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yeah, Tendi and Tyln seem like they'll have a fun dynamic
>every previous Star Trek series with a Vulcan in the main cast has at least one Pon Farr episode
will Lower Decks keep the tradition going?
Doesn't Pon Farr only affect male vulcans?
There is no way T’pol didn’t have a Pon Farr episode. The writers would never miss that chance.
As of Enterprise, it affects the females too.
Wait wrong link
You'l never believe what happens
Good lord, will we finally get a deconstruction of Pon'farr and a Vulcan who can finally just say "Hey, its time for my seven year super horny time." and then go off on the other vulcans how illogical it is to not keep their shipmates appraised of what can be a serious medical condition?
...Well, I ship it now. Initially I hoped Tyln would take a liking to Boims but now I want the spunky green energy ball and the oddball and impulsive Vulcan dynamic more.
>ship
Can you fricking stop?
>stop shipping
Yes, but keep in mind there are certain things I deserve for following this show for so long, certain things I am owed.
I dropped the show when they turned mariner into a dyke
Can't have a female character without doing that these days, i guess
so you haven't watched past the Orion episode?
>Ah yes haha i totally dated a bunch of guys and girls totally, yes
Mariner was specifically known for lying about what she did, moron.
>Mariner was specifically known for lying
Exaggerating the truth at most and there are no reason to assume she lied there.
>I dropped the show when they turned mariner into a dyke
This is not an objective reason to drop a show.
So, no argument, then.
>"Bi" is animation code for "dyke,
No, it really isn't.
You don't "fatigue" of seeing people in relationships in story. This is just a common occurrence. Just see a bi as something normal.
I recognize your writing style. Get fricked, idiot.
>I recognize your writing style.
And? Doesn't make you any less wrong.
>And sure, it was barely in the show, and it ended, but the writer still thought that it was a good idea
Excpet it was in no way a bad idea. There was no reason to complain.
>And it was an overall net loss for the show, because no one was happy in the end.
It objectively wasn't and most people have actually enjoyed the S3 final and S4.
>You don't "fatigue" of seeing people in relationships in story.
I fatigue of seeing corporate suits trying to inveigle me and mine while also conveniently doubling down on sex appeal for heterosexual men. It's transparently insincere and insulting. It's not the character relationship I object to, it's the patronising attitude.
>I fatigue of seeing corporate suits trying to inveigle me and mine while also conveniently doubling down on sex appeal for heterosexual men.
It's all absolutely in your head, anon. Bi people exist in real life, that's all you need for a justification for them to be featured in a show. there is zero insincerity, it's just a thing.
Are you really going to argue that "smartass brown character is also queer" isn't a modern trope? good luck with that! Even normies are starting to notice.
>Are you really going to argue that "smartass brown character is also queer" isn't a modern trope?
It's a descriptive, anon. There has been tons of different queers and tons of different smartass. It really isn't.
Queer is just a qualifier, not a trope. You might as well complain that the main protag is white and blond.
I'm bisexual. I don't like the manner in which bisexual or gay people are presented to me in TV shows. I don't write a fricking blog about it but I'm not a fan.
>I don't like the manner in which bisexual or gay people are presented to me in TV shows
Maybe, but objectively, in Lower Deck, that couple has been showed as nothing but a normal relationship. If Jennifer had been a dude, there wouldn't have been much of a difference.
If your only grip is that Jen is a girl, then it might be time for you to realise you might have some bad negative conditioning.
>If Jennifer had been a dude, there wouldn't have been much of a difference
It would have been just as bad and random. But you can't really market a show using a random het relationship, now can ye? No one would have cared if it weren't queer, and people would actually be a lot more eager to criticize it.
>No one would have cared if it weren't queer, and people would actually be a lot more eager to criticize it.
this. critics and people would be pointing just how random and forced it was if wasn't a dyke relationship
>It would have been just as bad and random.
There was objectively nothing bad with that. It's just a main-cast dating a side-character. It happens frequently and there is no reason to be upset by it.
>No one would have cared if it weren't queer, and people would actually be a lot more eager to criticize it.
>this
The opposite There would have been far less complains and buthurt about it. Same as Rutherford dating that Trill or Boilmer dating that blond girl.
>The opposite There would have been far less complains and buthurt about it.
Very possible, but ignore the random casual homophobes and christgays or whatever: can you grok why I, a queer, am somewhat put off by cartoon and other Cinemaphile media writers' "representation"? I assure you it's not because I'm ashamed of what I am.
>can you grok why I, a queer, am somewhat put off by cartoon and other Cinemaphile media writers' "representation"?
Because you have been so much conditioned by bigoted complain and actually bad representation that even when one is actually done normally, it still tick you off.
I'm pretty sure it's because it's a load of disingenuous horeshit. Sure as shit it's not the bigoted complaints, those people barely register.
>I'm pretty sure it's because it's a load of disingenuous
IT wasn't disingenuous, anon. Its as meaningful as Keiko getting married to O'Brian in the first episode she is introduced.
Mariner is not just a liar but also stereotypical nepotistic brat with Mommy/Daddy issues. The problem is that they really want you to sympathize with her even though Wesley Crusher was hated for the same reasons and was less of a douchebag than Mariner.
>Bi is code for dyke
It is but for a different reason. Lesbians are old hat now so "Bi"sexuals are the new vogue to pinkwash for but they write them as stereotypical lesbians in the end. Mariner has only dated people to mostly piss off her parents/be spiteful and any form of male companionship she's had is either toxic for her or toxic for the male. Only when she's paired with a female is she truly happy/comfortable which is a stereotypical lesbian trope of coming out/rejecting men for being incompatible/detrimental to their life.
>Real reason to dump the show
Season 1 sucked because Mariner couldn't really take a genuine loss. The story always swoops in at the last moment to say she was in the right or have people kiss her ass, defeating the message and making her a writer's pet. Season 2 has gotten slightly better at it but not by much, especially with the lesbian arc since even Tawni Newsome (Mariner's VA) was irritated that she was stuck with a boring mean girl Lesbo plot when she wanted a DS9 adventure like Boimer & Tendi got. Good example was the forced breakup with her Andorian GF since they wanted to wooby Mariner by making the crew's legitimate criticisms of her backfire on everyone so she can get with Indiana Jane. Everything is by the motions clickbait level writing with Lower Decks and it'll just get worse with every season.
>Mariner is not just a liar
She does not lie more than any other person, anon.
>It is
It isn't.
>Season 1 sucked
It didn't.
>She doesn't lie as much as anyone else
In universe she does. Season 1 with the fake ferengi ep. Season 2 had an entire episode about her lying so much that it got the party in trouble and even ends with her still lying to puff up the group which would lead to more trouble. Even Boimler with doesn't lie as much as Mariner when he has a weasel moment and Tendi & Rutherford barely lie as well compared to Mariner.
>It isnt
I see you're getting desperate and just going "nuh uh" but it really is. Most of the "bi" female characters are coded as lesbians escaping bad male relationships and never looking/going back to them. Korra was like that with Asami after being a messy b***h with Bolin when Asami was dating him, PB & Marcy are like that with their various boyfriends in the interim just being rebounds when they're broken up and often inadequate/inept or straight up stereotypical male abusers to push them back into sapphic embraces. Mariner has stated she's been with men but we really haven't seen that and ironically her jump from the Andorian to the new girl is a similar pattern.
>Season 1 Sucked
For the reasons I stated it did. Season 1 of TNG was lampooned for similar issues with plot and Wesley eps in the later half too. Mariner comes off much more unlikeable than even Wesley in Season 1 because of her flippant attitude.
>In universe she does.
No more than any other.
>I see you're getting desperate and just going "nuh uh"
You didn't present much of an argument in the first place.
>Most of the "bi" female characters are coded as lesbians
They aren't.
>For the reasons I stated
Your "reasons" are rants about other show unrelated to Lower Decks, especially as, in this case, the one who fail to be a good and understanding partner is Jen.
Bro, you're arguing with a bot.
Nope.
is a bot since it can't respond to anything more than the first 10 words of a response plus it reddit spaces green text.
Are you that butthurt you can't come up with actually valid point?
(btw reddit spacing was never a valid complain, making actual paragraph has always been a thing on Cinemaphile)
Still seems like it's still a bot since it ignores the show scenes and only denies posts.
>Reddit Spacing not a valid complain
*Complaint* but nice try bot, why double space when greentext separates unless scripted?
Testing it out since it only responds based on (YOUs). Let's see if we can get another canned response from it without a direct post for the script to copy.
You know normal people also reply to post, right? what kind of broken neurones do you have?
> since it ignores the show scenes
What show scenes? All you have done is general complain with an inability to actually point out anything specific.
>why double space when greentext separates
It's called a paragraph and most here do it like that. wall of text is what is done on Reddit, not here.
The reaction was so ridiculous and some of those morons here still can't get over it.
Shalom.
>israeli people are so dumb that they think featuring lesbians in cartoons will somehow cause a radical demographics shift
Bro, that's almost antisemitic.
>just a dyke
Wow. 'Dyke'?
In 2023?
OK boomer.
With the weird spacing and canned responses, I think we got a bot here.
Paramount is trying to boost engagement after the disaster that was S3. Please understand.
>after the disaster that was S3
Making things up won't help you make a point, anon.
>after the disaster that was S3
S3, especially its final, was very well received, though.
samegay
I am not hearing any actual argument.
>character is a dyke
>gets an aneurysm
god damn, you can find people like this on Cinemaphile too?
Mariner is Bi/pan. Not a lesbian. There is a difference.
"Bi" is animation code for "dyke, but she was already shown flirting or dating a man so we need an excuse"
If anyone would be bi it's Mariner.
She probably gave blowjobs to dogs before her parents caught on
I do find lesbian pandering somewhat tiresome and overdone, but I feel like you're just sour grapes because bis are fricking and you're not.
>lesbian pandering
Lower Decks is probably the first cartoon where it actually backfired.
Bro literally every single "bi" female character is just a dyke. They don't show them actually dating men. The moment a female character is "confirmed bi" they just stay with women, forever.
I think this is less about homophobia but just fatigue. Back when S1 was airing we used to joke about this.
>okay, this is so good, when are they going to make the lead a lesbian like in every other show
And of course they did. Because that's the trope.
It's fatigue for me, certainly, but I haven't dropped a show over it alone like
, any more than a dozen other tired insincere tropes. The day I'm caught b***hing about gays on Cinemaphile, kindly blow my brains out.
Disingenuous anons hang onto semantics of her being bi or pan or whatever, but it just wouldn't be a modern cartoon if the main female lead weren't in lesbians with another female character. And sure, it was barely in the show, and it ended, but the writer still thought that it was a good idea. And it's very telling of the kind of writer McMahan is. The sleazy, rainbow capitalist kind of writer.
And it was an overall net loss for the show, because no one was happy in the end. The small percentage of boomers who hate diversity dropped the show altogether, the shippers were upset, and people who actually looked forward to it were disappointed by the botched execution.
It was a terrible idea, and it never should have made it into the final product. It's something so stupid that it belongs in a fanfic. A bad fanfic.
>and people who actually looked forward to it were disappointed by the botched execution.
It wasn't botched, though.
>It was a terrible idea
Not really. Protagonist dating side character is quite frequent in TV show. There is nothing terrible about that.
I retract my initial statement. This was actually the dumbest relationship in all of Star Trek. Dumber than Worf/Troi; more random and awkward than Seven/Chakotay. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if it was just a one-episode thing and was properly fleshed out, but it just refused to go away and remained in the background like a sorry reminder that the show is now worse.
I'll give you this: if you look at it in isolation, it probably isn't the worst thing ever. Yeah, dating side characters is a quite frequent in TV shows. But we can't look at in isolation. Seven/Chakotay and Worf/Troi were disliked because they went against very popular relationships in the fandom. And in the wider context of the show, and how the audience interacts with it, this was very much an anti-Beckett/Brad thing. People are less willing to accept something like that if it goes directly against what they wanted. So it was not only a random relationship frivolously inserted into the show; it simultaneously was a jab at another character relationship. And that's what makes it bad.
And the fact that we're still discussing its stupidity should be rather telling of how just how destructive it was to the fandom. And this is not exclusive to Cinemaphile. Reddit is still arguing whether the purple twink and the black tomboy should have gotten together pretty much every other day. The enormity of this frick up will haunt the show until the very end.
>just how destructive it was to the fandom
Jesus Christ, did you really just type that? Come back when your balls drop.
Bud, the sheer fact we're even having this conversation right now is automatically proving me right.
>It wouldn't be nearly as bad if it was just a one-episode thing and was properly fleshed out, but it just refused to go away and remained in the background like a sorry reminder that the show is now worse.
It's rather standard for when a main protagonist date a background one, you have no valid reason to dislike it.
>But we can't look at in isolation
We can actually.
>People are less willing to accept something like that if it goes directly against what they wanted
People had no issue with Boilmer dating that blond girl. and anyone a little bit seasoned know that shows rarely go straight for the intended ship.
>And the fact that we're still discussing its stupidity should be rather telling
Telling of how moronic people who complained about this pairing are.
We are only discussing it because people are still butthurt about something that was in the end inconsequential. don't blame a show for its fandom.
>People had no issue with Boilmer dating that blond girl
You're just being silly right now, anon. That took place back in episode five when the show was just getting started. And it was a one-and-done thing. Why would anyone have an issue with it?
>And it was a one-and-done thing. Why would anyone have an issue with it?
My point exactly. there is no reason to be mad about Jen either. It's almost as inconsequential.
Of course, there is. It happened in the finale of a season that was teasing the Brad/Beckett relationship.
>that was teasing the Brad/Beckett relationship.
It was not teasing it at all. And it was way too early for those two to get together.
>And it was way too early for those two to get together
*laughs at you in Vau N'Akat*
You know their relationship is different than the one Mariner and Becket have, right? Also, they are hormonal teenagers, Mariners and Boilmer are adult and trained Starfeet officers.
One day I´ll make one with subtitles, but for now have this.
To quote my favorite bad Star Trek captain, “context is for kings.” If it happened back in Season One, no one would be upset. It would be inconsequential (debatable, it was a season-long arc in an episodic show), like you said. But instead, it happened at the worst possible time, and was earth-shattering instead. Just a colossal failure of writing and imagination.
>inb4 Mariner and Boimler weren't meant to be shipped
Authorial intent is irrelevant; the only thing that matters is how the audience interprets your work. Who cares if it wasn't meant to upset anyone? It did. And for as long as this show is going, it'll never go away. Do you know understand why I called it a net loss?
Hell, it wouldn't be nearly as bad if upsetting the audience was the intention, because that's respectable. Like killing off Joel in TLOU2. It pissed people off, because it was meant to; the story doesn't work without it. But there's nothing worse than upsetting people by accident, which is what happened with Lower Decks. That speaks more to the writers' incompetence than anything else.
>But instead, it happened at the worst possible time
No, it absolutely didn't. It WAS inconsequential and there was no failure, there Just a main cast dating a secondary character.
>inb4 Mariner and Boimler weren't meant to be shipped
Not what I said, but it's clearly still too early for that to happens. That's not where they were at this point in their relationship and Boilmer was still too focused on affirming himself while Mariner still had her personal issues to deal with.
>But there's nothing worse than upsetting people by accident
Aside from a few morons, it upset no one. As there are objectively no reason to be upset. This is nothing but immature "something got in the way of my ship".
>Aside from a few morons, it upset no one
That's where you lose me. You can cope all you want, deflect all you want, but the backlash was so huge that even the lead actress talked about it. You might call all these people morons and keep sucking McMahan's dick, or admit that it was a colossal frick-up. The choice is yours.
Season Four isn't out yet. Are you well in the head, anon?
>but the backlash was so huge
A noisy minority is not huge. The show in the large audience is very successful
https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-lower-decks-paramount-plus
>or admit that it was a colossal frick-up
You have failed to point out anything objectively wrong with it, anon.
>Season Four isn't out yet
My bad, I meant to say Season 3.
Okay, so you'll keep sucking McMahan's dick. Glad we got that out of the way.
Look like you can't stand facts.
Well, you call everyone who disagrees with you a noisy minority. Clearly, you're not concerned with facts at all. And S3 flopped and got outperformed by Prodigy S1B.
>Well, you call everyone who disagrees with you a noisy minority.
No, only people who pulled a tantrum at the end of Season 2.
> Clearly, you're not concerned with facts at all
I just showed you the popularity of the show, anon.
>And S3 flopped and got outperformed by Prodigy S1B.
Except the graph you showed me indicate they performed equally. Guess you just have a nice day in the foot, anon.
>they performed equally
No. S3 kept losing popularity as it went on, and Prodigy kept gaining. LD lost viewership on its finale, while PRO's finale was more popular than LD's opener.
>No. S3 kept losing popularity
Your graph shows otherwise.
>LD lost viewership on its finale
Search data on Google is not directly reflective of viewership, anon. And the data you showed indicate similar interests.
It looks like your argument is "this show performed almost as good as this other show that is actually popular". Not a very good argument if you want to prove that the show preformed poorly.
Seems like a graph of people who are too dumb to subscribe to subreddits or something to talk about the shit they enjoy.
What kind of moron has to google shit every episode? Lol. Who is doing all this googling? I google shit I'm unfamilliar with, not shit I watch every week. That's kind of fricking moronic, isn't it?
It's so successful that Cinemaphile dropped it
.
The only thing keeping discussion ITT going is just how badly it dropped the ball.
1. Cinemaphile is not a reliable indicator of anything.
2. I was actually on Cinemaphile for season 3 and there were threads and pre-threads for every episodes.
>were threads and pre-threads for every episodes
And they all died miserably.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/132999868/#q132999868
>cherry picking
I can do that too
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/133776557/
and doesn't change that Cinemaphile isn't reflective of anything.
>The show went from having an active general in Cinemaphile to barely being able to keep threads alive.
see
You are not making a point. It's the same situation with Prodigy or any actual cartoon show that isn't capeshit.
S3 had 7% of the total engagement S2 had in Cinemaphile. This is hard data, and not some bullshit analytics.
>S3 had 7% of the total engagement S2 had in Cinemaphile.
What part of "Cinemaphile is not reflective of anything." is not reflective of anything do you not understand. It's kind of telling you have to churn a graph from a random website on the internet to attempt to make your point while ignoring actually conglomerated data
https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-lower-decks-paramount-plus
>Cinemaphile is not reflective of anything
Glorious cope. Delicious. A show's engagement rate drops by 93% and you think that's normal.
>Glorious cope.
I am not the one ignoring actual conglomerated data to focus on one random website
https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-lower-decks-paramount-plus
According to your site, LD is more popular than Inside Job, so indeed it's really trustworthy.
>show is more talked about while it's airing than during hiatus
I am truly shocked.
>According to your site, LD is more popular than Inside Job
b***h do you have eyes? The average indicate the exact opposite. Do you have brain problem?
Parrot Analytics indicates a 16x demand for LD, while Inside Job has 8x. Inside Job is four times as popular in Google than LD. Inside Job's subreddit is also four times larger, which checks out.
L + ratio + Parrot analytics sucks
>Parrot Analytics indicates a 16x demand for LD
Fix your brain.
You're literally showing me Google Trends right now.
That's your own screencap.
Yeah, dumbass. You linked Parrot Analytics, which claims LD is more popular than Inside Job. So I posted a Google Trends screencap which proves that their data is bullshit. Do you follow?
>So I posted a Google Trends screencap which proves that their data is bullshit.
Google word search is not indicative of that, though. Especially as Inside Job made the news because of its cancellation.
>made the news because of its cancellation
Yes, you can see it in the chart. Inside Job Part 2 was still 5x times as popular as LD S3.
IJ had a binging season drop while LD had a weekly release.
and again, word search is not indicative of popularity itself.
The show went from having an active general in Cinemaphile to barely being able to keep threads alive.
>The show went from having an active general in Cinemaphile
The show only ever had active threads during the season, anon. And it did as well during season 3.
Same as with Prodigy, by the way.
Why bother lying when there's actual data that proves you wrong?
There's just no way to spin this, no matter how hard you try.
1. No lie. there was popular threads for each episodes
2. Again, /oc/ is not reflective of anything. Here is the closest analytic, anon:
https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-lower-decks-paramount-plus
The show is overwhelmingly popular so, yes, it didn't hurt the show and only a noisy minority complain about S2's final while failing to provide objective reasons for it.
>overwhelmingly popular
Wrong again, by any metric.
How does any of those metrics make me wrong, anon?
This one definitely doesn't:
https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/star-trek-lower-decks-paramount-plus
Cinemaphile hate first and second episode but love the end of the first season, somehow Cinemaphile love the second season until Mariner becomes gay...yep
>it'll never go away
It has already go away. frick, season 4 proved all the complains wrongs.
>Do you know understand why I called it a net loss?
I know it's not that.
>It's something so stupid that it belongs in a fanfic. A bad fanfic.
That describes all of Lower Decks
So is Korra, you dumb frick.
The signs are pointing to her hooking up with Ransom. Cinemaphile will still hate it because he's a chad and they self-insert as the mousy lead instead.
Wow. 'Dyke'?
In 2023?
OK boomer
Fine. “Vile tribad” it is.
Come off it.
Real life lesbians are basically ninjas, and fictional lesbians are hot.
Lower Decks is the microcosm of everything that is wrong with modern adult animation... and so is Velma.
You jest, but the Boimler/Mariner 'ship getting sunk killed most of the enthiusiasm surrounding this show. At least on Cinemaphile.
To be fair season 3 was absolute shit, Mariner is a dyke, no rebel plot, "trust the system" episode, no Vulcan Mariner
This is an awfully labelled X axis.
Are those meant to be days or months?
>Are those meant to be days or months?
it literally says "per episode"
>101
>102
>103
gee, anon
There is something called spacing.
Oh anon... When you say they turned her into a dyke, what you actually mean is that they didn't hook her up with Boimler. And I agree.
b-bros...they're so cute...
they're ok ig
>I dropped the show when they turned mariner into a dyke
Based
they're going to kill each other, aren't they?
either that or double-team Mariner. Possibly both
Transporter Boimler is already dead
Well, "dead"
He got better!
You mean he's in Section 31 so the dumb bastard will turn up like a bad penny?
>Transporter Boimler is already dead
Which one is the transporter clone?
they should have sex with each other
Yeah, I'm pretty optimistic, actually. I hope the therapist bird dies somehow, though.
I'm looking forward to McMahan getting dragged into Justin's dumpster fire
Why would he when no one else has?
Wait you guys actually watch this show? Lol
God that cat is cute
she is stolen from final space
>Are you looking forward to the next season?
Of Prodigy? Yes.
This? No. Not as long as McMahan's in charge.
Yes.
Prodigy had a rough start but ended being surprisingly good.
It did? I couldn't get past the first few episodes. It was just Star Wars slop for me.
It makes Lower Decks look like an embarrassment eight episodes in.
Not really. It's its own thing but in no way does it reflect badly on Lower Decks.
No. It's not its own thing. They're both Star Trek shows, and Prodigy just so happens to a better Star Trek show.
>They're both Star Trek shows
Not the same show, nor the same target audience
> and Prodigy just so happens to a better Star Trek show.
That's opinion, anon. And it definitely doesn't make LD look like an embarrassment.
Around episode 5-6 it improves greatly. The Star wars trick is to hook up normies in eps1-2.
I want to thank Mike McMahan for ruining these threads forever. We will never be able to have a normal discussion about this ever again.
>I want to thank Mike McMahan for ruining these threads forever.
He didn't do that, some morons pulling irrational tantrum for no rational reason did. Season 3's final was great and there was no reason to complain about it.
Wait, why is the result giving me a chair image?
a trill is also a kind of chair
Hey trek gays your mobile game ads on my instagram feed are having a field day in the comments
This is the ad btw
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I want to like it but I hate how everybody is a 21st century butthole despite living in the 24th, nobody acts like they were raised in a post-scarcity society that had moved beyond petty personal squabbles. Everyone's just a sarcastic witty jerk-ass, it gets boring.
>but I hate how everybody is a 21st century butthole
But they aren't. Most of them love Starfleet and what it stand for.
>But they aren't
Every single member of the Ceritos crew is a fricking butthole, from the captain down to the lowest ensign, just an entire ship of pricks. Even the 'friendly' ones are just wearing a thin veneer of civility that breaks as soon as shit hits the fan.
>Every single member of the Ceritos crew is a fricking butthole,
Wrong. You didn't watch the show.
It keep getting better.
I've been thinking about giving this another chance, but I only made it halfway through season 1 and thought it was terrible.
>and thought it was terrible
It stays that way but the main character becomes a lesbian.
Yes
>posters: 44
Guessing people are on better threads, like the one about Shrek raping his father-in-law.
Stop hatewatching this show.
Don't talk about it.
Don't even mention it.
Fading into obscurity is what it deserves.
>Stop hatewatching this show.
The OP is clearly someone who like the show, anon. And I like to actually talk about it.
>he's still here
>bot bumps a thread from Page 10
Yup.
Was out eating, ass.
And I see you are still a moron with no rationality to actually dislike the show. Season 3 showed all the people who complained about S2 final were completely stupid.