Tautological.
There's documentary footage of Lucas from the early 80s re: ESB where he explains editing is his favorite part of filmmaking because that's where you have real control over the story and final product.
No. He didn't design the ships at all.
Vader, droids, Chewie, sure, but all the other stuff, there was a whole team of people doing concept art like Je Johnston do did the final Milenium Falcon for example.
McQuarrie came at the end, took all that and did a bunch of fancy paintings for Lucas to show the suits at Fox.
It was still Lucas' vision.
It seems to me like a lot of people don't really understand how a leader can be influential. It's clear even for ESB and ROTJ that Lucas had substantial creative influence in the producer role.
>Lucas isn't solely responsible for everything.
No but he has ultimate responsibility for the final result.
John Williams has a distinctive style of course you can see across many different movies with different directors and Lucas famously gave Williams a lot of leeway, especially for later films. But for the original Star Wars Lucas definitely had music in mind that he wanted and Williams worked from there.
but the director still has final say and thus overwhelming influence on the designs
>here's a drawing I made of a busy coruscant Mr Lucas >that's a cool illustration but don't forget to include that 60s space diner I was telling you about
>here's an elegant attractive female costume for our casino planet sequence Mr Johnson >that's a cool illustration but I'm picturing the 3/10 Asian girl who deigned to hang out with me in high school
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This is why I hate people
Everything is shit, but it's usually because people suck ass
It is a fact the original cut for Star Wars was long, meandering, had useless filler scenes and those scenes were put together in a way where they took interest away from eachother.
For example in the opening it had Luke doing boring farmer shit on the surfce of the planet and looking up at fighting goin on in the skyes intercut with all the cool action.
The cut that had all the superfluos bullshit was done by an actual editor who presented it as a professional end result. If it was just a studio B-movie it would have been left as it is, to save money. Instead it was Lucas' indie B-movie so he had it recut.
>Of all the deleted scenes, Luke witnessing the battle, going to Tosche Station & talking with Biggs should have stayed in.
Jesus fricking christ what a shit take. The beginning of the movie done near 100% from the C3PO and R2D2's perspectives is kino as hell, and a based homage to Seven Samurai. Luke's bullshit scenes would have trunkated the pacing so fricking much. It flows like water in the final cut.
Holy frick imagine trying to have a big brained opinion regurgitating things you've heard other people say when you can't even get the quote right. C3P0 and R2D2's scenes (and a lot of A New Hope) were based off the thieves in The Hidden Fortress, a movie you've never even bothered to watch you massive fricking brainlet.
I don't agree with anon's take but keeping it in there would put more weight in the last battle and gives some world building about the Empire, something that in my opinion is sorely lacking in the final cut
It has been well fricking documented. Star Wars paved the way for blockbusters it's a landmark film in the history of the medium. The creation process has been documented down to the smallest details both by actual film historians and die hard fans.
>dubbababaoutism
Goodfellas was saved in editing and nobody uses that as an example of Marty being a shit filmmaker. Star Wars autists don’t know anything about cinema, they just grasp at straws trying to shit on Lucas for LE RAPING THEIR CHILDHOOD
>what is occam's razor
the most plausible explanation is that Lucas is a fine editor and the problem with prequels is bad writing and mediocre direction.
I've seen "re-edits" of the prequels that really don't help all that much, and mostly do things like cut 90% of The Phantom Menace entirely. (Yes that definitely helps the pacing of the trilogy but also points to the real problem being concept and writing, not editing)
The 2 minute recap of the prequels at the start of Obi-Wan Kenobi content was a better and more cohesive presentation of the events than the 3 movies it's based on.
>"Star Wars was saved in editing”
All good movies are "saved in editing" because bad editing can affect the quality of an otherwise good movie, that's why editors are in the opening credits
Stoklasa and Bauman are genuine idiots who have no idea what makes a movie good, which is especially pathetic since they went to school for it and style themselves as being knowledgeable about film making when all they can do is remember what other people have said with no idea how interpret it. They're perfect examples of book smart idiots, dummies who can only repeat the words of intelligent people without absorbing meaning or context.
No shit Star Wars was saved by the editing. It was also saved by the sound design, the acting, the music, the lighting, the special effects, the costume design, the set coordinator, the script, etc etc etc. Yes any movie looks like it's going to be shit if all you see is the dailies without context or any production value added to them. Saying Star Wars was saved by the editing is one of the most phenomenally moronic takes one can have about the franchise. Did they think they were never going to edit the movie and just have a 7 hour film with raw footage? It's as dumb as saying Marvel was saved by the CGI.
>Stoklasa and Bauman are genuine idiots who have no idea what makes a movie good
I think the real problem is that they are somewhat lazy at this point. They watch a movie and take some notes then just talk extemporaneously for an hour or so and are almost wholly dependent on the other guy to contradict any stupid shit they might say, and occasionally the editor.
It's the wetbrain
Star Wars wouldn't have been the film it is without the editors and Ralph McQuarrie.
Yeah no shit. No film would be what it is without the editors.
I just mean shitty editors, which were common back in the day.
Tautological.
There's documentary footage of Lucas from the early 80s re: ESB where he explains editing is his favorite part of filmmaking because that's where you have real control over the story and final product.
>people actually think McQuarrie designed every aspect of the OT
Yes, the aesthetic of Star Wars wouldn't have existed without him.
No. He didn't design the ships at all.
Vader, droids, Chewie, sure, but all the other stuff, there was a whole team of people doing concept art like Je Johnston do did the final Milenium Falcon for example.
McQuarrie came at the end, took all that and did a bunch of fancy paintings for Lucas to show the suits at Fox.
It was still Lucas' vision.
It seems to me like a lot of people don't really understand how a leader can be influential. It's clear even for ESB and ROTJ that Lucas had substantial creative influence in the producer role.
Films are a collaborative project, Lucas isn't solely responsible for everything.
>Lucas isn't solely responsible for everything.
No but he has ultimate responsibility for the final result.
John Williams has a distinctive style of course you can see across many different movies with different directors and Lucas famously gave Williams a lot of leeway, especially for later films. But for the original Star Wars Lucas definitely had music in mind that he wanted and Williams worked from there.
but the director still has final say and thus overwhelming influence on the designs
>here's a drawing I made of a busy coruscant Mr Lucas
>that's a cool illustration but don't forget to include that 60s space diner I was telling you about
>here's an elegant attractive female costume for our casino planet sequence Mr Johnson
>that's a cool illustration but I'm picturing the 3/10 Asian girl who deigned to hang out with me in high school
This is why I hate people
Everything is shit, but it's usually because people suck ass
Ralph McQuarrie designed every aspect of the sequel trilogy
>Star Wars wouldn't have been the film it is without an essencial part of the filmmaking process
Whoa. I kneel.
I know people trot out the "every movie is saved in editing" thing, but hahnestlee we've seen what happens when George gets final cut.
People change in 20 years.
Lucas' cut wasn't just bad, but apparently genuinely laughable. You can see some of that shining through in the prequels.
It wasn't Lucas's cut to begin with. It John Jympson's. Lucas saw it, didn't like it, fired the guy and hired his wife and two more people.
Marcia also mostly worked on the trench run, she didn't redo the whole movie behind Lucas' back as people act these days.
Lucas himself admitted it, moron. This is an rlm board
When not even PTA or Scorsese edit their own films you know sometimes it's better to delegate for a reason.
It is a fact the original cut for Star Wars was long, meandering, had useless filler scenes and those scenes were put together in a way where they took interest away from eachother.
For example in the opening it had Luke doing boring farmer shit on the surfce of the planet and looking up at fighting goin on in the skyes intercut with all the cool action.
>editing involves cutting meandering useless filler scenes that
Golly gee imagine that.
Where did all you morons come from?
The cut that had all the superfluos bullshit was done by an actual editor who presented it as a professional end result. If it was just a studio B-movie it would have been left as it is, to save money. Instead it was Lucas' indie B-movie so he had it recut.
I’d rather watch that
I have to disagree.
Of all the deleted scenes, Luke witnessing the battle, going to Tosche Station & talking with Biggs should have stayed in.
>Of all the deleted scenes, Luke witnessing the battle, going to Tosche Station & talking with Biggs should have stayed in.
Jesus fricking christ what a shit take. The beginning of the movie done near 100% from the C3PO and R2D2's perspectives is kino as hell, and a based homage to Seven Samurai. Luke's bullshit scenes would have trunkated the pacing so fricking much. It flows like water in the final cut.
>a based homage to Seven Samurai
Holy frick imagine trying to have a big brained opinion regurgitating things you've heard other people say when you can't even get the quote right. C3P0 and R2D2's scenes (and a lot of A New Hope) were based off the thieves in The Hidden Fortress, a movie you've never even bothered to watch you massive fricking brainlet.
This is easy to say in retrospect when you're a fan watching at home. I always re-watch extended cuts of LOTR also.
What would that add to the movie? You already are able to figure out Luke is farm kid who yearns for adventure from what was in the final cut.
I don't agree with anon's take but keeping it in there would put more weight in the last battle and gives some world building about the Empire, something that in my opinion is sorely lacking in the final cut
>It is a fact the original cut for Star Wars was long, meandering
How do you know?
It has been well fricking documented. Star Wars paved the way for blockbusters it's a landmark film in the history of the medium. The creation process has been documented down to the smallest details both by actual film historians and die hard fans.
Goodfellas was saved in editing but people still suck Marty’s wiener
>whataboutism
Lucas is an awful editor. That's why the prequels were so boring.
>dubbababaoutism
Goodfellas was saved in editing and nobody uses that as an example of Marty being a shit filmmaker. Star Wars autists don’t know anything about cinema, they just grasp at straws trying to shit on Lucas for LE RAPING THEIR CHILDHOOD
Lucas wasn't the editor on the prequels
>what is occam's razor
the most plausible explanation is that Lucas is a fine editor and the problem with prequels is bad writing and mediocre direction.
I've seen "re-edits" of the prequels that really don't help all that much, and mostly do things like cut 90% of The Phantom Menace entirely. (Yes that definitely helps the pacing of the trilogy but also points to the real problem being concept and writing, not editing)
The 2 minute recap of the prequels at the start of Obi-Wan Kenobi content was a better and more cohesive presentation of the events than the 3 movies it's based on.
to end up with a perfect movie after editing you need to have the material there before editing.
>durr durr
Goodfellas was saved in editing and nobody gives Scorsese less credit for directing it because of that fact.
Not necessarily. Reshoots are a thing.
They were. That's why the prequels sucked. Lucas had too much control.
Who's right Mike or Marcia Lucas?
he wasn't - but now he is.
>"Star Wars was saved in editing”
All good movies are "saved in editing" because bad editing can affect the quality of an otherwise good movie, that's why editors are in the opening credits
It was saved because it was initially cut in a boring way you dumb zoomer. Someone else made it better.
Luke kissed his sister because of the notgayz
Release the Lucas cut
Yes. The "original cut was dull" is an urban legend
Stoklasa and Bauman are genuine idiots who have no idea what makes a movie good, which is especially pathetic since they went to school for it and style themselves as being knowledgeable about film making when all they can do is remember what other people have said with no idea how interpret it. They're perfect examples of book smart idiots, dummies who can only repeat the words of intelligent people without absorbing meaning or context.
No shit Star Wars was saved by the editing. It was also saved by the sound design, the acting, the music, the lighting, the special effects, the costume design, the set coordinator, the script, etc etc etc. Yes any movie looks like it's going to be shit if all you see is the dailies without context or any production value added to them. Saying Star Wars was saved by the editing is one of the most phenomenally moronic takes one can have about the franchise. Did they think they were never going to edit the movie and just have a 7 hour film with raw footage? It's as dumb as saying Marvel was saved by the CGI.
>Stoklasa and Bauman are genuine idiots who have no idea what makes a movie good
I think the real problem is that they are somewhat lazy at this point. They watch a movie and take some notes then just talk extemporaneously for an hour or so and are almost wholly dependent on the other guy to contradict any stupid shit they might say, and occasionally the editor.
The first movie really was saved in editing. Everyone on set thought it was a shitshow and was going to be horrible