Fpbp. I’d say the same. I looked back recently through the seasons Ave was actually surprised for how many seasons had episodes I enjoyed. Somewhere around season 8-9 the ratio does start to turn tho. And eventually you reach a season where all the episodes suck. I still like the gang overall and I’m enjoying their podcast but the tv show has been pretty bad the last few seasons.
She looks good again going by the podcast vid the other night. The fillers and shit that made her ghoulish in a way I didn't think she'd bounce back from, but yeah looks great. She rulz
When this b***h left the show at the end of Season 12, just to pussy out and immediately return next season.
Yeah the self indulgent dance was the cherry on top off that shit sundae of season 13, but aside from Times up, that entire season blew, and it’s never really recovered from Glenn killing their momentum to go play pg13 Dennis with Patton oswalt.
that was a good episode, though. pic related was the true beginning of the end. it was the first episode where they showed regret for their old comedy being offensive, and essentially conceded that political correctness would influence their writing going forward.
>acknowledge that their best seasons in the pod and where it all went downhill on their.
so what did they say their best seasons where and where it went wrong?
Sorry I cant remember the specific one, more recent pod if I remember. Charlie says season 7 is where they peaked. They didnt really like how their character continued to get "goofier."
Rob refuses to admit they are "ruining their legacy" and mentions they will continue to make new eps for as long as they can. They had people call in asking how they should end the show and I guess some Irishman gave Rob an earful but had a good idea on how to end it.
rob seems like a homosexual, he was probably the one pushing for mac to come out as gay rather than jst have it be a running joke. seems like he takes himself super seriously now
He did a interview with Colbert right before the pandemic that was cringe as all frick. It was as if he was walking on eggshells around all topics. Strange shit.
He did a interview with Colbert right before the pandemic that was cringe as all frick. It was as if he was walking on eggshells around all topics. Strange shit.
Rob will get actually penetrated by man in their last episode and then come out as homosexual on the podcast after talking about the episode.
Also, someone must have told them or they get in Cinemaphile, because the past could of podcasts they were making fun of how Glen has bogged himself
>Rob refuses to admit they are "ruining their legacy" and mentions they will continue to make new eps for as long as they can. They had people call in asking how they should end the show and I guess some Irishman gave Rob an earful but had a good idea on how to end it.
Are there any good clips of these?
They are still funny but it is noticeable that they have been drawn in by wokeism and feel that they have to use their position to save the world with preachy BS.
>"Do I want to vote for the Republican who is gonna blast me in the ass or the Democrat whose gonna blast me in the ass?" >"Tee Hee Rudy Giuliani hair dye lmfao. Now watch this pride dance!"
Go back to sucking dick you homosexual
>Gives example of how they actually made fun of both side in early seasons >Gives examples how they now pander to the left >"Hurr durr see you made my point"
Liberal brainlet
>M-MUH liberal boogeyman
Did you think the Christian abortion and meth episodes of the first season were talking in your favor you fricking conservetard? Did you also think the gang isn't constantly talking out of their asses to sound more intelligent with their 'both sides are stupid but I am smart'. How illiterate in media do you have to be to think this way lmao
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Too much Reddit in your post to justify with a response. So I'll just leave you with this GIF of you watching the Rudy Giuliani episode
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>Conservatard can't read and moves the goalpost when threatened in his narrative
LOL. Fitting quite the stereotype the show established. You probably thought the gang throwing out potential cash because they hate the gays in season 1 was a positive thing as well since you're so dumb
Think it was season 11 with the ending of them sinking in the cruise ship, probably the best ending to sitcom ever but they had to just keep going, now they are some cucked liberal shit, many such cases
season 6 is when the slide began
it accelerated in 8
10 was the first time there were more bad episodes than good ones in a season
11 had the last great episode
12 had the last good episode (for a while)
13 was fricking unbearable.
15 managed to get the first laugh out loud moment since 11.
Mac's faces are funny, but the true comedy comes right after the clip cuts out.
>Father. I'm gonna be alone in the seminary with him? In the rectory? I mean, these are very triggering words. I will S and F him into oblivion. I mean, he looks like Paul Bunyan. I need more of like a... Elmer Fudd. You got any Fudds? Let me take a look. Oh yeah. What about this guy? What's his story? >Gus? >Gus. Yeah, I ain't falling in love with Gus. Give me him.
This is one of the few times in the entire show where Mac's performance actually made the lines funnier than they should have been. It also had the benefit of coming off multiple years of complete unfunniness. While it may not have gotten a laugh if it were it in the high water mark of season 4, it was a riot in 15.
think I'd agree with this. the show really should have ended with the cruise episodes. would have been a perfect ending and the show was already in decline at that point. I still haven't watched seasons 14 or 15 because 13 was so bad
My guess is that WAS the planned ending, but when they decided to keep making the show forever, they went ahead and shot it anyways. It has a very Seinfeld finale tone to it.
>13 was so bad
Time’s Up for The Gang and The Gang Gets New Wheels are pretty good, especially for late season standards, but season 13 is pretty terrible overall.
>won a contest >related to someone on the show >has blackmail on someone >casting director 'aving a laff and daring someone to call him out as atrocious
these are the only reasons i can think of him being on the show.
When's the last time you watched 12? It had plenty of (relatively) good stuff. Dennis in Water Park was good. PTSDee, Gang Tends Bar, Cricket's Tale, and even Wolf Cola all had decent gags. Again, this is all grading on a curve of post-peak Sunny.
As soon as the cameras got good, the show's decline began. Same case with Trailer Park Boys. The shows weren't immediately bad, but both became a bit too self-referential. The same thing happens to Seinfeld in the last two seasons (how many times does George say 'George is getting upset'?)
After Fat Mac.
This season displayed the ultimate devotion of the show's creators (self destruction) and following it was a slow unwillingness to accept its conclusion.
I've watched a few seasons of Futurama and very little of it actually made me laugh but I've watched very very little of sunny so maybe it's worth trying
Futurama kind of had to be viewed as a teen. I wouldn't find it as funny now. But it has a lot of math jokes and stuff that gets you on a second watch. Also, just some top tier tv writing. The Devils Hands Are Idle Playthings, Luck of the Fryrish, and Jurassic Bark are all 10/10 episodes of tv.
Season 7 was when the slow decline began. S6 is when they finally got sponsors and the product placement was becoming obvious. Rob Mcelhenney is a homosexual IRL.
Everything after S7 except for "Mac & Dennis move the suburbs" and "Old Lady House". I feel like they could still make something great if they fire Megan Ganz and bring back Fred Savage. Maybe have Mac wake up from a bad dream and retcon every episode they've made in the past 10 years to give their fans the finale season they deserve. Bring back that hot troony that was played by a real woman, too.
Mac would be the one to get cancelled since he's a leftists cuck. Charlie and Glen would tell them to piss off. Charlie repeatedly said Black person in the first episode and he is the most successful
That's what disappoints me the most. Every episode they did is part of what made them successful but now they're going to scrunch their noses up and look down on their own work. The latest podcast was a prime example when Dee was cringing at the dark meat/white meat scene.
Very few comedians and comic actors are unapologetic for how they became successful. If the feel so bad about it they should sign away their royalties to blm and the NAACP. Mention that, and they will flip quick.
that's the b***h that ruins the podcast by bringing up shit like "toxic masculinity." way to go rob for bringing in this feminist c**t onto your staff.
That b***h got hired as a writer on community because she made a lot of posts on the community subreddit. She destroyed that show, now Sunny. It's a good thing no other good shows exist, or else she'd ruin them as well.
I enjoyed it. I enjoy it even more after the north water
The noir episode too. >Thank God you're all right. >I am, but Vince isn't. He's going to wake up with his head pounding harder than a Chinese crossword puzzle. >Huh? >Was that... that one wasn't clear? >No. >Well, I'm running out of them you know, it's - point is, I took care of him.
Season 4 is the last complete season. Season 5 is when it starts to get a tad hit or miss. But after season 5 it goes off a cliff. You still get the odd episode, but that's about it. When they die on the boat, the season after, it is actually unbearable to watch.
For a long time I thought the episodes of 5 and 6 were later seasons because some were very meh, when I actually saw what was in s7-s11 on rewatch I was surprised how bad some were.
The season with the Wade Boggs episode was the last one I watched because the episodes were very noticably weaker. I do love the Wade Boggs episode, that's why it's the one I remember, but most were completely meh.
Season 7 was the point of not return for me. After season 7 I guess they all got mad that people liked the characters and so they decided to make them all despicable villains instead of self-centered morons
That's just flanderisation, it happens with most shows, they even point it out in a later episode where Dennis goes on a rant about how they've all "become so god damn weird"
>have millions of dollars between the three of you >Build some cutrate shitty podcast studio >Do lions share of shows in your fricking kitchen >Charlie day is the only one man enough to do it in some spare room/office
These Black folk have fricking mansions, and they can't be bothered to move a desk into one of the many empty rooms of their home? And they can't afford real mics? Or real cameras? No they have to use the 400 dollar Lenovos they got from Walmart....
Frick all of them
Everyone else is complaining that too much production value ruins the comedy, you are the only one hoping that they sacrifice time to work on their comedy for production value.
I haven't watched the most recent season but the fact that they have an episode dedicated to calling out their use of blackface in the older episodes. The whole point of those fricking jokes in the first place was pointing out how unconvincing and awful the blackface looked when characters like Mac and Dee wore it. Are people really so moronic now that they don't understand what the context is?
Episode where Frank steals a ferry and says all that THIS ONE TIME crap in a remember when way was when I noticed it taking a steep down turn and Dennis and Dee looking visibly old and Dee bogging herself.
When they started to try an be south park by talking about "this years relevant issues!". The characters also aren't the same people they were in the earlier seasons, they're basically just caricatures now.
When Mac came out of the closet and Charlie banged the waitress in the same season. They killed off two running jokes and nothing can replace them. Mac being openly gay isn't as funny as him Being homophobic while not realizing how gay he's acting. The whole Interpretive dance scene just felt weird and out of place for the show. I kept waiting for there to be a punchline, but there wasn't. Plus the show has lost it's edge over time. The gang has become uncharacteristically self aware. Every now and Then there's an extra line of dialogue that feels like The creator's wokeness coming through. I vaguely remember a scene in season 15 where there was a line about vaccinations or something that felt really off for the show.
Charlie progressing with the Waitress in some way doesn't bother me as much as Mac coming out. That destroyed Mac's character entirely, because you're right. Him being a fundamentalist Christian, 80s action movie badass stereotype (in his head), and obsessed with masculinity while also being obviously gay to everyone except himself is why he was funny. He was my favorite character next to Dennis and now I feel nothing when he's on screen.
This is still the most baffling decision the show has made. Were they just unable to come up with more jokes and ideas about Mac being a closeted gay man so they decided to have him come out and end it? The whole reason why the gay jokes were funny in the first place was that Mac looked down upon gay people to begin with.
The only silver lining to it that I can think of is that it's lead to a new running gag of Mac wanting to have sex with Dennis but I feel like you could've still done that while keeping him in the closet.
The thing with Dennis isn't even new, he always wanted Dennis. He shadowed him everywhere, lived with him, tried to kiss him in a moment of passion during "The Gang Recycles Their Trash." They made it very clear that he had a crush on Dennis.
When Mac came out of the closet and Charlie banged the waitress in the same season. They killed off two running jokes and nothing can replace them. Mac being openly gay isn't as funny as him Being homophobic while not realizing how gay he's acting. The whole Interpretive dance scene just felt weird and out of place for the show. I kept waiting for there to be a punchline, but there wasn't. Plus the show has lost it's edge over time. The gang has become uncharacteristically self aware. Every now and Then there's an extra line of dialogue that feels like The creator's wokeness coming through. I vaguely remember a scene in season 15 where there was a line about vaccinations or something that felt really off for the show.
Charlie progressing with the Waitress in some way doesn't bother me as much as Mac coming out. That destroyed Mac's character entirely, because you're right. Him being a fundamentalist Christian, 80s action movie badass stereotype (in his head), and obsessed with masculinity while also being obviously gay to everyone except himself is why he was funny. He was my favorite character next to Dennis and now I feel nothing when he's on screen.
Its the best example of the way the showrunner's political bias has twisted the show. The idea of Mac coming out is fundamentally at odds with the point of his character and the point of the show. And why is this character afforded realistic and positive character growth that the other characters aren't? Because they decided its insensitive to make fun of a gay man for being closeted. Because LGBT people are one of these eggshell topics, even thought it is literally far more insensitive to make humor of Dennis being a closeted psychopath who fantasizes about serial murder and practically rapes women. Who cares, he's not a minority. I don't even know what Mac is supposed to be at this point. I'm gay myself and it feels really condescending that the showrunners decided homos are just too fragile to make fun of. I'm so grateful for these rich actors for ruining their own show to express solidarity with me by ruining a character thats only purpose was to be funny. I didn't even understand the interpretive dance either, had to look up what the frick it even meant. Wasn't enough it wasn't funny, it had to be barely interpretable as a message even to a homosexual viewer.
Mac's character was slowly being flanderized into "closeted gay".
Now he is just flanderized as "openly gay". Every single joke or plot point with him is gay related.
>And why is this character afforded realistic and positive character growth that the other characters aren't?
This is the thing that bugs me the most about it. Most development that the characters get in this show is to their detriment. So to have Mac now be open about his sexuality in a way that is portrayed as a good thing feels antithetical to what the show is about. None of the other characters are given the luxury of throwing aside their shortcomings so why is Mac so special? It turns him into the worst member of the main cast by far.
Charlie progressing with the Waitress in some way doesn't bother me as much as Mac coming out. That destroyed Mac's character entirely, because you're right. Him being a fundamentalist Christian, 80s action movie badass stereotype (in his head), and obsessed with masculinity while also being obviously gay to everyone except himself is why he was funny. He was my favorite character next to Dennis and now I feel nothing when he's on screen.
and I'm also gay. And like you, I think Mac is funnier the way he was. I don't need emotional support from a fricking sitcom, I need laughs. If I wanted to hear people b***h and whine about being gay I'd go find some other gays to hang out with.
>And why is this character afforded realistic and positive character growth that the other characters aren't?
This is the thing that bugs me the most about it. Most development that the characters get in this show is to their detriment. So to have Mac now be open about his sexuality in a way that is portrayed as a good thing feels antithetical to what the show is about. None of the other characters are given the luxury of throwing aside their shortcomings so why is Mac so special? It turns him into the worst member of the main cast by far.
I'd say Charlie was given a good amount of growth during the Ireland eps, especially the rainy scene on the mountain. Ofc it won't lead to anything sustaining, but it was nice seeing Charlie (both the character and the actor) bringing out some real emotion.
The Dennis' arc with him going away to be a father could have yielded something interesting but then they did nothing with it.
Then there was Cricket's episode which gave some depth to him as well.
Mac was supposed to stay being closeted but McElhenny read a bunch of twitter shit about gay fans connecting to Mac being out so he felt like he had to make it serious and have him come out fully once and for all
Cruise ship ending would have been kino just for Frank saying to God: >I did what I did. You don't like it, you can kiss my ass.
I don't think I've ever laughed harder at the show than that. Then they ruin it by revealing it to be an insurance audit.
Season 6 episode 1 is the first not-good episode since the first season. The worst part is it's a 2-part, and they both are mediocre episodes. Every other episode in 6 and 7 are great. 8 and 9 each have one or two weak episodes. From 10 on there are multiple bad episodes per season and the bad ones keep getting worse and worse. I have not finished 14 but the only good one so far has been the zoo one.
13 has a really funny bit with Charlie thinking that remembering things involves looking in on the memory from a doorway and it always fricking makes me laugh
When they made mac gay, it would of been funnier if he got a jacked bodybuilder girlfriend instead. I think it had to do with Mac being raised by lesbians irl. Also mac is the least funny from the gang.
And why the hell do they keep rehashing previous characters like the waiter. Or lawyer.
It's clear they reigned in the characters in the newest season which was nice. Charlie is somewhat coherent and Frank doesn't just joke about money, drugs and fricking. Man I remember when the first seasons blew my young mind and Dennis switching from anti-abortion to pro-abortion because of the women had me laughing with my friends. Nowadays I still like the show, few good laughs per ep, and Ireland eps were actually good.
Hard to pinpoint. What kills it for me is the feeling that the writers/cast aren’t on board with the original concept for the show. Almost everything the gang does wrong is delivered in such a way that implies they NEED you to know it’s morally wrong, as opposed to letting their casual misdeeds speak for themselves. Maybe some are afraid of being cancelled, but I just think they’re soft. It’s somewhat insulting that they seem to think viewers are incapable of understanding: characters =/= actors
Around season 6-7. Still had some classics after that mind you but the schtick got really old. Also anytime there is a hint of some growth we just revert back to the same old thing. Still probably one of the most consistently funny shows on TV.
Started watching this recently after staying away because I thought it was yank shite. I was hooked, would watch a few episodes a day but now on season 9 and its just kind of grating. It loses the charm when the cameras got better
Rob is clearly the biggest problem with the show. Everyone else seems checked out too much to stop him. Glenn is apathetic. Kaitlin is trying (and failing, poetic) to get into other roles. Danny is barely conscious and Charlie gets actual roles so he can't be bothered.
I think any show lasting this long is going to produce nothing but diminishing returns.
However, the early seasons were so good, I don't care. I don't watch anymore but if Disney/FX wants to keep paying these guys, i' all for it. They delivered some of the funniest comedy of the 21st century. Make that money playas
it was terrible. they really thought those sms jokes were funny and just kept repeating them. beyond cringe
couldnt even finish the episode.
did anything good happened after? im rewatching the series atm, at season 2 atm, and not sure when to stop yet
Yeah there's quite a few. The one set in the escape room is alright, the making a murderer parody was funny when that """ documentary """ was actually relevant, the gay price episode is funny just for the shit Frank does
Season 14 is a complete write off. Don't bother with it.
Yeah there's quite a few. The one set in the escape room is alright, the making a murderer parody was funny when that """ documentary """ was actually relevant, the gay price episode is funny just for the shit Frank does
Season 14 is a complete write off. Don't bother with it.
Season 15 is actually pretty decent because they actually tried something different and they had like a 4 part series of episodes were they go to Ireland but, like most anons have said, its pretty much no different than your regular boring "comedy" show now and its only really worth watching because its the Always sunny cast and their style of humour
the objective worst episode is the clipshow that's freaking censored. like the season after Day dropped a hard r Black person, who's the showing being fingered by?
auto correct silly billy. the show was already getting stinky prior but the drastic change between seasons show execs fricking with it to some degree and looking at the writers list it's made clear
>the objective worst episode is the clipshow that's freaking censored
Seems obvious >like the season after Day dropped a hard r Black person
Pointing out that Black person was used just a season prior >who's the showing being fingered by?
Given "showing" makes zero sense while "show" does, it seems to be a typo
m8 I think you just have a poor handling of english
auto correct silly billy. the show was already getting stinky prior but the drastic change between seasons show execs fricking with it to some degree and looking at the writers list it's made clear
Is "Fingered" a typo too? Wtf does that mean in this context
I'm a die hard sunny apologist and I hung in there until 11 or so. But the season thereafter with the one where they turn black there is a noticeable shift in the approach to the scripts. Like every offensive joke feels intentionally thought out so as to not really offend any group of consequence, and every plot seems to serve some shitty social commentary that allows the creators to project themselves further into the show. Or something to that effect. It's hard to pin down. I stopped watching after the waterpark episode. The 'payoff' was so obvious and unfunny, and a ripoff from some cartoon like family guy or some shit.
Sunny used to be my favourite show now I wouldn't even put it top ten.
I haven't seen much of the recent seasons but from what I have, the characters seem to be aware of the fact that they're being watched, and spend a lot of time discussing how their actions will be perceived by the outside world. Which is the opposite of the earlier seasons, where a lot of the humor came from them being completely unaware of the outside world's opinions.
When they visibly looked like BOGGED 40 year olds acting like teenagers. When you think about it, the decline not entirely their fault. No writing can save that.
They're definitely way too insistent on reminding their audience that the main characters are not good people. "These guys are totally awful people guys! Look at all the horrible things they do! Make sure to not copy what they're doing!"
They were always sociopaths, but in the past they didn't feel the need to spell it out to the viewer. Even though the whole series involves them doing over-the-top awful shit, the negative portrayal of the gang felt way more subtle, and the writing trusted its audience more. It's like the writers now think that the audience is made up of dribbling morons who will start to act like Dennis and Mac if they don't turn and wink at the camera.
When they started the show, they were allowed to play terrible people on TV with no real consequence. Now schizo twitter has decided any bad behavior by a character is a secret endorsement of it by the actor. All of a sudden they have to justify the actions of fictional creations or face a cancelling.
The safe opinion is that it should have ended with the Seinfeld-esque cruise episode where they all go to Hell or whatever. I think a better way to end it would to have a couple episodes or even and entire finale season where they characters reach their logical conclusions. Frank dies, Mac becomes flamboyantly gay, Dennis murders Dee and is revealed to be a serial killer, Charlie is institutionalized as a legitimately moronic person, etc. You could wrap this all up in like two episodes or have it slowly leak out over a season. It would be perfect though because you're closing off all of their arcs by leaning into the Flanderization of who they originally were.
The problem with the show now is that they've sort already closed off a lot of these arcs in very half-baked ways. Mac came out as gay and closed his arc (in a very unfunny way, not that they have the balls to make it as funny as it could be anymore). Okay cool, now what do you do with his character? There's nowhere left to go. Same thing was Frank, he's basically a senile old man, just pull the trigger and have him die already. Dennis and Charlie have been doing their crazy guy/moronic guy shticks for too many seasons now and they're sort of stalled, the only thing left is to make Dennis a legitimate serial killer and Charlie a legitimate moronic person. And Dee, Dee was always the butt of the group's jokes with some minor characterization like acting aspirations, but now that they try to make her a dominant member of the shoe by having entire woman-centered episodes it's terrible because she doesn't really even have an arc.
Season 7 (the last on FX) was the last all-around GOAT season. 8-11 had some fantastic episodes, and had the show ended at The Gang Goes to Hell, I'd still call it the best live-action sitcom. Mac's dance, the first time anything was played completely straight on the show, was the first proverbial nail in the coffin
I think I now know why I dislike this show. The realisation came from watching their podcast and seeing these actors being as vapid and petty as their characters on the show. The 'joke' is that they are bad people, but they don't seem to desire anything human, anything fundamental. They buy into modern society's lies and try to swindle and cheat their way to the most illusory victories. I can relate to a bad/selfish person who wants something real, but these characters are simultaneously detestable and impotent. Their villainy is for nothing. They don't achieve anything, and they show a single moment of self-reflection or contemplation.
You could make the same criticism of Seinfeld but that show's real draw is in the way plot threads weave and interconnect in unexpected ways. It is also mostly vapid and petty but the characters occasionally show some real emotions and awareness of how ridiculous they are. Thanks for reading my blog post.
Season 11 and 12. They still had great episodes, but the decline was all too obvious. Season 13 was atrocious.
Fpbp. I’d say the same. I looked back recently through the seasons Ave was actually surprised for how many seasons had episodes I enjoyed. Somewhere around season 8-9 the ratio does start to turn tho. And eventually you reach a season where all the episodes suck. I still like the gang overall and I’m enjoying their podcast but the tv show has been pretty bad the last few seasons.
Fpbp
I think s11 is the last Great one. In s12 they got mac out of the closet, which is more sentimental but just less funny.
Season 12 Episode 1
The episode where they officially went woke
around s5 or so
it was still watchable after that but the first few seasons were really good with not a single bad ep in them
The second Frank showed up
filtered
I think this entire scene is the funniest thing that's ever happened in the show.
LEATHER COUCH
TOO HOT
NO AIR
NO AIR
MOVE
AGHHHHHHHH
CALL FRANK REYNOLDS AN butthole
Basically.
It was when Frank started wearing those huge glasses.
>When did it start going south?
When dee got herself bogged. I always thought she looked good before that.
she was so cute. she was unironically my dream girl bros
now she don't exist
They've all got pretty noticeable work done at this point
Dee and Dennis are the only ones that look bogged. Charlie hasn't changed a bit in 15 years. Mac looks good for the first time in his life.
>Mac looks good for the first time in his life.
Gays tend to take care of their appearance
She looks good again going by the podcast vid the other night. The fillers and shit that made her ghoulish in a way I didn't think she'd bounce back from, but yeah looks great. She rulz
Can't say for sure but it ended here for me. Haven't watched a single episode beyond.
When this b***h left the show at the end of Season 12, just to pussy out and immediately return next season.
Yeah the self indulgent dance was the cherry on top off that shit sundae of season 13, but aside from Times up, that entire season blew, and it’s never really recovered from Glenn killing their momentum to go play pg13 Dennis with Patton oswalt.
He’s an antivaxxer too btw
Wtf. I love him now
Proof?
They were taking the piss, how did you not get that?
it was a joke
> pg13 Dennis with Patton oswalt
He and Oswalt were great in that show though. As long as you skip the female teacher trio scenes it's a decent show
I liked that "Charlie catches a leprechaun" episode, but most of the episodes before and after that just.. bleh..
that was a good episode, though. pic related was the true beginning of the end. it was the first episode where they showed regret for their old comedy being offensive, and essentially conceded that political correctness would influence their writing going forward.
The dildo bike episode where Charlie called some black lady a Black person again?
Yes. It's best to think the gang actually died in the sinking cruiseship and everything else has been a hell-induced nightmare
it didn't
Its weird to see them acknowledge that their best seasons in the pod and where it all went downhill on their.
Also crazy how Glenn is the most down to earth one of the group
>acknowledge that their best seasons in the pod and where it all went downhill on their.
so what did they say their best seasons where and where it went wrong?
Sorry I cant remember the specific one, more recent pod if I remember. Charlie says season 7 is where they peaked. They didnt really like how their character continued to get "goofier."
Rob refuses to admit they are "ruining their legacy" and mentions they will continue to make new eps for as long as they can. They had people call in asking how they should end the show and I guess some Irishman gave Rob an earful but had a good idea on how to end it.
rob seems like a homosexual, he was probably the one pushing for mac to come out as gay rather than jst have it be a running joke. seems like he takes himself super seriously now
He did a interview with Colbert right before the pandemic that was cringe as all frick. It was as if he was walking on eggshells around all topics. Strange shit.
Rob will get actually penetrated by man in their last episode and then come out as homosexual on the podcast after talking about the episode.
Also, someone must have told them or they get in Cinemaphile, because the past could of podcasts they were making fun of how Glen has bogged himself
*Also, someone must have told them or they get on Cinemaphile, because the past couple of podcasts they were making fun of how Glen has bogged himself
>Rob refuses to admit they are "ruining their legacy" and mentions they will continue to make new eps for as long as they can. They had people call in asking how they should end the show and I guess some Irishman gave Rob an earful but had a good idea on how to end it.
Are there any good clips of these?
>Dee dee-bogged herself
not bad
Jesus they look bogged
Dee actually looks kinda cute here
>rob sitting like a homosexual
not surprising
The Pod retroactively makes the show worse. The podcast should be called "Liberal homosexuals Apologizing"
Can see the hebrew genes kicking in with Charlie
why are they all fully shaved?
Glenn is doing it for a part, not sure about the others
The episode with Mindy Kahling.
When it went to HD. Same with Trailer Park Boys
When Charlie jumped out of the car while screaming "WILDCARD". It's when the show became a live-action cartoon with basically no consequences.
yes because anything prior to that was super rooted to reality
They are still funny but it is noticeable that they have been drawn in by wokeism and feel that they have to use their position to save the world with preachy BS.
it's mostly rob mcelhenney that's like that.
He was raised by two lesbians so it kinda makes sense I guess
S15's take on idpol is cancel-worthy and not very woke.
Bro. They've been doing that shit since season 1. The gang has always been the butt of jokes to make fun of conservatives like you.
>"Do I want to vote for the Republican who is gonna blast me in the ass or the Democrat whose gonna blast me in the ass?"
>"Tee Hee Rudy Giuliani hair dye lmfao. Now watch this pride dance!"
Go back to sucking dick you homosexual
Thanks for proving my point, moron.
>Gives example of how they actually made fun of both side in early seasons
>Gives examples how they now pander to the left
>"Hurr durr see you made my point"
Liberal brainlet
>M-MUH liberal boogeyman
Did you think the Christian abortion and meth episodes of the first season were talking in your favor you fricking conservetard? Did you also think the gang isn't constantly talking out of their asses to sound more intelligent with their 'both sides are stupid but I am smart'. How illiterate in media do you have to be to think this way lmao
Too much Reddit in your post to justify with a response. So I'll just leave you with this GIF of you watching the Rudy Giuliani episode
>Conservatard can't read and moves the goalpost when threatened in his narrative
LOL. Fitting quite the stereotype the show established. You probably thought the gang throwing out potential cash because they hate the gays in season 1 was a positive thing as well since you're so dumb
They have always made fun of both sides.
Until S12. Then their characters literally became progressives
the homosexual dance.
female writers
Think it was season 11 with the ending of them sinking in the cruise ship, probably the best ending to sitcom ever but they had to just keep going, now they are some cucked liberal shit, many such cases
When Danny Devito joined the cast.
Season 9
season 6 is when the slide began
it accelerated in 8
10 was the first time there were more bad episodes than good ones in a season
11 had the last great episode
12 had the last good episode (for a while)
13 was fricking unbearable.
15 managed to get the first laugh out loud moment since 11.
>15 managed to get the first laugh out loud moment since 11
Damn, what season did you watch?
You didn't laugh at this scene?
Unfortunately this clip cuts out the punchline. Sure, the rest of 15 isn't good, but 13 still holds the crown of most abysmal season by a long shot.
I thought it was pretty funny that Frank got covid but showed no symptoms because he took ivermectin
>it's good because my brain is rotted by politics
that was supposed to be funny?
Mac's faces are funny, but the true comedy comes right after the clip cuts out.
>Father. I'm gonna be alone in the seminary with him? In the rectory? I mean, these are very triggering words. I will S and F him into oblivion. I mean, he looks like Paul Bunyan. I need more of like a... Elmer Fudd. You got any Fudds? Let me take a look. Oh yeah. What about this guy? What's his story?
>Gus?
>Gus. Yeah, I ain't falling in love with Gus. Give me him.
This is one of the few times in the entire show where Mac's performance actually made the lines funnier than they should have been. It also had the benefit of coming off multiple years of complete unfunniness. While it may not have gotten a laugh if it were it in the high water mark of season 4, it was a riot in 15.
man i wish it was
Best scenes of season 15 were definetly charlie making fun of mac being born in a macdonalds and the father-son moment between dennis and frank.
think I'd agree with this. the show really should have ended with the cruise episodes. would have been a perfect ending and the show was already in decline at that point. I still haven't watched seasons 14 or 15 because 13 was so bad
My guess is that WAS the planned ending, but when they decided to keep making the show forever, they went ahead and shot it anyways. It has a very Seinfeld finale tone to it.
>13 was so bad
Time’s Up for The Gang and The Gang Gets New Wheels are pretty good, especially for late season standards, but season 13 is pretty terrible overall.
became like community where im only watching for the specials / more "experimental" episodes just to see them do something different
the lasertag one in particular i enjoyed...uh the zoo one...i dont really remember anything else
Remember that weird zoomer goblin in the zoo episode?
nope, enlighten me
This weird little freak.
what the frick
he looks like radical larry
he walks tru solid matter if i remember rite
Vibrates through walls.
Didn't he win some contest or something to get a cameo?
>won a contest
>related to someone on the show
>has blackmail on someone
>casting director 'aving a laff and daring someone to call him out as atrocious
these are the only reasons i can think of him being on the show.
are you kidding? that's the best moment of the episode and possibly that whole season
crazy enough i stopped watching the series in that episode, before that midget appeared lol
Someone explain what happens in this scene. Never seen it
its like that
i have no idea
The Gang broke Dee is p funny ngl
I hated every second of it until the final minute when I couldn't stop laughing. I don't know if 1 minute of hilarity is worth 20 minutes of shit.
i stopped watching when dennis left, i know he came back but i stopped caring by then
honestly though, the show was never that good
Season
pretentious dance scene
or whenever they made Mac outright gay
>S Tier
S3 thru S5
>A Tier
S2
S6
S7
>B Tier
S1
S8
S9
>C Tier
S10 thru S12
>F Tier
S13 thru S15
I'd swap 12 and 15. S15 gave me slivers of hope for next seasons
When's the last time you watched 12? It had plenty of (relatively) good stuff. Dennis in Water Park was good. PTSDee, Gang Tends Bar, Cricket's Tale, and even Wolf Cola all had decent gags. Again, this is all grading on a curve of post-peak Sunny.
As soon as the cameras got good, the show's decline began. Same case with Trailer Park Boys. The shows weren't immediately bad, but both became a bit too self-referential. The same thing happens to Seinfeld in the last two seasons (how many times does George say 'George is getting upset'?)
this
When Mac's homosexuality became canon and stopped being a punchline
I’ve said it before- the israelites starting with Rotenberg began to progressively attach and take over Sunny.
Real Sunny Ended at high school reunion.
That could have easily been a nice series finale.
After Fat Mac.
This season displayed the ultimate devotion of the show's creators (self destruction) and following it was a slow unwillingness to accept its conclusion.
This and Futurama are shows I always see praised but I really don't get much out of at all
I feel sorry for you fren 🙁 they are both 10/10 for a lot of seasons
I've watched a few seasons of Futurama and very little of it actually made me laugh but I've watched very very little of sunny so maybe it's worth trying
You won't like it, you've already formed a preconceived contrarian opinion about it based on its popularity with other people
You don't know anything about me, israelite
I know everything about you
Name 3
Pizza rolls, euphoria, racing car computer chair
Wrong
Nah you know I'm right
Futurama kind of had to be viewed as a teen. I wouldn't find it as funny now. But it has a lot of math jokes and stuff that gets you on a second watch. Also, just some top tier tv writing. The Devils Hands Are Idle Playthings, Luck of the Fryrish, and Jurassic Bark are all 10/10 episodes of tv.
Season 7 was the first time I noticed more bad episode than good and some episodes that were truly shit. It got way worse as time went on after this.
Season 7 was when the slow decline began. S6 is when they finally got sponsors and the product placement was becoming obvious. Rob Mcelhenney is a homosexual IRL.
when they moved to FXX imo.
Which episodes do you always skip?
>Gang Goes Black
>Poop The Bed
>Old Timey Ye Olde
>Film Noir
Everything after S7 except for "Mac & Dennis move the suburbs" and "Old Lady House". I feel like they could still make something great if they fire Megan Ganz and bring back Fred Savage. Maybe have Mac wake up from a bad dream and retcon every episode they've made in the past 10 years to give their fans the finale season they deserve. Bring back that hot troony that was played by a real woman, too.
Unfortunately they are now too afraid of being 'cancelled'. Especially Mac
Mac would be the one to get cancelled since he's a leftists cuck. Charlie and Glen would tell them to piss off. Charlie repeatedly said Black person in the first episode and he is the most successful
That's what disappoints me the most. Every episode they did is part of what made them successful but now they're going to scrunch their noses up and look down on their own work. The latest podcast was a prime example when Dee was cringing at the dark meat/white meat scene.
Very few comedians and comic actors are unapologetic for how they became successful. If the feel so bad about it they should sign away their royalties to blm and the NAACP. Mention that, and they will flip quick.
>Megan Ganz
that's the b***h that ruins the podcast by bringing up shit like "toxic masculinity." way to go rob for bringing in this feminist c**t onto your staff.
I remember Rob going on about how they hired women writers as if that was some kind of qualification. I started to worry then.
It was directors that he was ranting about, not writers.
That b***h got hired as a writer on community because she made a lot of posts on the community subreddit. She destroyed that show, now Sunny. It's a good thing no other good shows exist, or else she'd ruin them as well.
No wonder community sucked after s1
The revolutionary war episode and the detective noir one are highly underrated.
>I do not give a shit, Deandra. Now fetch me a flagon of ale.
YYYYYeeessssssss
YA WANNA BAY A FARRR???
I enjoyed it. I enjoy it even more after the north water
The noir episode too.
>Thank God you're all right.
>I am, but Vince isn't. He's going to wake up with his head pounding harder than a Chinese crossword puzzle.
>Huh?
>Was that... that one wasn't clear?
>No.
>Well, I'm running out of them you know, it's - point is, I took care of him.
>Well, what do we have here? A couple of poofs about town? Sodomites.
Anyone who doesn't love the liberty bell episode has absolutely SHIT taste.
The american history one is quaint that they think the audience will get it, but obtuse and boring if you didn't grow up in burgerville.
The audience is burgers so it's a rather safe assumption that they will get it.
pooped the bed is GOAT, if only for Dee's pratfall into the side of a car
They've had a good run, can't stay quality forever
Season 4 is the last complete season. Season 5 is when it starts to get a tad hit or miss. But after season 5 it goes off a cliff. You still get the odd episode, but that's about it. When they die on the boat, the season after, it is actually unbearable to watch.
This anon is right. I can't believe I watched until season 10. I looked up season 6 and barely remember any episodes.
For a long time I thought the episodes of 5 and 6 were later seasons because some were very meh, when I actually saw what was in s7-s11 on rewatch I was surprised how bad some were.
The season with the Wade Boggs episode was the last one I watched because the episodes were very noticably weaker. I do love the Wade Boggs episode, that's why it's the one I remember, but most were completely meh.
The first Wade Boggs episode or the second one?
There are two? I guess that answers you.
The Wade Boggs episode was fricking moronic and I'm done pretending it's not.
Season 7 was the point of not return for me. After season 7 I guess they all got mad that people liked the characters and so they decided to make them all despicable villains instead of self-centered morons
That's just flanderisation, it happens with most shows, they even point it out in a later episode where Dennis goes on a rant about how they've all "become so god damn weird"
>have millions of dollars between the three of you
>Build some cutrate shitty podcast studio
>Do lions share of shows in your fricking kitchen
>Charlie day is the only one man enough to do it in some spare room/office
These Black folk have fricking mansions, and they can't be bothered to move a desk into one of the many empty rooms of their home? And they can't afford real mics? Or real cameras? No they have to use the 400 dollar Lenovos they got from Walmart....
Frick all of them
Everyone else is complaining that too much production value ruins the comedy, you are the only one hoping that they sacrifice time to work on their comedy for production value.
There's a trend of rich people avoiding doing zooms and streams from nice parts of their house so they won't get criticised by their poor fans
When they went HD, the SD seasons are gold, the HD one are too self-referential.
When they started adding trannies.
I liked the laser tag episode but nearly every other episode lately has sucked.
I haven't watched the most recent season but the fact that they have an episode dedicated to calling out their use of blackface in the older episodes. The whole point of those fricking jokes in the first place was pointing out how unconvincing and awful the blackface looked when characters like Mac and Dee wore it. Are people really so moronic now that they don't understand what the context is?
*can't stand the fact
>when Mac does a shower scene in full body blackface and his skin color and facial hair starts sliding off his body
Satire is lost on people these days
to everyone's detriment, lines are now drawn such that context doesn't matter at all, and just having the thing at all is unacceptable
Episode where Frank steals a ferry and says all that THIS ONE TIME crap in a remember when way was when I noticed it taking a steep down turn and Dennis and Dee looking visibly old and Dee bogging herself.
When they started to try an be south park by talking about "this years relevant issues!". The characters also aren't the same people they were in the earlier seasons, they're basically just caricatures now.
When Mac came out of the closet and Charlie banged the waitress in the same season. They killed off two running jokes and nothing can replace them. Mac being openly gay isn't as funny as him Being homophobic while not realizing how gay he's acting. The whole Interpretive dance scene just felt weird and out of place for the show. I kept waiting for there to be a punchline, but there wasn't. Plus the show has lost it's edge over time. The gang has become uncharacteristically self aware. Every now and Then there's an extra line of dialogue that feels like The creator's wokeness coming through. I vaguely remember a scene in season 15 where there was a line about vaccinations or something that felt really off for the show.
Charlie progressing with the Waitress in some way doesn't bother me as much as Mac coming out. That destroyed Mac's character entirely, because you're right. Him being a fundamentalist Christian, 80s action movie badass stereotype (in his head), and obsessed with masculinity while also being obviously gay to everyone except himself is why he was funny. He was my favorite character next to Dennis and now I feel nothing when he's on screen.
This is still the most baffling decision the show has made. Were they just unable to come up with more jokes and ideas about Mac being a closeted gay man so they decided to have him come out and end it? The whole reason why the gay jokes were funny in the first place was that Mac looked down upon gay people to begin with.
The only silver lining to it that I can think of is that it's lead to a new running gag of Mac wanting to have sex with Dennis but I feel like you could've still done that while keeping him in the closet.
The thing with Dennis isn't even new, he always wanted Dennis. He shadowed him everywhere, lived with him, tried to kiss him in a moment of passion during "The Gang Recycles Their Trash." They made it very clear that he had a crush on Dennis.
Its the best example of the way the showrunner's political bias has twisted the show. The idea of Mac coming out is fundamentally at odds with the point of his character and the point of the show. And why is this character afforded realistic and positive character growth that the other characters aren't? Because they decided its insensitive to make fun of a gay man for being closeted. Because LGBT people are one of these eggshell topics, even thought it is literally far more insensitive to make humor of Dennis being a closeted psychopath who fantasizes about serial murder and practically rapes women. Who cares, he's not a minority. I don't even know what Mac is supposed to be at this point. I'm gay myself and it feels really condescending that the showrunners decided homos are just too fragile to make fun of. I'm so grateful for these rich actors for ruining their own show to express solidarity with me by ruining a character thats only purpose was to be funny. I didn't even understand the interpretive dance either, had to look up what the frick it even meant. Wasn't enough it wasn't funny, it had to be barely interpretable as a message even to a homosexual viewer.
Mac's character was slowly being flanderized into "closeted gay".
Now he is just flanderized as "openly gay". Every single joke or plot point with him is gay related.
Sure but one is funny the other was an attempt to win an emmy and it backfired
Yeah, kinda sad. They could've done the right thing and attempted to write his character to not be flanderized, but they doubled down on it.
>And why is this character afforded realistic and positive character growth that the other characters aren't?
This is the thing that bugs me the most about it. Most development that the characters get in this show is to their detriment. So to have Mac now be open about his sexuality in a way that is portrayed as a good thing feels antithetical to what the show is about. None of the other characters are given the luxury of throwing aside their shortcomings so why is Mac so special? It turns him into the worst member of the main cast by far.
Yeah I'm
and I'm also gay. And like you, I think Mac is funnier the way he was. I don't need emotional support from a fricking sitcom, I need laughs. If I wanted to hear people b***h and whine about being gay I'd go find some other gays to hang out with.
>I didn't even understand the interpretive dance either, had to look up what the frick it even meant
What did it mean?
I'd say Charlie was given a good amount of growth during the Ireland eps, especially the rainy scene on the mountain. Ofc it won't lead to anything sustaining, but it was nice seeing Charlie (both the character and the actor) bringing out some real emotion.
The Dennis' arc with him going away to be a father could have yielded something interesting but then they did nothing with it.
Then there was Cricket's episode which gave some depth to him as well.
The Cricket episode is one of the best episodes of the later era of the show
I feel like a moron for not seeing the twist coming. It was pretty masterfully done.
Mac was supposed to stay being closeted but McElhenny read a bunch of twitter shit about gay fans connecting to Mac being out so he felt like he had to make it serious and have him come out fully once and for all
When they removed episodes from streaming
>The episode no one ever talks about
My friend and I quote this episode everytime we hear matchbox 20.
>Sing a song! Shut up!
The season finale with Mac doing the literal gay dance for his Dad. It was so cringe they didn't even reference it in the next season.
Ireland episodes were kino though
I have only seen seasons 1 - 6. All of it was good.
S5 is peak Sunny. Then it slowly gets worse until the recent seasons when it nosedives hard
After season 12.
Season 13 was fricking awful.
THe show kinda recovered afterwards, but it's still not as consistently good as it was previously.
The acceptable endpoints were the highschool reunion and the cruise ship twoparter
Cruise ship ending would have been kino just for Frank saying to God:
>I did what I did. You don't like it, you can kiss my ass.
I don't think I've ever laughed harder at the show than that. Then they ruin it by revealing it to be an insurance audit.
I like to think the series ended with them drowning in the boat.
I like to think this thread ended with dildo bike Black person comments.
Season 6 episode 1 is the first not-good episode since the first season. The worst part is it's a 2-part, and they both are mediocre episodes. Every other episode in 6 and 7 are great. 8 and 9 each have one or two weak episodes. From 10 on there are multiple bad episodes per season and the bad ones keep getting worse and worse. I have not finished 14 but the only good one so far has been the zoo one.
13 has a really funny bit with Charlie thinking that remembering things involves looking in on the memory from a doorway and it always fricking makes me laugh
The reliance on mcpoyles, ponderosas and any characters 'outweirding' the gang was the beginning of the end.
When they made mac gay, it would of been funnier if he got a jacked bodybuilder girlfriend instead. I think it had to do with Mac being raised by lesbians irl. Also mac is the least funny from the gang.
And why the hell do they keep rehashing previous characters like the waiter. Or lawyer.
It was on a steady decline from season 5 but the show died here.
i just watched the first episode of season 15 and it was... really bad. not a single laugh tbh
S1E01.
>Bro what if Friends but they are all moronic and also sociopaths?
It's actually
>Bro what if Seinfeld but they're all goyim?
It's clear they reigned in the characters in the newest season which was nice. Charlie is somewhat coherent and Frank doesn't just joke about money, drugs and fricking. Man I remember when the first seasons blew my young mind and Dennis switching from anti-abortion to pro-abortion because of the women had me laughing with my friends. Nowadays I still like the show, few good laughs per ep, and Ireland eps were actually good.
S1e1
Hard to pinpoint. What kills it for me is the feeling that the writers/cast aren’t on board with the original concept for the show. Almost everything the gang does wrong is delivered in such a way that implies they NEED you to know it’s morally wrong, as opposed to letting their casual misdeeds speak for themselves. Maybe some are afraid of being cancelled, but I just think they’re soft. It’s somewhat insulting that they seem to think viewers are incapable of understanding: characters =/= actors
Last season was just dull, and production quality dropped like a fricking rock. Some of the worst editing and direction on TV.
Also the scripts were just off.
It's like the entire season was made by 1st-month interns on heavy duty valium. Just abhorrent.
the escape room girl was super cute
Around season 6-7. Still had some classics after that mind you but the schtick got really old. Also anytime there is a hint of some growth we just revert back to the same old thing. Still probably one of the most consistently funny shows on TV.
Started watching this recently after staying away because I thought it was yank shite. I was hooked, would watch a few episodes a day but now on season 9 and its just kind of grating. It loses the charm when the cameras got better
Rob is clearly the biggest problem with the show. Everyone else seems checked out too much to stop him. Glenn is apathetic. Kaitlin is trying (and failing, poetic) to get into other roles. Danny is barely conscious and Charlie gets actual roles so he can't be bothered.
I think any show lasting this long is going to produce nothing but diminishing returns.
However, the early seasons were so good, I don't care. I don't watch anymore but if Disney/FX wants to keep paying these guys, i' all for it. They delivered some of the funniest comedy of the 21st century. Make that money playas
personally i couldnt watch it anymore when they were in the zoo texting
I hate that episode, its so bland
it was terrible. they really thought those sms jokes were funny and just kept repeating them. beyond cringe
couldnt even finish the episode.
did anything good happened after? im rewatching the series atm, at season 2 atm, and not sure when to stop yet
Yeah there's quite a few. The one set in the escape room is alright, the making a murderer parody was funny when that """ documentary """ was actually relevant, the gay price episode is funny just for the shit Frank does
Season 14 is a complete write off. Don't bother with it.
okay cool ill just skip the episodes that feel unwatchable like zoo and trust you for better times to come
Season 15 is actually pretty decent because they actually tried something different and they had like a 4 part series of episodes were they go to Ireland but, like most anons have said, its pretty much no different than your regular boring "comedy" show now and its only really worth watching because its the Always sunny cast and their style of humour
season 15 was terrible
Its okay for background noise
The episode where they are about to drown in the ship is the real ending of the show in my mind
also i hate her
i wish they made her just another guy
Season 7 had the most kino episodes with ep9 being my favourite
the objective worst episode is the clipshow that's freaking censored. like the season after Day dropped a hard r Black person, who's the showing being fingered by?
Can you say that again, but in English?
What part can't you understand friend?
"Whose the showing being fingered by"
Is that some weird British saying
auto correct silly billy. the show was already getting stinky prior but the drastic change between seasons show execs fricking with it to some degree and looking at the writers list it's made clear
>the objective worst episode is the clipshow that's freaking censored
Seems obvious
>like the season after Day dropped a hard r Black person
Pointing out that Black person was used just a season prior
>who's the showing being fingered by?
Given "showing" makes zero sense while "show" does, it seems to be a typo
m8 I think you just have a poor handling of english
Is "Fingered" a typo too? Wtf does that mean in this context
frick i love the show so much
Season 11 is the last season with some acceptable episodes. Season 12 and on is where the season is pretty much all bad.
WOW THERE'S NO BLACK PERSON WTF
I'm a die hard sunny apologist and I hung in there until 11 or so. But the season thereafter with the one where they turn black there is a noticeable shift in the approach to the scripts. Like every offensive joke feels intentionally thought out so as to not really offend any group of consequence, and every plot seems to serve some shitty social commentary that allows the creators to project themselves further into the show. Or something to that effect. It's hard to pin down. I stopped watching after the waterpark episode. The 'payoff' was so obvious and unfunny, and a ripoff from some cartoon like family guy or some shit.
Sunny used to be my favourite show now I wouldn't even put it top ten.
I haven't seen much of the recent seasons but from what I have, the characters seem to be aware of the fact that they're being watched, and spend a lot of time discussing how their actions will be perceived by the outside world. Which is the opposite of the earlier seasons, where a lot of the humor came from them being completely unaware of the outside world's opinions.
Yeh, very keyed. I used to have up to s13 on my pc but I decided to delete s12 and s13. The gang goes to hell is the fan ending.
When they visibly looked like BOGGED 40 year olds acting like teenagers. When you think about it, the decline not entirely their fault. No writing can save that.
When was that point? Maybe s8
They're definitely way too insistent on reminding their audience that the main characters are not good people. "These guys are totally awful people guys! Look at all the horrible things they do! Make sure to not copy what they're doing!"
They were always sociopaths, but in the past they didn't feel the need to spell it out to the viewer. Even though the whole series involves them doing over-the-top awful shit, the negative portrayal of the gang felt way more subtle, and the writing trusted its audience more. It's like the writers now think that the audience is made up of dribbling morons who will start to act like Dennis and Mac if they don't turn and wink at the camera.
When they started the show, they were allowed to play terrible people on TV with no real consequence. Now schizo twitter has decided any bad behavior by a character is a secret endorsement of it by the actor. All of a sudden they have to justify the actions of fictional creations or face a cancelling.
like season 6
The Gang Tries Desperately To Win An Award is such a great episode
the instant of
>there is a spider... spider... spider
and you see mac's head drop in despair is so perfect
>mac's head drop in despair
Almost every time someone on this show tries to hide their face like that, they're laughing
It was never good
The safe opinion is that it should have ended with the Seinfeld-esque cruise episode where they all go to Hell or whatever. I think a better way to end it would to have a couple episodes or even and entire finale season where they characters reach their logical conclusions. Frank dies, Mac becomes flamboyantly gay, Dennis murders Dee and is revealed to be a serial killer, Charlie is institutionalized as a legitimately moronic person, etc. You could wrap this all up in like two episodes or have it slowly leak out over a season. It would be perfect though because you're closing off all of their arcs by leaning into the Flanderization of who they originally were.
The problem with the show now is that they've sort already closed off a lot of these arcs in very half-baked ways. Mac came out as gay and closed his arc (in a very unfunny way, not that they have the balls to make it as funny as it could be anymore). Okay cool, now what do you do with his character? There's nowhere left to go. Same thing was Frank, he's basically a senile old man, just pull the trigger and have him die already. Dennis and Charlie have been doing their crazy guy/moronic guy shticks for too many seasons now and they're sort of stalled, the only thing left is to make Dennis a legitimate serial killer and Charlie a legitimate moronic person. And Dee, Dee was always the butt of the group's jokes with some minor characterization like acting aspirations, but now that they try to make her a dominant member of the shoe by having entire woman-centered episodes it's terrible because she doesn't really even have an arc.
Whatever season had the musical episode
Season 7 (the last on FX) was the last all-around GOAT season. 8-11 had some fantastic episodes, and had the show ended at The Gang Goes to Hell, I'd still call it the best live-action sitcom. Mac's dance, the first time anything was played completely straight on the show, was the first proverbial nail in the coffin
I think I now know why I dislike this show. The realisation came from watching their podcast and seeing these actors being as vapid and petty as their characters on the show. The 'joke' is that they are bad people, but they don't seem to desire anything human, anything fundamental. They buy into modern society's lies and try to swindle and cheat their way to the most illusory victories. I can relate to a bad/selfish person who wants something real, but these characters are simultaneously detestable and impotent. Their villainy is for nothing. They don't achieve anything, and they show a single moment of self-reflection or contemplation.
You could make the same criticism of Seinfeld but that show's real draw is in the way plot threads weave and interconnect in unexpected ways. It is also mostly vapid and petty but the characters occasionally show some real emotions and awareness of how ridiculous they are. Thanks for reading my blog post.
Yeah this is the face I make when I watch IASIP, thanks for posting it for me anon.
nothing to thank for
When they just started referencing popular old episodes instead of writing new ones. That was like season 6.