>declare self as a god and kill thousands in the unironic name of self-defined and self-serving "justice" >noooo, you must put me in the proper justice system and allow me to be subject to a fair trial of my peers as a jury and prove me guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law!
Justice and the law are at best a privilege by the state overseeing a formalized revenge against criminals and victims that acted within the state's sphere of control. Actors that threaten the authority or existence of the state itself in a real way will never experience justice, only as much force and violence that the state can exert.
Never said he should have been prosecuted, just that he wasn't. >you must put me in the proper justice system and allow me to be subject to a fair trial of my peers as a jury and prove me guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law!
Japanese legal system doesn't work that way.
>Yes well that indeed sounds very absurd dunnit. I guess we should umm dismiss the entire case right Gomey? >seems like it Hank. >Except……boom. >*throws bag of Los Papas Pandillas potato chips* >See that right there? A bag of potato chips we stumbled upon at a landfill during our investigation, containing a smashed piece of mini-television within it. The exact same brand of chips observed in L’s surveillance of your client. >Gomey here thought, no way it couldn’t be this exact bag of potato chips there’s dozens of them around in multiple 7-11s. Well we pieced together the SSID and barcode on the mini TV and traced it to the domicile belonging to a….oh would you look at that, a Mr. Yagami *hehe*
thats up for the jury to decide, juries decide matters of fact. so even if they brought in 100 scientists to say its impossible it doesnt matter as long as you can convince the jury
no the judge would instruct the jury to consider the case based on if he killed those people and not if it was okay. during jury selection people who were likely to commit jury nullification would be removed
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>no the judge would instruct the jury to consider the case based on if he killed those people
there's no guarantee of that, and again, a jury can cause a mistrial for any number of reasons
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If I was on that hypothetical jury, and the case was "this man who had a heart attack was actually murdered by a man who was 5000 miles away and no we can't explain how or even why, they didn't know each other, and we have no evidence, but we're telling you he did it!" I would do everything I could to convince every other member of the jury that it was some kind of weird frame job to get rid of some innocent man because that what's it would fricking look like and that's what I would legitimately believe it was because I don't believe in magic
basically what L did. just release different killer names in different regions of the world, see who gets ganked and narrow down the location and pool of suspects.
L had already figured out Kira was Japanese from the first batch of murders being Jap convicts
He began a system of narrowing it down to a specific region, I think starting with Tokyo, and Light took the bait immediately so he didn't even have to try very hard
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It was much more than Tokyo, it was the entire Kanto region.
Even if it was just Tokyo, cities literally don't get any bigger than that.
I'm questioning if refining this method beyond that is technologically possible.
well there'd need to be cooperation between the world's law enforcement agencies for one thing
you can restrict what data gets where via ip, in theory down to individual house level but i doubt you'd need to go that far, the killer would be exposed before it comes to that i think. you could say light could have used vpn but if done properly he wouldn't even have a reason to suspect that this is a strategy that law enforcement is using until it was too late.
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Light was gaining access to restricted information without being detected so I think that rules out being able to track his computer use.
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It was odd they never did the infernal affairs tactic of leaking info to individual police, they would’ve caught him early with that.
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How would that have worked?
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>leak different information to a bunch of suspected dirty cops >whichever information is acted upon indicates which cop(s) are dirty
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I got that but how would it have worked in the actual show? What could you leak that would indicate guilt?
I can't even remember how it happened
Didn't he convince Misa's Shinigami to do it to protect her?
Gay, they should have made him figure out his name somehow
He set things up so that after Misa was free the killings would start again, (because she was doing it) leading to L suspecting her again.
L's decision to test the 13 day rule made Rem realize that Misa would be caught if she didn't kill him.
Charging him with the actual murders seems impossible.
Conspiracy to commit murder I guess would be the only thing they really got him on in the last episode.
Ok, in my possession is a book called labelled Death Note. Coincidentally everyone who has ever died exactly how it was described is written down in this book. We shall now test it on a prisoner who is going to be executed
And it works. So now we can only assume that magic now exists in our universe so you’re guilty for using magic for murder
>I AM NOT CRAZY! I'm not crazy.. I know he killed those FBI Agents! The 13 day rule.. as if I could ever make such a mistake! Never! Never! I.. I just couldn't prove it! He covered his tracks! He got that IDIOT Misa to cover for him! You think.. You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse! Ray Penburs wife! Are you telling me a woman just HAPPENS to hang herself like that?! No! He orchestrated it! Light! He'll never change.. He'll never change! Ever since he was 17 years old! COULDN'T KEEP HIS HANDS OUT OF THE CHIP BAG!
Yeah, I guess saying they would’ve caught him is stretching it, but it is a standard tactic for detecting the source of leaks. For example, Tell Group A of police Informant X has crucial information on Kira, and Group B that Informant Y does, see which informant gets killed. Obviously it would go against their nature to offer them up to die, but they could use death row inmates again or do something subtler.
Light wouldn't believe that a death row inmate has crucial information on Kira, and neither would anyone else.
And would this even work? >Hey Light this guy has info on Kira >What is the info? >I don't know / I can't tell you
It doesn't make sense for the information to appear to not be shared with everyone immediately, and if it is then killing the informant wouldn't do anything.
Just like he didn’t believe a death row inmate was L? Have you even seen the show? And he wouldn’t know the information wasn’t shared with everyone, that’s the whole point, moron. Not to mention that was just one example off the top of my head, there are dozens of different ways to go about it. You’re arguing for the sake of argument here.
But if he thinks that the information has been shared with anyone then killing the informant does literally nothing to help him, so he wouldn't do it.
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You don’t say the information has been shared, you say the informant is coming in for a statement. Frick you’re dense.
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Light wouldn't fall for that. >Some guy's coming to give us information. >How do you know he has information? >He told me. >He told you he had information but didn't tell you the information itself? >Uhhhh...
Light wouldn't even believe that they'd be dumb enough to try this stupid trick. There are a million holes in it.
I assumed because Light knew it had been swapped he had instructed X to write his name in it and exclude a scapegoat, allowing him to leave and kill the others at will because he had finally made the deal. I didn’t expect them to swap both and have some random fed be a forgery god and not have Light think of that occurring. Light was always stupid with his impulse decisions but he also always saw those sorts of twists before.
all they would have to do is have each member of the jury or tribunal touch the death note and then read the rules of it. ryuk would be undeniable proof of the legitimacy of the death note. all that would need to follow is proving the connection between light yagami and and the news caster and the guy who ended up writing in the death note while light was L
>Light >being subject to due process
Some internet schizo vigilante would've caught onto his bullshit and shot him without proof if spooks didn't do it first.
Fingerprints on the deathnote
Open and shut case
Check and mate
>prosecutor
he was killed extrajudicially
because ryuk figured he would be prosecuted and he would get bored watching him in prison waiting for his execution
>declare self as a god and kill thousands in the unironic name of self-defined and self-serving "justice"
>noooo, you must put me in the proper justice system and allow me to be subject to a fair trial of my peers as a jury and prove me guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law!
>you took the law into your own hands, which is wrong
>therefore we're taking the law into our own hands agains you!
Justice and the law are at best a privilege by the state overseeing a formalized revenge against criminals and victims that acted within the state's sphere of control. Actors that threaten the authority or existence of the state itself in a real way will never experience justice, only as much force and violence that the state can exert.
Never said he should have been prosecuted, just that he wasn't.
>you must put me in the proper justice system and allow me to be subject to a fair trial of my peers as a jury and prove me guilty beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law!
Japanese legal system doesn't work that way.
>The prosecution expects you to believe my client was killing people with a magical notebook. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, this is an absurd case
>Yes well that indeed sounds very absurd dunnit. I guess we should umm dismiss the entire case right Gomey?
>seems like it Hank.
>Except……boom.
>*throws bag of Los Papas Pandillas potato chips*
>See that right there? A bag of potato chips we stumbled upon at a landfill during our investigation, containing a smashed piece of mini-television within it. The exact same brand of chips observed in L’s surveillance of your client.
>Gomey here thought, no way it couldn’t be this exact bag of potato chips there’s dozens of them around in multiple 7-11s. Well we pieced together the SSID and barcode on the mini TV and traced it to the domicile belonging to a….oh would you look at that, a Mr. Yagami *hehe*
at some point circumstantial evidence becomes too overwhelming
>tv show where the guy only loses because the writer needed some bullshit reason to otherwise they would have most likely gotten away with it.
>>tv show where the guy only loses because the writer needed some bullshit reason to otherwise they would have most likely gotten away with it.
it would be ridiculously easy to catch light using basic statistical analysis and manipulating the release of prisoner names
but you still can't prove Light wrote names into a notebook that somehow gives people a heart attack
thats up for the jury to decide, juries decide matters of fact. so even if they brought in 100 scientists to say its impossible it doesnt matter as long as you can convince the jury
but you could more easily convince the jury that none of it even matter because only criminals ever died
no the judge would instruct the jury to consider the case based on if he killed those people and not if it was okay. during jury selection people who were likely to commit jury nullification would be removed
>no the judge would instruct the jury to consider the case based on if he killed those people
there's no guarantee of that, and again, a jury can cause a mistrial for any number of reasons
If I was on that hypothetical jury, and the case was "this man who had a heart attack was actually murdered by a man who was 5000 miles away and no we can't explain how or even why, they didn't know each other, and we have no evidence, but we're telling you he did it!" I would do everything I could to convince every other member of the jury that it was some kind of weird frame job to get rid of some innocent man because that what's it would fricking look like and that's what I would legitimately believe it was because I don't believe in magic
Can you elaborate on that?
basically what L did. just release different killer names in different regions of the world, see who gets ganked and narrow down the location and pool of suspects.
Is that possible? How would you do that?
Makes some sense for big areas but when you get down to neighborhoods and individual houses IDK.
Also, the internet already existed when this is set
L had already figured out Kira was Japanese from the first batch of murders being Jap convicts
He began a system of narrowing it down to a specific region, I think starting with Tokyo, and Light took the bait immediately so he didn't even have to try very hard
It was much more than Tokyo, it was the entire Kanto region.
Even if it was just Tokyo, cities literally don't get any bigger than that.
I'm questioning if refining this method beyond that is technologically possible.
well there'd need to be cooperation between the world's law enforcement agencies for one thing
you can restrict what data gets where via ip, in theory down to individual house level but i doubt you'd need to go that far, the killer would be exposed before it comes to that i think. you could say light could have used vpn but if done properly he wouldn't even have a reason to suspect that this is a strategy that law enforcement is using until it was too late.
Light was gaining access to restricted information without being detected so I think that rules out being able to track his computer use.
It was odd they never did the infernal affairs tactic of leaking info to individual police, they would’ve caught him early with that.
How would that have worked?
>leak different information to a bunch of suspected dirty cops
>whichever information is acted upon indicates which cop(s) are dirty
I got that but how would it have worked in the actual show? What could you leak that would indicate guilt?
Light killing L was already asspull bullshit and not clever in the slightest.
I can't even remember how it happened
Didn't he convince Misa's Shinigami to do it to protect her?
Gay, they should have made him figure out his name somehow
He set things up so that after Misa was free the killings would start again, (because she was doing it) leading to L suspecting her again.
L's decision to test the 13 day rule made Rem realize that Misa would be caught if she didn't kill him.
>prosecution has to prove magic exists to convict
>Light could have easily made this impossible
would've been a kino final act tbh
Charging him with the actual murders seems impossible.
Conspiracy to commit murder I guess would be the only thing they really got him on in the last episode.
Ok, in my possession is a book called labelled Death Note. Coincidentally everyone who has ever died exactly how it was described is written down in this book. We shall now test it on a prisoner who is going to be executed
And it works. So now we can only assume that magic now exists in our universe so you’re guilty for using magic for murder
>I AM NOT CRAZY! I'm not crazy.. I know he killed those FBI Agents! The 13 day rule.. as if I could ever make such a mistake! Never! Never! I.. I just couldn't prove it! He covered his tracks! He got that IDIOT Misa to cover for him! You think.. You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse! Ray Penburs wife! Are you telling me a woman just HAPPENS to hang herself like that?! No! He orchestrated it! Light! He'll never change.. He'll never change! Ever since he was 17 years old! COULDN'T KEEP HIS HANDS OUT OF THE CHIP BAG!
still can't prove it. Rip Rey Penbar and his wife though , that part always gives me the feels.
>Chip bag
Kek
>AND I EAT IT!
Yeah, I guess saying they would’ve caught him is stretching it, but it is a standard tactic for detecting the source of leaks. For example, Tell Group A of police Informant X has crucial information on Kira, and Group B that Informant Y does, see which informant gets killed. Obviously it would go against their nature to offer them up to die, but they could use death row inmates again or do something subtler.
Light wouldn't believe that a death row inmate has crucial information on Kira, and neither would anyone else.
And would this even work?
>Hey Light this guy has info on Kira
>What is the info?
>I don't know / I can't tell you
It doesn't make sense for the information to appear to not be shared with everyone immediately, and if it is then killing the informant wouldn't do anything.
Just like he didn’t believe a death row inmate was L? Have you even seen the show? And he wouldn’t know the information wasn’t shared with everyone, that’s the whole point, moron. Not to mention that was just one example off the top of my head, there are dozens of different ways to go about it. You’re arguing for the sake of argument here.
But if he thinks that the information has been shared with anyone then killing the informant does literally nothing to help him, so he wouldn't do it.
You don’t say the information has been shared, you say the informant is coming in for a statement. Frick you’re dense.
Light wouldn't fall for that.
>Some guy's coming to give us information.
>How do you know he has information?
>He told me.
>He told you he had information but didn't tell you the information itself?
>Uhhhh...
Light wouldn't even believe that they'd be dumb enough to try this stupid trick. There are a million holes in it.
That whole book swapping thing at the end of the series was really stupid
I assumed because Light knew it had been swapped he had instructed X to write his name in it and exclude a scapegoat, allowing him to leave and kill the others at will because he had finally made the deal. I didn’t expect them to swap both and have some random fed be a forgery god and not have Light think of that occurring. Light was always stupid with his impulse decisions but he also always saw those sorts of twists before.
>Cinemaphile meme with cringe tranime
You should really have a nice day, tr/a/nny, you'd be doing the world a favor.
all they would have to do is have each member of the jury or tribunal touch the death note and then read the rules of it. ryuk would be undeniable proof of the legitimacy of the death note. all that would need to follow is proving the connection between light yagami and and the news caster and the guy who ended up writing in the death note while light was L
>Light
>being subject to due process
Some internet schizo vigilante would've caught onto his bullshit and shot him without proof if spooks didn't do it first.