blonde is a good thing too.
It’d be an interesting turn for pete, and it would be something new. Hell I’d like to see how Liz would react to learning Pete’s identity
She knew his identity pre-OMD.
>pretending MJ wasnt put into a situation that would be considered cohersion irl
That bridge has been burned, though Liz no longer remembers.
I know he was being blackmailed and all, but Mark seriously should have rebelled when Chameleon let known psychotic baby killer Scarecrow anywhere near his nephew.
Would like to see an AU where Pete gets with Liz instead.
The annie hater gay reeks of a marvel intern.
It's strange cause slott made annie
And who at marvel even hates the mere idea of peter having kids? and it was confirmed to post here?
I dunno, who?
Annie a cute
She's the cutest girl in the entire web!
Who's this character again?
Anime Parker
A cute jobber.
Mj's butt remains impressive.
I like looking at the dumb articles CBR AI generates (they MUST, they're often so poorly written), and I was going through this one
https://www.cbr.com/spiderman-surprise-reveals-retcons/
you have your usual stories here - Sins Past, trouble, clone shenanigans etc - but the last one made me stop for a moment.
>One More Day Erased Peter And MJ's Daughter
>One of the biggest reveals in Peter Parker's life had nothing to do with Spider-Man. Instead, Peter was shocked and delighted to learn that his wife, Mary Jane Watson, was pregnant with their daughter. While convoluted and ultimately disappointing storylines led to the young May Parker's disappearance, Marvel did the character an extra disservice in "One More Day."
>The events of "One More Day" not only erased Peter and MJ's marriage but also made it so that their daughter never existed in the first place. All the character growth and relationship development that had occurred after May's loss was completely wiped away, leaving her nothing but a distant memory in readers' minds. Thankfully, several alternate universes have imagined worlds in which the Parker family lived happily ever after.
but Mayday still existed, right (or still could, I guess)? She hasn't been namedropped, but who else could it be in that list left for Norman under "the baby"?
Quesada said that but lately they've been referencing the baby sorta again.
Mayday was erased by the contract with OMD, same as Annie who Mephisto taunted them with her face., if she was still alive like what norman did at mc2 when he created April off her, she wouldn't be a baby anymore.
If 616 mayday is still alive, she would be in her 10's or 12 anymore since the timeskip is still a thing.
It is another Nadia Van Dyne situation, and if she ever shows up, she would be the 13/14 by now and possibly acting as spider-girl in the shadows.
And is MC2 canon that Norman sent her to Europe before Kaine found her.
By the way, has Mary Jane EVER learned that Annie and May exists?
Marvel wont aprove a white Michelle Jones since she isn't La Creatura de Los Perros.
With OMD she probably forgot about them, or has a faint memory of it.
I think he means MC2 May(day) and RYV Annie
If mephisto didn't erased may she would be the same age or a bit older than Normie and Dylan.
The girl mephisto taunted Peter and Mary Jane if they hadn't done the deal would be Annie.
The Deal erased both May and Annie because Mephisto probably saw a future where the Spider Girls would ruin his plans or help with his demise.
he doesn't do this type of shit if someone really threatens him in the future.
Mayday has been mentioned recently in roundabout ways so she might still exist. And logically she should because the clone saga STILL happened.
Yes, meaning that if she is still alive but with the same age as Normie and Dylan.
And possibly with her powers.
And if she is still alive, she isn't in america, but europe.
He looks like paul with a shaved face
Mephisto changed things, she doesn't exist. MJ is sad over her nonexistent kids, not a stillbirth.
It was in the list of people norman hurt AND beyond had a flashback to something that would only happen if she was about to be born.
She will not be directly acknowledged any time in the near future.
She'll be in the Jessica Drew book
imagine the scene if Jess discovers that the deal exists
We also just had the book where MJ was pregnant with her. So certainly seems like marvel suddenly remembered.
That was a JMD nostalgia mini where he said that he wasn't under any obligation to acknowledge any kind of continuity that happened after the time period the book took place in which is obvious given that they were married.
>It was in the list of people norman hurt
Shouldn't it have been longer than that? He's killed and tortured people in the thousands by now.
Ben wrote that list. Not that he should know most of what's in it anyway, both from his brain damage and not being around to know, but that's the idea.
Ben wasn't involved in Gold Goblin at all. Queen Goblin wrote it.
Maybe it's the deaths that impact Norman the most?
Well yeah it's just a list of some people, I mean Ben isn't even on there when Norman killed him and Peter is on there like 5 times
Oh, figured it was him from the Oscorp infiltration bit on DW. That makes more sense.
I meant to tag you in this, not me. LoL
Nope, you still don't understand it.
He was asking if 616 MJ knows that MC2 Mad(day) and RYV Annie exist.
Again norman still remembers in some way and beyond had a flashback tied to it specifically
>By the way, has Mary Jane EVER learned that Annie and May exists?
Considering Slott just assumed that Peter had met Mayday before and continued on with no fanfare I doubt it. Although I do wonder how'd she feel with the knowledge that she ends up with Peter in basically every universe
Slott confused the time mayday traveled back to mc2's past to her travelling to 616 I think. Because he'sa "continuity expert" you see.
Even if it was actually 616 she went to didn't Peter not find out Mayday was his daughter? And even then that would still warrant a bigger reaction than he showed her when they met in the present.
God I fricking hate Slott
Yep, but slott doesnt actually read stuff. He reads marvel wikia articles.
His hateboner for DeFalco probably didn't help matters
>10 year old annie looked like pippi longstocking
>16 year old looks like april o'neal
Pre timeskip Annie is best Annie.
We'll have to wait for the based cbr leakgay tbh
I have heard about an article talking about the future return of Spidercide.
Can somebody confirms it?
Spine tingling spiderman confirmed it.
When? I thought that issue was delayed.
Theres a couple of art floating around of pics of spidercide in it, forgot where though but you can find it.
Founded! Thanks.
Peter will confront Norman on the bridge where he lost Gwen and "die" he will go to hell where he will be confronted with the fact he and MJ did the whole one more day deal
Peter may or may not kill Paul, the kids, and Normie as a middle finger frick you to everyone
What kids?
what the FRICK does Anime mean by that face?
My daddy can beat up your daddy.
LISTEN HERE, YOU LITTLE SHIT-
For just s short time, she's getting her dad all to herself
Damn mayday is tiny
Nice, but the blue glove is ticking off my 'tism.
I like this overall, but the MCU designs destroy the costumes.
I miss old stormin Norman and his mug.
Do you think he still has it?
>braintrust
>the worst spider-man writers
tracks
God I forgot Guggenheim was a part of that. Jesus christ
And he was ass there too. Anyone remember freak?
I thought Freak was Bob Gale's issues?
Guggenheim did the stupid Jackpot subplot
Oh yeah, gugenighem did something else that was stupid but I'm blanking
He was the one who did the Jackpot stuff and also Harry's girlfriend being a Goblin
I'm also glad people are wising up to how ass most of Brand New Day really was
>menace
I had memoryholed that.
That's her name, I completely blanked on that
This is because the "braintrust" were dogshit at creating memorable characters. Who gives a frick about anyone from BND? They may as well have never existed. A huge chunk of it can be skipped and nothing of value will be lost.
Same. I knew BND was shit when it started and I'm glad others are realizing how shit it was too. Fifteen years I've been waiting for what was once my favorite book to get good again. Fifteen fricking years.
I've been waiting since Sins Past for the book to get good again.
Yes, I know it's no longer canon (thank frick) but the fact that editorial let it happen in the first place...
>anon ragequit during the last time ASM was good
Back in black was kino
How did you?
I try and forget about BND
Really makes you think tbqh
Anyone have the frenz cover art and the frenz venom/gg thing?
>troons say that ultimate jessica is trans because she was cloned from peter
this doesnt even make sense. her body was created female and she acknowledges shes a female and never mentions anything about being a boy other than having peters memories.
cute snatch
I guess mtf
Shouldn't Gobbed Peter now find out whether or not Mayday is alive or not?
Maybe, not that they'll do anything with that setup.
That would make sense but they'll never do anything with it, and it'll be impossible to tell if that's because they're purposefully avoiding it or if Wells just doesn't know it's still a dangling plot thread
It's not a dangling plot thread. She never existed post-OMD which Quesada codified in OMIT. A vaguely worded nod to fans in a mini doesn't make it canon.
The only one who said that was quesada, no one else. And it makes everything nonsensical regardless.
Through their actions, Alonso and Cebulski have shown they very clearly agree with Quesada's take on Spider-Man.
Alonso isn't involved rn. And cb doesn't seem to micromanage that detail. The only one who was that anal about the baby was quesada.
Alonso was the EiC after Quesada. Cebulski was pretty loud and proud about how Peter and MJ would never get married as long as he's EiC, so it's reasonable to believe he also agrees that baby doesn't exist.
He backtracked last comic con
>not a mandate, but a preference
It's his preference that they remain unmarried.
He's gonna go and beat up Norman to know where she is.
Wouldn't Peter know where she is because he has his sins now?
I assume even with the sins, they are incomplete because it's still missing half of itself. Maybe he'll use that machine Doc Ock was using in the last arc to get all the memories he needs.
Chasm won't be fixed
He will, it's just a matter of when. This isn't our first rodeo
Next run would be the bet.
At worst I can see them sticking to their guns with Chasm but making him an anti-hero or some other bullshit
We're at least going to get chasm/eve vs spidey/jackpot once
I feel like Hallow's Eve is the biggest unknown in this whole Chasm thing. As long as she's getting pushed I doubt they'll do anything to revert Ben back to how he was, otherwise her hurt by the world, completely ignoring Redemption, schtick wouldn't stand up with a normal Ben around
Maybe yeah. But I don't see them not doing that match up. But ben will also revert to scarlet before too long.
Oh they'll definitely see it, I'm just not sure where this new Janine fits into Ben's future.
Ben does not have a future.
If Marvel weren't run by hacks he could
>At worst I can see them sticking to their guns with Chasm but making him an anti-hero or some other bullshit
Ben will most likely be a member of the X-Men Who will no doubt manipulate him to their own ends. And Emma Frost will no doubt be behind the scheme.
Marvel had an article about Peter's kid's and it stated her fate is currently unknown
Norman should make up for his past crimes by having Uncle Ben and Gwen revived.
They're even giving him an X-Men push, so he has
I for one think they should go for the X-Men push, when it comes to Norman.
Best girl for Peter.
Whoops posted the wrong pic, haha
Just what tthe frick do birds have to do with this thread? get off this board moron.
>triggered by best girl Chat
This not a bird thread moron if you love those creatures so much then go outside and play with them.
The birds aren't even the main focus, shitposter.
Do you have put effort into acting this obtuse and moronic, or does it just come naturally to you?
Please have patience he's polish
You fool, snapping at Gwenschizo's obvious bait
I love ottley...but his Peter was just Mark and his mj just eve
Yeah I'll be honest, it was a relief when Ramos came back because at least MJ looked like herself again
Dunno I liked ottleys art. Is just funny. It led to a funny edit th
It was a joke on my half anybody expect you can see that.
>wanting Spider-Man to be into necrophilia
If you've got to get your fetish on, at least do it elsewhere
Peter of House of M looks like Lex Luthor Clone
New thread seeing this one is close to the bump limit.
We don't need constant Spider-Man threads, ESL
Lol after the old thread is dead a new one is made a new Spider-Man thread is inevitable really.
It's not inevitable. You just keep making the same generic "Spider-Man thread" every time, since you're just a troll who wants a general to shitpost in 24/7.
We don't need constant Spider-Man threads, especially when they're only done so (You) can act like an ESL moron all day, every day. Get a life.
I was not the one who made this thread
Now who is the troll around here?
But you still made the completely unnecessary first generic, pointless 'Spider-Man' thread, all because you want a place to shitpost, and you've also made countless others in the past.
I'm not a /misc/gay, but having to deal with this stupidly annoying and boring low-effort shitposter in so many threads makes me think Hitler had at least one good idea
OH N-
I know it's him, of course. Doesn't really matter whether one takes the bait or not. Doesn't even matter if you take the bait by accident or on purpose. This type of shitposter will keep shitposting regardless of whether anons interact with him or not. He just does it because he thinks acting like a moron on the internet is funny, and he's safe in the knowledge that jannies won't ban him. I've seen a very similar shitposter just descend into talking to himself when regular anons stopped going into the threads he infested. Assuming he never gets banned, he'll probably keep doing this until the day he dies.
Nah
Duplicate threads are against the rules at the very least you could have named it "Spider-Man General"