Why did Brightburn work and Multiverse of Madness fail?
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Why did Brightburn work and Multiverse of Madness fail?
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Because MoM still has MCU restrictions so it couldn’t go beyond Goosebumps tier scary
>Implying Brightburn isn't also Goosebumps tier scary.
I don't think lasering that guy's jaw half off or dropping his mother from 25,000 feet up is goosebumps tier.
The reshoots made it worse too.
Look on the bright side. They both did capeshit horror better than New Mutants.
Dude, even the Rainbow Brite movie was a better horror movie than New Mutants. That's really not a high bar.
Neither are scary but MoM never really tried to be outside of a handful of Raimi callbacks. Superhero horror doesn't really work outside of some rare few examples on the supernatural side.
Only the Blade trilogy and I guess the first Hellboy did it right and even then, those were action movies first.
Eh, Hellboy is more pulp than superhero. Same DNA but not quite the same. Blade falls firmly into the supernatural argument with the whole vampire thing though I doubt his new movie with have any "edge" to it if MoM was meant to be the MCU's take on horror.
In what world are those movies scary?
None. Not all horror is or needs to be scary.
Then what makes it horror?
Something that fills you with adrenaline or tension but through a more gothic, gory or macabre lens .
I don't know if those movies fill me with adrenaline or tension but maybe I'm just dead inside
Brightburn didn’t work and MCU poop #8452 isn’t a horror
>horror
You're just scared of someone other than yourself having power and possibly using it against you. Eleutheromania, in other words.
>Eleutheromania
Well, well, well. If it isn't you again. Back from that Kim Possible thread I see.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/128890190/
Just because I've been here before, doesn't mean I'm wrong, especially seeing how many have confused other people for me over the use of a single word.
>the existence of hierarchy of macabre
People don't necessarily get into horror to be scared, some people just enjoy macabre things.
Exactly. No one in the right mind actually finds the Evil Dead trilogy to be scary. People just love it for the fricked up gore and visuals.
These are just action movies with ghosts.
What metric are you using to say that Brightburn worked? The movie went by completely ignored
MoM isnt a failure in any metric
>450mil opening
>Couldn't make a billion
That means people didn't like it
Still broke even and made a good profit.
Brightburn tapped into the fear of incels/stalkers, which are grounded real-world threats. The whole "grieving mother" thing didn't seem that scary for MoM, should've had her possessed by Cthon or something
For me the issue with MoM is that they tried way too hard to justify making Wanda the actual villain. They kept piling on evil feats for her so that we wouldn't be on her side. There's no subtly or balance. She just goes on some murder spree and also kills Mr. Fantastic and Professor X so we should be against her. It makes morally grey concepts very black and white in an almost comical way.
MoM is just a bad film. Here's Wanda killing everyone because she's evil and crazy, but also the Darkhold made her do it, but she's still totally the bad guy, but not really. Also if you didn't watch WandaVision you're probably a little confused and every feels weak and contrived, and if you did watch WandaVision you're probably pissed and everything feels weak and contrived.
Wanda was always a villain and only simps thought otherwise
Brightburn didn't work though, it betrayed it's own premise like 30 minutes in. Brandon isn't a Superman that turned evil, he had his brain reprogrammed and became a serial killer.
That's only one interpretation but that's never stated in the movie. Personally I don't think the ship directly controlled Brandon. He has moments where he hesitates, and those moments are always broken when someone gives him a reason to mistrust them. He didn't kill his mom and dad because the ship made him, he killed them because they tried to kill him first. The ship does influence him, but when choices are made it's always Brandon doing the choosing. I think his relationship with the ship is the poorest aspect of the film though. I understand their intent was to keep it ambiguous but the whole thing felt a bit too muddled.
Brightburn didn't work. It just went for jumpscares.
It would've been better if Brandon had motivation beyond "ship told me to be evil".
Exactly, then those motherfrickers had the audacity to tease us with evil Aquaman and Wonder Woman which would've been a million times more interesting.
>evil Aquaman and Wonder Woman which would've been a million times more interesting.
No it fricking wouldn't.
You lack imagination
MOM was a masterpiece
What about Nixonverse?
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYEu-9YXzZuKwVdyumtQxcmUgoQDIqfD_
>named after an infamously "corrupt" politician
>more cowering at the thought of people more powerful than us aligning with something other than a myopic non-value like freedom
Yawn.
>the absolute state of the "horror" "genre"
I guess I should expect nothing from a genre where trash like The Descent is held in high regard.
>a genre where trash like The Descent is held in high regard
Weirdly specific diss; it would have just been easier to point out that they have been remaking Paranormal Activity non-stop for 15 years.
I'm just sick of this particular jumpscare-ridden shit being recommended to me as a pinnacle of the genre.
I just found it curious that you have beef against The Descent but I get what you mean, I remember back when I was in college and everyone was praising Cloverfield for not showing the shitty monster for more than two frames.
Wdym? Cinemaphile hated brightburn
Is Brightburn any good? It looks like it'll be 99% parents looking concerned as their kid does some bad stuff like killing an animal or hurting their bully or other generic stuff and then 5 minutes at the end of a bunch of action.
No it's not. It's just another shitly written horror movie.
Brightburn was a really shitty movie too. An MCU movie was never going to be scary and anyone who insists Mom was is a massive pussy
It could have been scary if they just let Scott Derrickson to do his original vision of the film.
I wholeheartedly doubt it ever was scary
It's the same guy who did The Black Phone and Sinister.
I'm seconding what that anon said then.
Sinister was great though. Literally the only scary movie to come out in the past decade.
It was only ever "scary" when those reels were shown, otherwise it was generic as frick.
Sinister is scarier than any Sam Raimi horror film.
And A Simple Plan(1998), which isn't even one of Raimi's horror films btw, is scarier and more tense than any Scott Derrickson movie.
MoM is as much of an horror as The Evil Dead 2 is
Brightburn is your classic slasher with a kid from the 10's
Neither are "superhero" horror, the kid from Brightburn could have been possesed by a demon and nothing in the plot would have changed. The Invisible Man or the remake of Earth vs. the Spider.
>Blade and Hellboy
Those aren't horrors either.
>MoM is as much of an horror as The Evil Dead 2
So...very horror then. Evil Dead 2 is a classic for the horror genre.
Evil Dead was, from there onwards Raimi started to do his own thing (which is humor+fricked up visuals) or at least that's how i see it
Heck the final movie of the trilogy is straight up an adventure one.
I think you guys are having a semantic disconnect; First lets acknowledge the fact that horror isnt necessarily made with the primary intention of scaring the audience.
It's a cancerous mindset and the reason why genre is shit. Go back to BloodyDisgusting.
Uh huh, because focusing in scaring has helped out the genre so much right? Jumpscares and mystery boxes are such kino. Fricking moron.
>First lets acknowledge the fact that horror isnt necessarily made with the primary intention of scaring the audience
If it isn't scaring than its making them uneasy or disgusted. If we'd start counting every movie with a skeleton in it as an horror then we'd have people saying that Pirates of the Carabbean or Indian Jones are horror.