I'll say it first, that I don't hate Superman. The concept or the character. But as it is, he is completely broken. Mostly because nobody can decide whether he's a fictional person in a story, or some hacky notion of an "idea". The problem that most point to, him being overpowered, isn't the actual problem. Lots of cape characters are around his level. The problem is that he has all this tremendous power yet he acts like any other cape.
To some that's the charm. That he's got god-like powers and yet he saves kittens from trees, is a swell guy and all that. Fair point, no arguments there. I'm not going to tell you that he should be an butthole or turn into a nanny state or whatever else. What I'll say is that the wholesome guy who wants to help and the living god though are absolutely at odds with one another. Superman's powers are such that he could do anything. He's not just fast and strong, he's a quantum computer who can literally do anything. But he doesn't. He punches villains, he protects the Earth, but the rest of the time? He lives like a human. Which is selfish. Entirely. No question about it. It's worse than that, it's a sin because he pretends to be a wholesome guy who believes in some universal concept of good, yet he wastes 8 hours per day working in a newspaper, he wines and dines, he fricks his wife, he pals around and so on. That is an insult to humans who use their limited time span to make choices. Superman doesn't need to do all of those things, but he does them simply to have a good time. To be a "good boy". If he cared truly about the world, he wouldn't waste his time like that. If he wants to waste time, then he should not pretend t be a virtuous, self-sacrificng moralgay and simply declare that as a god he can do as he wants. Honesty is important.
Superman is an insult. He's a psychopathic mad god playing house. The only way to fix him is to downgrade his powers and change his employment, or portray him as the selfish monster he is.
 Nothing Ever Happens Shirt $21.68 |
 |
Nothing Ever Happens Shirt $21.68 |
But I like superman, so don't do that.
Superman is a LGBT symbol.
>Superman threads on Cinemaphile are worst.
thats true but walrus guy is alright
Manatee. Superman. Manatee. Supermanatee. How do you not get that?
Because I'm terminally moronic anon. the doctors can't do anything for me
So it's a fricking crime for him to have a normal life?
Why doesn't Superman crank a magnet at a high but consistent speed nonstop to generate enough cheap energy to improve the standard of living for the entire world?
he's a selfish piece of shit
Actually stupid when he could build a Dyson Sphere in like a few minutes.
There is an entire canon story about him realizing thanks to the guardians of the universe that he can't make mankind too dependent on him otherwise it will colapse
Other stories eplored how they need to rest to avoid going crazy
>There is an entire canon story about him realizing thanks to the guardians of the universe that he can't make mankind too dependent on him otherwise it will colapse
Various humans have copied, replicated, stolen and cloned Superman's (and other heroes') powers so many times it really shouldn't be a concern. If someone wanted shit done they could have just mass-produced Amazo (an invention of a human scientist, Dr. Ivo) or other power-copying androids and not just made metahumans obsolete, but solved pretty much every problem on Earth.
Again, it's power creep causing all this. In a story about superpowers, why do they never properly explore the societal consequences of people having superpowers? The stronger and more common you make powers, the more you need to worldbuild.
It's the status quo crap and the "world outside your window" bullshit. Humanies of both DC and Marvel should have already become fricking space utopias who casually terraform planets left and right, build Dyson spheres and uplift every living being in the vicinity of their space empire.
Various humans have copied, replicated, stolen and cloned Superman's powers
Those never last, Amazo is crazily expensive also your entire OP just assume Superman is a machine who can spend every single minute of his existence working without losing his mind even though it's already shown he's at his limit with the pressure of 1/3 of his life being spend there.
>Those never last,
Only for contrieved plot reasons, because they are too overpowered to keep around and would kill the status quo and "the world outside your window" illusion.
>Amazo is crazily expensive
Ivo literally churns out a new model every month or two, and he's just one man with no external financial backing.
>your entire OP just assume Superman is a machine who can spend every single minute of his existence working without losing his mind even though it's already shown he's at his limit with the pressure of 1/3 of his life being spend there.
If you're using Amazo with Superman's powers as a Superman substitute, it literally IS a machine that can solve problems 24/7 without mentally imploding. If you want it to have Superman's personality too, then just make multiple models, so that fresh ones can punch in when the ones who come close to emotional exhaustion punch out and rest, and keep them rotating.
Amazo replacing Superman is not a Superman issue, also Luthor would just hack it.
Why would he care? His beef is with Superman, not a robotic copy that doesn't even pretend to be Superman. A robotic copy that's created by a regular human and that does Superman's work 24/7, to boot, which kills all the complaints Luthor has against original Superman.
And if it's Superman in any form and shape who Luthor has problems with? Just base the Amazo on someone else with Superman-like powerset. Shazam, Black Adam, MMH, literally any other flying brick. This isn't a problem.
It's Superman's idea, therefore it is bad
-Luthor
>If someone wanted shit done they could have just mass-produced Amazo (an invention of a human scientist, Dr. Ivo
ROBOTNIK: THE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC GENIUS IN THE WORLD
DC's Ivo is actually a "Professor", not doctor. But I never quite connected the two.
I just saw "Ivo" and Eggman's grinning mug appeared in my head, lel.
Kek post the comic.
That's not funny that's sad
I thought the reason Superman lives a boring human life is to keep him sane? He has zero connection to Earth and humanity except an emotional one, and whatever he creates himself.
>Mostly because nobody can decide whether he's a fictional person in a story, or some hacky notion of an "idea".
This does piss me off though. Especially when he’s used to push whatever extremely specific moral philosophy or political bent the writer has.
>The only way to fix him is to downgrade his powers and change his employment, or portray him as the selfish monster he is.
Homelander and the Plutonian are good characters. And I think Samaritan is basically Superman but he literally never stops preventing unnecessary deaths and disasters.
Samaritan takes time off for his private life too
>And I think Samaritan is basically Superman but he literally never stops preventing unnecessary deaths and disasters.
Even Samaritan took a day off to date the Wonder Woman/Hawk Girl expy of his setting.
I think a large part of this is power creep. Kryptonians can now hear anything around the world, see atoms, are stronger than anything, fly faster than light, time travel, etcetera. Why? Never mind that these powers are raised and lowered on the writer's whim, how does this support the story?
Hey homosexual, I told you off in that thread you derailed and I meant every word. have a nice day.
He doesn't want to rake over the world you fricking moron.
He already rules the earth.
>Superdaddygays are too dumb to even get the OP's point
POTTERY
>But he doesn't. He punches villains, he protects the Earth, but the rest of the time? He lives like a human. Which is selfish. Entirely. No question about it. It's worse than that, it's a sin because he pretends to be a wholesome guy who believes in some universal concept of good, yet he wastes 8 hours per day working in a newspaper, he wines and dines, he fricks his wife, he pals around and so on.
>So it's a fricking crime for him to have a normal life?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID
I don't know if you're pretending to be moronic or not, so I'll simplify it even more. A being with the powers of a god absolutely cannot waste time on the banality of contemporary life just because it pleases him, while also proclaiming to be a believer of some universal, uniformal good, and also be built up in-universe as some inspirational mythical icon. The only way for Superman to work as you know him is to downscale his powers. No functional immortality, no literal super-computer brain, no speed that defies imagination, none of that. Or just turn him into a detached being who, rather regularly, helps because it makes him feel good. You cannot have it both ways. It's like trying to write a pacifistic murderer, the two are contradictory extremes.
>A being with the powers of a god absolutely cannot waste time on the banality of contemporary life just because it pleases him, while also proclaiming to be a believer of some universal, uniformal good, and also be built up in-universe as some inspirational mythical icon.
Superman may have the powers of a god. But he was raised as a human, and unlike God who is omnipresent, he can't be everywhere at once. So there are going to be people he can't save.
>Or just turn him into a detached being who, rather regularly, helps because it makes him feel good.
You do realize Doctor Manhattan was not supposed to be a good person right?
So if he's not an ultra-autist that fights crime literally every waking hour of his life, stopping to only shit and sleep, it doesn't count? In different terms, If I feed a stray dog, does it not count as a good deed because I could have done something better, like donating organs to feed starving children in africa, assuming that's my highest capabilities. You're going to say no to that, obviously, But would your answer be different if I had, say, an extraordinary amount of edible organs?
soz this is very condescending but I'm not sure how to word it otherwise
He's only human. even superman needs to unwind.
> A being with the powers of a god absolutely cannot waste time on the banality of contemporary life just because it pleases him,
Says who? Have you ever stopped for a second that whatever potential work that Superman is doing 24/7 will not be accepted by whatever mass of people it is being acted upon. You want him to be a functional dictator to the world? If that’s it just go read injustice.
What was the point then? Tell it to my small brain
>He punches villains, he protects the Earth, but the rest of the time? He lives like a human. Which is selfish. Entirely. No question about it.
Yeah, frick off, he's allowed to have a regular ass life if he wants, he's not just super, he's also a man.
Anon, why aren't YOU always working 24/7? Why are YOU so selfish to waste your time on things like having a life of your own, when you should be maximizing the amount of good you could be doing?
By this logic, everyone should just be constantly working at their full capacity without taking a break to "waste time".
Because he can't be every on where at once, he can't solve all issues in the world, not every country wants Superman's intervention, and he also have his own mental health to take care off (you don't want an exhausted, depressed super man around, do you?)
TL;DR. Writers can't write Superman
....
Dude. I wish I could shake your hand.
If he actually didn't give a shit and litterally only helped when it was big.
Was full on detached from humanity but pretended to be human to honor his human parents and keep entertained I'd understand.
But yeah. He's a prick.
Either make him a flying brick and remove his bullshit silver age powers or just stop acting as if this stuff is realistic and not sick gods playing pretend.
He's not a god, he's a man with powers.
He's litterally functionally no different from gods of old stories.
Both in terms of powers and worship.
Which us deeply horifying if you think of the implications for even a small second.
Instead if a cross or fetsh fir a nobkevhero/god we emulate.
it's a fictional entity that is sway to as we've all found out entirely evil and out of touch oligarchs at wb.
People emote and look up to this thing and worship it.
It's horrifying.
>worship
Anon please, Superman fans in comics aren't even as cultish as some real life celebrity fans.
I'm talking about the real world dumbass.
My statement remains true when applied to real life, Superman isn't that big of a deal.
>It's worse than that, it's a sin because he pretends to be a wholesome guy who believes in some universal concept of good, yet he wastes 8 hours per day working in a newspaper, he wines and dines, he fricks his wife, he pals around and so on. That is an insult to humans who use their limited time span to make choices. Superman doesn't need to do all of those things, but he does them simply to have a good time. To be a "good boy". If he cared truly about the world, he wouldn't waste his time like that. If he wants to waste time, then he should not pretend t be a virtuous, self-sacrificng moralgay and simply declare that as a god he can do as he wants. Honesty is important.
You're a psychopath, anon
He is MAD
He is a SINNER
No really.
Explain your shit.
Because he claims you can't be good or moral unless you 100% devote all your time to helping people. Otherwise you're fake and it's a lie.
He's clearly projecting his own sins and shittyness on everyone else.
>OP claims a moral Superman must slave 24/7 for years with no breaks to keep humans alive
>the story has already been done
>Lots of cape characters are around his level. The problem is that he has all this tremendous power yet he acts like any other cape.
So why are you demanding all of this only out of superman? If you know that other capes around his powerelevel like Captain Atom, Captain Marvel, Firestorm, etc. exist, why treat superman differently?
Because none of them have powers on his level and they're not built as paragons of justice in and out of universe. They don't receive the same veneration and therefore they're not receiving the same criticism either. Silver Surfer is arguably even more powerful than Superman, but considering his role in the universe, his character, and how he's treated in and out of universe, my criticisms don't apply to him. Each case is different.
>Superman may have the powers of a god. But he was raised as a human, and unlike God who is omnipresent, he can't be everywhere at once. So there are going to be people he can't save.
He may not be Omni-anything, but he surely can find much better uses of his time rather than LARP as a journalist and try to bone a human. He can't hold himself as a "good" person if he indulges in self-serving pleasure. It makes him as immortal as Luthor in a macro scale.
>You do realize Doctor Manhattan was not supposed to be a good person right?
...Which is the point, you nitwit.
Are you people pulling my leg? Are you having a problem with basic ethics? Or are you that deep in characterhomosexualry?
Go back to your cartoon jerkoff threads then, Black person.
He’s just covering all of his bases when it comes to moral goodness
No he's not, he's slacking.
...And that matters how? Did I ever say I was a Superfan? Do you base your life choices off capeshit characters?
(you)
Sure, that's PIS and it makes them buttholes, but like the Silver Surfer, their roles in and out of universe are different. They're C-Listers with some powers, they're not idols. The same criticisms could apply to reality warpers like say, Jaime Braddock. But Jaime Braddock is an insane, egotistical c**t, so there's no point to criticize him.
You are a human with responsibilities, needs and a limited life span. You could theoretically do more than simply feed a stray dog, but you have needs and duties that drag you down. Superman has no limitations. His wasted time is of his own choosing. Which would be fine, if he wasn't treated as a saint. Do you know what the point of saints was? That they devoted literally every single second serving others until their death. Now, we've got an immortal, god-like being who wastes time for no reason, and is yet revered as a saint. Do you get it now?
You have a very strange and toxic view on morality that makes sense on paper but would bring no joy, satisfaction, or motivation to anyone participating in it. I would actually like to see a story with it like in
but worldwide, Where every human is forced to give to the best of their abilities for every other human out of "moral obligation", But no one enjoys doing it or has any regard for their own wellbeing
There's a reason Nietzche went insane when he tried to live consistently by purely materialist values.
>he's still too moronic to get it
I never expected much from Superdaddygays, but Christ are you lot moronic.
You shouldn't go around throwing off names and terms if you have no idea how they function.
I understand it perfectly, you little n word, you. You're saying everyone who could donate their luxuries and volunteer at a soup kitchen but does not is bad person (Yourself included), Because they are technically able to. You are intentionally holding an infinite expectation and unironically calling people who don't conform to it "not good enough". hence superman is le bad. You are stupid and your saints don't exist.
>he can't understand the concept of proportional responsibility
>he can't understand that we're talking about a fictional god upon whose real laws don't apply
And the cherry on top
>he's a tumblrfugee who can't say Black person
Imagine being such a moronic gayBlack person that a concept as simple as Spider-man's motto if you want me to make it plainer, still filters you. I'm not responding to you anymore. I hope you get raped to death by a bunch of feral chimps.
He's not human. He's not even just a cape. He's powered to an absurd degree and if they want to keep that a part of him then questions about his character arise, such that can't be deflected by a simple appeals to some base human needs that certainly do not apply to him.
>can't refute anything
>"l-lmao u d-dumb"
Go back.
Saying Black person just isn't hip anymore.
>Go back to your cartoon jerkoff threads then,
Totally something Superman would say.
>Because none of them have powers on his level
Both captain Atom and Firestorm can change things on the atomic level. They could create infinite energy, solve world hunger etc.
Cool blog, bro.
>I'll say it first, that I don't hate Superman. The concept or the character. But as it is, he is completely broken. Mostly because nobody can decide whether he's a fictional person in a story, or some hacky notion of an "idea". The problem that most point to, him being overpowered
Your arguments aren't worth entertaining my thoughts.
I want a 2 part superman comic were superman gets pushed to the limit and fights all out and there's all kinds of damage and death with batman having to help calm down superman with the justice league helping and even the teen titans helping. Have the ending be all melodramatic with the death of several characters as a representation of what happens when superman loses it and have a long melodramatic speech with superman explaining to batman why he has to try so hard not to lose it when fighting and this is why. I would want it to reestablish superman as the single most powerful superman
Huh, I wonder who is the bald fatass behind this post.
> The problem is that he has all this tremendous power yet he acts like any other cape.
Geez it’s kinda like he is the first American superhero. What’s next, Romeo and Juliet is bad because it is a enemies to lovers trope?
This entire argument is founded on that being the most moral you can be is based on spending all time that does not impede your survival and needs but that somehow Superman, despite being raised as a human, should not (since it would make him less moral because of opportunity costs) engage in relationships or hobbies or a fulfilling job since he’s got amazing power and more time than other people (if writers wish him to be a moral paragon). He still feels like a human, even if he’s kryptonian so of course he still needs relationships and time to relax. Just because his survival needs are extremely easy to fulfill by being able to live in a fortress, get food/water when he wants doesn’t mean he skips everything else. Also, you’re wrong about him having more time. He has more theoretical time, sure, but what are the chances he just dies defending the earth? Pretty damn high considering the threat levels in the galaxy, so in practice his life is a lot shorter than the average kryptonian. Another thing is putting the absolute most time into doing good isn’t the minimum for being the most virtuous being. Could you say he’s being a little selfish by taking time out of his days to do human stuff? Sure, but being only selfless == ultimate do gooder. There’s a point where it’s at the cost of yourself, even if you have the powers of Superman.
Basically, my points are
1. Just because he has godlike powers doesn’t mean he has 0 human desires
2. He doesn’t have unlimited time, that’s like saying an unaging soldier that is thrown into heated battles on a regular basis has unlimited time
3. Since he has human desires, it is ok to act upon them, it is not necessary to spend all of your time on others to be the poster boy for altruism
Fricking 1% Batgays always trying to bring done the farmer superheroes.
Thats what makes him based tbh, you cant fix the world no matter how powerful you are, might as well live your life and do the right thing one day at a time
Makes him a great foil to Batman and pretty much every other character in the DC Universe
By that logic doctors and firefighters are selfish buttholes for living a normal life instead of working round the clock
Even worse, they demand to be paid for their jobs