I liked it quite a bit though it could have been trimmed at parts, too many 3 hour movies came out last year.
If you liked it you should check out Anatomy of a Fall, gave me similar vibes
its a great film. anti-woke. her performance was a million times better than 'everything everywhere' but I get why she lost.
tar does things that an average male would get destroyed over. but in the movie there's no real resentment for her because you see everything in context. and what she does do wrong (fucking a protege) isn't even worth the damage it does to her career.
it's a massively redpilled film that filtered many.
>and what she does do wrong (fucking a protege)
She didn't do it and nowhere in the film is it conclusive but i agree with everything else you said. Tar is The Hunt but done much better.
>She didn't do it and nowhere in the film is it conclusive
Anon, it's pretty heavily implied that she DID do it, which is why she is so eager to cover her tracks about sabotaging the former protege's career.
she sabotages her career because she stole some of her ideas, god you retards are so inattentive, that's the running theme with her character, she steals ideas,
>it’s anti-woke
Is it? Her life got ruined because she’s generally just a piece of shit and everything about her is fake. She’s narcissistic and even her name “Lydia” is fake.
This anon gets it. She was right about that student being close-minded but she wasn't right about having the same amount of talent that would get her off the hook
Reminder that conductors that aren't also composers of the same stature are fucking frauds
Its not about the talent, its about the damage of cancel culture. We've seen more talented guys in real life get cancelled, someone like kevin spacey has barely recovered from allegedly fucking an 18 yr old.
where it is shown that she had sex with any of them?? I'll wait, and don't give me retarded symbolism because the film is very clear on how she falls because of an allegation, it goes through several motions of her getting cancelled by her social circle but never is she shown sexually compromised with another person.
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It was heavily implied. Show don’t tell.
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Anonymous
You missed the point didn't you? She wasn't even allowed to explain anything not by her partner or her employers. We don't even see the victims side of the story explained. This film was about cancel culture and the dangers of a one sided story, its not about her alleged sexual promiscuity. I mean the director is showing you all the relevant parts but your normalfag mind is filling in disconnected sexual innuendo to explain why she got fired. You don't even remember how her scene with that black gay person was misinterpreted on twitter as her seducing him when all she did was criticize him.
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Anonymous
We do see the victims side of the story explained you dumb bitch. The black gay person scene was irrelevant to why she actually got cancelled.
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Anonymous
Are the women she fucked in the room with us you spastic schizophrenic, or is it that you can't see anything but sex in women because you have been watching porn for decades? You are the kind of stupid normies who cancel people because their actions are heavily implied. This film was made to teach retards like you but it seems it went over your head.
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The movie spells it out for you dumbass. Tars wife even says that Tar got her position because she slept with her. Its all transactional and she deserved to be cancelled because shes the Harvey Weinstein of conductors.
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that does not mean she fucked them you retard, that was probably decades ago and lydia doesn't even get a chance to explain anything to her. The point of that scene was to show how her voice is muzzled along with the other scene where they fire her and then she proceeds to go to the us where the brother also talks down to her and doesn't listen to any explanation
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>the point of that scene was to show how her voice is muzzle
Oh kind of like how she muzzles any opposition when she is in a position of power?
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Isn't it funny how when a movies themes and implications are readily apparent, even directly mirroring real life events for context, there will still be some ostrich with their head up their ass thinking the movie is something different?
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WHERE IS THE 20 MINUTE SCENE OF LYDIA TÁR MUNCHING BOX IF SHE'S SO GUILTY THOUGH? Checkmate atheist, Tár dindu nuffin
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Not that guy but I certainly felt that she had groomed her students previously but I found that power dynamic fascinating. On one hand we see Lydia wielding that power over others and using it to control them, get what she wants or destroy their life should she wish which is juxtaposed with how much power the accusation has to dismantle her own life.
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Its interesting when she decides to fire that guy from the orchestra he accuses her of the grooming and then she does a total woman move and flips it and starts accusing him. Woman moment.
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yes that's her only crime, using her power to appropriate her protege's creations, she incorporates their music and uses that to compose her own then discards them accordingly, but leave to low iq retards to only see sex when the director shows you everything in plains sight
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Also notice how she pukes at the implication of connecting her number 5 composition with fucking a prostitute
I love the film, but I wish they showed how perverted and sexual the classical music industry is. They’re all much stranger and wild than rock musicians IRL.
>all much stranger
Not really, it's more that classical musicians aren't any different than regular musicians irl. BOTH are weird, no one is more weird than the other.
>that scene where she was picking hoares in thai brothel and it reminded her of picking hot gals from the orchestra and it hit her how disgusting it was
There's also atleast two blink-and-you-miss it scenes of a shadowy figure sitting in her room when she wakes up at night, plus the screaming she hears in the park
>supposedly prestigious music university where only the best of the best can make it into >uuuhhhhhh, aktshually I don't play Bach, he was racist
does anyone actually believe an exchange like that could take place at such a high level of the music world?
I almost turned the film off when this culture war bullshit showed up, felt like I stumbled across a ben shapiro video for a second
It was definitely intentional, the whole scene played like one of those "liberal college student gets rekt compilation", it even had the quirky take down of commenting on his appearance at the end
>Be me. > be in a first-year film studies class 10 years ago. >live in bumfuck nowhere in the midwest. >Doing a unit on Film's use in propaganda. > Teacher wants us to watch Triumph of the WIll, Birth of the Nation and Battleship Potemkin. >Class has 4 students cause an absolute shitstorm to say that we shouldn't watch Birth of a Nation because its racist nor Triumph because it supports Nazis. >Tell them that's the fucking point. >Students still say we shouldn't do it. >Teacher agrees. >We only watch battleship potemkin, all the kiddies think its brilliant.
>I watch the other two on my own time.
>anon acts surprised this kind of retardation is encouraged 10 years later to the point where its represented in film.
>> be in a first-year film studies class 10 years ago.
was your film studies class just some extra course you took or did you go to uni specifically to get a degree in film studies?
because if it's the former I can understand people not caring enough, but if it's the latter then you'd fucking fail for that.
I mean this gay is trying to become a composer and refuses to play Bach of all people, I'd understand if he was just some IT guy who was attending a music session on the side, even though it'd still be an idiotic stance.
>kept watching hoping there will be a Mahler performance down the road >instead it was another shitty movie about American politics
Guess I'll have to wait for Bradly Cooper's role in Berstein for some Mahler kino
>no movie on Wagner yet
My sorrow. Although, given the current political and philosphic ethos of Hollywood, they would probably turn such a film into a character assassination of him because of his anti-gnomish essays, and ignore his un-paralelled mythopoetic genius.
What's the deal with that scene anyway? A simple narrative of her career reaching rock bottom, playing music for a bunch of cosplayers or a character reinvention, chance to begin again?
>A simple narrative of her career reaching rock bottom, playing music for a bunch of cosplayers or a character reinvention, chance to begin again?
Both. The humbling humiliation of her facade allowing her to build something real in the future
It ties in with the stuff she said about Leonard Bernstein: ultimately it's all about the music and helping a younger generation to learn and appreciate it. At the start of the movie she's lost sight of that: it's all about aggrandizing herself, even at the expense of her proteges. At the end she's genuinely able to connect with the essential joy of being a conductor and mentor, even if it's doing corny video game music in SE Asia.
I watched it with my mom and I thought the ending was a tragedy. But my mom disagreed - she said Tar returned to her roots about making people happy through music. That cosplay event audience was really happy to hear the music.
This movie didn't work for me because it was obviously written for a male character but changed to a female at the last minute. It doesn't have the gravitas it would have the other way around, and besides, are there any famous female composers?
There aren't that many female composers in the first place lol.
I liked it quite a bit though it could have been trimmed at parts, too many 3 hour movies came out last year.
If you liked it you should check out Anatomy of a Fall, gave me similar vibes
its a great film. anti-woke. her performance was a million times better than 'everything everywhere' but I get why she lost.
tar does things that an average male would get destroyed over. but in the movie there's no real resentment for her because you see everything in context. and what she does do wrong (fucking a protege) isn't even worth the damage it does to her career.
it's a massively redpilled film that filtered many.
>and what she does do wrong (fucking a protege)
She didn't do it and nowhere in the film is it conclusive but i agree with everything else you said. Tar is The Hunt but done much better.
>She didn't do it and nowhere in the film is it conclusive
Anon, it's pretty heavily implied that she DID do it, which is why she is so eager to cover her tracks about sabotaging the former protege's career.
she sabotages her career because she stole some of her ideas, god you retards are so inattentive, that's the running theme with her character, she steals ideas,
>it’s anti-woke
Is it? Her life got ruined because she’s generally just a piece of shit and everything about her is fake. She’s narcissistic and even her name “Lydia” is fake.
This anon gets it. She was right about that student being close-minded but she wasn't right about having the same amount of talent that would get her off the hook
Reminder that conductors that aren't also composers of the same stature are fucking frauds
Its not about the talent, its about the damage of cancel culture. We've seen more talented guys in real life get cancelled, someone like kevin spacey has barely recovered from allegedly fucking an 18 yr old.
She kinda deserved it anon. She groomed young women with false promises in exchange for sexual favours
where it is shown that she had sex with any of them?? I'll wait, and don't give me retarded symbolism because the film is very clear on how she falls because of an allegation, it goes through several motions of her getting cancelled by her social circle but never is she shown sexually compromised with another person.
It was heavily implied. Show don’t tell.
You missed the point didn't you? She wasn't even allowed to explain anything not by her partner or her employers. We don't even see the victims side of the story explained. This film was about cancel culture and the dangers of a one sided story, its not about her alleged sexual promiscuity. I mean the director is showing you all the relevant parts but your normalfag mind is filling in disconnected sexual innuendo to explain why she got fired. You don't even remember how her scene with that black gay person was misinterpreted on twitter as her seducing him when all she did was criticize him.
We do see the victims side of the story explained you dumb bitch. The black gay person scene was irrelevant to why she actually got cancelled.
Are the women she fucked in the room with us you spastic schizophrenic, or is it that you can't see anything but sex in women because you have been watching porn for decades? You are the kind of stupid normies who cancel people because their actions are heavily implied. This film was made to teach retards like you but it seems it went over your head.
The movie spells it out for you dumbass. Tars wife even says that Tar got her position because she slept with her. Its all transactional and she deserved to be cancelled because shes the Harvey Weinstein of conductors.
that does not mean she fucked them you retard, that was probably decades ago and lydia doesn't even get a chance to explain anything to her. The point of that scene was to show how her voice is muzzled along with the other scene where they fire her and then she proceeds to go to the us where the brother also talks down to her and doesn't listen to any explanation
>the point of that scene was to show how her voice is muzzle
Oh kind of like how she muzzles any opposition when she is in a position of power?
Isn't it funny how when a movies themes and implications are readily apparent, even directly mirroring real life events for context, there will still be some ostrich with their head up their ass thinking the movie is something different?
WHERE IS THE 20 MINUTE SCENE OF LYDIA TÁR MUNCHING BOX IF SHE'S SO GUILTY THOUGH? Checkmate atheist, Tár dindu nuffin
Not that guy but I certainly felt that she had groomed her students previously but I found that power dynamic fascinating. On one hand we see Lydia wielding that power over others and using it to control them, get what she wants or destroy their life should she wish which is juxtaposed with how much power the accusation has to dismantle her own life.
Its interesting when she decides to fire that guy from the orchestra he accuses her of the grooming and then she does a total woman move and flips it and starts accusing him. Woman moment.
yes that's her only crime, using her power to appropriate her protege's creations, she incorporates their music and uses that to compose her own then discards them accordingly, but leave to low iq retards to only see sex when the director shows you everything in plains sight
Also notice how she pukes at the implication of connecting her number 5 composition with fucking a prostitute
>Actors
>Talented
They don't create shit. On the flip side look at James Gunn, dude was anti-cancelled because people want him to continue creating
>film about a cunty dyke
>anti-woke
This is why things will never change.
>(fucking a protege)
she shuts down the career of the redhair girl with lies and she kills herself
I love the film, but I wish they showed how perverted and sexual the classical music industry is. They’re all much stranger and wild than rock musicians IRL.
>all much stranger
Not really, it's more that classical musicians aren't any different than regular musicians irl. BOTH are weird, no one is more weird than the other.
>that scene where she was picking hoares in thai brothel and it reminded her of picking hot gals from the orchestra and it hit her how disgusting it was
They should've gone all out with the horror aspect and have the dead girl's ghost actually haunt her
I thought the dead girls ghost was actually haunting her. The metronome turning on, the book missing, the dog in the run down apartment.
There's also atleast two blink-and-you-miss it scenes of a shadowy figure sitting in her room when she wakes up at night, plus the screaming she hears in the park
Fucking based. I need to watch it again, missed those.
I had to stop the movie to masterbate
>supposedly prestigious music university where only the best of the best can make it into
>uuuhhhhhh, aktshually I don't play Bach, he was racist
does anyone actually believe an exchange like that could take place at such a high level of the music world?
I almost turned the film off when this culture war bullshit showed up, felt like I stumbled across a ben shapiro video for a second
I 100% believe a retarded exchange like can take place in today's universities, they are beyond hope.
It was definitely intentional, the whole scene played like one of those "liberal college student gets rekt compilation", it even had the quirky take down of commenting on his appearance at the end
>Be me.
> be in a first-year film studies class 10 years ago.
>live in bumfuck nowhere in the midwest.
>Doing a unit on Film's use in propaganda.
> Teacher wants us to watch Triumph of the WIll, Birth of the Nation and Battleship Potemkin.
>Class has 4 students cause an absolute shitstorm to say that we shouldn't watch Birth of a Nation because its racist nor Triumph because it supports Nazis.
>Tell them that's the fucking point.
>Students still say we shouldn't do it.
>Teacher agrees.
>We only watch battleship potemkin, all the kiddies think its brilliant.
>I watch the other two on my own time.
>anon acts surprised this kind of retardation is encouraged 10 years later to the point where its represented in film.
>mfw
>> be in a first-year film studies class 10 years ago.
was your film studies class just some extra course you took or did you go to uni specifically to get a degree in film studies?
because if it's the former I can understand people not caring enough, but if it's the latter then you'd fucking fail for that.
I mean this gay is trying to become a composer and refuses to play Bach of all people, I'd understand if he was just some IT guy who was attending a music session on the side, even though it'd still be an idiotic stance.
>it's a woman does a thing movie
>kept watching hoping there will be a Mahler performance down the road
>instead it was another shitty movie about American politics
Guess I'll have to wait for Bradly Cooper's role in Berstein for some Mahler kino
>no movie on Wagner yet
My sorrow. Although, given the current political and philosphic ethos of Hollywood, they would probably turn such a film into a character assassination of him because of his anti-gnomish essays, and ignore his un-paralelled mythopoetic genius.
I said a film on Wagner, not some Liszt-Wagner fan-fiction.
>he doesnt know
what's the joke here? that Mahler was a garden gnome?
it's an allegory about his conversion to catholicism
>what's the joke here?
ask Ken Russell
>She conducts the score for the video game series Monster Hunter in front of an audience of cosplayers.
What's the deal with that scene anyway? A simple narrative of her career reaching rock bottom, playing music for a bunch of cosplayers or a character reinvention, chance to begin again?
>A simple narrative of her career reaching rock bottom, playing music for a bunch of cosplayers or a character reinvention, chance to begin again?
Both. The humbling humiliation of her facade allowing her to build something real in the future
It ties in with the stuff she said about Leonard Bernstein: ultimately it's all about the music and helping a younger generation to learn and appreciate it. At the start of the movie she's lost sight of that: it's all about aggrandizing herself, even at the expense of her proteges. At the end she's genuinely able to connect with the essential joy of being a conductor and mentor, even if it's doing corny video game music in SE Asia.
>haunted
haha it's funny cause she's literally haunted by a ghost
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I'm glad someone finally made a film standing up for /ourguy/.
garden gnome
I watched it with my mom and I thought the ending was a tragedy. But my mom disagreed - she said Tar returned to her roots about making people happy through music. That cosplay event audience was really happy to hear the music.
Your moms a dumbass it was a humiliation
This movie didn't work for me because it was obviously written for a male character but changed to a female at the last minute. It doesn't have the gravitas it would have the other way around, and besides, are there any famous female composers?
There aren't that many female composers in the first place lol.