why does everyone suck this movie off so hard? I love it too, and I always go back to it, but lets be real -
the music is stellar
the set design was great
the compositing of matte paintings and 2D animations were really bad
the script was ok
the adaptation of the comics was shit, and it influenced the Batman property for in good ways and bad ways.
the pacing of the story was absolute dogshit
the way it conveyed some parts of the story was incomprehensible. if you blink, you'll completely miss the part where the Joker goons unmask Batman in the alley and Vicki gets a picture of him. she stashes it in her bra and that is what he later takes from her at the Batcave.
its clumsy, and not nearly the 10/10 people act like it is. I grew up loving this movie. i still do, but I recognize its flaws that other Batman movies have done better
>better cinematography
The Nolan movies look way better. They’re shot on film and are all practical while the reeves movie was shot on digital and uses a ton of ugly cg. >better score
The score on The Batman was shit. It’s just nirvana and a imperial march ripoff every 5 minutes.
what's there to refute?
nothing of import.
but if you want one, i'll give you one
nolan's looked bland. reeves had style and looked like the comics.
zimmer's score was fine. giacchino's doesn't need nine different themes. he works one theme into different emotions and styles.
good enough for you?
6 months ago
Anonymous
The “style” of the Reeves Batman is just ripping of se7en.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>ripping
It's called an homage you uncultured hog. Nolan pays homage to Mann and Argento. Snyder pays homage to the music video of Audioslave's Doesn' t Remind Me.
6 months ago
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>homage
6 months ago
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>ripping
It's called an homage you uncultured hog. Nolan pays homage to Mann and Argento. Snyder pays homage to the music video of Audioslave's Doesn' t Remind Me.
I'd like to offer a different perspective. Rip off or homage I think what matters is this, Godard "It's not where you take it from but where you take it to". If something feels like a rip off it means that it's doing anything new or interesting with the ideas it's borrowing from others. Personally, I was constantly thinking "This just feels like Fincher without the suspense or dread". Yeah, TDK feels like heat and Burton is reminiscent of so many German expressionist cinema but my mind didn't constantly wander to those films while watching these.
> Nolan movies look way better
Jesus are you straight off the boat from Somalia where all the visual content you had access to was grainy and pixelated videos of rural naggers doing dumb shit, playing from a cracked iPhone 4 screen?
Batman Begins is a gorgeous movie ngl
TDK and TDKR especially however look ugly as fuck, TDK has pointless establishing shots of ugly af grey skyscrapers and TDKR has the ugliest lazy camera work I've ever seen at a movie with this scale.
Dunno what happened, they are entirely devoided of any style after BB and look atricious at some points. Nolan wanted to quasi remake Heat with TDK and it's naturalistic environments, completely forgetting that Mann still overstylized those specific locations, hence why Collateral, Miami Vice and especially Heat are gorgeous af movies and TDK and TDKR are just fucking ugly.
>TDK and TDKR especially however look ugly as fuck, TDK has pointless establishing shots of ugly af grey skyscrapers and TDKR has the ugliest lazy camera.
You're conflating camera work, cinematography and art direction all in one comment, amazing. And art direction is reduced wacky architecture, lol.
Look at the end fight of TDKR and tell me this is good camera work or cinematography in any way. I dare you.
Take any scene of TDK except the one good heavily featured one with the Joker standing in the middle of the street and tell me it's good in any shape or form. The chase scene in TDK is the worst chase scene I've ever seen.
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>Look at the end fight of TDKR and tell me this is good camera work or cinematography in any way.
Nolan always uses basic, functional camerawork. This isn’t new. The actual cinematography is good. > The chase scene in TDK is the worst chase scene I've ever seen.
Elaborate, I can exactly tell where your vapid opinions are copied from.
Me too.
Reminded me of Burton's view of Batman.
Reeves mixed his realism with a comic book flare, which was refreshing.
Haven't loved a Batman movie since Returns, but this one managed to sway me.
All I had to do was wait thirty years to get to another good one.
>reclusive Bruce
Yeah I fucked with that.
My favorite scene from Returns was Bruce just waiting for the signal, like he had nothing else to do. It was really interesting.
Playboy shit is fun, but I like it when Bruce is just a weirdo.
Sequel is being made, thankfully, but it got delayed due to the writer strike.
what's there to refute?
nothing of import.
but if you want one, i'll give you one
nolan's looked bland. reeves had style and looked like the comics.
zimmer's score was fine. giacchino's doesn't need nine different themes. he works one theme into different emotions and styles.
good enough for you?
Me too.
Reminded me of Burton's view of Batman.
Reeves mixed his realism with a comic book flare, which was refreshing.
Haven't loved a Batman movie since Returns, but this one managed to sway me.
All I had to do was wait thirty years to get to another good one.
Yeah you said it well.
Actors playing three different characters was always just kind of gimmicky to me.
I'd rather have one Bruce and one Batman. Like BTAS. Bruce was just Bruce in the outside world, but he kept the Batman part of him in check.
To have "Wayne Manor Bruce", "Playboy Bruce", and "Batman" all competing for screen time is just lame.
I think the sequel will be good. Heard they're casting Harvey Dent currently.
6 months ago
Anonymous
interesting.
>Actors playing three different characters was always just kind of gimmicky to me.
I 100% agree with this, also to add to your point. For some reason when a director has to make a batman film Bruce and Batman always feel like separate characters. Also "playboy Bruce" is the least interesting. When he's engaged in the romance while he's Batman it works better imo.
I don't get why this movie gets hate from Cinemaphile so much, people will bitch about anything. The Nolan trilogy has it's place , doesn't mean we can't appreciate other takes on this legendary comic book character
6 months ago
Anonymous
Completely agree. Batman having a romance makes more sense than Bruce. Unless he's early in his career like Mask of the Phantasm or Batman 89, I can't imagine Bruce actually taking the time from his persona to go out and date women.
Nolan movies will always be there.
To me, Reeves' take felt like Burton and Nolan combined.
And that's as close to "Batman realism" as I'd like to personally get.
Cinemaphile is contrarian. Whatever the masses like, Cinemaphile dislikes.
It's a cycle. This one will be the "good old days" ten to fifteen years from now when DCU Batman 45 or whatever is coming out.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>whatever the masses like, Cinemaphile dislikes
That’s weird because I see anons praising this movie on occasion, but literally everyone I’ve asked irl didn’t like it or thought it was too long.
They also seem to think the nirvana song was overplayed even though it was only used twice in the whole movie, so maybe they’re just retarded.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Same. People I know while not outright hating the movie thought it was "so so". The only place I see it getting highly praised is Letterboxd and film twitter.
6 months ago
Anonymous
This movie was tailor made by this nonce looking twat to cater to pretentious midwit "film buffs." I cringe every time some fag praises the cinematography or says that it had "the best looking Gotham." The only other thing people praise is the pointless Batmobile chase. Surface level stuff. The writing and acting were beyond embarrassing.
6 months ago
Anonymous
> cinematography
Dude silhouettes, lmao.
6 months ago
Anonymous
The Aquaman splash (pun intended) was kino though
6 months ago
Anonymous
Cinema has degraded so rapidly in the last 10 years, it's depressing. I know immigration has been lowering the nations IQ but jesus christ, the things I see these mouth breathers praise, its too much to take in sometimes.
the movie was easily 1 hour longer than it needed to be. the mayor chick deciding to have a press conference while the city was being flooded on top of the riddler's online message board friends coming to kill her was an unbelievably retarded ending
The "idea" of this movie is great >autist Batman >Year 1 vibes >Gothic art deco
Instead we got >Nirvana >evil white males >smelly catwoman >retard Riddler >black savior politician >rifles are good
I'm not being dramatic when I say it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
The political subplot of the republican rival getting assassinated and then the democrat black woman winning unopposed and being hailed as the savior of Gotham that even Batman looks up to really ruined it for me
Undeserved, it's literally just a worse looking Heat with an autist running around in a bat costume and people throwing life lessons at each other (how no single person on earth talks except for fart sniffing humanities students)
>how no single person on earth talks except
No single person on earth talks like characters in a Tarantino film or a Shakespeare play. It's also better than Heat btw.
Difference is that Tarantino never made a claim his movies try to emulate realism. Tarantinos approach was always emulating grindhouse movies with more budget.
While Nolan desperately tried to make a realistic film about a dude running around in a Bat costume in modern day Chicago.
>Difference is that Tarantino never made a claim his movies try to emulate realism
Neither does Nolan. Nolan isn't going for realism but immersion/verisimilitude.
At least it was a decently executed homage, and revolutionary at the time for being the first "realistic" superhero movie. The Batman is just a terribly written, directed and acted rip off of Se7en and Zodiac, with an actually autistic emo Batman. Look at how he walks, lmao. Just terrible.
Im something of a Batman fan myself, and even I could not find this agreeable to my tastes. Now, please allow me to bid you adieu so I might attend the fair.
First 2/3rds of the movie was 8/10. Pretty good Batman film. Last 1/3rd was a 3/10. The Riddler became a joke of a character and Catwoman’s story with Falcone was boring as hell. Overall it’s a 6/10.
Someone post the webm of him jumping off the building and crashing into the bridge. Awful film but I loved its portrayal of Batman as a total incompetent failure on every level
>unironic wholesomeness in Batman movies.
What's with comicshsitters and asking every character to be le heckin wholesome, especially in such a juvenile fashion?
>Why can't the world be nicer.
Because of you, apparently.
Of course, you post that image. What's next? Batman holding Ace's hand? Can you be any more of an NPC? Please. You, morons, don't want a character, you want a motivational poster so that you can feel safe and secure. Superman should have some friendly banter with civilians! Batman should be a symbol of hope! Even Punisher should be checking wholesome! Even Joker should be again le nazis! and you wonder why comics are shit.
None of these ideas are inherently interesting or even genuinely inspiring.
It's not that people dislike "nice things" you dumb subhuman. It's that you want repetitive clichés that are so superficial that I wasn't being hyperbolic when I said that they're on the same level as motivational posters. For anyone who aren't absolute manchildren these are boring, uninspired tropes. Even a basic inspirational story like Rocky has more edge to it than the crap you're suggesting.
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>You want something that never happens in movies to happen in movies >You want a cliche
Holy shit dude. Take a goddamn pentobarbital and sleep this off.
my favorite "criticism" is the car chase critique.
Penguin hit every car and only two exploded, with the two being eighteen wheelers.
Trucker vehicles have protective casing surrounding the driver in case the cargo explodes.
So I doubt anyone died, and even if they did, it was Penguin's fault.
They turned another franchise into a blacksploitation film. “Batman lives matter”, his role in the film is literally protecting “Chaaange” Mayor QUEEN Lakisha from the white revolutionary ringleader The Riddler. This is a prime example of new left deconstruction and deterritorialization, the CRIMINAL Wayne family is thrown into the mud. No beautiful 50s or 80s America, there is always DARKNESS behind WASP heritage. Wayne’s life history is shameful and thus he has to REJECT IT. EVERY white person in this film is a madman, a narcissist, corrupt or a psychopath. Blacks are positioned in all the respectable rules in the movie: the good policeman, the female Obama, and the doctor who saves Alfred from death. The racial casting can’t be more obvious. First scene: the black thug is persuaded by the white skinheads to fight the innocent Asian man. Truly Trump made Hollywood lose their minds and everything has to pass the left-wing filter, there is no place for iconoclastic inconsistency in the left-wing hallucination. So basically Batman uncovers the truth about his white guilt and faces Cinemaphile populist terrorist ENIGMA, however he doesn’t manage to stop CLIMATE CHANGE. Yes, Gotham is flooded by a series of bombs triggered by Enigma and his Cinemaphile minions. The evilness of whites accelerated the collapse. Batman is able to save Lakisha from the rubble and she gives an epic (lmao) SISTA speech about “rebuilding the trust in institutions” while Billionaire Batman promises to help the downtrodden with his millions.
>>You want something that never happens in movies to happens in movies
What are you talking about? It happen in movies.
Take BvS, which is what kicked this discussion. The movie opens with Batman trying to rescue his employees and helping them after a disaster, you've Batman risking his life to save a little girl and feeling dejected after finding her mother dead, you've Batman rescuing kidnapped women, and so on.
I want a personal effort beyond "monkey punch" that elevates this stuff above the common "thinly veiled excuse to kick the crap out of evil". It's fucking ironic that you talk about inspiration while everything you're listing is just a thin moral excuse for violence. Everything that you've listed is just generic reasoning for good to stomp evil into the dirt without actually reaching into the day-to-day efforts and create a personal level of investment. And at that point I'd rather watch Battlebots because that's more or less the same thing, but also interesting on a technical level.
>Everything that you've listed is just generic reasoning for good to stomp evil into the dirt without actually reaching into the day-to-day efforts and create a personal level of investment
Because it is a movie. Every scene needs to serve the character and the plot. You can't stop the narrative so you can see the day-to-day business of the hero. Do you also want to see what he does in the bathroom too for 10 mins?
>Do you also want to see what he does in the bathroom too for 10 mins?
They basically want Whedon's films. Like the Shwarma scene or that scene in age of ultron where they chat and try to lift Thor's hammer or when they go spend time in Hawkeyes home. Basically, lots slice of life stuff plus this shit
It's because these manchildren cannot conceptualize wholesome shit beyond a specific set of clichés. I'll tell you what they want. They want superheroes to give you vapid speeches about.
1) How you(the audience) is really heckin strong
2) How everything is going to be alright
3) How you're heroic for overcoming your daily struggles
4) How you(the working class) are the real heroes.
Oh.... basically the worst type of capeshit fan. The ones that want to make the soap opera aspect of capeshit even worse where most of the pages of a given comic is dedicated to characters talking about their feelings and making pop culture references. Lots of shipping nonsense and so on. Basically what awful shit X-Men comics have turned into.
>their feelings and making pop culture references. Lots of shipping nonsense and so on.
Exactly. I've been observing these "Superheroes must be wholesome, Nolan/Snyder ruined DC" types om twitter, reddit, comicvine, etc...and 99% of the time they obsess over.
1) Shipping. Especially, melodrama involving teenager characters (Robin, Cassandra and all those teen titan/sidekick characters).
2) LGBTQ representation.
3) Characters making snide remarks on current political issue that conveniently coincidences with American liberal/woke values.
4) Constant whining about Nolan and Snyder.
5) Obsessing over that panel from All Star Superman and that Ace scene from JLU.
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Oh.... basically the worst type of capeshit fan. The ones that want to make the soap opera aspect of capeshit even worse where most of the pages of a given comic is dedicated to characters talking about their feelings and making pop culture references. Lots of shipping nonsense and so on. Basically what awful shit X-Men comics have turned into.
It's because these manchildren cannot conceptualize wholesome shit beyond a specific set of clichés. I'll tell you what they want. They want superheroes to give you vapid speeches about.
1) How you(the audience) is really heckin strong
2) How everything is going to be alright
3) How you're heroic for overcoming your daily struggles
4) How you(the working class) are the real heroes.
>Do you also want to see what he does in the bathroom too for 10 mins?
They basically want Whedon's films. Like the Shwarma scene or that scene in age of ultron where they chat and try to lift Thor's hammer or when they go spend time in Hawkeyes home. Basically, lots slice of life stuff plus this shit[...]
The amount of cope an projection in these posts, lmao.
Snydershit and the batman are shit, and they don't represent the charcters they (mis)use.
Cope to hell and back
[...]
You need to watch more movies dumbfuck. Heck, even excluding non-capeshit you still have this shit in Donner's superman, Raimi's Spiderman, your various cartoon shit, heck you can even have the shlocky Superman tv series that specifically panders to your sensibilities.
As I said, you're a bunch of manchildren who haven't watched a lot of media and don't realize how hilariously mind-numbing your demands are.
Interesting. It looks like neither of you are capable of understanding this, despite the voices of other anons speaking out in it's favor. I'm forced to conclude that you're deficient and move on. The alternative is me having to argue with retarded people.
You're the retard here.
The discussion isn't even about movies lacking heroic moments or touchy-feely feel good scenes, but rather you wanting more time and elaboration for such scenes in a movie that needs to tell its story in a 2 hour window. If you want more of that there are long-running scenes that indeed devote more time to that. So the discussion now is a matter of duration.
It's because these manchildren cannot conceptualize wholesome shit beyond a specific set of clichés. I'll tell you what they want. They want superheroes to give you vapid speeches about.
1) How you(the audience) is really heckin strong
2) How everything is going to be alright
3) How you're heroic for overcoming your daily struggles
4) How you(the working class) are the real heroes.
>1) How you(the audience) is really heckin strong >2) How everything is going to be alright >3) How you're heroic for overcoming your daily struggles >4) How you(the working class) are the real heroes.
Holy fuck i know what you mean. Literally in the Sneeder League verbatim: "Superman is a beacon to the World. He didn't just save people.......hE MaDe tHeM SeE ThE BeSt pArTs oF ThEmSeLvEs". CRINGE. What' s even worse is it's all hollow lip service like in MoS after Superman shits on all the Jesus juxtaposition when he proceeded to rain hellfire and destruction in his city for the generic bossfight sequence. Cherry on top he kisses the stereotypical damsel in distress (cant get cliche than this) atop the rubble and their corpses fucking kek
Nothing particularly wrong about Superman or what he represents to some people btw. Superman Returns managed to instill hope and uplift the audience without being hamfisted about it
>Superman Returns managed to instill hope and uplift the audience without being hamfisted about it.
Wut? The consensus is that the movie was boring(B+ Cinemascore) and superman came off as a stalker.
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y
That was a given. People want to see splosions and lazors in capeshit and Superman Returns is simply not that kind of film. I think it's very fitting and in a way meta how the superman of that film perfectly nails the feeling of a god's alienation from its npc mortals. The stalker thing is understandable also as it was the post 9 11 era with the state surveilance thing going on and glowies are known to fund movies for propaganda purposes but i have to agree he was a creep lol
You need to watch more movies dumbfuck. Heck, even excluding non-capeshit you still have this shit in Donner's superman, Raimi's Spiderman, your various cartoon shit, heck you can even have the shlocky Superman tv series that specifically panders to your sensibilities.
As I said, you're a bunch of manchildren who haven't watched a lot of media and don't realize how hilariously mind-numbing your demands are.
>well made ridiculousness
It's shit. Being self-aware about how shit it is doesn't make it any less shit. If it weren't for nostalgia this would be considered on par with Batman & Robin. Well made, my ass.
Exactly. It's a more comedic approach to Batman but it's great.
>well made ridiculousness
It's shit. Being self-aware about how shit it is doesn't make it any less shit. If it weren't for nostalgia this would be considered on par with Batman & Robin. Well made, my ass.
God that retarded coke whore mulatta was so hot in this movie. I couldn’t take my eyes off her DSLs every time she was on the screen.
I wonder if I hung out in LA enough and somehow got into enough parties if I’d eventually meet her, then entice her with a baggie before rawdogging her in a bathroom stall and blasting my cum all over her dumb vapid face.
I dropped it after 10 minutes. It was boring and bland like the Nolan films. I don’t mind a dark Batman but there’s still gotta be a little bit of comic book charm or I just feel bored.
The only thing of any note in this film was the score, which was appropriately moody for a Batman film. Everything else about it was completely unremarkable and forgettable. For better or worse every other incarnation of Batman on film has carved out its own distinct identity, whereas this version felt more like a regurgitation of those films and the Arkham games by way of David Fincher’s cinematography and lighting. I didn’t care for Zodiac Riddler either, not even Paul Dano could redeem just how fundamentally stupid a lot of the writing was. It doesn’t help that the film is unecessarily bloated to a three-hour runtime in which it accomplishes less in introducing Batman and his world than Nolan managed in two.
>2020s
>culture
everyone knows it flopped
the batman 2 is not happening
once gunn is fired they will rehire snyder and make the batman with affleck
The dream, but ultimately a cope.
Holy hell, how can one be so delusional.
Don’t forget what they took from you
An faithful TDKR Batfleck movie with Sophia lilis as Carrie kelley instead of muh martha? Yes
Pibbleman
How will I carry on without Beergut Man and his Party City mask in my life?
Zack seems like a guy who was meant to direct a batman film.
Instead they gave him superman, and we saw the speculator results of that
He also made Superman kill someone. Then he made Batman kill a few dozen people. Snyder really doesn't work with DC superheroes at all.
good riddance, angry fat guy
can't hear you over the groove.
>this shit movie gets a pass because they licensed a nirvana song
How about my nuts impact yo teeth nigga
Does cultural impact means it's not popular enough for you to like it?
No cultural impact to this board means "it did not tickle my autism enough to live rent free in my mind on a weekly basis."
So just call it an underated cult classic and move on
>So just call it an underated cult classic and move on
lol, lmao even
filtered
it had a pretty big zoomer tiktok impact initially
I actuallly liked this movie and wanted to rewatch it. I hardly rewatch any movie thats under 10 years old
yeah this was one of the few movies in the past decade i've rewatched, along with Uncut Gems.
I really like the way they portrayed Batman here as like, one or two years into his journey
too long. shit characters. weak soundtrack. not sure why batcucks lose their shit over this one
t. marvelfag
Compared to 89, the Batman was a fart in the wind.
why does everyone suck this movie off so hard? I love it too, and I always go back to it, but lets be real -
the music is stellar
the set design was great
the compositing of matte paintings and 2D animations were really bad
the script was ok
the adaptation of the comics was shit, and it influenced the Batman property for in good ways and bad ways.
the pacing of the story was absolute dogshit
the way it conveyed some parts of the story was incomprehensible. if you blink, you'll completely miss the part where the Joker goons unmask Batman in the alley and Vicki gets a picture of him. she stashes it in her bra and that is what he later takes from her at the Batcave.
its clumsy, and not nearly the 10/10 people act like it is. I grew up loving this movie. i still do, but I recognize its flaws that other Batman movies have done better
Catwoman actress in the film was hotter with long hair. When she showed her short hair, she looked a black femboy.
The movie looks like table scraps from The Crow.
I liked it until that stupid bitch started whining about "white privilege" or whatever.
>OP
gottem
Objectively better than any of the Nolan films
Better cinematography and score, yes.
Not better story or writing (Nolan's writing wasn't that good either but it was better than this crap).
>better cinematography
The Nolan movies look way better. They’re shot on film and are all practical while the reeves movie was shot on digital and uses a ton of ugly cg.
>better score
The score on The Batman was shit. It’s just nirvana and a imperial march ripoff every 5 minutes.
>looks better
lmao cope
>score was shit
lmao cope
glad we covered that
>no real rebuttable
classic Battinson shill
what's there to refute?
nothing of import.
but if you want one, i'll give you one
nolan's looked bland. reeves had style and looked like the comics.
zimmer's score was fine. giacchino's doesn't need nine different themes. he works one theme into different emotions and styles.
good enough for you?
The “style” of the Reeves Batman is just ripping of se7en.
>ripping
It's called an homage you uncultured hog. Nolan pays homage to Mann and Argento. Snyder pays homage to the music video of Audioslave's Doesn' t Remind Me.
>homage
I'd like to offer a different perspective. Rip off or homage I think what matters is this, Godard "It's not where you take it from but where you take it to". If something feels like a rip off it means that it's doing anything new or interesting with the ideas it's borrowing from others. Personally, I was constantly thinking "This just feels like Fincher without the suspense or dread". Yeah, TDK feels like heat and Burton is reminiscent of so many German expressionist cinema but my mind didn't constantly wander to those films while watching these.
no more dead cops!
>blinks and dies
> Nolan movies look way better
Jesus are you straight off the boat from Somalia where all the visual content you had access to was grainy and pixelated videos of rural naggers doing dumb shit, playing from a cracked iPhone 4 screen?
I hate you below poverty fuckers so much
You have pajeet tier aesthetic sense. Kek, you think ostentatious visuals is good cinnabontopography.
Batman Begins is a gorgeous movie ngl
TDK and TDKR especially however look ugly as fuck, TDK has pointless establishing shots of ugly af grey skyscrapers and TDKR has the ugliest lazy camera work I've ever seen at a movie with this scale.
Dunno what happened, they are entirely devoided of any style after BB and look atricious at some points. Nolan wanted to quasi remake Heat with TDK and it's naturalistic environments, completely forgetting that Mann still overstylized those specific locations, hence why Collateral, Miami Vice and especially Heat are gorgeous af movies and TDK and TDKR are just fucking ugly.
>TDK and TDKR especially however look ugly as fuck, TDK has pointless establishing shots of ugly af grey skyscrapers and TDKR has the ugliest lazy camera.
You're conflating camera work, cinematography and art direction all in one comment, amazing. And art direction is reduced wacky architecture, lol.
Look at the end fight of TDKR and tell me this is good camera work or cinematography in any way. I dare you.
Take any scene of TDK except the one good heavily featured one with the Joker standing in the middle of the street and tell me it's good in any shape or form. The chase scene in TDK is the worst chase scene I've ever seen.
>Look at the end fight of TDKR and tell me this is good camera work or cinematography in any way.
Nolan always uses basic, functional camerawork. This isn’t new. The actual cinematography is good.
> The chase scene in TDK is the worst chase scene I've ever seen.
Elaborate, I can exactly tell where your vapid opinions are copied from.
>Elaborate,
https://www.rogerebert.com/scanners/in-the-cut-part-i-shots-in-the-dark-knight
>overstylized those specific locations,
Stop the cap.
What an absolute retard
't was so boring. At least the car chase was pretty cool but that's it. I'd rather watch Terminator 2 or smth.
The car chase was fucking retarded like 300 people would've died in the psychotic wreck and explosions all over the freeway lol.
For a 3 hour movie to just be aggressively 'OK' is pretty fucking embarrassing
Nobody cares about this movie. Of all the people I know who saw it, the only one that liked it is a zoomer who hasn't watched the Nolan trilogy.
Oh! I'm fuckin' Oswald Cobblepott ovah heah!
I laughed
i fell asleep in the theater for over half of this
Same lmao, I was woken up during the penguin chase scene for about 10 minutes and then woke up during the credits
don't care, it was fucking good. Actually love pattinson's take on Bats.
Me too.
Reminded me of Burton's view of Batman.
Reeves mixed his realism with a comic book flare, which was refreshing.
Haven't loved a Batman movie since Returns, but this one managed to sway me.
All I had to do was wait thirty years to get to another good one.
agree with all your points.
I really enjoyed how it showed a more reclusive Bruce and how that reflects in his batman. The way the movie opens was so perfect for Batman imo.
also The scene in the precinct where he has to escape from the cops chasing him, shit felt real, shit was kino man.
Hopefully they keep this up with the sequels, if there will be any.
>reclusive Bruce
Yeah I fucked with that.
My favorite scene from Returns was Bruce just waiting for the signal, like he had nothing else to do. It was really interesting.
Playboy shit is fun, but I like it when Bruce is just a weirdo.
Sequel is being made, thankfully, but it got delayed due to the writer strike.
you need to go back
Go back to where? Ytmnd? I like it more here.
Can't speak for that other anon sadly, he might go back to wherever he came from.
>scene from Returns was Bruce just waiting for the signal
I get what you mean, It just shows that he IS Batman and that's who he IS. lol cringe I know but I think you know what I'm trying to say.
Ok good, I have high hopes for the sequel.
Yeah you said it well.
Actors playing three different characters was always just kind of gimmicky to me.
I'd rather have one Bruce and one Batman. Like BTAS. Bruce was just Bruce in the outside world, but he kept the Batman part of him in check.
To have "Wayne Manor Bruce", "Playboy Bruce", and "Batman" all competing for screen time is just lame.
I think the sequel will be good. Heard they're casting Harvey Dent currently.
interesting.
>Actors playing three different characters was always just kind of gimmicky to me.
I 100% agree with this, also to add to your point. For some reason when a director has to make a batman film Bruce and Batman always feel like separate characters. Also "playboy Bruce" is the least interesting. When he's engaged in the romance while he's Batman it works better imo.
I don't get why this movie gets hate from Cinemaphile so much, people will bitch about anything. The Nolan trilogy has it's place , doesn't mean we can't appreciate other takes on this legendary comic book character
Completely agree. Batman having a romance makes more sense than Bruce. Unless he's early in his career like Mask of the Phantasm or Batman 89, I can't imagine Bruce actually taking the time from his persona to go out and date women.
Nolan movies will always be there.
To me, Reeves' take felt like Burton and Nolan combined.
And that's as close to "Batman realism" as I'd like to personally get.
Cinemaphile is contrarian. Whatever the masses like, Cinemaphile dislikes.
It's a cycle. This one will be the "good old days" ten to fifteen years from now when DCU Batman 45 or whatever is coming out.
>whatever the masses like, Cinemaphile dislikes
That’s weird because I see anons praising this movie on occasion, but literally everyone I’ve asked irl didn’t like it or thought it was too long.
They also seem to think the nirvana song was overplayed even though it was only used twice in the whole movie, so maybe they’re just retarded.
Same. People I know while not outright hating the movie thought it was "so so". The only place I see it getting highly praised is Letterboxd and film twitter.
This movie was tailor made by this nonce looking twat to cater to pretentious midwit "film buffs." I cringe every time some fag praises the cinematography or says that it had "the best looking Gotham." The only other thing people praise is the pointless Batmobile chase. Surface level stuff. The writing and acting were beyond embarrassing.
> cinematography
Dude silhouettes, lmao.
The Aquaman splash (pun intended) was kino though
Cinema has degraded so rapidly in the last 10 years, it's depressing. I know immigration has been lowering the nations IQ but jesus christ, the things I see these mouth breathers praise, its too much to take in sometimes.
>forgotten
>no one cared
>no impact
if this is true then why does Cinemaphile talk about it every fucking day?
the movie was easily 1 hour longer than it needed to be. the mayor chick deciding to have a press conference while the city was being flooded on top of the riddler's online message board friends coming to kill her was an unbelievably retarded ending
Zoe Kravitsberg could fart on my tongue with a big juicy shitter! Gross!
The "idea" of this movie is great
>autist Batman
>Year 1 vibes
>Gothic art deco
Instead we got
>Nirvana
>evil white males
>smelly catwoman
>retard Riddler
>black savior politician
>rifles are good
I'm not being dramatic when I say it's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
The political subplot of the republican rival getting assassinated and then the democrat black woman winning unopposed and being hailed as the savior of Gotham that even Batman looks up to really ruined it for me
Zoomers will never undestand the climate of hype when this came out.
>climate of hype
My band name
Undeserved, it's literally just a worse looking Heat with an autist running around in a bat costume and people throwing life lessons at each other (how no single person on earth talks except for fart sniffing humanities students)
>how no single person on earth talks except
No single person on earth talks like characters in a Tarantino film or a Shakespeare play. It's also better than Heat btw.
Difference is that Tarantino never made a claim his movies try to emulate realism. Tarantinos approach was always emulating grindhouse movies with more budget.
While Nolan desperately tried to make a realistic film about a dude running around in a Bat costume in modern day Chicago.
>Difference is that Tarantino never made a claim his movies try to emulate realism
Neither does Nolan. Nolan isn't going for realism but immersion/verisimilitude.
At least it was a decently executed homage, and revolutionary at the time for being the first "realistic" superhero movie. The Batman is just a terribly written, directed and acted rip off of Se7en and Zodiac, with an actually autistic emo Batman. Look at how he walks, lmao. Just terrible.
Im something of a Batman fan myself, and even I could not find this agreeable to my tastes. Now, please allow me to bid you adieu so I might attend the fair.
First 2/3rds of the movie was 8/10. Pretty good Batman film. Last 1/3rd was a 3/10. The Riddler became a joke of a character and Catwoman’s story with Falcone was boring as hell. Overall it’s a 6/10.
it's gonna become a classic in a few years, screencap this
It's already a classic to me. Top capekino.
Someone post the webm of him jumping off the building and crashing into the bridge. Awful film but I loved its portrayal of Batman as a total incompetent failure on every level
ikr it reminded me of bvs
tired of batman being retarded
SOMETHING IN MY ASS
Zoomers like Nirvana now or so I've heard because of it. Nothing wrong with that unless you're a contrarian homosexual.
Snyder directed a movie with NOLAN as his producer, which was MoS, and Snyder basically ignored everything Nolan tried to tell him.
Nolan, for example, was super against Superman killing on the movie but Snyder insisted that it was necessary.
So if he doesn't obey Nolan, who was basically Jesus at Warner Bros, who the hell will he obey?
Comics Bruce is more likely to hire a henchmen then kill them. I wish we could get that level of unironic wholesomeness in Batman movies.
Even Punisher helps junkies and whores sometimes. Superheroes in movies really suck when the writers never read comics.
Honestly I'm just glad to see another person who wants that sort of thing. Have a good day anon.
>unironic wholesomeness in Batman movies.
What's with comicshsitters and asking every character to be le heckin wholesome, especially in such a juvenile fashion?
Wasn't Batfleck wholesome in the Snydercut?
Because they're heroes who want to help people you jaded asshole.
Of course, you post that image. What's next? Batman holding Ace's hand? Can you be any more of an NPC? Please. You, morons, don't want a character, you want a motivational poster so that you can feel safe and secure. Superman should have some friendly banter with civilians! Batman should be a symbol of hope! Even Punisher should be checking wholesome! Even Joker should be again le nazis! and you wonder why comics are shit.
None of these ideas are inherently interesting or even genuinely inspiring.
tl;dr tips fedora fuck off
> Comics-consuming subhuman calls another person a neckbeard
Kek, pot kettle...
You know, it's gotten to the point where I'm glad people like you are filtered by nice things.
It's not that people dislike "nice things" you dumb subhuman. It's that you want repetitive clichés that are so superficial that I wasn't being hyperbolic when I said that they're on the same level as motivational posters. For anyone who aren't absolute manchildren these are boring, uninspired tropes. Even a basic inspirational story like Rocky has more edge to it than the crap you're suggesting.
>You want something that never happens in movies to happen in movies
>You want a cliche
Holy shit dude. Take a goddamn pentobarbital and sleep this off.
>Why can't the world be nicer.
Because of you, apparently.
my favorite "criticism" is the car chase critique.
Penguin hit every car and only two exploded, with the two being eighteen wheelers.
Trucker vehicles have protective casing surrounding the driver in case the cargo explodes.
So I doubt anyone died, and even if they did, it was Penguin's fault.
Batman killing was established in BvS. What the fuck are you talking about?
Yeah and it was even jarring to people whose Batman knowledge was just Batman Begins.
It’s big enough to be memed about on tiktok still
They turned another franchise into a blacksploitation film. “Batman lives matter”, his role in the film is literally protecting “Chaaange” Mayor QUEEN Lakisha from the white revolutionary ringleader The Riddler. This is a prime example of new left deconstruction and deterritorialization, the CRIMINAL Wayne family is thrown into the mud. No beautiful 50s or 80s America, there is always DARKNESS behind WASP heritage. Wayne’s life history is shameful and thus he has to REJECT IT. EVERY white person in this film is a madman, a narcissist, corrupt or a psychopath. Blacks are positioned in all the respectable rules in the movie: the good policeman, the female Obama, and the doctor who saves Alfred from death. The racial casting can’t be more obvious. First scene: the black thug is persuaded by the white skinheads to fight the innocent Asian man. Truly Trump made Hollywood lose their minds and everything has to pass the left-wing filter, there is no place for iconoclastic inconsistency in the left-wing hallucination. So basically Batman uncovers the truth about his white guilt and faces Cinemaphile populist terrorist ENIGMA, however he doesn’t manage to stop CLIMATE CHANGE. Yes, Gotham is flooded by a series of bombs triggered by Enigma and his Cinemaphile minions. The evilness of whites accelerated the collapse. Batman is able to save Lakisha from the rubble and she gives an epic (lmao) SISTA speech about “rebuilding the trust in institutions” while Billionaire Batman promises to help the downtrodden with his millions.
>>You want something that never happens in movies to happens in movies
What are you talking about? It happen in movies.
Take BvS, which is what kicked this discussion. The movie opens with Batman trying to rescue his employees and helping them after a disaster, you've Batman risking his life to save a little girl and feeling dejected after finding her mother dead, you've Batman rescuing kidnapped women, and so on.
I want a personal effort beyond "monkey punch" that elevates this stuff above the common "thinly veiled excuse to kick the crap out of evil". It's fucking ironic that you talk about inspiration while everything you're listing is just a thin moral excuse for violence. Everything that you've listed is just generic reasoning for good to stomp evil into the dirt without actually reaching into the day-to-day efforts and create a personal level of investment. And at that point I'd rather watch Battlebots because that's more or less the same thing, but also interesting on a technical level.
>Everything that you've listed is just generic reasoning for good to stomp evil into the dirt without actually reaching into the day-to-day efforts and create a personal level of investment
Because it is a movie. Every scene needs to serve the character and the plot. You can't stop the narrative so you can see the day-to-day business of the hero. Do you also want to see what he does in the bathroom too for 10 mins?
>Do you also want to see what he does in the bathroom too for 10 mins?
They basically want Whedon's films. Like the Shwarma scene or that scene in age of ultron where they chat and try to lift Thor's hammer or when they go spend time in Hawkeyes home. Basically, lots slice of life stuff plus this shit
Oh.... basically the worst type of capeshit fan. The ones that want to make the soap opera aspect of capeshit even worse where most of the pages of a given comic is dedicated to characters talking about their feelings and making pop culture references. Lots of shipping nonsense and so on. Basically what awful shit X-Men comics have turned into.
>their feelings and making pop culture references. Lots of shipping nonsense and so on.
Exactly. I've been observing these "Superheroes must be wholesome, Nolan/Snyder ruined DC" types om twitter, reddit, comicvine, etc...and 99% of the time they obsess over.
1) Shipping. Especially, melodrama involving teenager characters (Robin, Cassandra and all those teen titan/sidekick characters).
2) LGBTQ representation.
3) Characters making snide remarks on current political issue that conveniently coincidences with American liberal/woke values.
4) Constant whining about Nolan and Snyder.
5) Obsessing over that panel from All Star Superman and that Ace scene from JLU.
The amount of cope an projection in these posts, lmao.
Snydershit and the batman are shit, and they don't represent the charcters they (mis)use.
Cope to hell and back
Interesting. It looks like neither of you are capable of understanding this, despite the voices of other anons speaking out in it's favor. I'm forced to conclude that you're deficient and move on. The alternative is me having to argue with retarded people.
You're the retard here.
The discussion isn't even about movies lacking heroic moments or touchy-feely feel good scenes, but rather you wanting more time and elaboration for such scenes in a movie that needs to tell its story in a 2 hour window. If you want more of that there are long-running scenes that indeed devote more time to that. So the discussion now is a matter of duration.
Old movies (in general, not superhero only) menaged that shit just fine without being bloated messes.
It's because these manchildren cannot conceptualize wholesome shit beyond a specific set of clichés. I'll tell you what they want. They want superheroes to give you vapid speeches about.
1) How you(the audience) is really heckin strong
2) How everything is going to be alright
3) How you're heroic for overcoming your daily struggles
4) How you(the working class) are the real heroes.
>1) How you(the audience) is really heckin strong
>2) How everything is going to be alright
>3) How you're heroic for overcoming your daily struggles
>4) How you(the working class) are the real heroes.
Holy fuck i know what you mean. Literally in the Sneeder League verbatim: "Superman is a beacon to the World. He didn't just save people.......hE MaDe tHeM SeE ThE BeSt pArTs oF ThEmSeLvEs". CRINGE. What' s even worse is it's all hollow lip service like in MoS after Superman shits on all the Jesus juxtaposition when he proceeded to rain hellfire and destruction in his city for the generic bossfight sequence. Cherry on top he kisses the stereotypical damsel in distress (cant get cliche than this) atop the rubble and their corpses fucking kek
Superman is borderline worshipped by these people. It's unsettling.
Nothing particularly wrong about Superman or what he represents to some people btw. Superman Returns managed to instill hope and uplift the audience without being hamfisted about it
>Superman Returns managed to instill hope and uplift the audience without being hamfisted about it.
Wut? The consensus is that the movie was boring(B+ Cinemascore) and superman came off as a stalker.
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That was a given. People want to see splosions and lazors in capeshit and Superman Returns is simply not that kind of film. I think it's very fitting and in a way meta how the superman of that film perfectly nails the feeling of a god's alienation from its npc mortals. The stalker thing is understandable also as it was the post 9 11 era with the state surveilance thing going on and glowies are known to fund movies for propaganda purposes but i have to agree he was a creep lol
You need to watch more movies dumbfuck. Heck, even excluding non-capeshit you still have this shit in Donner's superman, Raimi's Spiderman, your various cartoon shit, heck you can even have the shlocky Superman tv series that specifically panders to your sensibilities.
As I said, you're a bunch of manchildren who haven't watched a lot of media and don't realize how hilariously mind-numbing your demands are.
This is genuinely one of the worst big budget blockbusters of all time. The levels of cringe reached absurd heights.
Recent rewatch confirmed picrel is unironically the best Batman movie.
this is true. well made ridiculousness is better than badly made seriousness
>well made ridiculousness
It's shit. Being self-aware about how shit it is doesn't make it any less shit. If it weren't for nostalgia this would be considered on par with Batman & Robin. Well made, my ass.
Exactly. It's a more comedic approach to Batman but it's great.
Fuck off fag.
Kill yourself homo. The Adam west shit oozes gayness, kek.
Still better than anything made with the character in the last decade
God that retarded coke whore mulatta was so hot in this movie. I couldn’t take my eyes off her DSLs every time she was on the screen.
I wonder if I hung out in LA enough and somehow got into enough parties if I’d eventually meet her, then entice her with a baggie before rawdogging her in a bathroom stall and blasting my cum all over her dumb vapid face.
I dropped it after 10 minutes. It was boring and bland like the Nolan films. I don’t mind a dark Batman but there’s still gotta be a little bit of comic book charm or I just feel bored.
SOMETHINGS IN MY ASS
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>dude el rato lmao
was not expecting spanish I to come into play watching this
>OP
>no impact
checks out
Joker 2019 was more relevant and was made with Less Money and Won like 2 Oscars this Garbage Movie was so Boring
Joker was also a meme movie and nothing like the joker (because it was a rebranded project)
Genius marketing, tho
The only thing of any note in this film was the score, which was appropriately moody for a Batman film. Everything else about it was completely unremarkable and forgettable. For better or worse every other incarnation of Batman on film has carved out its own distinct identity, whereas this version felt more like a regurgitation of those films and the Arkham games by way of David Fincher’s cinematography and lighting. I didn’t care for Zodiac Riddler either, not even Paul Dano could redeem just how fundamentally stupid a lot of the writing was. It doesn’t help that the film is unecessarily bloated to a three-hour runtime in which it accomplishes less in introducing Batman and his world than Nolan managed in two.