>that final shootout scene

>that final shootout scene
what in the skyrim is this shit? how did none of the 30 armed men not shoot a crouching clint eastwood? did he turn invisible as soon as he crouched or something? that was so ridiculous.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >shootout
    >skyrim

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they talk a bunch in the movie about shooting fast vs taking your time which he does while everyone else panic fires.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nonsense. at that range they wouldnt miss. nerves and all.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nerves plus they had been drinking plus panic fire plus dark room plus William being more experienced and not only that went back to drinking which was what he was his entire "legend" days, better killer drunk than sober. Lots of factors but ultimately I think its more since the whole movie hes been rusty and constantly beaten down this was the final moment that almost recaptures all Eastwoods cowboy characters in his youth combined for one final blow out of the unrealistic guns fights of old westerns since at this point the whole movie went against every trope and made everything more realistic. If you dont understand this movie on the level of this being an epilogue and closing of the book on the western genre you are lost. sorry if some of that doesn't make sense I'm drunk as frick.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        look up how many hits at the ok corral; they fired 30 shots in thirty seconds and got like two hits the shotgun doing most of the damage, and they were about 3m apart. Ever played online shooters? when someone is shooting back at you its much, much harder to aim

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I’ve never heard of the ok corral
        This is the exact thing that Wyatt Earp credited with his survival. People miss at point blank range all the time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The ranges in the final shootout are actually uncommonly long for a handgun fight. Most are like 10 feet or under. A 25 or 35 foot shot under stress, on a moving target, is actually pretty hard. Try knowing what you are talking about, dunce.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    go back to fortnight zzzoom zzzoom and let the grownups enjoy their movies

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wow this movie went way over your head. Maybe look at your phone less next time.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I was lucky in the order, but I've always been lucky when it comes to killin' folks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What does this even mean?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        lucky in the order he shot them since the writer was going on about "how did you know to shoot blah blah blah first etc."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gene Hackman was on the far right and he was the one Eastwood knew he needed to kill first because he was the most dangerous man in the room. So he was lucky in the order because he was able to move from right to left after shooting Gene Hackman.

        Gene Hackman had to die first, he was the one Clint was there to kill and he was the most dangerous. Clint probably didn't figure he was going to walk out of there; but as he said he got lucky.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bill had control of the room the second he stepped foot in the bar, he was literally ordering people around to get out of the way of his shotgun blasts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Earlier in the film Bill tells the reporter that the best attribute for a gunslinger is to be cool-headed under fire rather than to have the quickest draw, and to always kill the best shooter first.

            So what happens in the scene?

            Will throws the shotgun at Little Bill giving him a chance to shoot him first before he can draw killing the best shooter first. Then he stays cool under fire while everyone else panics. That's why Will beat Little Bill because he could throw that shotgun faster than he could draw his pistol.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Bill was experienced but he wasnr interested in killing anymore, he was just in 3 different gun fights prior and being beaten at gun point, he was neither calm nor collected being shot at by the schofield kid, was barely able to kill the kid in the canyon and shooting wild cover fire for the kid to murder the other guy in the outhouse, but when he hears ned was murdered all his reluctance and using it as a shield from his true nature to feign some semblance of humanity had gone away and he starts drinking again within seconds of hearing the news of ned, he went into that bar and took everything little bill had, little bill's "shield" from his true ways of being some heroic peacemaker for the town, he essentially ordered them all to watch as he takes away little bill's worth as being a protector of the town murdering someone right in front of them with a firearm little bill doesnt allow in the town with zero resistance and then taking little bills life

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Think you mean Will wasn't interested in killing.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                bill is short for william

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah. The film plays with the idea that Will Munney doesn't have what it takes any more like with the scene where he can' hit the coffee can with his pistol so he goes inside and gets his shotgun to do the job.

                What you learn in the last scene is that what was really stopping Will wasn't that he was old or out of practice its that he really didn't want to be a killer any more; but when he sees what they did to Ned he wants to kill again and there's nothing that can stop him.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"I aint' like that no more"
                >"im not 'bout that life now"
                >*town lynches Ned
                >"clearly you have chosen death"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >That's why Will beat Little Bill because he could throw that shotgun faster than he could draw his pistol.
              The shotgun misfires. He throws it at him to distract him momentarily enough to pull out his own pistol.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I know. I rewatched the scene to refresh my memory before I made the post.

                My interpretation is that Will went in there figuring he was going to kill Little Bill and then get blown away. The Kid was taking the money back to Will's children so if he got killed they'd at least have the money. He goes in and uses the first shot of his side by side to kill the bar owner for displaying Ned's corpse figuring he'd have a second shot for Little Bill. Then the shotgun misfires and both men are on even terms having to draw their pistols; but Will is able to toss the shotgun at Bill and draw his first. As Little Bill told the reporter earlier the most important thing is to kill the best shooter first and to be cool under fire rather than being fast on the draw. That all plays out in the scene, who can draw faster doesn't matter because Will tosses the shotgun to stun Little Bill and shoots him, the best shooter first, then he's cool under fire as he shoots back at the townsfolk who all panic.

                The shootout itself also deconstructs the classic western gunfight; because it really isn't about skill so much as its about the willingness to kill and not being afraid to die. The same trepidation about killing and dying that had kept Will from killing throughout the rest of the film keep the townsfolk from being able to kill Will after he shoots Little Bill.

                Its a very clever scene.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >best gun
                best has nothing to do with it, its will
                little bill was literally the only person in the bar not being ordered around by munny and the only one willing to kill munny and was waiting for an opening to pull his gun and willing to die walking right towards munny with his shotgun drawn on him literally trying to instruct the bar what to do after his death

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >best has nothing to do with it, its will

                Yeah....

                Yeah, I know. I rewatched the scene to refresh my memory before I made the post.

                My interpretation is that Will went in there figuring he was going to kill Little Bill and then get blown away. The Kid was taking the money back to Will's children so if he got killed they'd at least have the money. He goes in and uses the first shot of his side by side to kill the bar owner for displaying Ned's corpse figuring he'd have a second shot for Little Bill. Then the shotgun misfires and both men are on even terms having to draw their pistols; but Will is able to toss the shotgun at Bill and draw his first. As Little Bill told the reporter earlier the most important thing is to kill the best shooter first and to be cool under fire rather than being fast on the draw. That all plays out in the scene, who can draw faster doesn't matter because Will tosses the shotgun to stun Little Bill and shoots him, the best shooter first, then he's cool under fire as he shoots back at the townsfolk who all panic.

                The shootout itself also deconstructs the classic western gunfight; because it really isn't about skill so much as its about the willingness to kill and not being afraid to die. The same trepidation about killing and dying that had kept Will from killing throughout the rest of the film keep the townsfolk from being able to kill Will after he shoots Little Bill.

                Its a very clever scene.

                >The shootout itself also deconstructs the classic western gunfight; because it really isn't about skill so much as its about the willingness to kill and not being afraid to die

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Moral of the story is that gettin' drunk makes you a bad ass.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Really do not understand how gene Hackman was supposed to be the villain. The protagonists in the story were all terrible people.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he was kinda a dick. he showed more mercy to the dudes cutting up the prostitutes than to ned.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He was shown kinda decent and fair at first but the more you get to know him and the more he feeds into his ego with that writer guy he reveals hes just as much a piece of shit as everyone else. It shows when the writer leeches from English Bob to him he eats it up but when he does the same for William hes basically like " if you dont shut the frick up and leave I'm gonna kill you" Moral of the story William Money is a real homie

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Really do not understand how gene Hackman was supposed to be the villain.

      There aren't any heroes in Unforgiven. Will Munney is a vicious killer who's trying to go straight; but who'll always be a killer. Ned is an ex con trying to go straight but still willing to take a bounty from prostitutes to kill a man. English Bob and the Kid are frauds pretending to be gunslingers and Little Bill is a bully of a Sherriff who cares more about maintaining order and saving his own skin than justice.

      There are no heroes in Unforgiven that's the point.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Really do not understand how gene Hackman was supposed to be the villain.
      The point is that he's framed as a villain, but he really isn't one.

      >Really do not understand how gene Hackman was supposed to be the villain.

      There aren't any heroes in Unforgiven. Will Munney is a vicious killer who's trying to go straight; but who'll always be a killer. Ned is an ex con trying to go straight but still willing to take a bounty from prostitutes to kill a man. English Bob and the Kid are frauds pretending to be gunslingers and Little Bill is a bully of a Sherriff who cares more about maintaining order and saving his own skin than justice.

      There are no heroes in Unforgiven that's the point.

      >Little Bill is a bully of a Sherriff who cares more about maintaining order and saving his own skin than justice.
      The problem is, and one of the questions that the film implicitly poses, is 'what constitutes justice?'
      Davey holds Delilah down, presumably only because Quick Mike threatens that he'll cut her breasts off if he doesn't—in other words, because he wants to prevent worse harm from coming to her. Later, he pays the restitution Little Bill demands to Skinny, and in addition he brings Delilah the best of his horses to try and make amends, but the other prostitutes, at the goading of Strawberry Alice, throw shit and rocks at him and drive him off.
      Munny shoots and kills Davey in the canyon.
      What could he have done? What should he have done? To whom could he appeal for justice?
      >Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.
      Strawberry Alice says, in fact shouts, that both Davey and Quick Mike deserved to die for what they'd done, and therefore would not have been satisfied unless both were killed; note how keen she was on having them hanged at the beginning of the movie.
      What can Little Bill do, besides make an imperfect compromise, in a situation where there are no perfect solutions for justice? All he can do is attempt to maintain order, prevent needless loss of life, and honor Skinny's contractual rights. The prostitutes also entice killers-for-hire to come to Big Whiskey; what can Little Bill do but attempt to drive them off with disproportionate violence, in order to deter others and keep his town (his 'house') safe, and maintain a monopoly on the use of force (as any authority must, to prevent revenge-killings)?
      The film obliquely tries to suggest that Bill acts improperly: "there's not a straight angle in that house of his", but again: how does one strike the right balance? The past can't be undone.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The point is that he's framed as a villain, but he really isn't one.

        Little Bill beats Ned to death to get him to betray his companions then displays his corpse in town like a trophy. He has it coming.

        Live by the sword die by the sword.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ned is an assassin whose group had just murdered someone (who was completely innocent) and his friends were out there looking to murder a second person.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, and they beat him to death to get a confession out of him. There aren't any heroes in this movie.

            Trying to figure out who's in the right is pointless when no one is.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bill was also a power tripping butthole regardless who talked big about the rule of law, but thought a woman getting her face sliced up wasn’t even worth a whipping.

          The movie also shows how even in these “ideal” circumstances where the “bad guys” get taken down. It’s not justice or fair. The guy who had literally nothing to do with the lady getting hurt is the one who dies slowly in agony. The one who did the cutting is killed instantly. Ned is whipped to death when he didn’t even kill anyone while the sheriff thought a couple horses was a fair trade to pay for mutilating someone

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Little Bill beats Ned to death to get him to betray his companions then displays his corpse in town like a trophy.
          Note that it's quite possible that Little Bill didn't intend to beat Ned to death—the prostitute that pays Munny and the Schofield Kid says Bill started beating Ned worse, 'and then Ned just died', which would be an odd way to put it if he clearly intended to kill him.
          Also, yes, again, Little Bill tortures Ned, a hired killer in league with other hired killers, for information about them, and puts his body outside Greeley's as a warning. There is a long, long history of civilizations doing much worse: go and read the carvings depicting what Ashurnasirpal did to display his dominance and ward off his enemies:
          >In his official royal inscriptions, Ashurnasirpal II calls himself the “trampler of all enemies … who defeated all his enemies [and] hung the corpses of his enemies on posts.” The treatment of captured enemies often depended on their readiness to submit themselves to the will of the Assyrian king: “The nobles [and] elders of the city came out to me to save their lives. They seized my feet and said: ‘If it pleases you, kill! If it pleases you, spare! If it pleases you, do what you will!’” "In one case when a city resisted as long as possible instead of immediately submitting, Ashurnasirpal proudly records his punishment: “I flayed as many nobles as had rebelled against me [and] draped their skins over the pile [of corpses]; some I spread out within the pile, some I erected on stakes upon the pile … I flayed many right through my land [and] draped their skins over the walls.”

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >and puts his body outside Greeley's as a warning. There is a long, long history of civilizations doing much worse

            I'd say there's a rather more obvious historical parallel than the Assyrians when it comes to displaying the bodies of the executed as a warning.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              honestly a poor parallel, because Ned was in league with killers, took advances with the prostitutes on the killings, and shot Davey's horse, breaking his leg.
              interestingly, however, there is a reference to Jesus in Unforgiven that most people don't pick up right away; Beauchamp, dealing with all the leaks in Little Bill's house, says 'maybe you should just hang the carpenter'.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ned dying for will's past sins

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >honestly a poor parallel

                Patrolocus and Achilles in the Illiad is the closest parallel.

                Achilles the reluctant warrior doesn't want to fight; but is finally inspired to act out of vengeance after his best friend Patrolocus is killed by the Trojan warrior Hector and the body of Patrolocus is stripped of his armor and left on the battlefield. Achilles takes up his sword and slays Hector then drags his body behind his chariot terrifying the citizens of Troy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >one of the questions that the film implicitly poses, is 'what constitutes justice?
        william munny implicitly shits all over this question at the end of the film "deserves got nothing to do with it"
        little bill wanted the glory and prestige of being some western hero in his town, him being able to be "righteously" sadistic is just a perk
        english todd went on and on about being in the face of some "true royalty" you would stand in awe and not be able to shoot, the people he pissed off on the train were in awe of his shooting and myth, but he was just a railroad goon who murdered unaware drunk men and disenfranchised railroad workers trying to unionize who fails to shoot the "royal" and more brutal little bill, munny doesnt shoot bill during his first confrontation, underlining the movies deconstruction of the gunslinger mythos, of it being of men who simply more willing to muder more than others

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >william munny implicitly shits all over this question
          no, he doesn't. he's instead making a commentary about reality, about that which happens: deserve's got nothing to do with that.
          >little bill wanted the glory and prestige of being some western hero in his town
          that's just silly. Little Bill didn't go around seeking any glory. He wanted to build a house.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            and said reality was shitting on the myth of gunslingers
            the prostitutes wanted the two losers dead more than little bill was willing to give them mercy with a whipping
            little bill wasnt chasing glory, but he was all but glowing giving people orders and receiving validation for his brutality over others he deemed unworthy of mercy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He's not. He's the closest thing to a good guy in the movie. He's just not a white hat hero like in some 40s western. He's a real guy with flaws.
      But the story isn't told from his perspective and 'deserve has got nothing to do with it.'

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He was building a house

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, it's like Commando set in the 18th century.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      unless this is sarcasm you need to watch the movie again brainet the whole time every gun fight is sloppy and slow and barely anyone gets killed. One guy dies in a short shootout thats more sad and pathetic than anything. Next one dies on the shitter until that final shootout, and even then it doesn't go as planned. Him acting all badass with the saloon owner kill then second shot he misfires. Like Commando my ass.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bill had the same "you dun fricked up NOW" perk as black dynamite, after they killed Ned and strung him up outside like an animal everyone in that bar was fricked
    it was merely dumb luck, and the fact Bill spent most of his life shooting people while drunk, he walked into a bar full of people that dont and werent used to being shot back at besides gene hackman, he murders the bartender and everyone stands around dumbstruck besides gene hackman, who hesitates pulling out his gun then and there because he has a shotgun pointed at him and has to order everyone else to even pull out there gun, they dont even react until gene and bill are shooting at eachother
    the movie went on and on about the myths of gunslingers stories being dumb luck, how english todd had really killed some guy over fighting over a girl, that he just ambushed him while he was drunk at a bar and the gun blewup in his face and english tod just walked over and shot him, the 3 drunk guys shooting uphill at a local sheriff on the street and then the sheriff kills them with 1 shot each

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Filtered.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >how did none of the 30 armed men not shoot a crouching clint eastwood?

    Because none of them are real killers. Clint is. That's one of the running themes of the film, something you saw earlier in the film with English Bob's humiliation. The only real killer in that room is Gene Hackman and Clint shoots him first. Everyone else is just a townie with a gun who panics as soon as they start watching people drop. At best they manage to take a random unaimed shot in Clint's general direction while he methodically aims and shoots each of them in the heart.

    The theme of what a real killer is was the whole point of Saul Rubinek's reporter character, a man who's come to to learn about the real west and he starts off by following around Richard Harris who's a flashy gunman who scares people with his reputation and his bravado. Then Richard Harris gets his ass handed to him by Gene Hackman and Saul Rubinek realizes English Bob was a fraud and starts following Gene around figuring he's the real deal and Gene Hackman shows him how he uses his badge and his townie deputies to scare people. Then Clint Eastwood shows up and he kills Gene Hackman and of his townie deputies with 6 shots while the townies panic and shit themselves in fear because Clint is the real deal, no bravado, no badge, he's a real killer and even when he's out of bullets they don't dare to take a shot at him even though he's got an empty cylinder in his revolver. Then Saul Rubinek asks Clint about what just happened and how he decided who to shoot first and he just tells him he went right to left. Because Clint is a real killer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well said.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Do anons not realize this is probably the best example of a deconstructed western? The west wasn't this epic comic book like Saul Rubinek was trying to make it out to be; all the famous gun slingers were just killers and deserve has nothing to do with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Guns don't kill people, uh-uh. I kill people - with guns!
      This quote and the way he said it really made me think.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    never watched this. is it any good?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One of Clint's best.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nah

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a bit of a deconstruction of western tropes, so it’s best watched after you’ve seen a fair few John Wayne / Clint Eastwood etc. westerns as you’ll better understand the message of the movie, but it’s very good nonetheless.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      One of the best westerns ever made a 10/10. This thread is making me think I should rewatch it.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >they were afraid
    >they were inexperienced
    >"I've always been lucky"

    Once Little Bill was out of the picture, it was more of a massacre than a shootout.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BoozeBasedBuff

    Remember that this is the first time he drank since he met his wife.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He shot the best gunfighter first. Then the rest of the other idiots sperged out, ran away, or were poor shots. It's a documented and verified fact that most cops even perform really shitty in shootouts. Those who perform best and keep their calm are combat vets who have seen a lot of action, and thus gunshots and the stress of the situation doesn't really affect them.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >duck I says

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The whole point of the movie was demystifying the classic gunslinger tropes, hence why the side character who wrote penny novels about Wild West gunslingers was in it and how every story he wrote about was 90% bullshit. Just like real life and how the various bandits or sheriffs were hyped up by newspapers back east to sell copies. Read up on the most famous shootouts in history like the OK Corrall and it’s pretty pathetic

    The only difference between William Munny and the men at the end is he was drunk and had zero hesitation, Bill had more experience and guts and Will just managed to knock him over and shoot him early, the rest were too panicked and inexperienced to aim right. Even after this, anyone outside could have easily killed Munny from the dark with a rifle. They were just scared enough to not risk it.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Listen, you seem stupid, so let me explain a couple of real life gunfights that went exactly like that...

    John Wesley Hardin.
    Just about every gunfight he was in was human-based moronation.

    He was shitfaced most of the time, and the other people were either slow as hell on the draw, or he just flat out bushwacked them.

    Explain to me how the frick you get so wasted, you rent a hotel room, then randomly shoot people that are snoring a room away thru the walls and ceiling, and score death hits?

    'Nuff Said.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >calls other people stupid
      >thinks “couple” means one
      Many such cases.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that shootout in new mexico with someone hiding in wooden shed that gets riddled with literally hundreds of bullets, only for the Hispanic hiding in it to walk out with 2 colt navy revolvers and start blasting, dome 2 people and scare everyone off

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's cause it was a dream

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw no free ones

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't just use your hand?

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