Regardless of how you all felt about The Force Awakens. Starkiller Base is kind of a more terrifying superweapon on an existential level.
1. Stationary, it is a base on a planet that has a regular orbit.
2. Capable of firing a beam that can destroy not just one planet but several across various distances.
3. The beam travels slowly and while this maybe a technically setback still provides the sinking feeling of dread and doom as you see it approach your planet. Like an asteroid coming to wipe us out and all hope being lost.
4. Was likely constructed for one single use with the goal to wipe out an entire civilization at once as oppose to a long dragged out war that would've came from destruction of each individual planet.
5. Despite having its planet imploded by the Resistance. Still managed to succeed in what it was created to do.
This was amplified Death Star terror.
It was retarded
So was the Death Star or any of the super-weapons in Legends. Star Wars itself is the epitome of retardation.
>Planets have shields
>It takes a siege to bring down the shield
>Empire comes up with a weapon that trumps planetary shields
It's not great but I'm fine with the justification.
This. It makes no fucking sense. The death star can at least enter hyperspace to travel to distant galaxies to then attack planets in those galaxies. What is the rationale for this thing sending out blasts of energy that then travel across galaxies? Do the blasts it shoot enter hyperspace then travel to the galaxies to get to the targets?
Dumb.
I read a star wars comic that made at least a little more sense a long time ago. There was a star destroyer or something that launched nukes that could go into hyperspace then appear and nuke a world.
Does it bother anyone else that the 2009 Star Trek film felt like J.J. Abrams' literal application to make The Force Awakens?
But why was Star Trek good and The Force Awakens was trash?
kek, it was just as trash with JJ doing the exact same idiocy
It really wasn't. Star Trek 2009 was mediocre at best and the sequel was mostly bad.
>. The beam travels slowly
so 21 years after firing it finally hits the planet you aimed at? Assuming it goes at the speed of light?
>21 years after firing
>Assuming it goes at the speed of light?
The Star Wars galaxy is 120,000 light years wide. It would take 60 000 years for the beam to hit its target at light speed.
Nu Wars a shit.
A foundation meme here, in our time?
Back to the roots, for as shit as it is, its not Slop Wars.
Oh yeah? Well MY superweapon is as big as eighteen SOLAR SYSTEMS! It's called Galaxy Smasher and would destroy the puny Starkiller Base easily!
Your post is actually quite terrifying on an existential level since that is usually how weapons come about.
Rey would get swallowed whole by Lord Nihilus anyway. You know they're going to make him canon soon enough and seems like a perfect adversary for the sequel characters.
My superweapon is called Black Hole Breaker and is powered by absorbing all core worlds at the center of the galaxy. It super laser can buck break an entire galactic cluster.
Looks like an infected anus
ITS BIGGERER!
Interesting point. I've always seen it as part of the sequel trilogy trend of just making everything way more powerful. Especially obvious are the force powers. Hey, maybe it's actually not as fearsome as the death star, because Ray can just deflect or absorb it.
Anyone find it odd that there is basically no toys or models of this?
There are Lego sets but they're from the interior. Also, kind of hard to make a model that is accurate to the Death Star lego set when this is a motherfucking planet.
well if you think about it... (proceed to not think about how or why, just powerscaling)
oh yeah? well goku is stronger, also superman can totally survive that laser so it not that scary
C'mon, Superman can't be that big of a Gary Stu.
Is he really that bad in comparison to say Rey?
What about Khan? Or Kirk after his super blood transfusion?
>the superweapon isn't the fact that it EATS STARS
>No the real supeweapon is the red laser AFTER the star is consumed
Lol
Why don't they just throw a rock at .99c into a planet instead?
>make retarded nonsense
>expect people to fear it
absolutely booty shaking
This thread is a gay as TFA. Decades of post RotJ Star Wars EU and they chose to just go with their own ideas with zero input from decades worth of enjoyed and profitable Star Wars stories. It was over the moment Disney declared the EU 100% non canon a decade ago and lost thousands of fans instantly.
TFA is a bad movie but the EU getting canned was inevitable. I think it would have happened even if Lucas held onto Lucasfilm for the first sequel movie.
And Episode VII was essentially The Last Jedi with Luke's exile and disconnect from the force, a young girl named Taryn/Thea/Winkie/Rey, and a more closer relationship between her and Luke which caused Luke to rekindled his connection to the force. Oh and Han Solo still dies. Luke still dies except in Episode IX.
His sequels would have been just as incompatible with the EU, yeah. But I assume what some people think is that the EU could have continued along, just altered. The issue is that it would've been so totally altered that it might as well have been scrapped in its entirety because so much of the EU consisted of post-ROTJ material. That was always the lifeblood of the EU. And the EU was always an exchange between Lucasfilm Licensing and publishers that wanted to tie into the movies. That's still the case, even if everything is now canon. There's just more interest to be captured (in theory) when everything is tying into brand new shiny movies. As soon as more movies were being considered the EU's days were numbered.
>His sequels would have been just as incompatible with the EU,
The end of the EU before Lucas sold the company basically had Luke in a self-imposed exile trying to guru-out looking into the nature of the Force. About the same age as Hamill would've been, in fact.
So he could have just set the movies at that time and ignored everything else. If he wanted to use the actors they would've had to be that old anyway.
Dave Filoni seems to be re-establishing a lot of old Legends content into the new Canon though.
And it's not the first time Legends content got retconned. Splinter of the Mind's Eyes and Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars.
I also have a feeling that Disney is probably going to start having Lucasfilms develop Legends content in the future. Possibly an animated movie trilogy of the Thrawn saga since the Timothy Zahn novels still continue to be re-published.
And are you saying that the EU was the planets destroyed by Starkiller Base?
OG Clone Wars was canon to TCW until the very end of the last season, which basically cut the space blue sexo indians arc.
The whole show was intended to take place in the timeskip between season 1 and season 2 of the 2D show, but as time went on details started slipping and causing contradictions.
Then how come Anakin doesn't seem to remember anything about Ahsoka in season two of the 2D series?
Plus the final season of The Clone Wars kind of retconned the whole 2D series.
>Then how come Anakin doesn't seem to remember anything about Ahsoka in season two of the 2D series?
Why doesn't he remember her in the fucking movie? Because she was the beginning of the end for giving a shit about continuity.
Anyway something that recons Jabiim doesn't deserve to call itself the Clone Wars.
But Jabiim is a canon planet also.
The whole Jabiim arc was retconned away in order to make room for the stupid ass decision to knight Anakin like right after the war started. In Kenobi they go to Jabiim and nobody so much as hints they had history there.
You're going to hate the alternative. George Lucas was going to do the same if he directed his own sequels.
Oh no, a female protagonist that's actually cool with Ben having sex with a hot Twilek. The horror.
Imagine thinking about this more than the people who came up with it did.
Gayest thread on Cinemaphile
>3. The beam travels slowly and while this maybe a technically setback still provides the sinking feeling of dread and doom as you see it approach your planet.
It traveled across the galaxy in like 30 seconds. It was going faster than the speed of light.
>beam of pure light traveling faster than light
this is some dark energy
How was Kylo Ren able to watch the beam itself then?
Also, light speed doesn't take 30 seconds to reach every planet, retard.
>absorbs the solar systems sun to charge its laser
>all the surrounding planets die anyway because the sun is gone
was retarded tbh senpai.
>Starkiller Base is kind of a more terrifying superweapon on an existential level.
Any 5 year old playing make believe can come up with some magic device that destroys the world
> all the surrounding planets die anyway because the sun is gone
Not quick enough, retard. Life on Earth doesn't just immediately die because the sun turns off. The only thing that dies immediately is plant life.
George wanted to do his underworld show or movie and explore the ramifications of the two wars after they were over. That was what I was expecting for episode 7. Maybe allegories for the good guy Obama administration bombing small villages. Making war about family was always his weird thing.
Are you talking about the story with the remaining empire turning into a buncha splinter factions ala Al qaeda and the taliban and isis and shit? I don’t really understand why they went the way they did instead of just using his idea. GL and filoni had literally set darth maul up to come out and pick up the scraps of the empires failure. Instead we just get a shittier retread of what had literally just happened within the universe.
> Instead we just get a shittier retread of what had literally just happened within the universe.
A well-known trope even before Abrams.
> What is the Sith Empire?
> What is Krayt's Galactic Empire?
Not sure he would've targeted Obama like that.
He made Palpatine an allegory for Nixon though.
So, he probably wouldn't used Bush or some pre-Trump Republican candidate.
>The galaxy has to know that their Emperor is not a Sith
>I am not a Sith
>I was not born on Korriban.
Starkiller base makes no sense. The size of the planet makes no sense and they even retconned it from being an actual planet to being a tiny fucking moon smaller than CERES, yes that's right according to wikipedia it's smaller than the largest asteroid in the solar system. It's 660km. Ceres has a diameter of 940km.
How does it have an atmosphere? How does it have trees, snow, oxygen? Its gravity would be less than ceres by several orders of Magnitude and Ceres has hardly any gravitational pull, you could reach escape velocity with a tiny rocket.
Yet in the movie the gravity on this base seems earth like despite its tiny size.
But this is just the beginning of the issues with JJ Abrams retardation, I feel like it even though it's late at night to dissect this once again and bring into scope how retarded this entire concept / scene was. Let's begin, this will be a few posts.
I thought it was the planet where Jedi got lightsabers crystals from? Or am I making that up
Its made of super dense material
They fucking hollowed it out.
How? The only thing they dug out was the trench and the First Order weren't even the ones who did that. It was the Galactic Empire who was mining kyber crystals on Ilum (yes, it was canonically confirmed that was the world for which housed the super-weapon) to power up the Death Star.
>How?
How the fuck should I know, the point is they mined it so deeply that all that "super dense material" isn't fucking there, it's essentially empty and filled with machinery.
To put this in perspective, Ceres, an object that is far more massive than Starkiller base, has a mass that is 14x LESS than Pluto, a tiny dwarf planet. As a celestial object, Starkiller base is merely a medium to large size asteroid.
ok, now let's get into the weapon itself, so it eats stars, or the energy from stars and somehow stores this energy inside a tiny celestial object to release it. Ilum is in the unknown regions of space, it's pretty far from the New republic capitol. Let's say it's like 10,000 light years, the Milky Way is over 100,000 light years in diameter so it's like 1/10th the distance from other major systems lets say. The weapon has to fire faster than light obviously, yet why in the movie do we witness the beam of the weapon firing slower than light? Speaking of its target, the new republic planets, why is it that the beam splits upon its destination at slower than light speed? Why is it that all of the new republics most important planets appear to be right next to each other, literally within each others orbits? What kind of tidal forces are these planets putting on each other when they share such close orbits? How does that not completely fuck the situation on the new republic capital? Whatever, so the capital is obliterated.
Han Solo, Rey and others aren't there, they are in a completely different star system, they are on Takodana. The New republic capital is in the Hosnian system. Look at this map, I circled the most important systems in the force awakens, notice the distance of these systems from each other, literally at least 20-30k LIGHT YEARS.
Keep this in mind for what is next
>DUDE DEATH STAR BUT SUPERBIG
it was shit, just shit, like the prequels, memoryhole it and focus on kino like clone wars animated, Andor and the Mandalorian
>focus on kino like clone wars animated, Andor and the Mandalorian
All shit
There are three good star wars movies and nothing beyond that is worth watching
now you're just being too cynical, they will never replicate anything like the asteroid chase scene in Empire Strikes Back but it is good
Absolute retard-tier name for a base
Fuck you.
Clonekiller was a fag. Galen was a bro.
ok so look at that map. Ilum is where Starkiller base is. It fires its FTL laser beam plasma dark matter bullshit weapon to Hosnian prime, a major city-planet in the core systems.
Somehow this laser travels FTL, then when it gets there, not FTL speed. It destroys the entire planet and other planets around it which like I said, are somehow orbiting right next to each other retardedly.
But here is JJ's biggest blunder. The main characters are on Takodana. This planet is literally TENS OF THOUSANDS OF LIGHT YEARS AWAY FROM HOSNIAN PRIME. Yet, somehow the main characters walk outside of the palace they're in and SEE THE PLANETS DESTROYED THAT ARE THOUSANDS OF LIGHT YEARS AWAY IN THE SKY IN THE DAYLIGHT.
Somehow the light from the planets being blown up ALSO TRAVELED FASTER THAN LIGHT ACROSS THE ENTIRE GALAXY and conveniently the solar system that Han Solo and crew were in was just facing the right direction at the right time in order to witness this directly in the sky.
Does this make any sense to any of you?
No, JJ is a fucking retard, news at 11.
They didn't actually see the destruction of the planets. It was just the beams and a large super nova like light radiating from the planets. Watch the scene again.
Doesn't really make you wrong though. Makes me wonder how Dave Filoni is going to explain this mess away since you know eventually he's going to have to do so.
In b4 it's something similar to the connection between Rey and Ben.
>In b4 it's something similar to the connection between Rey and Ben
Between what, every single being in the galaxy? If The First Order blew up Jupiter it would take 4½ minutes before we saw it here on Earth.
yeah but what about Galaxykiller Base in the next trilogy
>The beam travels slowly
It travelled from the Unknown Regions to the Galactic Core in minutes without entering hyperspace.
Ilum isn't in the Unknown Regions.
According to the map posted above it is.
Well, Starkiller Base is. I suppose they stole the planet and moved it there for some reason.
So let me get this straight, a civilization capable of FTL travel needs to weaponize whole planets instead of just sending a couple of grams of matter at FTL speeds to anything they want to destroy?
Is this explained away in some way on this retarded homosexual ass manchildren soap opera universe?
I believe hyperspace is a separate dimension of some kind. It's basically teleportation with a couple of hours delay, otherwise there'd be problems related to time dilation.
>Everyone always bitched that the EU was too reliant on superweapons
>Disney wipes it away and then does the same fucking thing
LMAO
>Starkiller Base is kind of a more terrifying superweapon on an existential level
It also fundamentally breaks the central conflict of the movie and ultimately just serves as a weak excuse for a climax and to get the new republic out of the plot.
I have no issue with the weapon itself. It's the role in the story that is bad. See also: The death star 2.
when I saw this on screen I knew the movie was going to end with x wings flying inside of it and blowing it up. I should of just walked out of the theater looking back on it.
how the fuck did anyone defend this movie at the time it was fucking boring dog shit. I am glad KK killed off the old cast that the gen X retards loved so much serves the fuckers right.
Looking back nu-wars is even worse than I remember
>the resistance
>despite the rebels literally winning at the end of 6 and becoming the new government
Lol
Braindead retards wrote the mouseflicks