I recently got in the space opera genre. I started with The Expanse, Firefly, Battlestar Galactica and The Orville and i loved all of them. After finishing The Orville and reading online that it's basically just Star Trek i started looking for a Star Trek show to watch. I wanted to start with a more modern show because i thought that maybe the old effects and bad quality would turn me off. A friend of mine suggested Enterprise and it certainly didn't dissapoint. I even loved the intro theme song for all the season.
Season 3 of Enterprise has got to be my favorite. I really enjoyed overarching storyline about the Xindi conflict and the standalone episodes that season. Some of the standout standalone episodes for me were: ' Carbon Creek', 'Cogenitor', 'Regeneration' (really loved that one), 'First Flight', 'Extinction', 'Impulse', 'Twilight' (also really loved that one), 'Similitude (and also really loved this one!),', 'E2', 'Observer Effect'
I read online that most of the old Star Trek shows are more episodic, but i like my shows a bit more serialized with some standalone episodes in between. Which show should i watch next? I read good things about Strange New Worlds and kinda want to watch that, so i could watch Discovery Season 1 & 2 and then jump to Strange New Worlds, or watch TNG DS9 and VOY, but that would take way more time than just 4 short seasons of Discovery and Strange New Worlds. What would you guys suggest based on my favorite standalone episodes and season 3 of Enterprise?
>submarine in space
Hard pass.
in space
You prefer eating dicks.
how about a battleship?
Better than a battleship, a whole fleet of ships! Galactica was great, though the ending was ehhhhhhhhh certainly a direction.
You're talking to yourself again, anon.
that's basically what TOS is
Nah, TNG is a cruise ship in space. Or an old British shop from the age of exploration. Enterprise has more crammed spaces and those jumpsuit uniforms that just makes it seem like a sub.
>TNG is a cruise ship in space
TOS - Wagon Train
TAS - Scooby Doo
TNG - Love Boat
DS9 - Babylon 5
VOY - Gilligan's Isle
ENT - Apollo 13
STD - The Expanse
PIC - Mass Effect
LOW - Rick & Morty
PRO - Clone Wars
SNW - Not TOS
TMP - 2001: A Space Odyssey
TOS Movies - TOS
TNG Movies - Aliens
Kelvin Movies - Star Wars
Shit, you typed TOS not TNG. But TOS I'd not rhat different from TNG, only in the 70s. It feels more grandiose than a military submarine crew.
hi, hard retard
>The Expanse
>Firefly
>Battlestar Galactica
>The Orville
>Enterprise
Which of these was your fave?
Not OP but easily The Expanse.
Firefly was great but I think it's because it was cut short. It could've easily gone to shit if it had continued, at least it quit while it was ahead.
I can't stand The Expanse, but it comes up a whole lot like Legend of the Galactic Heroes
If you don't mind, could you recommend the best episode of it
What did you like about this series?
I like the first season especially and how they went to lengths to portray normal life in space, with details like a character pouring whiskey from really far away from the glass or a bird having to flap its wings much fewer times to stay in the air due to the lower gravity.
You can tell that by the later seasons the money was tighter, and it didn't help that the plot was heading into more outlandish sci-fi. Shame.
What EP do you recommend?
It's been a long while since I watched it, I don't recall individual episodes. It's not an episodic show like Trek, so you remember season plots, rather.
The arc from S1E8 to S2E5 is the best part of the series. Alternatively you can consider it two smaller arcs where it goes S1E8-10 and S2E4-5 but without the characterization that happens in the rest of the episodes the big parts don't hit as nicely.
I only liked this guy & his story line, lost interest with the proto nonsense
Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a nice study on humanity in general and the way its forms of government work. It pities autocracy vs democracy but throws you the curve ball of "what if the democracy was really, really corrupt and the autocracy was ruled by a really capable, smart, honest and kind person?". It has a very varied cast of interesting characters who are full fledged and all have their own views, and the main draw for me is to follow their lives. The sci-fi backdrop is almost accesory, it could've been fantasy or alternate history Earth.
Expanse is great because it actually seems like a plausible future in the next century or two if humans actually went out into the solar system. It certainly wouldn't be like Star Trek. And Expanse deals with the actual effects on the human body and mind of long term life in deep space and artificial habitats. And then of course it has the most interesting and fresh alien plot that's far more than the usual 'colored humans with weird foreheads'. And the series delves into how encountering those aliens, and studying their ancient but way more advanced technology would seriously change humanity into something completely unrecognizable. And asking the question, should humans actually utilize that tech or is it too dangerous? All making for a good scifi show. It has some warts, annoying characters and boring parts, but over all very good and has an actual ending with the last three books.
It's far from realistic, it's more a modern thrill writers take on how the future will be.
Almost all of it is absolute balderdash. Worst yet it encourages complacency and fatalism in regards to our current social and economic system.
But worst of all is just how boring and pessimistic it is. It's just another "SPACE BATTLE 40K" series with modern sensibilities. Great. More bloodshed. More horror.
How would things not turn out that way? There are plenty of places on Earth right now exactly like that. And it has been that way countless times throughout history. The people who first go out on frontiers like that suffer immense hardship, and the people and governments who come after are likely going to step on them. Living in artificial spinning space stations for decades while having children who have never lived on Earth is certainly going to have a huge impact on those humnas physically and mentally. I can see all of that being the real future. And if humans discovered an alien wormhole system that led to habitable planets, it would definitely be an immediate and bloody race to get there first.
1. First and foremost we will never encounter anything like a "wormhole", ever. It is literally impossible on all levels for such a thing to ever exist.
2. Secondly, we will not be transporting between locations in the solar system like this is just easy transit between European countries. We'll be able to easily communicate quite quickly, but transportation is going to be limited on the level of "Space Odyssey"
3. Government and economy are both going to go through huge revolutions, as they are already have. The current contender for best system is Social Democracy, but something better may come along.
I could go on, but these are the major items that defeat the entire purpose of this supposed "hard" scifi series that tries to be "more realistic than warp drive". Warp drive btw is completely impossible as well, ya. But nowhere near as impossible as a "wormhole".
Most dunning kruger post I've read today
Oh ya? Explain it man, explain just how artificial gravity will work in the ships in The Expanse
EXPLAIN to me how a wormhole will work.
Do it. explain any of this garbage. You can't so you won't respond. Because you're a fucking retard.
I'll just eviscerate your first point: wormholes are predicted to be possible by general relativity alone. That alone makes your post, and you, retarded as fuck. You will reply with some mental gymnastics cope but it's too late. You dug yourself a grave and you're in it, bitch!
You did nothing but a hand wave. Post whatever it is your talking about or explain it.
>Oh ya? Explain it man, explain just how artificial gravity will work in the ships in The Expanse
Not that anon but they only have "gravity" when they're accelerating, the ships are laid out like skyscrapers instead of submarines. The moment the engines cut out it's zero G for everyone. This is explained in the books and the show but it clearly went over your head.
I'm talking about when they're still, which they try to pass off as inaccurately portrayed "centrifugal gravity".
As for when they're moving, that is also not even remotely how acceleration gravity would work. Especially given the completely nonsensical drive's movement.
Hell they cant even get the gravity right on certain moons. So I don't really expect much from these people.
I would have to say The Expanse but i might be biased because that's the first one i watched. After that i think Firefly and The Orville would be tied.
same question goes out to you
The Expanse and Legend of the Galactic heroes mystify me a bit
The first season is kinda hard to get into, lots of worldbuilding and getting to know the characters. But when it clicks and you start caring about the characters it really takes off.
I really liked it because it feels like a semi-realistic take on space travel and future colonization about our solar system and the political issues it would bring along. The fact that the belters have a hard time dealing with gravity, just like the martians have a hard time dealing with earth gravity when they're on earth are really cool takes that make the world feel real and lived in. In my opinion it really felt like i was watching the future of humanity. I've always been obsessed with space travel since a child so this really was a show for me. It's kinda like the good days of Game of Thrones but in space, but that's just my opinion
I realized this was bait after the first paragraph
The only bait-y element of the whole post is saying that he liked the theme song, but I really like it too, so I could see that being an honest comment.
meds
>meds
Hey man, what else do you call something like The Expanse? I mean really
Haven't seen it, but I assume there is a mixed race couple and or themes that conflict with republican values.
No, the issue is the pessimism
You do realize I'm championing Star Trek right? A deeply left wing show with lots of race mixing and social democracy?
Now you're the one making assumptions
No assumptions needed when you use the word "demoralization". Worst buzzword in a while.
It's 100% a fact and true, it's what crony capitalism uses to subject the masses, through Hollywood and other media.
It needs to be called out for what it is, and until it is called out, it just perpetuates. The Actors and Writers strike is FINALLY one very positive step closer to a better industry and a great example for others.
Now I'm not saying this is done on purpose in a conspiratorial way, the demoralization is just the biproduct and result of a horrible system and a reflection of it.
Yeah whatever. I don't feel like arguing about this.
Then don't respond.
Lame response. I felt like calling out something I found dumb, I just don't feel like spending hours trading posts that will change neither mind.
Literally all I'm doing is speaking my mind, if you want to do the same, then do it.
I already did.
>not wasting an hour+ of my time is being a brainlet
wat
don't @ me
>I already did.
Alright, sounds good
>don't want to argue but stay in the thread and reply to easy comments
Sounds like you're just a brainlet.
Mixed race couple? In space??
What crazy talk, man, imagine if Kirk had made out with Uhura in TOS times, that'd be really out there, wouldn't it?
shatner was forced to kiss her at phaserpoint
Shatner pushed for it, dumbass. The network wanted to obscure it and he deliberately botched any take where the kiss wasn't prominent on screen.
>dumbass
He was joking. You sound highly unpleasant
>The only bait-y element of the whole post is saying that he liked the theme song
the theme song is kind of interesting because it seems completely wrong for star trek, having lyrics and sounding like country music and the opening credits with shots of the real space program the whole thing put me off watching Enterprise for years. But in retrospect it seems like they were trying to signal that this star trek would be for people who liked the original show and wanted something retro and not woke. The last star trek made for boomers. kids can watch feminized fag trek.
They were trying to capture The Right Stuff / early NASA spaceflight spirit while also "doing something different" and it kind of backfired in a lot of ways. Plus, I really believe Berman and Braga were doing a lot of coke back then.
A lot of it was just bad timing, too. Show premiered 2 weeks after 9/11 and George W. Bush's approval ratings didn't last very long once the War on Terror started. Like or not, ENT inadvertently cast two GWB clones while trying to capture NASA test pilot hotshot vibe.
meds
>I really believe Berman and Braga were doing a lot of coke back then
It's how Blalock got hired.
SPACE NAZIS
>saying that he liked the theme song, but I really like it too, so I could see that being an honest comment.
its great. marks the end of star trek. too bad they didnt make another star trek show after that
easily the best Star Trek
Space: Above and beyond
Come home white man.
stargate film fucking rocked
i enjoyed the series for a few seasons
It doesn't matter what you watch next, but so far you've managed to skirt around the best ones TNG and DS9.
They are pretty much "Star Trek" at its core, so if you're going to watch the genre at all they're unavoidable.
He seems like a demoralization propaganda imbibed zoomer, I doubt he'll get those
That's not very nice sir
True
If you liked Enterprise, Orville, and Firefly then I suppose I'm completely wrong, to be honest
So you would say watch TNG DS9 VOY first? I'm kinda leaning towards Discovery Season 1 & 2 and Strange New Worlds.
I'd say you'd like DS9 most, but you should start with TNG, then move to DS9, then VOY.
Sprinkle in TOS episodes for variety whenever you feel like it.
Skip all the new (streaming) shows. They all suck IMO. Discovery has an alright season 1, then nosedives.
If you want the best long time story setup, go for the first four seasons of babylon 5. the effects are dated, there is no way arguing about that. But the story arc is very good (needs a while to get going) and the character development is S-tier. It is often compared to deep space 9 and there are overlaps, but the feeling of the shows isnt similar. DS9 is the best startrek show, because it has longer arcs. but it has quite some bad episodes as well. But they are not as bad the first time you see them 😀
Farscape
Raised by Wolves
Foundation
Dark Matter
Babylon 5
Battlestar Galactica
Killjoys
Stargate
Lexx
All vary wildly in tone and quality, I've seen episodes of most of them.
There are decent condensed viewing lists of TNG/DS9. Probably watch the new Trek first because it's not going to colored by how tonally off it is to old Trek. You might make it through a couple seasons of Discovery, you might not be bothered by the "Marvel"ness of SNW
>they're shit imo
oh great the Paramount sicko is here
How does it feel to be going out of business because Russia isn't capable of laundering money through your studio, allegedly?
not wasting your time arguing with retarded sodomites is a good thing
Deep Space 9
I mean there's not really any other answer here
ent was the death of trek.. nutrek is just the rotting corpse
when it first started i thought this is a good opportunity to do a pioneer astronaut thing, but they ended up just doing unused voyager scrips and stupid shit like asksually archer met the borg first archer met the feringi first etc. it was trash
I disagree. Yeah there was some fanservice, but on the whole I thought the atmosphere and vibe conveyed a really nice bridge from NASA to the Trek universe.
>MUH DADDY INVENTED THAT WARP 5 ENGINE!
that flashback episode where he's reminiscing about his dead friend is kino
>MUH DADDY INVENTED THAT WARP 5 ENGINE!
I thought that was an excellent plot device to introduce his racism towards the volcans and how he eventually was able to get past his racism and just prove the Vulcans wrong on many levels
It took NuTrek to teach just how good ENT is, now I love it
Such a tragedy that ENT was cancelled before it could finish its run. The Romulan war would have been kino.
u really think that was coming?
whyd they waste time on the stupid temporal cold war or xindi war to begin with if thats what they had in mind..
It was coming, season 4 was building to it. The new showrunner had that as his priority storyline.
Honestly. If they had done that instead of Discovery the cast would have still been young enough.
>The Romulan war would have been kino.
Why couldn't all the budget for Nutrek have been scrapped and used for 3 last seasons of Enterprise, such a waste
That ending though
it was all a drea.. holonovel ran by Riker
Holonovel doesn't mean it's fake, tho. Maybe it was just a historical recreation based on the logs.
This is what everyone assumed until NuTrek came along and shills began to use the ENT ending as a means of attacking its legitimacy
its watchable compared to that shit, thats whut i give it..
Strange New Worlds and Discovery aren't Star Trek and they are awful. The articles you read are astroturf. Enterprise was the last Star Trek show ands it's great, every Star Trek show is great. Based on what you posted, I would try just watching Star Trek in production order and if you don't like TOS/TAS just skip to the TOS movies then move on to TNG/DS9/VOY, in that order.
Deep Space 9 for sure. It's by far the best trek out there and the most serialized. Starts off weak though, so don't give up in the first season (you can skip most of s1 if you really need to). DS9 > TNG > Voyager in terms of quality. I would watch all of them before any nutrek.
The ONLY nutrek worth watching is Strange New Worlds. Discovery, Picard, anything else released after Enterprise are absolute TRASH. I cannot emphasize enough how much you should NOT watch any nutrek besides Strange New Worlds. SNW is a huge, hugeoutlier.
But isn't Strange New Worlds a spinoff from Discovery? Shouldn't i watch Season 1 and 2 before the timejump so i can fully understand Strange New Worlds?
>Insisting upon NuTrek
Just inject yourself with AIDS now and get it over with
Not really
>the most serialized
Y'know, I was about to dispute this, then I realized Discovery is just serialized within each season. DS9 serializes the WHOLE series, and very well.
>read online that most of the old Star Trek shows are more episodic, but i like my shows a bit more serialized with some standalone episodes in between. Which show should i watch next?
You sound like you want Deep Space 9. It starts out entirely episodic but by season 3 season-long plot lines start emerging. The ending arc of the show is 10 parts long. Just be warned, season 1 is weak besides Emissary and a handful of other episodes, no one's really comfortable in their roles yet. Season 2 is a lot stronger and after season 3 it's a blast all the way through.
You also get Dukat, who is a legend.
the thing is while DS9 had arcs it also took time to tell isolated war stories like where nog loses his leg or isolated trek not even war stories like when the defiant crashed 200 years ago and meets there descendants...
Nutrek is just this stupid blend together of stories like 1 big movie like its trying to be GoT but the story isnt even that good
>nog loses his leg
My personal favorite ep of the show. Kinotastic af.
it was kino, but i prefer even the recovery video where nog lives in the holosuite with vic
Oh that's actually the ep I was talking about, haha. The one where he actually loses the leg is good, but the episode where he lives with Vic is 10/10 apex kino.
I liked the episode where he loses his leg but Vic as a character in general I didn't care for, so the episode of his recovery loses a bit for it. Nog's still great.
only plebs can dislike vic fontaine
>It's plebs! Plebs!
Yes, Mr Sherman; everyone is a pleb.
True. I like Vic a lot, personally. His interactions with Nog were great. Man I could go on and on about that episode. RIP Aaron Eisenberg.
Follow up post: it might be worth watching some TNG first. O'brien started as a somewhat frequent TNG character (he's even in the very first episode). Worf, a TNG regular character, also joins the DS9 cast eventually. And DS9 makes frequent reference to TNG events, like the Best of Both Worlds arc, as well as features characters introduced on TNG, like Klingon chancellor Gowron.
TNG's first two seasons have a lot of weak episodes (but also a few great episodes like The Measure of a Man and Q Who), but at least give season 3 and 4 a watch to get into the setting.
Check out Deep Space Nine. It's fairly episodic, especially early on, but it gets heavily serialized from season 4 onward.
Also Strange New Worlds is putrid ass so don't fall for the shill troll trying to trick you into watching its demonic show.
Most of the replies are suggesting i would enjoy DS9 the most based on my preferences. But i've heard that a few characters from DS9 appear on TNG first, my autism couldn't handle not watching TNG before DS9. So i'm gonna start with TNG and watch DS9 afterwards. Thanks for the suggestions!
Based and correct. TNG introduces that era of Trek anyway, it's almost necessary viewing before either DS9 or VOY.
If you wanna watch Strange New Worlds, just completely skip Discovery.
>Enterprise is very underrated
Patrician detected
Hey OP, there are also some pretty good Trek books out there. After you finish DS9, you should check out some of the books that continue the story, and eventually lead into an awesome story called Star Trek: Destiny.
ENT is the most cosy one for sure
your age is showing youngling..
there was no more comfy possible than prime tng
If someone had told me when I watched season 1 of DS9 that one of the best episodes in the whole series would be about Nog and a hologram big band singer I would have laughed in their face.
that wasnt first season it was 6th
the best ds9 ep in s1 was duet
I started getting so bored slogging through S1 of DS9 that I began to fall asleep during episodes. I fell asleep during Duet and then woke up for le plot twist.
Quit watching DS9 after that.
>I fell asleep during Duet
Wtf? Pleb alert.
It's a slow burn. After the rest of S1 that's just how it was. I didn't just skip to the meme episode like you did.
>It's a slow burn.
this is the problem with autism..
I dunno what to tell you, anon. I went in blind and watched it in order and the entire rest of S1 is televised Ambien so it was bound to start happening.
every trek series at that era were shit in the first 2 seasons
By today's standards, definitely.
i would say the opposite
even TNG s1 awkwardness is way more enjoyable with nutrek goggles
After just seeing some SNW and STD clips, season 1 of TNG actually looks good. For all the goofy dialogue, heavy-handed plots, Wesley, and bad acting, season 1 has soul, something nu Trek utterly lacks. Compared to season 3? It's garbage. But compared to anything else airing in the current year...
Yeah, the sincerity is going to trump nuTrek before any other comparison. It wins by default.
>Compared to season 3? It's garbage.
I think you have to judge it in it's context. It's 80's television and 80's sci-fi television was so incredibly bad. Even lame early episodes of TNG have a quality that is beyond the potted plants and cheap sets.
TOS is even worse in that people dont' even give it a chance. They just lump it in with 50's pulp sci-fi and martian movies. There is actually a Theramin sound effect in the SNW theme song at the end and the writers made Pike a fan of pulp sci-fi because the writers know that new Trek viewers are primed to make that association even though TOS isn't even that genre of sci-fi and was incredibly high production for it's time.
This
The shittiest episode of TNG is better than the best of NuTrek
Voyager has some shitty episodes but also has some great ones and the ones that are great are really fucking good. It especially gets good after 7 of 9 joins up.
Eh, I think it suffered a bit when it became The Seven of Nine show. Look, I want to fuck Jeri Ryan as much as the next man, but taking so much of the spotlight from every other character wasn't a good decision, imo.
I'm getting much more out of VOY during my rewatch because I am skipping the episodes I remember being lukewarm about. But man, when VOY is good it is crackling and incredibly comfy
VOY had a great aesthetic. It's problem was the writers not always being up to snuff.
I am appreciating the Tom/B'Elanna episodes a lot more this time, particularly B'Elanna's performance. She really sells the temperamental "I fucking HATE being a Klingon" inner struggle that the character goes through. I wish they'd developed Seven and Chakotay's relationship a bit more before the end
Nah Chakotay was garbage and his relationship with Seven was super forced just to give him something to do
>Chakotay was garbage
Disagree but you do you
>his relationship with Seven was super forced just to give him something to do
I agree that they needed something for him to do since they all but abandoned the Maquis storylines. But Seven's attraction to him made sense to me, he was her superior officer, easy on the eyes and I think his Native American spirituality and ex-terrorist passions appealed to her as a way of getting in touch with her own humanity
A-koo-chee-moya!
ENT was utter shit. It was Voyager without the decent cast. And Voyager already had more bad episodes than good ones.
Ah yes, enterprise. Where archer almost went to war, because his dog pissed on someone sacred tree, and then got sick. And they keep telling us, how he's a trained diplomat.
Scott Bacula is a terrible actor. He got lucky with Quantum Leap because the entire premise relies on him being a befuddled, confused retarded fish-out-of-water. It was a perfect role for him. The fact that Berman & Braga thought he would make a good captain where his traits have to be the opposite most of the time just shows how clueless they were at the time. They should have cast another relative unknown.
>It's how Blalock got hired.
I believe it. B&B had an eye for bridge bunnies, especially during VOY, but this woman is a rather odd choice. It's like they cast the entire show over email just using headshots looking for 6's and 7's. I dunno why so many other shows could keep a cast of very attractive women but Star Trek had a problem with it. It was always the extras and guest stars who were hot. The regs were frumps or washed-up for the most part unless they were dating Braga.
>Scott Bacula is a terrible actor
Nah, he's a character actor
>Bacula
You didn't watch Quantum Leap
Sure I did. I just suck at spelling his name.
I love how Mayweather was just... there, most of the time, never really doing anything. I guess every Star Trek needs the bridge looser.
They hinted at a Kim/Paris friendship arc with Mayweather/Tucker but never fell through with it
Super disappointing
Idk if I'd say that because Tom and Harry were shown chilling together many times, they seemed like bros
That's what I'm saying
Yeah I see that now I misread your post, derp
I miss Enterprise. The show was kino and had the best opening theme.
today's social media trannys would declare trip a misogynist, racist white boy who would have to spend all his time apologizing for existing. Enterprise was the end of Star Trek.
I watched some eps of Leap, it was alright. Really liked Bakula and his charecter.
Babylon 5. Theres a HD remaster now
>he was joking
Poe's law is in full effect these days. If that was the case, I do apologise.
Star Trek Enterprise is a masterpice compared to Discovery, Lower Decks and New Words
yes
all the original Trek shows are, because they have SOUL
and ENT is the comfiest of them all..