>battle of minas tirith >battle of the pelennor fields >battle of the morannon >frodo and sam walk through gorgoroth from cirith ungol >sauron dies, mount doom explodes >all of this in ONE day
Hackson you hack
literally, LITERALLY, nothing in the film implies this all happens in one day. In fact there are several implications that there are at the very least multiple days if not a week between the end of the battle of pellenor fields and the battle at the black gate; both from the perspective of the men at Minas Tirith and the Hobbits in Mordor.
>Would that have been so tacky?
Yes. Jesus Christ that would have sucked. Credit to Hackson for having Gandalf stop on a hill and announce where they are for us.
The only title cards in the film are the title itself and the opening credits.
Logic isn't really conducive to the construction of blockbuster films and he's pretty blunt about it in all the interviews he gave to the press when questioned about it
The average person finds autistic nitpicking far more grating than sources changes to fit a format
>2/3rds of the way through the journey some manlet strangles another manlet and then shapeshifts into gollum and crawls into a cave
what the frick was that about?
Why did the orcs give up and run away just because Saurons eye fell down? They still had the human army massively outnumbered and surrounded, they could have easily killed them all, headed straight to the now almost completely undefended Gondor and taken it over with ease.
Orcs are greedy violent and very egocentric. Without a big baddy to keep them organised they would just end up slaughtering each other. So at this point they would be running into the army of humans, get wrecked, then after the battle if the ones they went in first and got fricked up survive they would just be getting fricked by the next bigger and uninjured orc, so best option at that point for most is just to bail the frick out of there.
Sauron's will inhabits the minds of his entire army. When he notices the Ring is right there inside Mordor, he forgets all about his army, and that alone causes a kind of shock to go through them, as their minds are shaken free from his will. The movies don't fully portray what a godlike force of nature Sauron was.
Don't you remember that pretty much all land that Sauron's forces were standing on fell away down into nothingness? Almost the entire army got wiped out immediately after he died. Only a few that were outside Mordor were ablr to run away
>facing numerically superior enemy >Enemy made chokepoint right in front of you >group everyone up far enough back to allow them to circle and surround you
in hindsight maybe letting the get who spent the last few decades wandering around the back wood be in charge of strategy wasn't the best idea
>get right up to gate >get pelted with arrows, frick-off big rocks
Nah. You issue the challenge to a field battle from a distance because you don't want ot get close to the fortifications.
Giving your men nowhere to run against an enemy that would eat them if they surrender is a based strategy if the plan is to buy as much time as possible.
UUUUUUUUUUUH actually those aren't dragons they are shadow beasts ok and they were created AFTER the steads died when that homie Glorfindel cheated by summoning neptune
Because it was supposed to be a stealth mission. After all, they didn't want anyone, Gondor, Saruman, Elves, etc, to know what they were really after and seize the Ring themselves. The original intelligence they were going on from Gollum was a hobbit had the One Ring in the Shire and nobody was aware. If they had set forth in strength they would have been intercepted or harried or tracked.
Honestly he had evil men on his side. The reason he sent Nazgul is prolly cuz evil men would grab the ring for themselves, or Saruman would bribe them. Nazgul are un-bribeable cuz they're Sauron's ring-slaves.
Yes and Christopher Tolkien himself called out that bullshit when he saw the movie. The Nazgul were deadly silent in the book. Only once did they ever scream like that to rally themselves when on the hunt. Jackson had them constantly screaming like banshees.
It was a good touch and not everything has to be perfectly faithful to the text or it would play out poorly on screen. It's really easy to take the creativity of those films for granted when almost every scene has something iconic going on in it. There are scenes in which the Nazgul were they are appropriately silent too, like in Bree and by the hollow on the road.
I dont think anyone who has actually read the books have ever claimed that the movies are 100% faithful. Cutting out the scouring of the shire in its entirety should be enough proof of that. Its still an absolute fact that the movies are masterful adaptations and extremely faithful to the tone and atmosphere of middle earth, despite the characters not breaking into song every other minute.
I admire that there is as much singing in the trilogy as it is. Most directors would not have the balls to pull that off.
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I dont think its on youtube anymore but I remember seeing an edit with the hobbits on the road, but instead of Frodo sensing the Nazgul approaching, you could just barely hear "hey tom, hop along, ring a donga dilloooo" and Frodos panicked GET OFF THE ROAD, QUICK made me fall out of my chair
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So many excellent quality early memes were made with LOTR.
They're taking the hobbits to isengard!
Is it weird to anyone else that Gondor's capital city is right outside mordor and within viewing distance? Like usually they are deep in the territory, like Rohan's. Also it was weird that all human factions appeared to just have 2-3 cities
The trilogy peaked with Fellowship. That was the one with the most heart and most realistic battles. Two towers had CGI nonsense out the ass with Aragorn and the Rohirrim riding out of a castle into besieging orcs and weightlessly punting them aside with horses while Legolas surfed down stairs, and ROTK threw away all pretense of realism in favour of Hackson's dumb frick idea of what epic looks like with it's empty flat fields and CGI armies. This shit epitomizes how far the trilogy fell: even with CGI Jackson makes no attempt to make the shot look realistic or coherent. All the professional soldiers just huddle together in a giant discordant blob instead of having any sort of battle line or making any attempt to stop themselves from being surrounded while a million bazillion orcs file out and are allowed to leisurely surround them. It looks completely silly and uninteresting and makes zero logical sense at any level.
When people talk about how good the Lord of the rings trilogy was they're talking about how good the Fellowship and soundtrack was.
yeah they still reined in hackson there and they also had to use old ass coloring tech, jackson went back and recolored that too and was all >man I wish we had modern stuff back there.
That depends on how they plan the fight. If they were smart and disciplined, they'd have a shield wall surrounding the entire army. This is the green part. Then they'd have men just behind those, ready to take the place of any who fall or need to fall back, with a row after that (in red) as Pikemen. Everyone after should either be support, replacement or ranged. Alternatively, an entire shield wall to stop any and all ranged assault unless it was heavy siege weaponry. This would make them basically immortal, at least for a short time.
Violently running out like Aragorn did is the worst possible situation.
Not with the second part of my text; >Alternatively, an entire shield wall to stop any and all ranged assault unless it was heavy siege weaponry
i.e. a testudo
Middle of what? Earth? So is everybody on the planet, moron.
>battle of minas tirith
>battle of the pelennor fields
>battle of the morannon
>frodo and sam walk through gorgoroth from cirith ungol
>sauron dies, mount doom explodes
>all of this in ONE day
Hackson you hack
literally, LITERALLY, nothing in the film implies this all happens in one day. In fact there are several implications that there are at the very least multiple days if not a week between the end of the battle of pellenor fields and the battle at the black gate; both from the perspective of the men at Minas Tirith and the Hobbits in Mordor.
I think there should have been more “time lapse” too but it had to be like 2 and a half hours at most for theaters.
RotK was 200 mins theatrical.
>Too many endings man
>Too many endings
god I hate this moronic take.
Seems like you need the old "x DAYS LATER" helper, Anon
Would that have been so tacky?
>Would that have been so tacky?
Yes. Jesus Christ that would have sucked. Credit to Hackson for having Gandalf stop on a hill and announce where they are for us.
The only title cards in the film are the title itself and the opening credits.
sam and frodo wandered mordor for the better part of a week
So they just drank each other's pee for thirst huh?
No they did that for fun. Sating their thirst was an unintended but useful side effect.
Logic isn't really conducive to the construction of blockbuster films and he's pretty blunt about it in all the interviews he gave to the press when questioned about it
The average person finds autistic nitpicking far more grating than sources changes to fit a format
>literally see night combat in Minas Tirith
youre moronic
To be fair, in the books the skys are darkened by a miasma, so the whole battle for pellenor fields takes place in darkness.
the houses of healing scene is implied to take place over several days. are you dumb
little c**ts, ain’t watching your RoP(e)
> Freddy Shaggins walks from the Shire to Mordor in 9 hours
Jackson you HACK
>Last Alliance destroys Sauron + his armies
>Like 5 minutes later he's rebuilt it all and is attacking the Shire
Bullshit Jack
>2/3rds of the way through the journey some manlet strangles another manlet and then shapeshifts into gollum and crawls into a cave
what the frick was that about?
Bro not even one day, try like an hour and a half
>receive the glory of being at the "final stand"
>all you had to do was stand there
>no cavalry
>no officer in sight
Fricking good luck homosexualarinos hahaha
They're wasting circumference space with that formation.
Make a donut.
Why didn't the orcs just throw spears and shoot arrows? They would have won with no casualties
Why did the orcs give up and run away just because Saurons eye fell down? They still had the human army massively outnumbered and surrounded, they could have easily killed them all, headed straight to the now almost completely undefended Gondor and taken it over with ease.
this happens all the time. without your leader/ king what are you fighting for. organization etc collapses and huge armies get routed
>what are you fighting for.
To take over the human lands because they're nicer than yours?
Orcs are greedy violent and very egocentric. Without a big baddy to keep them organised they would just end up slaughtering each other. So at this point they would be running into the army of humans, get wrecked, then after the battle if the ones they went in first and got fricked up survive they would just be getting fricked by the next bigger and uninjured orc, so best option at that point for most is just to bail the frick out of there.
cool it with the antisemitism
this. real orcs would have screamed FOR THE HORDE and banzai charged
Sauron's will inhabits the minds of his entire army. When he notices the Ring is right there inside Mordor, he forgets all about his army, and that alone causes a kind of shock to go through them, as their minds are shaken free from his will. The movies don't fully portray what a godlike force of nature Sauron was.
Hierarchies and reward systems are intertwined - why fight and die for a cause that doesn't provide you any kind of direct benefit?
This seems self-explanatory
Don't you remember that pretty much all land that Sauron's forces were standing on fell away down into nothingness? Almost the entire army got wiped out immediately after he died. Only a few that were outside Mordor were ablr to run away
Eagles would have caught them out of the sky.
not my problem
>>Me still in the outhouse after stopping to take a shit in the ruins of Osgiliath
Hey guys what did I miss?
why didn't the ring wraiths build little carriages so they could ferry infantry up to the upper levels of minas tirith
they could build siege towers and 100 foot battering rams for gods sake
>facing numerically superior enemy
>Enemy made chokepoint right in front of you
>group everyone up far enough back to allow them to circle and surround you
in hindsight maybe letting the get who spent the last few decades wandering around the back wood be in charge of strategy wasn't the best idea
>get right up to gate
>get pelted with arrows, frick-off big rocks
Nah. You issue the challenge to a field battle from a distance because you don't want ot get close to the fortifications.
They can be pelted with arrow just the same this way
Giving your men nowhere to run against an enemy that would eat them if they surrender is a based strategy if the plan is to buy as much time as possible.
Anon, it was a last stand. He WANTED to be surrounded.
Why did they allow themselves to be surrounded
Yep. The gate coulda been an excellent chokepoint but of course Hackson chose to go full anime
If you're in the middle and the battle starts going badly, you'll have no chance to retreat and you'll end up crushed as your allies retreat inwardly
why didn’t the Nazgûl ride dragons from the beginning?
UUUUUUUUUUUH actually those aren't dragons they are shadow beasts ok and they were created AFTER the steads died when that homie Glorfindel cheated by summoning neptune
That's inaccurate. I just saw on rings of power that they had fel beasts for hundreds of years
that's just bezos fanfic
They needed to level up first.
yup. their riding skill was still too low then
Discretion
Because it was supposed to be a stealth mission. After all, they didn't want anyone, Gondor, Saruman, Elves, etc, to know what they were really after and seize the Ring themselves. The original intelligence they were going on from Gollum was a hobbit had the One Ring in the Shire and nobody was aware. If they had set forth in strength they would have been intercepted or harried or tracked.
>stealth
>nazgul screech like autistic children every time they appear
Well, who else should he send? Some orcs? A cave troll? A dragon?
Honestly he had evil men on his side. The reason he sent Nazgul is prolly cuz evil men would grab the ring for themselves, or Saruman would bribe them. Nazgul are un-bribeable cuz they're Sauron's ring-slaves.
Yes and Christopher Tolkien himself called out that bullshit when he saw the movie. The Nazgul were deadly silent in the book. Only once did they ever scream like that to rally themselves when on the hunt. Jackson had them constantly screaming like banshees.
It was a good touch and not everything has to be perfectly faithful to the text or it would play out poorly on screen. It's really easy to take the creativity of those films for granted when almost every scene has something iconic going on in it. There are scenes in which the Nazgul were they are appropriately silent too, like in Bree and by the hollow on the road.
I dont think anyone who has actually read the books have ever claimed that the movies are 100% faithful. Cutting out the scouring of the shire in its entirety should be enough proof of that. Its still an absolute fact that the movies are masterful adaptations and extremely faithful to the tone and atmosphere of middle earth, despite the characters not breaking into song every other minute.
I admire that there is as much singing in the trilogy as it is. Most directors would not have the balls to pull that off.
I dont think its on youtube anymore but I remember seeing an edit with the hobbits on the road, but instead of Frodo sensing the Nazgul approaching, you could just barely hear "hey tom, hop along, ring a donga dilloooo" and Frodos panicked GET OFF THE ROAD, QUICK made me fall out of my chair
So many excellent quality early memes were made with LOTR.
They're taking the hobbits to isengard!
Jackson should've added a full adaptation of all the songs in The Hobbit to boost the runtime. Bookgays could do nothing but seethe cuz it's faithful.
>Tra la la lally, come down to the valley
KINO
>guess im surviving this battle
You'd be crushed as the line is pushed inwards towards it's center. You're going to die gasping for air.
> army collapses into a black hole and obliterates Mordor
Would this count as a victory?
Is it weird to anyone else that Gondor's capital city is right outside mordor and within viewing distance? Like usually they are deep in the territory, like Rohan's. Also it was weird that all human factions appeared to just have 2-3 cities
Wasn't Gondor initially built specifically to serve as a frontline fortress to stop/deter any threats from Mordor right away?
it is the only way to represent the "shadow" that is mentioned over and over in the books
I appreciate all the "Hackson" posts because they let me know immediately if the poster is a midwit pseud and can be safely disregarded
Benis Dirith XDDDD
Hackson really didn't do Pelennor justice. It is good, just very flat and not very interesting enviroment.
He didn't do CGI fields around Edoras nor Minas Tirith. Prolly for the spectacle of the wild land.
The trilogy peaked with Fellowship. That was the one with the most heart and most realistic battles. Two towers had CGI nonsense out the ass with Aragorn and the Rohirrim riding out of a castle into besieging orcs and weightlessly punting them aside with horses while Legolas surfed down stairs, and ROTK threw away all pretense of realism in favour of Hackson's dumb frick idea of what epic looks like with it's empty flat fields and CGI armies. This shit epitomizes how far the trilogy fell: even with CGI Jackson makes no attempt to make the shot look realistic or coherent. All the professional soldiers just huddle together in a giant discordant blob instead of having any sort of battle line or making any attempt to stop themselves from being surrounded while a million bazillion orcs file out and are allowed to leisurely surround them. It looks completely silly and uninteresting and makes zero logical sense at any level.
When people talk about how good the Lord of the rings trilogy was they're talking about how good the Fellowship and soundtrack was.
Aragorn's actor Viggo agrees with you.
yeah they still reined in hackson there and they also had to use old ass coloring tech, jackson went back and recolored that too and was all
>man I wish we had modern stuff back there.
Testing
They could at least pretend to get into a formation. Any formation.
That depends on how they plan the fight. If they were smart and disciplined, they'd have a shield wall surrounding the entire army. This is the green part. Then they'd have men just behind those, ready to take the place of any who fall or need to fall back, with a row after that (in red) as Pikemen. Everyone after should either be support, replacement or ranged. Alternatively, an entire shield wall to stop any and all ranged assault unless it was heavy siege weaponry. This would make them basically immortal, at least for a short time.
Violently running out like Aragorn did is the worst possible situation.
Yeah and for all that autism you just wrote a single archer volley would take down this "formation"
Not with the second part of my text;
>Alternatively, an entire shield wall to stop any and all ranged assault unless it was heavy siege weaponry
i.e. a testudo
I don't think this formation works very well against trolls and fellbeasts anon
any of the battles of the napoleonic era completely mog lord of the rings battles
i don't know why people bother
Tactics in the books are usually more advanced. Makes sense, cuz Tolkien was an officer in WW1.
In this case, the Free People got on two slag heap hills and just defended.