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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Fix your sound mixing and I will turn off subtitles.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Basically this
      >5.1
      >stick all your dialogue in a center channel 99% of people don't have
      >wtf why are people turning on subtitles or dynamic range compression you're ruining our dogshit artistic vision
      >stooooooooop there's supposed to be 40 decibels of dynamic range between whisper quiet dialog and Nolan wub wub effects
      >muh vision

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I work in audio, and it's kind of amazing how some people are so neck deep into things, that they don't realize the majority of people are still watching things on a basic ass TV with shitty stereo speakers.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >implying everyone has a 5.1 or 7.1 system

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah that's the point he's making. Audio engineers mix everything for home theaters but most people have stereo setups, the result is that most people just turn the volume down and enable subtitles while audiophiles whine about it

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Audio engineers mix everything for home theaters
            really? because i often read on the bluray.com forums that modern mixes are so terrible because they cater to the netflix+soundbar crowd

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They edit them for cinemas. They make it so it sounds as good as possible in the most perfect setting.

            Wouldn't be smart to make it so it works with home televisions because then it'll sound shoddy in cinemas which is where it matters most when people are actually paying for it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I got a surround sound system and all my kino sound amazing now.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Also most people haven't got a TV that has the necessary audio capability. So they either gotta get a separate sound system or fork out for a premium TV.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. Modern shows have terrible soundmixing. When I watch older shows I don’t need captions, but I do for newer shows.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It's what this guy is talking about.

        Basically this
        >5.1
        >stick all your dialogue in a center channel 99% of people don't have
        >wtf why are people turning on subtitles or dynamic range compression you're ruining our dogshit artistic vision
        >stooooooooop there's supposed to be 40 decibels of dynamic range between whisper quiet dialog and Nolan wub wub effects
        >muh vision

        If you have five speakers and a subwoofer just lying around, it probably sounds great! Oh? But you don't though? Tough titty, lmao.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >If you have five speakers and a subwoofer just lying around
          I actually did lmao. My parents gave me speakers from my grand dad minus a subwoofer but they can hit low frequencies pretty well anyway. Made in the 70s like two decades before I was born. They sound great paired with the budget av reciever I slapped them on. Way better than the garbage sound bar I was using before had I known how nice a real surround setup was I would have gone looking for cheap used/old speaker a long time ago.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Agreed

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I cannot tell you how many newer shows or movies have sound effects and music that completely drown out the dialogue. It's so annoying

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        and streaming movies often absolutely frick up the volume levels. the dialogue is too quiet and the action is too loud.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You just repackaged his post and said it back at him. Is this a reddit habit? Curious

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like something a homosexual would say. You aren't a homosexual are you?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      i'm glad it's not just me that is noticing this
      over half of all new movies 2010-now that i watch are either outside sounds drowning out the dialogue or the dialogue being a muffled mess from start to finish

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just turn on audio normalization

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Fix your sound mixing
      My problem with all of nolan's movies.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Tenet is fricking unwatchable, frick Nolan what a hack.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. It's like all the sound guys from cable tv went to work on movies

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Stop trying to use built in speakers. As that’s the actual culprit here.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >action scenes are loud as hell
      >turn the audio down
      >characters are barely audible

      Basically this
      >5.1
      >stick all your dialogue in a center channel 99% of people don't have
      >wtf why are people turning on subtitles or dynamic range compression you're ruining our dogshit artistic vision
      >stooooooooop there's supposed to be 40 decibels of dynamic range between whisper quiet dialog and Nolan wub wub effects
      >muh vision

      Does it really work? I am considering buying one if it will actually make me hear people speaking.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Try watching with speakers and not through your television built-ins.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. Playing anything on a TV or speakers and I can't hear what the frick anyone is saying. Typically if I'm wearing headphones it's manageable though. I blame Nolan

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      For me it’s because my kids are usually sleeping when I watch movies now, so need to keep the volume a bit lower and you can’t hear dialogue well at lower volumes

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what are headphones, moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      36 year old millennial here, I can't fricking hear the dialogue when the music is so loud in comparison.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it's hard for me to understand the characters, my brain won't allow it

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Actors should stop mumbling their line. My hearing is already shit for my native language, as esl I feel discriminated by american actors not catering to my hears and mind

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >he doesn't watch mumblecore

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I watched Nope yesterday and it was half as bad as Tenet in this regard.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    wearing masks has given them speech issues

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably more to do with hearing loss from wearing headphones for hours every day.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why do subtitles make boomers seethe?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cause boomers don't have the mental capacity to read and watch moving pictures at the same time

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This

        Only boomers complain they can't read and watch simultaneously

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    subtitles let me focus on the movie more cause i'm not constantly trying to heard what everyone is saying at all times and constantly having to raise and lower the volume.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >focus on the movie more
      >I cant use my eyes and ears at the same time so I guess I will just take my eyes away from the actual scene and read the dialogue on the bottom that I am currently hearing with my ears

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >he can't read dialogue and watch the movie at the same time
        hey its not my fault it takes you an hour to read a sentence

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I don't have to even read it because I am paying attention to the film or show that I am watching lmfao
          I feel like I'm arguing with Cartman about Chipotle

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I can read so fast that my comprehension of the line precedes the actor saying it. This removes a lot of dramatic tension and timing in film
      Yet I need the subtitles

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i use subtitles because i'm hard of hearing

    t. millennial

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I USE SUBTITLES BECAUSE I'M HARD OF HEARING

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You're subletting your car to buy a ring? Who's the lucky lass, boy?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >obsessed
    its not an “obsession” its a necessary evil.
    fix your fricking sound design

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Americans need subtitles for their own language

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes god i fricking hate zoomers this wasnt a thing even 5 years ago now every fricking time I go to someones house, or see people in public watching shit on their phone they always have subtitles on and I genuinely can't stand it

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >t. can't read

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >t. can't pay attention

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Try watching shit like Tenet without subs and come again

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn't help that actors frickin mumble nowadays

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If the audio wasn't so fricking shit I wouldn't have to
    >character talks normally
    >it's a whisper
    >turn vol up
    >music or sound effect out of nowhere at 200% volume
    >back to whisper talking
    fricking shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      get a decent audio setup for fricks sake
      dont blame the movie for your shitty stereo TV speakers that have to somehow output the downmixed 5.1 or 7.1 DTS line

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No.
        I don't have this problem with older media at all, just shit that's pumped out in the past few years.
        Lucky for me it's 99% shit that I don't bother with even finishing anyway.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Just wire speakers all over your room, goy!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't have wireless speakers

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >just spend a couple grand on a surround sound setup
        How about you just go frick yourself.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Go on Craigslist, Facebook marketplace, ebay or any local second hand shop you'll get a solid enough sound system for less than 100 bucks likely under 50

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        kys

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >watched movies/shows with some coworkers
    >every single time they put on subtitles
    >iconic movies, subtitles
    >stupid comedies, subtitles
    >Netflix fotm, subtitles
    >they're talking half the time or looking at their phones anyways

    Its ADHD culture, they want to glance at the screen, read the sentence, then go back to whatever theyre really doing.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That could be a part of it, sometimes I like to listen to shows in the backyground if I have already seen them

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There are a million reasons to love and use subtitles, and I do

      But this is also a factor, yeah. It's just faster. zoom zoom

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Reading and watching the movie takes more mental effort than just playing it and not looking.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >subtitles
    you didn't watch the movie

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I only use subtitles for "The Boys" because I don't understand Butcher at all

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    isn't it because ESL like me watch it with English subtitles to better understand..?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, that is a valid reason. Watching in a foreign language, with the same language subs, is scientifically the best to way to learn by watching media.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I am fricking SICK AND TIRED of journalistic bloat. Why does this need to be a fricking FULL ARTICLE?
    Let me explain this to the moronic millennials who actually read this trash:
    >Sound mixing is crappy in modern media.
    >Half of Gen Z is watching on their phones.
    >Duffer brothers thought it would be le funny epic to put subtitles like [tentacles squelching wetly
    That’s it. Anyone who needs an article to “explore how Gen Z because obsessed with subtitles” is a fricking IDIOT.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    subtitles ruin the timing of the dialog. someone will ask a character something and instead of a dramatic reveal you just get the whole fricking line a few seconds earlier. Just fricking pay attention/learn english/turn up the tv.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      My one gripe. I hate knowing someone is about to die mid-sentence because of that stupid fricking hyphen

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        It could be avoided but there's drawbacks
        >Make the subtitle finish the sentence but it's unthinkable in case of someone going "THE MURDERER IS -ACK"
        >Make the subtitles appears one word at a time, but it's very uncomfortable because you'd just be reading every word spaced out

        Ideally you'd have the subtitle looking ordinary but when it gets cut short the irrelevant part would become greyed or crossed out, showing that they were merely a false flag to not break immersion in the scene

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Who even makes the subtitle though? Aren’t they just outsourced to wagies who won’t take the care to do something like that?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just mix your sound properly

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna be honest as a zoomer
    It just doesn't feel right when I have subtitles off

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >No, actually it’s your fault, you should have expensive sound bars and speakers setup for your TCL TV with shitty color mixing on screen, that you have in your dorm where you and your roommate have curtains to separate you, not even a door.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      i have a soundbar and still have this issue. I can't get the settings right i guess

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I adjust my brightness sliders with the time of day and even that is exhausting. I don’t want to have to learn about audio settings just to have it be perfect.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I thought it was because I'm not a native english speaker. Surprised to see that some natives need subtitles as well

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm almost 40 and I haven't been able to watch things without subs for about 10 years. I didn't even realize it had something to do with sound mixing, I just knew I missed a lot of dialog without it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's not even missing every word, it's sometimes missing just one word and you have to go back and re-watch that scene over.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The very first time I watched a movie (in theaters) and I couldn't understand what anyone was saying was Pirates 3. Saw it with friends at a movie tavern and I still remember the frustration of just sitting there and listening to everyone mumbling through their lines. I've never seen the movie again so I'm unsure if it was the movie itself or the theater, but ever since then every time I watch a movie and I can't fricking hear what anyone is saying at full volume I just turn on the subtitles, usually by default now.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the influence of korean media is making people smarter

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Basically no one wants to pay for basic-ass stereo mixes anymore. It's more work, and from an "artistic," and "production" stand point, it's just "worse" than surround setups, even if that's what most people have. It's this problem where creators think people will naturally upgrade over time, like from VHS to DVD, or whatever, but the issue is space. You have to basically make an entire room around 5.1 or 7.1 audio.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If yuo'er fmalair wtih a lgnagae you ndee olny teh frsit adn lsat ltteers to be in the rghit sopt. Rdaenig is amlsot intnast. Cool, yes?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just wanna let you know I mentally read this in a slurpy dumb moron voice. You have a slurpy dumb moron voice.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Movies and TV should be in mono

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You might actually convince executives to do this more than stereo. Most phones are mono.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    To subtitle haters, please tell me what Willa(the redhead) says from 1:47 to 1:51 on your first try.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not a subtitle hater but she says
      >it's been a really long day
      >it's been nice getting to know you all better
      She might have mumbled something before that too like "right".
      I honestly find it weird that zoomers love subtitles. I guess they need to hear every word of the total shit they watch.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You missed the part where she calls him a handsome addict. Thanks for proving my point, you're actually convinced you heard everything.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >my handsome addict good night its been great getting to know you all
      Everyone here mumbles though so thats probably a learned ear thing

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Kek I thought she was having a stroke, no fricking clue what she mumbled.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I just can't hear shit or can't focus on the dialogue well enough, I might be autistic or have ADHD

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >subtitles are on sudaka or panchito
    SHAME

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Sound mixing in most things made in the past ten years is absolutely fricking trash. Dialogue is barely audible but everything else is blown the absolute frick out so you're either relying on subtitles or constantly adjusting the volume while you're watching just so you can hear what the frick people are saying and not blow out your fricking eardrums when the loud as shit bassy music starts.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I unironically think it's intentional. For instance, Nolan is the biggest offender, and his movies typically have absolutely nonsensical plots with style-over-substance sequences, along with sterile two-dimensional cardboard-cutout characters. And his strategy to mask these shortcomings is to frick with the audio mixing so all you hear is Hans Zimmer BWOOOOOMs and loud sound effects so you don't get a chance to really tune in on the dialogue and realize how awful the dialogue/plot/characters are.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Are you saying that we're basically seeing the equivalent of camera shaking to hide the cgi effects but for audio?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          That's the perfect analogy to describe it, yes.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Good observation.
        I also like opinions in this thread in genral.
        Today you were not homosexuals

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I agree it's intentional but not for that reason.

        I think it's that audio capability has become so good and the creators who are passionate about making their movie as good as possible will use the technology to make a great dynamic audio. However the problem is 90% of people don't have the necessary audio systems for it so it doesn't sound right

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >watching movie on bootleg stream site
    >only available subtitles are in moldovan
    >mfw

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What the hell is a bootleg stream site? Just use fmovies, dood. You can change servers there if the server you're using doesn't have subtitles.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >What the hell is a bootleg stream site?
        Basically anything that streams illegally.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >mfw you can’t turn them off because they’re on the actual video

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        this is only acceptable with leaked korean airline rips

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Explain. Do you mean to tell me that people are recording in-flight movies to post on the internet?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know if this is still the case but if you pirated movies in the past you've probably run around stuff labeled KORSUB that have hardcoded Korean subtitles and its almost always the first stuff that comes out, often before the movie is released on home media or even theaters. Well, turns out that the reason why that is is because korean airlines compete with each other on who has the best movie selection on their flights and they were willing to pay top dollar to make sure that they have movies nobody else has. So what happened is that people who worked on the airlines simply leaked the movies, resulting in a shitload of hardcoded korean subbed movies that typically came out a few days before the official release.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              KORSUB is relatively new phenomenon.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Hardly, its well over 10 years old.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              That’s actually kind of cool.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >watch movie without subtitles
    >nice, immersive experience
    >can't remember anything once the movie is over

    >watch movie with subtitles
    >i understand everything, all the names and plot
    >once the movie is over, it feels like i just finished a book

    i hate movies

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      A good movie experience is unironically supposed to be exactly how you described watching without subtitles
      Fricking ADHD browse-the-internet-while-watching-tv generation is ruining everything

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Note how the goalposts are changing in this thread. First it's everyone is deaf and not paying attention. Now it's "oh, you don't need to hear every word anyway". Fricking homosexuals kys.

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOOO YOU CANT USE movies2watch.tv YOU NEED TO TORRENT ALL OF YOU MOVIES ON A VPN AND THEN JAILBREAK YOUR FIRESTICK TO HAVE A PLEX SERVER THAT HAS UNLIMITED 4K MOVIE STORAGE WHERE YOU ALSO UPLOAD A 4K POSTER OF THE MOVIE SO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A NETFLIX COPY!!!
    That’s cool and all, but I’ll just go to movies2watch.tv on my iPad, haha.

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My hearing is so good that I can hear something off at night and wake up from it. No, it's the sound department to blame for me not hearing wtf people are saying.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I've got rid of devices because of wall wart buzz. Still can't hear half of these fricking movies on a proper 7.1 set up.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    KEK I thought it was just me as an ESL but you guys actually struggle to understand each others as natives and resort to subs KEKKKK

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yeah turns out that its hard to hear what someone is saying when they're not speaking clearly. Even in real life I have to deal with people who don't understand that if you're in a metal shop and there's a shitload of noise aorund you have to actually raise your voice and speak directly towards a person rather than speak in a normal room volume while facing the opposite direction.

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    As a Euro I always watch with subtitles because we didn't have much dubbed movies growing up. 99% of the time I don't need subs for English movies but it's still nice to have them there in those cases I didn't catch a word or sentence. Just a quick glance and I don't have to pause and rewind.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Japals are to blame here with their anime.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm an ESL so I'm just used to subs. I wish zoom transcript worked better because frick working with Indians lmao.

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i watch everything 2x and subtitles help

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If you're lucky your movie will have multiple audio tracks, so you can pick stereo (or 2 channel).

    At least you can check before buying box sets if it has a stereo track. For streaming, I think it is rare.

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's all those got dang animes cartoons they're always watching on their youtubes.

  44. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    a while back I was watching DUNC with my brother. We had to constantly crank the volume up and down because when you had the audio loud enough to hear the whisper-quiet dialogue, the next second the action scene would be ear-splitting. And when you turned down the volume so it was appropriate for the lound action scenes, you couldn't hear a single word during dialogue.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I believe there's some subtrack for cinemas because in theatre it all worked but I also downloaded DUNC for a rewatch and had same experience. Surround mixing going bad on rips?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Mixing has deteriorated but more so that tvs are made cheaper and shoddier. Piss poor audio systems and bad design regarding positioning of it means most aren't capable of ruining the audio decently.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          In my case watching DUNC, was using an amp and good external speakers. It would've been even worse if I used built-in speakers in a flat-screen, but the problem was still severe. The problem is the mixing, definitely.

  45. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >entire thread misses the point where they weren't talking about subtitles in movies, but recaptioning an image as a "meme" just like imageboards did 10 years ago

  46. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hate subtitles. They block a quarter of the shot, I want to watch and listen instead of read.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You can edit the subtitles yknow. Size, font, colour etc

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Don't care. Don't like em, simple as.

  47. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not spending 2 grand on surround sound you fricking israelites I can read faster than you can die in a gas chamber

  48. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    English is a second language to most American zoomers, so this makes a lot of sense

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