As someone mentioned we're told that he's smart >We're told that he helped Harry throughout highschool >We're told that he makes good grades >We're told that he's one of Conners best students
Honestly Spider-Man 2/3 is when we really see him "use" his smarts, like when Peter and Otto are talking about the self sustaining sun, or Peter connecting the dots between Venons weakness
That's actually very true. In the Raimi films they always SAY Peter is smart but he never shows it. In fact, everything is did and told to him rather than him doing his own research or practices. That's kind of bad. I understand that he's supposed to be a down on his luck everyman but his intellect is how he gets by in order to beat his villains or hell make a living, besides punching them.
>SAY Peter is smart but he never shows it
Him being smart is used in subtle ways, like in SM1 when he wrote that report about Osborn, and having Norman showing he's more impressed with him than his own son. Or his intelligence leading him to meet doc ock in S2
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Peter finding the error in Otto's calculations is the only time in three movies that he SHOWS he's smart.
My dude. That's still only the movie telling us he is smart. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the thing the symbiote hurts is the thing that hurt it last time. If anything it makes him look a bit stupid for figuring it out this late into the fight
I Raimi had "gotten it right" with organic web shooters then the web would come out of Peters ass. As opposed to what we know goes into Peter's ass. * See Spider-Man and Power Pack, NCPCA comic.
Peter was a tech genius first, the powers came after.
They went overboard with the tech genius thing. Giving Peter a general interest is fine but he should have been limited to one expertise like chemistry or biology. Making him Reed Richards lite goes against the everyman vibe he used to have in the comics. That said, the web shooters are fine. The tech may be fanciful in real life but it is relatively simple shit in the floppies. Some chemicals available at local NYC highschools, a small pressurized canister, a nozel and a mechanical trigger isn't too hard to get. To emphasize this in universe, they should have kids regularly do science projects replicating the damn things.
I'll say it, having a super-spider bite him and allow him to shoot webs is a lot more believable than a teenage creating super-strength webbing.
>having a super-spider bite him and allow him to shoot webs is a lot more believable than a teenage creating super-strength webbing
realism once again getting in the way of storytelling. what an autistic reason to say that a fricking sci-fi comic book hero should change: """realism"""
Him having a tiny tiny little organ in his wrist able to shoot an organic string with enough force to instantaneously reach rooftops in the sheer volumes he does makes MUCH less "realistic" sense than the idea of "its a sci-fi gadget that does it."
it's a superhero comic, I don't give a frick about it making sense when there's people who already magically generate infinite mass or energy for other bullshit. I just like it when his powerset is more innately thematic to being a fricking spider-man.
Yeah it's a superhero comic but even then you're admitting that there's too much nuance to it and you need it to be dumbed down even further.
He chose the Spider theme as a stage persona. He made the costume and gadgets to use in his show. Sticking to walls and spider-sense enhanced strength/speed are his innate radioactive spider-powers.
Stan Lee himself wrote in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 that it was a form of static cling, so it wasn't THAT long after his creation that they started using the molecular bond/atomic attraction blah blah explanation.
To be fair, that was never given any explanation until years later. Super-setules make about as much sense as magnitism, or whatever the frick it was that they settled on.
The biology is completely wrong, the webbing doesnt come out of a spiders wrists, the webbing would come out of Tobey Maguire's ass if they did 5 minutes of fricking research.
I'm sorry but some of his comments were really beyond the pale. I get that it was a different time, but the "not so bad" comment about fricking Hitler of all people was a bridge too far. In an ostensible children's film to boot.
Web armpits will always be the superior choice for Spider-Man (highschool/college era) Honestly I can see him ditching them after the black suit symbiote arc/cloth version of the black suit.
I'd do fine as Spider-man because I'd just metagame with comic book knowledge and stack other characters stuff on my own. >Steal the formula for Shockers suit and use it on my own. >Actually Utilize stark and Pym tech >Treat the symbiot like an actual person and work out an actually symbiotic relationship with it >Ask Dr. Strange for some protective enchantments >Marry Black cat and team up permanently
No otherwise literally anybody could have got bitten by the spider, Peter being the only one who could actually become spiderman is great. There is no point in him being a nerd or anything if he is just a shmuck with powers like everyone else.
Also there is the whole thing of him consciously creating non-lethal gadgets to use, if he is just magically given non lethal webbing it's kind of cheating because he has no reason to kill people
>literally anybody coulve been bitten by a spider
Wasnt that Stan Lee's whole point of the character? Anybody could be spiderman? Anybody could be a hero?
That was BS he came up with later. His point was to have a teenage hero named spider-man and peter parker. That was the extent of his input into the character. Stan came up with names and very basic concepts. Everything else, plot-wise, was Ditko, and Ditko made Peter better than his peers, not an everyman.
Stan Lee creates embellished stories as time goes on and these anecdotes get wrapped up in so much. One story he says how later on, not initially, he realised that a lot of heroes had half masks and Spider-Man having a full mask meant that people could self insert better.
This, the whole "Spider-Man as an everyman" is something they started saying later and wasn't their initial intention. Marvel just found a pattern that stuck of hero with relatable issue which related to their audience specifically. Did some people self insert as the character? Sure, but even Stan admits that a lot of the building wasn't on purpose. The whole "Marvel is the world outside your window" is more marketing style phrases they get later.
He wasn't intended to be an everyman, they just took that idea that he was from some of the audience and letters to add it to their marketing.
If a normal person used Web shooters, the force alone would break your arm realistically. You'd still need Peter's spider agility and endurance To use them.
Peter Parker being a supergenius is a retcon and ruined the character premise in several ways, Lee and Dikto thought the gadgets were not such a big deal at the time.
Yeah it came from a time where basically every comic character could invent something revolutionary from scratch provided they were considered "smart types"
I don't know why no writers ever went for a middle ground: natural webs that Spidey shoots from his writs, and webshooters to shape it into a strand or a wide net depending on the situation, like a hose nozzle
You're all fricking moronic, I can't believe no one in this thread has simply consolidated it all together into a correct opinion.
Mechanical web shooters are a million times cooler, you can have gadgets like web bomb, he can run out which makes for good story if you use it right.
AND YET, I agree that Peter should not be a Banner-tier genius. He's not comparable. Peter is a handy tech person with scattered knowledge across other scientific subjects
He should just be *really smart*, not a 12-phd genius. In the Marvel universe it's not so far fetched that the web shooters are impressive, but not a huge deal in comparison to Richards' tech and Iron Man's suits
Every time I try to get back into Spider comics, Parker or whoever is Spider-Man at the time is always working for some big company with unappealing names similar to "Globo Tech". Picked up some Spider-Man in 2012, Parker was talking about his totally cool awesome job at inventing stuff, where he only has to come in to work once every four months and crank out a totally amazing invention. Blech. 10 years later, picked up a Spider-Man comic in 2022, same thing but with Ben Reilly as Parker, working for a shady sinister big corp inventing tech blah blah.
Stop reading new, shitty Spider-Man. That's your problem.
The comics largely stopped being good after the 80s. Just read Amazing Fantasy #15, then Amazing Spider-Man #1 - 300. That'll give you the essentials, and stop you around the time when it starts to shit itself.
The frick are you talking about? His origin was one of the most original. He didn't develop his tech to be a hero, he used his genius to further his stage/tv career. It was an IRRESPONSIBLE use of his POWER...see how that fits thematically?
Him having organics is fine to streamline his origin story in order to fit it a film's three-act structure but him being a tech genius is a defining aspect of the character and organics diminishes his application of that genius to his costumed persona.
Also, frick you you don't know better than Lee-Ditko on what makes a story good.
Ty anon, insane how zoomers have no reverence for storytelling. Their opinions are just soulless mental gymnastic validations of shit they personally like
>BRO RAIMI SPIDER-MAN IS THE GOAT BRO HES THE MOST ICONIC BRO HES THE MOST ACCURATE >WHATS THAT? >HES NOT THE MOST ACCURATE, THERE'S NUANCE TO IT? >BRO IDC ABOUT ACCURACY BRO WHO CARES ABOUT FRICKING 60S COMICS BRO ALL COMICS ARE TRASH BRO FRICK COMICS BRO RAIMI SPIDER-MAN IS THE MOST ICONIC VERSION BRO HE'S THE BEST ONE BRO
>Peter is a supergenius >instead of using his Hank Pym lvl genius to help mankind in constructive way through new technology or social projects he spend all day punching random thugs of a single city with a hundred active superheroes >"with great powers comes great responsablity"
>single city with a hundred active superheroes
X-Men are thirty minutes outside the city and mostly operate on Mutant causes and world-ending events.
The Fantastic Four are always off saving a random planet or dimension.
The Avengers aren't always together but usually get sucked into their own shit be it drama or villains.
Daredevil operates at night.
When Spider-Man came around, no one was protecting New York City IN GENERAL. During the day. In there with the rest of the citizens.
Spidey is the civilian hero, that's why he's the one that stops runaway trucks instead of the whole fricking X-Men coming out.
Have some taste and brain capacity for storytelling and stop thinking of everything in terms of >BUT IF DIS THING HAPPENS >THEN HOW DOES THIS THING HAPPEN!!!! IMMERSION RUINED!!!!!
Most Fantastic 4 fights are not outside earth, Peter was never the only active superhero in New York and now he's just another one among an army. He's wasting his world changing talents to punch robbers, new inventions save hundreds to billions of lives.
>you can't focus on living a good life while keeping your entire fricking city, the most important city in the usa, safe >you HAVE to burn yourself out for hypothetical cures you have no fricking clue how to make
Yes they have, that's the whole point of the character and his little philosophy, they are wasting the great power that is his super mind wich is far greater than webs and petty criminals, Reed, Banner and Pym are changing the world while they beatsome c-list rogues
>He's wasting his world changing talents to punch robbers
It sort of feels like you're missing the entire point of the character. Something about power... and responsibility?
Oh, I forget. The line is so seldomly said, after all.
In the context of the story, yeah,the whole point is Pete gets up his own ass with his newfound success and refuses to even help others out of general bitterness towards his school life ultimately culminating in a dead Uncle Ben.
Maybe would've made a great scientist, but he would've been a shitty and selfish person. Peter isn't willing to be that person after the events of Amazing Fantasy #15, though.
Him building his own webshooters is fine
It's the equivalent of someone modifying a piece of equipment that they own somethin that they own
That doesn't make him a super genius
But having him be Tony stark level or reed richards level intellect is just ridiculous and takes away from his relatability
>takes away from his relatability
Peter's personality/traits have never been relatable, though. The only the relatable about him has always been the fact that he has to deal with normal people problems.
>Peter's personality/traits have never been relatable, though
in what fricking world, I know like three guys who I'd say remind me of classic 616 Peter
He certainly had that same anti-social streak. The lesson learned from Uncle Ben's death definitely deterred him from acting on those impulses, but he still had it in him until college.
Hell, he momentarily considers letting Flash stay captured by Doctor Doom when Flash dressed up as Spider-Man and was mistaken for Peter.
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>Hell, he momentarily considers letting Flash stay captured by Doctor Doom
Let's be honest he was just humoring himself
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I think it's a simplistic breakdown of school shooters when Pete's mentality seems a lot more withdrawn than retaliatory. Pete is the "I'll be rich while you move to New Jersey to pump gas" kind of revenge fantasy, not the "systematically torture and murder everyone he resents" revenge fantasy.
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>Pete's mentality seems a lot more withdrawn than retaliatory
I'm not sure that's true. That image I posted wasn't a one-time example of Peter wanting to hurt Flash. Hell, he literally gets sick of Flash's bullshit at one point and fights him in front of everybody. He uses his power to punch Flash across the ring.
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>he literally gets sick of Flash's bullshit at one point and fights him in front of everybody. He uses his power to punch Flash across the ring.
Rightfully so too. Btw that's one of my favorite issues
he's always been Reed Richards level potential, screwed over by the world. That is relatable to the sort of smart nerd that will never actualise as a CEO
While I think Peter should still be super smart, I do find it really cool how his body transformed in the Raimi trilogy
seeing so much body horror was cool. I wish they'd bring it back in more movies. Especially for a character like Hulk
Peter never Actually using his Smarts, he's my Biggest problems with the Raimi films.
The entire time we're told how smart Peter is by other equally smart characters Connors, Norman, Otto. But he never actually shows his intellect. Relaying on spidey sense and Brute strength during fights/crime fighting.
He wouldn't even need Web shooters to show that off, him building simple gadgets like in the Ditto/lee days would be enough. Like using a vacuum to defeat sandman or Rubber gloves to take out electro. Raimi Pete never does anything like that.
I didn't say he did. But still, both of those are Smart Actions. And they show that he's smart and resourceful. Raimi peter never does anything like that. Name one time Raimi peter does anything like that. Or anytime where being a Smart kid, top of his classes ever actual benefits him.
Because Raimi peter only ever solves a problem with his fists.
>I can only empathise with a character if he is EXACTLY like me.
The reason people liked early Marvel characters is because they had some relatable issues, not because they fully represented an everyman that could be you. This obsession with having characters that have to be exactly like you has led to all this bad modern crap.
It's crazy how much people repeat the same moronic piece of misinformation. It's the same tier as when entitled c**ts go to a store and yell, >"THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT"
in the employees faces, completely misunderstanding what that phrase actually means.
Peter isn't relatable because of his personality or skills; he's relatable because he still has to deal with regular people problems at the end of the day.
>he's relatable because he still has to deal with regular people problems at the end of the day.
Exactly. That's what people responded to. I feel like this is the same thing as the obsession with some form of realism. It is another loaded term that people don't fully know what they want. Peter worried about his aunt and money and social issues. People liked that. The same with the FF still having family troubles.
>I feel like this is the same thing as the obsession with some form of realism
Thank God somebody else notices this. There's large swaths of audiences that will use realism to excuse any form of bad writing, ignoring that realism isn't the ultimate ideal to be achieved when writing. Writing realistic dialogue is certainly a useful skill, but you can't let it get in the way of coherently telling the story you're trying to tell.
The web shooters makes peter more reletable than the magic web anus, any frick can build gadgets that shoot sperm how many people on Earth could get bitten by a radioactive spider and shit out spiderwebs?
You missed the point I was making entirely. The relatable part of Spider-Man were his personal issues. You don't need every facet of his character to be relatable. Which is the mistake the OP is making. I prefer web shooters
Web shooters are fine but what the frick is that design?
I get what they're going for with a more realistic look but the spare cartridges on the wrist are too much.
Just do the little square cartridges that sit flush and that he keeps in his belt, they figured that shit out years ago.
What I don't get is the cartridges. Wouldn't that be clunky and weird? Would some sort of camel-back full of the juice throw off his silhouette too much?
Though then I guess any time his suit ripped along his arms you'd have to write him only having one shooter thereafter.
They went overboard with the tech genius thing. Giving Peter a general interest is fine but he should have been limited to one expertise like chemistry or biology. Making him Reed Richards lite goes against the everyman vibe he used to have in the comics. That said, the web shooters are fine. The tech may be fanciful in real life but it is relatively simple shit in the floppies. Some chemicals available at local NYC highschools, a small pressurized canister, a nozel and a mechanical trigger isn't too hard to get. To emphasize this in universe, they should have kids regularly do science projects replicating the damn things.
To be fair this tech genius criticism is a problem with all these clever heroes being multi disclipinary that begans to take away from their individual character.
>Making him Reed Richards lite goes against the everyman vibe he used to have in the comics
refer to
>I can only empathise with a character if he is EXACTLY like me.
The reason people liked early Marvel characters is because they had some relatable issues, not because they fully represented an everyman that could be you. This obsession with having characters that have to be exactly like you has led to all this bad modern crap.
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It's crazy how much people repeat the same moronic piece of misinformation. It's the same tier as when entitled c**ts go to a store and yell, >"THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT"
in the employees faces, completely misunderstanding what that phrase actually means.
Peter isn't relatable because of his personality or skills; he's relatable because he still has to deal with regular people problems at the end of the day.
>Cloned multiple times >Sold his marriage to a devil >Ex-CEO of a billion dollar tech start-up
I don't think you understand or accept how far away Peter has moved from his early years in the comics. You have to go back a very long time ago to see anything resembling a relatable Spider-Man.
multiple times >>Sold his marriage to a devil >>Ex-CEO of a billion dollar tech start-up >I don't think you understand or accept how far away Peter has moved from his early years in the comics
Huh, almost like there's a correlation between that and people largely preferring the era of Spider-Man between the 60s and the 80s.
>Tech geniuses in Marvel are everywhere, organic webshooters makes Peter more unique
So, just remove everything that it does for Peter's character and action simply for trying to attain the unattainable ideal of being "unique"?
How about we get rid of the 9 different "spider-men"; that'll make Peter more unique.
What does Peter being a giga genius do for him that other characters like Pym couldn't do just as well?
90% of the time nonorganic shooters are just a convenient excuse for him to run out of web fluid.
He'd still run out of Fluid even if he had organic webbing. Just replace reloading with taking a nap and eating lunch. You can't run without a refreshing period either, couldn't Peter create infinite webs.
He makes himself Spider-Man, in that way. Plus, the versatility of the web-shooters offer a lot more creative uses than the alternative.
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The 90's cartoon had an episode where he explains his webshooter to a terminally ill girl and he showcases that his webshooters can be shifted to not only throw the web as a string but also spray it like a bug repellant, make ropes that connect into each other, etc. The web shooter can be a really cool tool if the writers remember they are a thing at all.
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See, the organic/mechanical combination grosses me out even more than regular organic. Too medical. Gives the impression that there's a frickin IV in his arm which sucks the shit into the mechanical spinner.
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What? The 90's cartoon was 100% mechanical. He explained that when he got his powers, he instinctively learned how to mix certain enzymes to create his webs and he uses cartridges he designed to use them later. He even explains that the webs self decompose in a matter of hours.
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Oh, I never watched far enough to get to that episode. Yeah, that version is definitely the "best" if you're going for a semblance of realism.
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Yeah, the Web shooter allow him to make a bunch of complex webs he wouldn't otherwise.
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and he mixed up an acid webbing to dissolve Rhino's suit, and a rubberized batch to fight Electro.
It's a gadget like what Batman uses. I don't understand why this blows Raimigays' minds so thoroughly.
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Wait until you see the reaction when they learn his wallcrawling isn't from little barbs on his fingers.
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To be fair, that was never given any explanation until years later. Super-setules make about as much sense as magnitism, or whatever the frick it was that they settled on.
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Is it from the Spider Force?
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>I don't understand why this blows Raimigays' minds so thoroughly.
They can't get passed the "why doesn't he have organic webs" part
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He's an one tricky pony, a guy just as smart as Iron Man and Ant Man only use this same weak tool over and over, he's limited by plot, everything about his character is restrained by plot.
no it turns him into a generic superhero, makes him much much less interesting. Especially the whole no kill thing when his powers come build in with the most useful harmless weapon
OP here, this has nothing to do with Peter being more “relatable” or whatever the frick, I just think web shooters are lame and gay, why the frick would he have to build his own webs after getting bitten by a radioactive spider? That doesn’t make any fricking sense, theres a reason Raimi’s spidey is the most popular, I don’t have any issues with Peter being “smart” either it makes sense considering a dumbass would get himself killed with Peter’s powers instantly, but him being a stark banner reed richards ass homie is dumb and takes away from the magic of spiderman
Its simple: make the webs natural and have him use his big brain to create web bombs and shit out of his own fluid, how hard is that? Im not here to argue with boomers who think tradition should never be reworked despite proven results and zoomers who think Peter should be literally them, web shooters just fricking gay
Just about any Spidey series pre-Maximum Carnage is good. seriously, even the less than great ones are still fun.
Like I just randomly picked Web of Spider-Man #40 to read the other day and it's a pretty solid little arc even if not world shattering or of NEVER BE THE SAME significance.
Peter made his own shooters in the original Spdey comics, zoomer.
I know, thats why I said Raimi got it right and his Spidey is the most iconic now, web shooters are gay
peter was super smart in the raimi movies though
As someone mentioned we're told that he's smart
>We're told that he helped Harry throughout highschool
>We're told that he makes good grades
>We're told that he's one of Conners best students
Honestly Spider-Man 2/3 is when we really see him "use" his smarts, like when Peter and Otto are talking about the self sustaining sun, or Peter connecting the dots between Venons weakness
That's actually very true. In the Raimi films they always SAY Peter is smart but he never shows it. In fact, everything is did and told to him rather than him doing his own research or practices. That's kind of bad. I understand that he's supposed to be a down on his luck everyman but his intellect is how he gets by in order to beat his villains or hell make a living, besides punching them.
>SAY Peter is smart but he never shows it
Him being smart is used in subtle ways, like in SM1 when he wrote that report about Osborn, and having Norman showing he's more impressed with him than his own son. Or his intelligence leading him to meet doc ock in S2
Peter finding the error in Otto's calculations is the only time in three movies that he SHOWS he's smart.
My dude. That's still only the movie telling us he is smart. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the thing the symbiote hurts is the thing that hurt it last time. If anything it makes him look a bit stupid for figuring it out this late into the fight
I never said Peter cant be super smart, the tech genius stuff is the bs, particularly the web shooters
I Raimi had "gotten it right" with organic web shooters then the web would come out of Peters ass. As opposed to what we know goes into Peter's ass. * See Spider-Man and Power Pack, NCPCA comic.
>See Spider-Man and Power Pack, NCPCA comic.
QRD?
I think he's referencing that time they wrote Peter to be a victim of childhood molestation.
Frickin' Skip.
But they were small and hidden, it looked like it was coming out of him
I'll say it, having a super-spider bite him and allow him to shoot webs is a lot more believable than a teenage creating super-strength webbing.
>having a super-spider bite him and allow him to shoot webs is a lot more believable than a teenage creating super-strength webbing
realism once again getting in the way of storytelling. what an autistic reason to say that a fricking sci-fi comic book hero should change: """realism"""
Show off Peter's smarts and resourcefulness.
Without them, he ends up like Raimi peter, constantly told he's smart but never acts like it.
Did you respond to the wrong post?
Yes.
I thought you were going to say a boring homosexual.
But okay.
Him having a tiny tiny little organ in his wrist able to shoot an organic string with enough force to instantaneously reach rooftops in the sheer volumes he does makes MUCH less "realistic" sense than the idea of "its a sci-fi gadget that does it."
it's a superhero comic, I don't give a frick about it making sense when there's people who already magically generate infinite mass or energy for other bullshit. I just like it when his powerset is more innately thematic to being a fricking spider-man.
Yeah it's a superhero comic but even then you're admitting that there's too much nuance to it and you need it to be dumbed down even further.
He chose the Spider theme as a stage persona. He made the costume and gadgets to use in his show. Sticking to walls and spider-sense enhanced strength/speed are his innate radioactive spider-powers.
Stan Lee himself wrote in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 that it was a form of static cling, so it wasn't THAT long after his creation that they started using the molecular bond/atomic attraction blah blah explanation.
oops I meant to reply to
Raimi spidey was still a science genuis.
The biology is completely wrong, the webbing doesnt come out of a spiders wrists, the webbing would come out of Tobey Maguire's ass if they did 5 minutes of fricking research.
Raimi also had peter be a homophobic nazi so I would take his takes with a grain of salt
>homophobic nazi
said every self loathing hypocrite pretending to be a liberal
I'm sorry but some of his comments were really beyond the pale. I get that it was a different time, but the "not so bad" comment about fricking Hitler of all people was a bridge too far. In an ostensible children's film to boot.
For me it was the Lincoln Rockwell quote that was the straw that broke the camels back
It's a joke.
It's a poor and tired one.
It was a joke, sperg.
But spiderman was a homophobic nazi in the original comics. Don't you remember when the SSimbiote merged with him and gave him his most kino suit?
>make one boyfriend joke in the first movie
>People are b***hing to this day
Get over it
No, instead show that he's a preternaturally enterprising, gifted young man. For once.
Raimitards are the cancer, and maguire """"spider-man""""is nothing like the real deal.
Comic genius = magic and Spidermans intellect is a huge part of the character.
>Comic genius = magic and Spidermans intellect is a huge part of the character.
this
His super genius is nothing but an excuse to increase the wish fullfilment and self inserting.
That too
>it's another Web Shooters v Organic Web Shooters thread
Why are we never having "web armpits vs no web armpits" shiposts?
Those would feel more original at this point.
Web armpits are the flyest shit.
Because most people don't have an opinion either way, and if you do have an opinion you like the armpit webs.
Because the suit can work with or without them.
Web armpits will always be the superior choice for Spider-Man (highschool/college era) Honestly I can see him ditching them after the black suit symbiote arc/cloth version of the black suit.
Because anyone who thinks sans web-pits are better are also too moronic to use a computer.
reminder
The frick is that grip Spidey has on MJ? Looks like her neck would snap from whiplash.
>The frick is that grip Spidey has on MJ?
The grip of an amateur spidersona who thinks he can be spider-man
Based, "muh anyone can be spidey" SJWs btfo
I'd do fine as Spider-man because I'd just metagame with comic book knowledge and stack other characters stuff on my own.
>Steal the formula for Shockers suit and use it on my own.
>Actually Utilize stark and Pym tech
>Treat the symbiot like an actual person and work out an actually symbiotic relationship with it
>Ask Dr. Strange for some protective enchantments
>Marry Black cat and team up permanently
>Marry Black Cat and team up permanently
Very based.
Can you make one that also has Gwen's head pasted over MJ's head too?
Kek but he's be celebrated for finally making Spider-Man a good character for the first time by liberals
No otherwise literally anybody could have got bitten by the spider, Peter being the only one who could actually become spiderman is great. There is no point in him being a nerd or anything if he is just a shmuck with powers like everyone else.
Also there is the whole thing of him consciously creating non-lethal gadgets to use, if he is just magically given non lethal webbing it's kind of cheating because he has no reason to kill people
>literally anybody coulve been bitten by a spider
Wasnt that Stan Lee's whole point of the character? Anybody could be spiderman? Anybody could be a hero?
That was BS he came up with later. His point was to have a teenage hero named spider-man and peter parker. That was the extent of his input into the character. Stan came up with names and very basic concepts. Everything else, plot-wise, was Ditko, and Ditko made Peter better than his peers, not an everyman.
Stan Lee creates embellished stories as time goes on and these anecdotes get wrapped up in so much. One story he says how later on, not initially, he realised that a lot of heroes had half masks and Spider-Man having a full mask meant that people could self insert better.
This, the whole "Spider-Man as an everyman" is something they started saying later and wasn't their initial intention. Marvel just found a pattern that stuck of hero with relatable issue which related to their audience specifically. Did some people self insert as the character? Sure, but even Stan admits that a lot of the building wasn't on purpose. The whole "Marvel is the world outside your window" is more marketing style phrases they get later.
He wasn't intended to be an everyman, they just took that idea that he was from some of the audience and letters to add it to their marketing.
If a normal person used Web shooters, the force alone would break your arm realistically. You'd still need Peter's spider agility and endurance To use them.
Peter Parker being a supergenius is a retcon and ruined the character premise in several ways, Lee and Dikto thought the gadgets were not such a big deal at the time.
Yeah it came from a time where basically every comic character could invent something revolutionary from scratch provided they were considered "smart types"
I don't know why no writers ever went for a middle ground: natural webs that Spidey shoots from his writs, and webshooters to shape it into a strand or a wide net depending on the situation, like a hose nozzle
That's nasty as frick gurl that's why.
Mechanical, mechanical, mechanical. Say it with me. Mechanical, mechanical, mechanical, mechanical, mechanical, mechanical, mechanical, mechanical
You're all fricking moronic, I can't believe no one in this thread has simply consolidated it all together into a correct opinion.
Mechanical web shooters are a million times cooler, you can have gadgets like web bomb, he can run out which makes for good story if you use it right.
AND YET, I agree that Peter should not be a Banner-tier genius. He's not comparable. Peter is a handy tech person with scattered knowledge across other scientific subjects
He should just be *really smart*, not a 12-phd genius. In the Marvel universe it's not so far fetched that the web shooters are impressive, but not a huge deal in comparison to Richards' tech and Iron Man's suits
truth
Every time I try to get back into Spider comics, Parker or whoever is Spider-Man at the time is always working for some big company with unappealing names similar to "Globo Tech". Picked up some Spider-Man in 2012, Parker was talking about his totally cool awesome job at inventing stuff, where he only has to come in to work once every four months and crank out a totally amazing invention. Blech. 10 years later, picked up a Spider-Man comic in 2022, same thing but with Ben Reilly as Parker, working for a shady sinister big corp inventing tech blah blah.
Stop reading new, shitty Spider-Man. That's your problem.
The comics largely stopped being good after the 80s. Just read Amazing Fantasy #15, then Amazing Spider-Man #1 - 300. That'll give you the essentials, and stop you around the time when it starts to shit itself.
For the films for normie audiences?
Yes.
For the comics?
They have real problems to fix, like constantly shitting on Peter.
The frick are you talking about? His origin was one of the most original. He didn't develop his tech to be a hero, he used his genius to further his stage/tv career. It was an IRRESPONSIBLE use of his POWER...see how that fits thematically?
Him having organics is fine to streamline his origin story in order to fit it a film's three-act structure but him being a tech genius is a defining aspect of the character and organics diminishes his application of that genius to his costumed persona.
Also, frick you you don't know better than Lee-Ditko on what makes a story good.
Ty anon, insane how zoomers have no reverence for storytelling. Their opinions are just soulless mental gymnastic validations of shit they personally like
>BRO RAIMI SPIDER-MAN IS THE GOAT BRO HES THE MOST ICONIC BRO HES THE MOST ACCURATE
>WHATS THAT?
>HES NOT THE MOST ACCURATE, THERE'S NUANCE TO IT?
>BRO IDC ABOUT ACCURACY BRO WHO CARES ABOUT FRICKING 60S COMICS BRO ALL COMICS ARE TRASH BRO FRICK COMICS BRO RAIMI SPIDER-MAN IS THE MOST ICONIC VERSION BRO HE'S THE BEST ONE BRO
>Peter is a supergenius
>instead of using his Hank Pym lvl genius to help mankind in constructive way through new technology or social projects he spend all day punching random thugs of a single city with a hundred active superheroes
>"with great powers comes great responsablity"
>single city with a hundred active superheroes
X-Men are thirty minutes outside the city and mostly operate on Mutant causes and world-ending events.
The Fantastic Four are always off saving a random planet or dimension.
The Avengers aren't always together but usually get sucked into their own shit be it drama or villains.
Daredevil operates at night.
When Spider-Man came around, no one was protecting New York City IN GENERAL. During the day. In there with the rest of the citizens.
Spidey is the civilian hero, that's why he's the one that stops runaway trucks instead of the whole fricking X-Men coming out.
Have some taste and brain capacity for storytelling and stop thinking of everything in terms of
>BUT IF DIS THING HAPPENS
>THEN HOW DOES THIS THING HAPPEN!!!! IMMERSION RUINED!!!!!
Most Fantastic 4 fights are not outside earth, Peter was never the only active superhero in New York and now he's just another one among an army. He's wasting his world changing talents to punch robbers, new inventions save hundreds to billions of lives.
>you can't focus on living a good life while keeping your entire fricking city, the most important city in the usa, safe
>you HAVE to burn yourself out for hypothetical cures you have no fricking clue how to make
Yes they have, that's the whole point of the character and his little philosophy, they are wasting the great power that is his super mind wich is far greater than webs and petty criminals, Reed, Banner and Pym are changing the world while they beatsome c-list rogues
>He's wasting his world changing talents to punch robbers
It sort of feels like you're missing the entire point of the character. Something about power... and responsibility?
Oh, I forget. The line is so seldomly said, after all.
He did all of that in the movie without the tech, times have changed grandpa
It’s a 20 year old movie, gaygoo. he uses shooters in the newest and second newest versions
>helping yourself is irresponsible
In the context of the story, yeah,the whole point is Pete gets up his own ass with his newfound success and refuses to even help others out of general bitterness towards his school life ultimately culminating in a dead Uncle Ben.
Ironically, they would end up being a great scientist who would improve the world rather than a self destructive violent vigilante.
Maybe would've made a great scientist, but he would've been a shitty and selfish person. Peter isn't willing to be that person after the events of Amazing Fantasy #15, though.
>Spiderman
Casual detected; opinion invalidated.
if spider-man couldn't make web shooters and didn't have natural webs he'd have to learn to jump higher and do parkours
Him building his own webshooters is fine
It's the equivalent of someone modifying a piece of equipment that they own somethin that they own
That doesn't make him a super genius
But having him be Tony stark level or reed richards level intellect is just ridiculous and takes away from his relatability
>takes away from his relatability
Peter's personality/traits have never been relatable, though. The only the relatable about him has always been the fact that he has to deal with normal people problems.
>Peter's personality/traits have never been relatable, though
in what fricking world, I know like three guys who I'd say remind me of classic 616 Peter
>I know like three guys who I'd say remind me of classic 616 Peter
So, you're a burgeoning school shooter?
>burgeoning school shooter?
I actually hate how everyone thinks that about him. When he really doesn't have a school shooter mentality.
He certainly had that same anti-social streak. The lesson learned from Uncle Ben's death definitely deterred him from acting on those impulses, but he still had it in him until college.
Hell, he momentarily considers letting Flash stay captured by Doctor Doom when Flash dressed up as Spider-Man and was mistaken for Peter.
>Hell, he momentarily considers letting Flash stay captured by Doctor Doom
Let's be honest he was just humoring himself
I think it's a simplistic breakdown of school shooters when Pete's mentality seems a lot more withdrawn than retaliatory. Pete is the "I'll be rich while you move to New Jersey to pump gas" kind of revenge fantasy, not the "systematically torture and murder everyone he resents" revenge fantasy.
>Pete's mentality seems a lot more withdrawn than retaliatory
I'm not sure that's true. That image I posted wasn't a one-time example of Peter wanting to hurt Flash. Hell, he literally gets sick of Flash's bullshit at one point and fights him in front of everybody. He uses his power to punch Flash across the ring.
>he literally gets sick of Flash's bullshit at one point and fights him in front of everybody. He uses his power to punch Flash across the ring.
Rightfully so too. Btw that's one of my favorite issues
he's always been Reed Richards level potential, screwed over by the world. That is relatable to the sort of smart nerd that will never actualise as a CEO
While I think Peter should still be super smart, I do find it really cool how his body transformed in the Raimi trilogy
seeing so much body horror was cool. I wish they'd bring it back in more movies. Especially for a character like Hulk
Peter never Actually using his Smarts, he's my Biggest problems with the Raimi films.
The entire time we're told how smart Peter is by other equally smart characters Connors, Norman, Otto. But he never actually shows his intellect. Relaying on spidey sense and Brute strength during fights/crime fighting.
He wouldn't even need Web shooters to show that off, him building simple gadgets like in the Ditto/lee days would be enough. Like using a vacuum to defeat sandman or Rubber gloves to take out electro. Raimi Pete never does anything like that.
>Like using a vacuum to defeat sandman or Rubber gloves to take out electro.
You don't need to be a super genius to do that.
I didn't say he did. But still, both of those are Smart Actions. And they show that he's smart and resourceful. Raimi peter never does anything like that. Name one time Raimi peter does anything like that. Or anytime where being a Smart kid, top of his classes ever actual benefits him.
Because Raimi peter only ever solves a problem with his fists.
Peter was a tech genius first, the powers came after.
>I can only empathise with a character if he is EXACTLY like me.
The reason people liked early Marvel characters is because they had some relatable issues, not because they fully represented an everyman that could be you. This obsession with having characters that have to be exactly like you has led to all this bad modern crap.
It's crazy how much people repeat the same moronic piece of misinformation. It's the same tier as when entitled c**ts go to a store and yell,
>"THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT"
in the employees faces, completely misunderstanding what that phrase actually means.
Peter isn't relatable because of his personality or skills; he's relatable because he still has to deal with regular people problems at the end of the day.
>he's relatable because he still has to deal with regular people problems at the end of the day.
Exactly. That's what people responded to. I feel like this is the same thing as the obsession with some form of realism. It is another loaded term that people don't fully know what they want. Peter worried about his aunt and money and social issues. People liked that. The same with the FF still having family troubles.
>I feel like this is the same thing as the obsession with some form of realism
Thank God somebody else notices this. There's large swaths of audiences that will use realism to excuse any form of bad writing, ignoring that realism isn't the ultimate ideal to be achieved when writing. Writing realistic dialogue is certainly a useful skill, but you can't let it get in the way of coherently telling the story you're trying to tell.
The web shooters makes peter more reletable than the magic web anus, any frick can build gadgets that shoot sperm how many people on Earth could get bitten by a radioactive spider and shit out spiderwebs?
>The web shooters makes peter more reletable
No it doesn't if anything it just have him make anything on the fly. Which isn't a bad thing btw
You missed the point I was making entirely. The relatable part of Spider-Man were his personal issues. You don't need every facet of his character to be relatable. Which is the mistake the OP is making. I prefer web shooters
Web shooters are fine but what the frick is that design?
I get what they're going for with a more realistic look but the spare cartridges on the wrist are too much.
Just do the little square cartridges that sit flush and that he keeps in his belt, they figured that shit out years ago.
Marvel can't design a simple iconic costume and think over designed bulkshit = better.
Webshooters I get.
What I don't get is the cartridges. Wouldn't that be clunky and weird? Would some sort of camel-back full of the juice throw off his silhouette too much?
Though then I guess any time his suit ripped along his arms you'd have to write him only having one shooter thereafter.
They went overboard with the tech genius thing. Giving Peter a general interest is fine but he should have been limited to one expertise like chemistry or biology. Making him Reed Richards lite goes against the everyman vibe he used to have in the comics. That said, the web shooters are fine. The tech may be fanciful in real life but it is relatively simple shit in the floppies. Some chemicals available at local NYC highschools, a small pressurized canister, a nozel and a mechanical trigger isn't too hard to get. To emphasize this in universe, they should have kids regularly do science projects replicating the damn things.
To be fair this tech genius criticism is a problem with all these clever heroes being multi disclipinary that begans to take away from their individual character.
>Making him Reed Richards lite goes against the everyman vibe he used to have in the comics
refer to
&
, casual.
>Cloned multiple times
>Sold his marriage to a devil
>Ex-CEO of a billion dollar tech start-up
I don't think you understand or accept how far away Peter has moved from his early years in the comics. You have to go back a very long time ago to see anything resembling a relatable Spider-Man.
multiple times
>>Sold his marriage to a devil
>>Ex-CEO of a billion dollar tech start-up
>I don't think you understand or accept how far away Peter has moved from his early years in the comics
Huh, almost like there's a correlation between that and people largely preferring the era of Spider-Man between the 60s and the 80s.
Being smart doesn't make you any less of an everyman.
Is a guy not an everyman because he's great at sports.
Because that's what you're saying
Goddamn. IRL if you're kinda smart or went to college...you're not superior and your life doesn't get much better.
Stop pretending otherwise. b***h ass academia worshipping fricktards.
Stop shoehorning, anon; Peter was never an everyman.
Describe what an everyman is in your own words.
an ordinary or typical human being. Peter is far from ordinary or typical. he isn't removed from problems that regular people face, though.
So by your definition he's nit.
But he chooses to live the same life as everyone else.
>So by your definition he's nit
I've never heard this turn of phrase before. Peter definitely isn't a parasite, if that's what you mean to imply.
I mean not
Yeah it'll be like if Wolverine's claws with just some mechanical weapon anyone can make. At this point he wouldn't feel supernatural
>t. casual who only casually views spider-man content
That's not going to change my point but ok
It won't, but it'll give clarity to people who actually read Spider-Man as to why somebody would be saying such a trite opinion.
And your opinion would be "Web shooter is better because it was in the comic books" right?
No, it has Peter make himself Spider-Man--and the web-shooters offer a lot more versatility.
>gets bitten by a radioactive spider
>gives him all the characteristics of a spider except making webs, the most defining characteristic of a spider
Thats moronic
sort of like he made himself spider-man... huh...
Tech geniuses in Marvel are everywhere, organic webshooters makes Peter more unique. Cunning-but-not-4D-chess Peter is best Peter.
>Tech geniuses in Marvel are everywhere, organic webshooters makes Peter more unique
So, just remove everything that it does for Peter's character and action simply for trying to attain the unattainable ideal of being "unique"?
How about we get rid of the 9 different "spider-men"; that'll make Peter more unique.
What does Peter being a giga genius do for him that other characters like Pym couldn't do just as well?
90% of the time nonorganic shooters are just a convenient excuse for him to run out of web fluid.
>What does Peter being a giga genius
We're not talking about Peter being a "giga genius"; we're talking about the web-shooters. Stay on topic.
He'd still run out of Fluid even if he had organic webbing. Just replace reloading with taking a nap and eating lunch. You can't run without a refreshing period either, couldn't Peter create infinite webs.
>couldn't create infinite webs
What does being a tech wiz do for Peter outside of being a plot device so he can asspull himself out of ridiculous situations?
>What does being a tech wiz do for Peter
refer to
and restate your question.
What do the web shooters do for Peter’s character?
He makes himself Spider-Man, in that way. Plus, the versatility of the web-shooters offer a lot more creative uses than the alternative.
The 90's cartoon had an episode where he explains his webshooter to a terminally ill girl and he showcases that his webshooters can be shifted to not only throw the web as a string but also spray it like a bug repellant, make ropes that connect into each other, etc. The web shooter can be a really cool tool if the writers remember they are a thing at all.
See, the organic/mechanical combination grosses me out even more than regular organic. Too medical. Gives the impression that there's a frickin IV in his arm which sucks the shit into the mechanical spinner.
What? The 90's cartoon was 100% mechanical. He explained that when he got his powers, he instinctively learned how to mix certain enzymes to create his webs and he uses cartridges he designed to use them later. He even explains that the webs self decompose in a matter of hours.
Oh, I never watched far enough to get to that episode. Yeah, that version is definitely the "best" if you're going for a semblance of realism.
Yeah, the Web shooter allow him to make a bunch of complex webs he wouldn't otherwise.
and he mixed up an acid webbing to dissolve Rhino's suit, and a rubberized batch to fight Electro.
It's a gadget like what Batman uses. I don't understand why this blows Raimigays' minds so thoroughly.
Wait until you see the reaction when they learn his wallcrawling isn't from little barbs on his fingers.
To be fair, that was never given any explanation until years later. Super-setules make about as much sense as magnitism, or whatever the frick it was that they settled on.
Is it from the Spider Force?
>I don't understand why this blows Raimigays' minds so thoroughly.
They can't get passed the "why doesn't he have organic webs" part
He's an one tricky pony, a guy just as smart as Iron Man and Ant Man only use this same weak tool over and over, he's limited by plot, everything about his character is restrained by plot.
no it turns him into a generic superhero, makes him much much less interesting. Especially the whole no kill thing when his powers come build in with the most useful harmless weapon
OP here, this has nothing to do with Peter being more “relatable” or whatever the frick, I just think web shooters are lame and gay, why the frick would he have to build his own webs after getting bitten by a radioactive spider? That doesn’t make any fricking sense, theres a reason Raimi’s spidey is the most popular, I don’t have any issues with Peter being “smart” either it makes sense considering a dumbass would get himself killed with Peter’s powers instantly, but him being a stark banner reed richards ass homie is dumb and takes away from the magic of spiderman
Its simple: make the webs natural and have him use his big brain to create web bombs and shit out of his own fluid, how hard is that? Im not here to argue with boomers who think tradition should never be reworked despite proven results and zoomers who think Peter should be literally them, web shooters just fricking gay
We know you're a homosexual, OP. There was no need to expound on it.
Sounds dumb
You're as stupid as that plant in your picture.
Why do "realistic" organicgays never acknowledge the massive gaping holes Peter would need to have in his wrists for it to work?
Almost like hes a fictional character homie
Yeah it's all fictional but you still have to explain why no one would notice the holes in his wrist
Artificial shooters increase his versatility.
Always liked it how sometimes he can customize his webbing for specific encounters.
Which spidey comic do you guys recc I read?
Just about any Spidey series pre-Maximum Carnage is good. seriously, even the less than great ones are still fun.
Like I just randomly picked Web of Spider-Man #40 to read the other day and it's a pretty solid little arc even if not world shattering or of NEVER BE THE SAME significance.
On behalf of all Raimi Spidergays, you don't speak for us, kindly frick off