I have yet to read her series, but I love the premise of an Earth lantern being stuck doing odd jobs at the edge of space, far from all the big names. I sure hope DC didn't frick that up.
I hate JLA Classified so fricking much. >Guy's recent-ish resurrection and comeback are unaddressed beyond "lol I got better" >Guy acts wildly out of character and is a much bigger dick than he should br >has a yellow ring that he shouldn't have had - his original one that he took off Sinestro's corpse was destroyed by Parallax and there was no way for him to get a new one unless Sinestro Corps recruited him, and I'm not sure they even existed at this point >Vuldarian powers are completely ignored >in his next appearances the yellow ring is gone and he has Vuldarian powers again (until they spazz out and he gets a new green ring)
My personal headcanon is that JLA Classified had Joe Gardner who was impersonating Guy. It doesn't explain everything, but it would explain a lot.
>The OG four are great.
Yes, Alan, Hal, Guy, and John are all awesome.
Kyle needed to be the only Lantern around to be interesting. Everything else has been powerwank while screaming "look at me I'm relevant". Kind of like Tim Drake in the Batman franchise.
Muslim GL and Woman GL are too new to be memorable, but have potential.
>Kyle needed to be the only Lantern around
I mean, I liked his more artistic side that crept into his constructs. He's not a hardheaded tactical soldier like John, a reliable but wienery hothead like Guy, or a legendary hero and leader like Hal. I feel like he differentiates himself as someone that accepts his new life as a GL and remains optimistic despite all the hardships he endured. Or maybe the Johns run was my introduction to the character so I don't have the full perspective on why he's hated and trashed a lot here.
I don't hate Kyle and I wasn't trying to give that impression, but Kyle's post Rebirth books have all been about Ion or him being a White Lantern, looking to make him more powerful than everyone else instead of making him stay interesting. His best era was when he was brand new, all alone and in over his head. It's why I compared him to Tim, the same exact description applies there too. Kyle needs a rework to fit in the modern era.
What killed the franchise? Even after the 2011 movie, Hal and Pals was still going strong and then suddenly after 2017, they stopped getting multiple ongoings.
The one two punch of Morrison's second GL season and Thorne. Because even when the movie bombed, Johns was killing it on the comics. All it takes is one good thing to bring it all back.
Guy, is he the most important GL story wise. No, but he's such a fun character for team books. Second would be Hal or Kyle. I go back and forth on who I like more all the time.
I feel like Guy is the best Lantern and that I should like him the most but he's just such a fricking dick. How do you guys do it?
>he's such a fricking dick
That's why he's so likeable. Hal is a moron and Kyle is a weenie. John is boring as frick. Guy is the only one with any actual personality and it's such a larger-than-life personality that it easily makes him the most memorable.
Guy, is he the most important GL story wise. No, but he's such a fun character for team books. Second would be Hal or Kyle. I go back and forth on who I like more all the time.
1: Guy. Flawed, improves as a person but retains core personality.
2: Kyle. Fun creative GL, has most fun interactions with other league members.
3: Jessica Cruz. Interesting origin story, fun ring gimmick. Wasted on the league unfortunately.
4: Hal. Has some of the best stories but his presence sort of overshadows the other lanterns which is unfortunate.
5: Baz. Sort of interesting ring power, good origin idea, never really went anywhere and borderline irrelevant now.
6:. Jo. Too new to really rate fairly, interesting conceptually but doesn't stand out except for her design.
7. Teen lantern fricking sucks and Nova in Champions would have been the better idea to copy over hacker kid.
>6:. Jo. Too new to really rate fairly, interesting conceptually but doesn't stand out except for her design.
I loved Jo's solo title, but she's been a big fat "meh" in anything else. So disappointing.
Jess, Guy, and Alan are the best only because they actually have personalities in addition to struggles that aren't just their girlfriends getting killed.
Guy is probably the better character, he is the one of the strongest and most unique personality, his dynamics with the JL are pretty fun and he is just overall a fun character that stands out on his own.
Hals has the most iconic event tied to him from an age were comics still had most of their potential, he is a character that takes great advantage of that and is made good mostly by the writing and time period he was in, not so much on himself, but is not like he is bad.
John is only relevant because DCAU. And I guess he is black? You could make his military background more prominent, like making him more loyal to the government but I never seen that being done, but I don't read a lot of GL stuff.
Kyle is also there, I guess he has the white lantern stuff and the dead wife, and the nerd edgelord in me think those are pretty neat but the writer in me knows that as a character he is just not there, there is not a lot that stands out on him to say much.
>You could make his military background more prominent
That's what they keep doing wrong with his character. It ends up making him the boring serious straight guy.
>boring serious straight guy
That's literally his character. John is the jarhead turned architect. His job is to tardwrangle Hal and Guy and the rest of the Corps.
>And I guess he is black?
The writers fear upsetting any black readers so they make him a boring honorable military trope not forgetting their main lead dabs on militaristic hierarchies all the time.
What black people are even reading Green Lantern comics? I guarantee any black kid who liked John Stewart in the DCAU is not reading the comics or watched the 2011 movie because they probably thought Green Lantern the character was black and don't know who Hal, Kyle, or Guy are.
>I guarantee any black kid who liked John Stewart in the DCAU is not reading the comics or watched the 2011 movie because they probably thought Green Lantern the character was black and don't know who Hal, Kyle, or Guy are.
Tell that to DC who want to make John big.
A lot of heroes are guilty of having the white bread moral compass. They act the same and agree on all the same moral dilemmas. Guy is special because he isn’t a Boy Scout nor an antihero. He’s simply a dick, and that’s something special
How would you expand the GL mythos? I feel like a lot of GL space villains (as the Earth villains tend to be mainly for Hal) tend to be just factions with different colored rings powered by different emotions. There might be some factions like those spider people, but they don't get big arcs about them like Sinestro or the Red Lanterns. I kind of want to see more villains or neutral forces outside of Rann or Thanagar or the New Gods that the GLs have to deal with since I feel that the DC cosmic landscape is nowhere near as diverse or developed as the Marvel cosmic landscape, which has so many different types of characters. Obviously, DC won't reach Star Wars or Warhammer levels of factions, but I still feel like there could be more added to the space setting.
Green Lantern is shit for space opera. Douchebag overpowered space cops hanging out at douchebag overpowered space cop central, or hanging around at home.
You want cosmic, go read L.E.G.I.O.N, R.E.B.E.L.S., Omega Men, or the Legion of Superheroes.
Also frick Hawkworld.
Lanterns make Nova Corps look like chumps but in the context of their respective universes they play the exact same role. It's not hard to imagine a DC based Annihilation type event, in fact I thought the Rann-Thanagar War would be that, but DC just never had a talent for space operas despite employing Abnett
>Lanterns make Nova Corps look like chumps but in the context of their respective universes they play the exact same role.
GLC/Nova Corps crossover when?
>It's not hard to imagine a DC based Annihilation type event
They did this. Not as a massive event like Annihilation, but throughout the pages of 52, Mystery in Space, Omega Men, and a Rann/Thanagar book. It was called the Stygian Passover.
It was OK.
Guy Gardener will always be my favorite. I'm more of a fan of John and Kyle over Hal. Hal Jordan isn't horrible but his character just lacks a solid hook for a reader to relate to. He's just to 'middle of the road' in personality or aspirations.
There is no debate, only petty arguments among charactergays. It's okay to like several Green Lanterns.
Halbros... Are we floor-tile level now?
Guacamole-chan is yellow sign level and not one step lower.
Has Hal ever slipped on a banana peel?
I have yet to read her series, but I love the premise of an Earth lantern being stuck doing odd jobs at the edge of space, far from all the big names. I sure hope DC didn't frick that up.
>I sure hope DC didn't frick that up.
All debate ended with the introduction of Simon and Jessica. They suck. The OG four are great.
Simon sucks but you're crazy to say Jess is bad
Jess is literally worse than Simon
I'm a Guy guy, me.
I dunno, I like both of them better than Kyle and most depictions of John.
Guy all the way.
I hate JLA Classified so fricking much.
>Guy's recent-ish resurrection and comeback are unaddressed beyond "lol I got better"
>Guy acts wildly out of character and is a much bigger dick than he should br
>has a yellow ring that he shouldn't have had - his original one that he took off Sinestro's corpse was destroyed by Parallax and there was no way for him to get a new one unless Sinestro Corps recruited him, and I'm not sure they even existed at this point
>Vuldarian powers are completely ignored
>in his next appearances the yellow ring is gone and he has Vuldarian powers again (until they spazz out and he gets a new green ring)
My personal headcanon is that JLA Classified had Joe Gardner who was impersonating Guy. It doesn't explain everything, but it would explain a lot.
>The OG four are great.
Yes, Alan, Hal, Guy, and John are all awesome.
Kyle needed to be the only Lantern around to be interesting. Everything else has been powerwank while screaming "look at me I'm relevant". Kind of like Tim Drake in the Batman franchise.
Muslim GL and Woman GL are too new to be memorable, but have potential.
>Kyle needed to be the only Lantern around
I mean, I liked his more artistic side that crept into his constructs. He's not a hardheaded tactical soldier like John, a reliable but wienery hothead like Guy, or a legendary hero and leader like Hal. I feel like he differentiates himself as someone that accepts his new life as a GL and remains optimistic despite all the hardships he endured. Or maybe the Johns run was my introduction to the character so I don't have the full perspective on why he's hated and trashed a lot here.
I don't hate Kyle and I wasn't trying to give that impression, but Kyle's post Rebirth books have all been about Ion or him being a White Lantern, looking to make him more powerful than everyone else instead of making him stay interesting. His best era was when he was brand new, all alone and in over his head. It's why I compared him to Tim, the same exact description applies there too. Kyle needs a rework to fit in the modern era.
>so I don't have the full perspective on why he's hated and trashed a lot here.
Because he pushed as THE Green Lantern when Hal went crazy.
Kyle won me over when he had a bunch of cherubs in derby hats and smoking cigars beat the shit out of his bad guys.
What's there to debate about? They're based and sexy as hell.
For me, it's Alan Scott.
The Four Corpsmen was the best thing Vendetti did on his entire GL run.
What killed the franchise? Even after the 2011 movie, Hal and Pals was still going strong and then suddenly after 2017, they stopped getting multiple ongoings.
The one two punch of Morrison's second GL season and Thorne. Because even when the movie bombed, Johns was killing it on the comics. All it takes is one good thing to bring it all back.
Geoff Johns bought a lot of good will that finally depleted.
It was all the stuff with the other corps
You can't just use a bunch of autism bait and then go back to green only.
Jessica Cruz and Jo Mullein.
They got ass!
GOT ass nothing, they ARE ass!
I joke, I joke, Jess is cool
Jo Mullen hasn’t got anything
Apros
Kyle
Hal > Guy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyle > John
kyle beats the FRICK out of those other jobbers
Which one sucks the most? Definitively Hal Jordan.
>muh parallax
>muh ptsd
>muh girlfriend
There was never a debate.
I feel like Guy is the best Lantern and that I should like him the most but he's just such a fricking dick. How do you guys do it?
>but he's just such a fricking dick
Yet people love Batman.
>he's such a fricking dick
That's why he's so likeable. Hal is a moron and Kyle is a weenie. John is boring as frick. Guy is the only one with any actual personality and it's such a larger-than-life personality that it easily makes him the most memorable.
>Hal is a moron
That's Hal's charm point
Guy is like a good pro wrestling heel. You love to hate him and deep down he’s probably your favorite.
>all four of the earth GLC watch or know of wrestling
>Hal probably believe it
Guy, is he the most important GL story wise. No, but he's such a fun character for team books. Second would be Hal or Kyle. I go back and forth on who I like more all the time.
i like the black one better because my first exposure to green lantern was justice league unlimited
1: Guy. Flawed, improves as a person but retains core personality.
2: Kyle. Fun creative GL, has most fun interactions with other league members.
3: Jessica Cruz. Interesting origin story, fun ring gimmick. Wasted on the league unfortunately.
4: Hal. Has some of the best stories but his presence sort of overshadows the other lanterns which is unfortunate.
5: Baz. Sort of interesting ring power, good origin idea, never really went anywhere and borderline irrelevant now.
6:. Jo. Too new to really rate fairly, interesting conceptually but doesn't stand out except for her design.
7. Teen lantern fricking sucks and Nova in Champions would have been the better idea to copy over hacker kid.
I forgot John but that's because hes the most boring lantern outside of when he was cool in the DCAU hed be like 5 and move Baz to 6
No Alan, no John.
How do you ignore the two best Lanterns?
>gay and black lantern
They're the worst ones.
Honestly I forgot Alan existed I haven't read JLA shit in forever. He'd prob rank above Jo below Baz for me.
What about Alan?
What about this GL?
Before and after Tom King.
>6:. Jo. Too new to really rate fairly, interesting conceptually but doesn't stand out except for her design.
I loved Jo's solo title, but she's been a big fat "meh" in anything else. So disappointing.
That's what happens when a character meant to be completely separated from everything else is brought in. Damn shame.
I can't believe they actually thought Jo was going to be excepted with open arms replacing the Hal Lantern Corps.
Jess, Guy, and Alan are the best only because they actually have personalities in addition to struggles that aren't just their girlfriends getting killed.
Jess' only personality is being cute and having a fat ass.
Hey she also had anxiety, wanting to frick batman, and being generally competent
As well as Flash, the JL writers really had no idea what to do with Jess and just made her the team bicycle
> Having a Fat Ass
That's Mullein's Job those childbearing hips tho.
Guy is probably the better character, he is the one of the strongest and most unique personality, his dynamics with the JL are pretty fun and he is just overall a fun character that stands out on his own.
Hals has the most iconic event tied to him from an age were comics still had most of their potential, he is a character that takes great advantage of that and is made good mostly by the writing and time period he was in, not so much on himself, but is not like he is bad.
John is only relevant because DCAU. And I guess he is black? You could make his military background more prominent, like making him more loyal to the government but I never seen that being done, but I don't read a lot of GL stuff.
Kyle is also there, I guess he has the white lantern stuff and the dead wife, and the nerd edgelord in me think those are pretty neat but the writer in me knows that as a character he is just not there, there is not a lot that stands out on him to say much.
>You could make his military background more prominent
That's what they keep doing wrong with his character. It ends up making him the boring serious straight guy.
>boring serious straight guy
That's literally his character. John is the jarhead turned architect. His job is to tardwrangle Hal and Guy and the rest of the Corps.
>And I guess he is black?
The writers fear upsetting any black readers so they make him a boring honorable military trope not forgetting their main lead dabs on militaristic hierarchies all the time.
What black people are even reading Green Lantern comics? I guarantee any black kid who liked John Stewart in the DCAU is not reading the comics or watched the 2011 movie because they probably thought Green Lantern the character was black and don't know who Hal, Kyle, or Guy are.
>I guarantee any black kid who liked John Stewart in the DCAU is not reading the comics or watched the 2011 movie because they probably thought Green Lantern the character was black and don't know who Hal, Kyle, or Guy are.
Tell that to DC who want to make John big.
>John is only relevant because DCAU.
Which is a shame since the comic writers tend to not give him as much personality as he had in the DCAU.
He had no personality in the DCAU, he was literally only there to be someone for the more interesting characters to bounce off of
>He had no personality in the DCAU
Indeed, my statement still stands.
A lot of heroes are guilty of having the white bread moral compass. They act the same and agree on all the same moral dilemmas. Guy is special because he isn’t a Boy Scout nor an antihero. He’s simply a dick, and that’s something special
personally? you're asking me? you wanna know what i think? kyle.
For me, its John Stewart
Jess
Guy is by far the best of those four. But you're a homosexual if your favorite Lantern is human.
What about Jade? Alan Scott's Daughter and Kyle's Girlfriend.
Guardian, Parallax, Nightstar, Ion
Warrior not Guardian.
Guy > Hal = John > Kyle =Simon > Jess
How would you expand the GL mythos? I feel like a lot of GL space villains (as the Earth villains tend to be mainly for Hal) tend to be just factions with different colored rings powered by different emotions. There might be some factions like those spider people, but they don't get big arcs about them like Sinestro or the Red Lanterns. I kind of want to see more villains or neutral forces outside of Rann or Thanagar or the New Gods that the GLs have to deal with since I feel that the DC cosmic landscape is nowhere near as diverse or developed as the Marvel cosmic landscape, which has so many different types of characters. Obviously, DC won't reach Star Wars or Warhammer levels of factions, but I still feel like there could be more added to the space setting.
Green Lantern is shit for space opera. Douchebag overpowered space cops hanging out at douchebag overpowered space cop central, or hanging around at home.
You want cosmic, go read L.E.G.I.O.N, R.E.B.E.L.S., Omega Men, or the Legion of Superheroes.
Also frick Hawkworld.
Lanterns make Nova Corps look like chumps but in the context of their respective universes they play the exact same role. It's not hard to imagine a DC based Annihilation type event, in fact I thought the Rann-Thanagar War would be that, but DC just never had a talent for space operas despite employing Abnett
>Lanterns make Nova Corps look like chumps but in the context of their respective universes they play the exact same role.
GLC/Nova Corps crossover when?
>It's not hard to imagine a DC based Annihilation type event
They did this. Not as a massive event like Annihilation, but throughout the pages of 52, Mystery in Space, Omega Men, and a Rann/Thanagar book. It was called the Stygian Passover.
It was OK.
Guy
Guy
Kyle as Lantern
Hal as Parallax
Guy as Warrior (bonus if Gal Gardner)
John as... who cares?
So, John just a regular Green Lantern then?
I think they're trying to make him some sort of space knight.
>Kyle as Ion
>Hal as White Lantern
>Guy as Green Lantern
>John as Alpha Lantern
FTFY
>there was a time when we had like four to five GL books at a time
Bros...
Guy Gardener will always be my favorite. I'm more of a fan of John and Kyle over Hal. Hal Jordan isn't horrible but his character just lacks a solid hook for a reader to relate to. He's just to 'middle of the road' in personality or aspirations.