Tell me why cartoons these days suck without using the letter ESG, or blackrock, or millennial, or woke, or nepotism
Tell me why cartoons these days suck without using the letter ESG, or blackrock, or millennial, or woke, or nepotism
Tell me why cartoons these days suck without using the letter ESG, or blackrock, or millennial, or woke, or nepotism
They're made by people who suck at their job.
Designed by A.I. committees.
Lazy artists who don't actually know how animation works and substitute digital art and programs to do all that work that individuals can't.
>Lazy producers who don't actually know how animation works and substitute digital art and programs to do all that work that individuals can't.
ftfy
>using the letter E
not good, anon. not good at all.
you're asking where shit comes from without mentioning anuses or the digestive system.
DotA
This.
Professor Lewis expands on this in his book "The Discarded Image."
He mentions that even up to the late middle ages, "genius" was thought of as an outside force acting upon a person.
I recommend the book, but keep in mind it was intended for Oxford Medieval Literature students. There's quite a bit of Latin.
>He mentions that even up to the late middle ages, "genius" was thought of as an outside force acting upon a person.
I don't believe in divine inspiration, muses, or a collective unconsciousness.
>tell me what is 2+2
>and don't say 4 give a real answer
1+3
2^2
Samefag doing the mathematical equivalent of avoiding the question.
i only did the top two (You)s
>Ackshually, only 2/3 of the samefag posts were me
Just because the jannies over at Reddit are having a gay little slapfight doesn't mean you homosexuals need to come over here to shit the place up.
No one takes animation seriously. There.
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Unironically this
Especially given you struck nepotism as a reason. For fuck sake the fact people are hired on to shows because they know the right people rather through merit is the biggest reason for its decline.
Unfocused corporations and studios with severe risk aversity demanding maximal returns on minimal investment creating ever expanding crew responsibilities, ever shrinking crew numbers, and demanding rapid turnaround, while being guided by mercurial and easily manipulated social media trends to determine everything from tone, content, style, to staffing.
>Animation schools don't teach good draftsmanship and in general don't really prepare you for the industry
>Companies are scared to fund anything that isn't aimed at toddlers
>Creators that do somehow manage to get funding keep making shows with no real audience in mind
>Entire industry seems to consider the young male demographic lost to anime and vidya
Also fuck you, the nepotism is an issue.
>Tell me what 2+2 is.
>AND DON'T FUCKING TELL ME IT'S 4, OKAY!?!?!
sqrt(16)
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Nothing feels genuine, it's all wish-fulfillment fantasy where the writers' perfect world can be made or ironic detachment where you wonder why you're supposed to care about the story when the characters don't.
>companies don't want to take risks with new franchises
>creators using their shows to vent frustrations
>creators wanting to spread a message too hard instead of focusing on pure entertainment and escapism
>repetitive art styles
They're not fun anymore.
have you considered you grew up?
you're old
Sinking ship industry.
Western animation is still heavily-dependent on children for viewership, and thus children are usually the main audience.
The advent of smartphones and tablets led to children preferring YouTube (and later Twitch) to watch whatever, whenever. Cable TV has been circling the drain for almost a decade now.
Less eyes on the media = less eyes on advertisement = less money from advertisers = less programming from network shows.
>"But what about streaming platforms that host cartoons?"
They still have to compete against the Internet and whatever chucklefuck content creator manages to get the most clicks (or, in this case, taps) from kids/tweens/teens.
My opinion is new generation gatekeeping and the new generation are less mature.
What I don't get is how it seems like every girl in the new generation is obsessed with anime, specifically Sailor Moon.
The rest of the new generation is also shameless weebs. So I guess being a weeb makes you a talentless hack that is more concerned with putting a anime reference in the cartoon than making the cartoon good.
There's probably more actual reasons but I think there's something to be said and a correlation between these dogshit cartoons and the new generation making them being obsessed with anime more than actual Western cartoons of the past.
anime has its own problems and is not perfect but the reality of the situation is anime is consistently punching upwards into genuine competition if not dominance of higher budget tiers of western stuff.
and part of this is just understanding the basic rules of the art enough to know where you can cut corners and where not and the west has just thrown that basic understanding to the curb for the most part.
if you gave every western studio an order to put together a small anime op style music video for one of their shows only a handful would give you something thats not just hot garbage.
and that just shows why anime is dollar per dollar outperforming western stuff by a huge margin add in a corporate culture that is not circling the drain and anime's are queuing up years if not decades in advance and western studios are dying.
the younger kids are superficially imitating the lower budget foreign stuff that won in their generation without figuring out the actual craft that let them get that far with cheap animation.
Tweening.
The Internet
You-know-who
Companies just chasing the almighty dollar. And sadly what makes the most money right now sucks.
Too many troons
Bottom text.
Lack of skills writing and animating.
Boomers were the last generation that knew how to make good cartoons and none of their knowledge was passed on. It’s a permanently lost art at this point.
Writing teams have been disbanded, meaning less people work on a single episode at a time
They're made by people with no real life experience or worthwhile inspiration, who spent their youth watching anime, writing fanfiction, and posting terrible fanart on deviantart and tumblr. Everything these people make is derivative and offensively self-indulgent.
Egotistical boomers
All the best western 2d animators are silent/greatest gen and they believed in animation as a serious artistic medium.
Boomers just saw it as kids stuff and never took it as seriously, so their shows were insincere and just a vehicle to sell toys.
Later generations adopted the boomer mindset but instead see it as a vehicle to sell politics.
The message
No good work…guys.
Snout nation
Corporate interests strangle genuinely passionate creators, while any genuinely passionate creator who seeks to create something outside of corporate interests gets strangled by lack of funding.
The core issue with a lot of the animation industry honestly is that it has to be managed by a company. I know it's pretentious to say "lul cuz capitalism" but honestly the profit incentive does hurt a lot of modern cartoons. There are plenty of shows (and movies) which break out of these issues, but generally they are the exception, not the rule. Pretty much all of your "blacklisted terms" are symptoms of these issues.
Nepotism is a big thing, but nepotism also gave us a lot of what's been great about animation for the past hundred years or so. It is ALSO an issue of corporate interests, because people you know make something profitable are safe options to maintain.
>Corporate interests strangle genuinely passionate creators
Steven Universe was a "genuinely passionate" show and it turned out to be shit.
I'd take a thousand more steven universes over Primos or Total Drama Babies forever
USA really should create something similar to French CNC, to encourage the creation of independants studios, artists would be more free on the process. It's also a great tool of soft power.
I wouldn't say "suck" is the right word. Cartoons nowadays vary by show to show, such is always status quo.
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because you're old.
A lot of animation teams nowadays generally are a lot more interested in pandering twenty to thirty something animation fans on the internet than actually making an entertaining product.
Like, if you look at a lot of these creators, they seem interested with the idea of making a cartoon for the sake of bragging about making a cartoon without having any idea of what they actually want to make.
one part of it is while far more functional media ecosystems have respect for different media forms america is very much tiered on that front comic writers are more or less bottom of the barrel guys the union can not be arsed to fire and cartoons are not much higher like wise old media does not particularly value animation projects and new media streaming platforms are just one or two steps up.
corporate side is not really much better itself with advertising becoming less and less influential of a revenue stream between cord cutting and subscriptions successful animated projects need to be larger multimedia projects that can build additional revenue streams usually toys but disney does a lot more and hasbro is huge in shows. and that adds a lot to the scrutiny on animated projects everyone loved courage the cowardly dog but execs did not think they could sell pink dog toys so it got the axe. on top of that business climate has been on the down curve for decades so thin margin and highly volatile projects like animation are handled very cautiously usually by morons but thats a whole other rabbit hole.
then on the whole ESG side you want to ignore there is just the encroaching reality of a complete cultural divorce happening in america between globohomo and more or less white america for all the resistance "right wing" minorities are showing for maybe one generation in the melting pot.
white birth rates have been in the toilet so long they will hit minority status as soon as the boomer dieoff hits and there simply is no disposable income replacement the cheap slave labor the left is shoving in like sardines will work for pennies sure but those cheap mexican construction workers are not advancing into the tradesmen positions that are 90% boomer and this lack of high quality labor needed to use those cheap slaves is pervasive throughout the system america is just plunging headlong towards a financial cliff and the leaders are just idiots or abandoning ship
Because of the woke millennials, nepotism, ESG, and especially BlackRock
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>blackrock
is that the nickname your wife gives to Jerome?
I could easily explain why using the letter J or even the letter N.
What do Jamaica and Nepal have to do with the state of animation?
>tell me why cartoons these days suck, without using any of the reasons why they suck
I feel like an issue is most modern writers are influenced by a limited reference pool, consisting mostly of anime, cartoons and Nintendo games.
>There’s a surprisingly large amount of people on here aware of the Reddit drama
The janny slapfight featured on Kiwifarms right now.
I want nothing to do with Reddit, but those homosexuals keep coming over here and spreading their shit.
Isn't that site impossible to reach now without a certain browser?
I think it's because companies don't know what you can do with animation, no one reads comics and when they do companies don't pitch it as an animation, milking pre-existing properties dry and not gambling on new animation. Not allowing known porn artists into the industry and keeping costs extremely low, bred character designs to be quick and cheap to draw.
1. You're not twelve anymore. A lot of cartoons from your youth were not good and you have nostalgia
2. You're not twelve anymore. You're not the target audience for these shows and you miss jokes because you don't have the frame of reference
3. Executives are still too afraid to take any creative risks so only shows similar to other shows get greenlit
4. Some good and creative cartoons get made anyway but you're watching other shit instead.
5. No one on this board watches cartoons anymore they just culture war bitch at thumbnails.
>5. No one on this board watches cartoons anymore they just culture war bitch at thumbnails.
What was the last cartoon Cinemaphile seemed to even kind of like? Infinity Train Season 3?
There have been recent shows that have a fanbase on Cinemaphile, like Centaurworld or Inside Job, but they never got that many threads.
IT S2 was the last one I remember being universally praised. Owl House/Amphibia are more controversial but those three are the last ones that get actual discussion
The israelites.
Not the only problem but shit is too didactic now. Even adult shows gotta teach some moral every episode. And it would be fine if the show actually had something to say but they dont do it organically at all. Character will just blatantly state the morals to the camera in a monologue. Every episode is an afterschool special now.
They’re made by people that lack a basic understanding of writing so they have to supplement it with other things.
because Trump mind-broke the entire industry
People have been making jokes about him since the 80s.
I think you're the one who is mindbroken.
>get a braindead "no u" response
>disprove your stupid comment
>get banned
I can tell I'm dealing with professional debaters here, lol
writers writing stories for themselves instead of for the audience
it's the exact opposite actually
No it's not. Are you trying to tell me that modern Simpsons writers even know they have an audience and aren't just writing essays to make themselves feel better?
women
Couple reasons, one in story department, one in the art department.
Story: these shows are no longer written by people with life experience, they're written by people who grew up watching cartoons and regurgitate what they saw growing up (this is also a big problem with anime)
Art: competent animators no longer exist, pic related.
SJWs
Oversaturation
"Bad".
cartoons today suck bad and i'm not happy
Because most cartoons are IPs instead of works of love and art. They are pushed by MBA executive vermin, instead of creators with a passion or vision. They are drawn by overgrown children who are more interested in pushing their vapid personal politics, instead of experienced and skilled adults who wish to entertain.
Giggling uncontrollably at Manslaughter tbqh
>Tell me about the smoke without blaming the fire
In addition to everything you mentioned, "optimization" and bad talent pool.
>Optimization
Corporations want as much profit for as little a gambit as possible. But to make money you have to invest money, which they're loathe to do. Investing is gambling. And so every cartoon is as barebones as possible, and every corporation uses the same formula.
>Overly simplified style
>No shading
>Barely any motion
>Nothing but 45° camera angle
>Outsourcing to Korea
>Reboots so as to start with an audience
>Treating the fans as hooked and aiming for other audiences instead
>Tone as sensationless as possible so as to not offend any group that could lobby
>Bad talent pool
"Talent", not talented.
>Shitty writers, who do no research on the shows they write for if they are reboots or original shows if they were brought aboard in later seasons
>Shitty animators who were badly trained and expect to commit as little effort as possible
>Unprofessional showrunners who treat their job as psychotherapy and funding for their dream project
>Shitty aspirants who emulate the styles and themes that are killing the industry in order to show that they fir in and should be hired
Woke
Generally bad writing, lack of experience and talent amongst newer writers, who lean heavily on what they're told is funny instead of doing what really is funny.
Woke
Capitalism demands endless growth, and the only ways to achieve that are to reduce costs (cut writers, animators, anyone that's talented enough to demand high pay) and/or maximize profit (try to appeal to new demographics in such a way as to please no one)
But because even questioning capitalism is frowned upon here, people will blame the symptoms rather than the cause.
I don't think so; japaneses are extremely capitalist, they produce an increasing amount of anime each year with the in-between animation being out sourced in south-korea. The great difference is that 80% of japanese animation series are adapation of existing stories, while western cartoons are mostly original stories, there is a lot more work to do to produce original cartoons than an adaptation one.