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Almost none of the totally anime-original content in 03 is good, especially the ending. Though it still has value in what it did adapt from the manga being generally better paced.
There is no debate. 03 was better is almost every single way: animation, pacing, tone, humor, soundtrack, character arcs, themes, ect.
Happy endings are kino. Sad endings are for people who like men.
03 is for edgy nostalgiagays and nobody else
this
Almost none of the totally anime-original content in 03 is good, especially the ending. Though it still has value in what it did adapt from the manga being generally better paced.
At least that one made sense.
Between that one completely bland character gaining an automail for half his body which he could magically control despite taking years of rehabilitation for someone to move an automail limb, Pride losing because of a very contrived reason, and Al being able to move all this time but not doing so before to help his brother because of bad writing, is a complete shitshow.
>Al being able to move all this time but not doing so before to help his brother because of bad writing
We could nitpick Brotherhood a lot more if we are going the cinemasins route. At one point Al uses that little girls long distance alkehestry to give eds arm back by sacrificing himself, instead of you know....Using the long distance Alkehestry to destroy the iron rod pinning Ed. All this happens while Father is just standing there gawking at both of them. KEK. Literally one of the dumbest shit I've seen.
>At one point Al uses that little girls long distance alkehestry to give eds arm back by sacrificing himself, instead of you know....Using the long distance Alkehestry to destroy the iron rod pinning Ed.
Did you forget that Ed's automail arm was broken?
>everyone shitting on '03
Funny how Cinemaphile has the exact opposite opinion. Maybe Cinemaphile just doesn't know the first thing about anime. You're on the level of MALgays.
Extremely mentally unwell Cinemaphile poster than has an obsession with shitting on FMAB, with that image representing the comedic elements he feels are out of place. He makes at least one thread a day about it.
yeah i just kept underestimating him at every turn. eve after that i was sure the fuhrer would frick him up after picking up on his plotting. and then after that i figured envy would get the drop on him same way he did on hughes.
>Cinemaphile
the people with the best taste on Cinemaphile are the hispanics discussing DBS and other shonenshit.
Cinemaphile ranks below even r/anime in the taste department
FMA is an inherently shit show but the OG is best yeah brotherhood is even more fricking melodramatic and why do the same story over again. OG at least has a hint of charm
Cinemaphile are the worst people on the entire site, and they love Brotherhood, HxH, isekai and idol piss.
FMA is actually kino.
FMA isn't even as good as wolf's rain which at least gets all the stupidity out of the way in 30 episodes
Vioc Mignola is a pedophile.
Which is why Cinemaphile likes him.
lol i'm one of the few people on tv that knows the very very well-known >steve blum represents leftists >vic mignogna represents chuds
meme in anime... you gotta' understand just how know-nothing zoomers are these days on this general
No it fricking doesn't you newbie. Cinemaphilesshole since 05 and everyone knows the quickest way to start a shit fest is post a FMA vs FMAB thread or waifu wars bullshit.
the manga is and always was the best way to consume FMA. the movies were all shit, they never made a decent vidya game, and both animes have serious flaws. it's a comic book just read it while you shit and get over it. 03 had kino OP/ED songs though
>03 had kino OP/ED songs though
While true, don't forget the absolute bangers Brotherhood had.
The most nostalgic OPs and EDs in the game. I'm getting old.
Imagine not including ED4, absolute kino. Playing it over Grumman laughing about the assassination attempt on Bradley is one of the most based moments in the series.
We honestly could’ve had two sloths if you merged the characters and bad big sloth do the leg work then had mother sloth do the heartstring pulling. Bradley was the best Pride by far.
The divergence point between the manga and 03 anime is basically RIGHT when Bradley is revealed as a homunculus, so they had to write all of his motivations and characterization as a villain from scratch, and it doesn't take.
ISHVALLANON! IT SEEMS I WAS MISTAKEN!
I THOUGHT THE SCIENCE OF SNEEDPOSTING WAS ABHORRENT IN THE EYES OF CIA, THE ONE YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE GREATEST OF MEMES!
Not a troony. In alchemy there is a concept called the Rebis, which is the part of the Great Work where opposites are merged, specifically male and female, as well as the sun and the moon and spirit and matter.
So it was more like he was a hermaphrodite.
It's not a debate at all.
Autismal spergs like Brotherhood, while FMA is the one with actual soul. Not debatable.
The people who enjoy Brotherhood are the same who praise Hunter X Hunter into the skies, and unironically believe it's a deliberate "deconstruction" of genres.
nope
that's the classic autistic weeb cope though >W-well I bet you like THIS show! Don't you feel stupid for liking this thing that I don't like? Do you have any idea how upset I am that you like that show?!?
lmao you literally cannot perceive things outside of the lens of anime
I mean like I get maybe you don't like Cinemaphile but this shit is always going on this fricking board and I don't get it.
You don't want to talk about anime? Then fricking don't, otherwise there's fricking Cinemaphile. Want to talk about cartoons? That's what fricking Cinemaphile is for.
I'm just so fricking exhausted with this shit.
Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
>You don't want to talk about anime? Then fricking don't, otherwise there's fricking Cinemaphile
Because Cinemaphile has tons of baggage and you can't talk about stuff that has already been discussed a million times at this point.
>Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
Because being animated doesn't stop them from being television or film you autistic wannabe janny moron.
>I'm just so fricking exhausted with this shit.
Then don't click on this thread? >Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
Imagine getting this upset over an anime thread on Cinemaphile, lmao
Have you seen Supernatural? It's like the Western equivalent of FMA because it has the same dynamic of tough guy older brother and kind younger brother. Cinemaphile explained that it's because later children have higher estrogen or something.
>kind younger brother
He's only kind in the first season and then he slowly becomes a heartless c**t until he literally becomes the vessel of satan and then soulless.
Kind, selfless, courageous, and intelligent. Alphonse is all of these things and more when he has every right to be bitter at everything and everyone for what happened to him. He’s a beautiful soul and exactly what others should aspire to be.
I remember thinking 2003 was surprisingly mature for an anime when I watched it. Later I watched Brotherhood because people raved about it, but it seemed very childish in comparison and never finished it. Didn't Scar starts taking care of a little girl and they become like a comedic duo? I dropped it around then.
I never finished Brotherhood either and I finished the original. It didn't even feel the same. I ony gave it a chance because I loved the original anime and ended up watching like half.
FMA is so kino and zoomers don't have shit, lol. We had the Nasuverse as well. I played those Visual Novels when Cinemaphile still knew what Tsukihime is.
In the late 90s and early 00s it was somewhat common for an ambitious director to take a shonen manga and try to elevate the material into something more adult and cinematic. It happened to Rurouni Kenshin, Hunter x Hunter, and FMA among others. Those were some good times for anime. Brotherhood came out later, when anime was already dumbed down, and it was just a somewhat entertaining but very shallow story of powerful kids fighting powerful bad guys.
I thought she was a much more compelling villain than Father. Not some super powerful villain out of a Final Fantasy game. Just a very ambitious human being who is so old and powerful that has a completely different perspective of the world. Hohenheim was also much better written in 2003. It was much more realistic.
This is correct thematically as well. A core foundation of the critique of alchemy is the arrogance of man to desire immortality. With the Father, he was just a creature created in a jar. His actions say nothing about humanity, because he isn't human. At most its a cautionary tale about meddling in things you don't fully understand since he was created by humans. And FMA already does that with Ed and Al early on and the attempt to bring back Trisha. In '03 Hohenheim and Dante show the opposing dichotomy of a repentant alchemist as opposed to an alchemist still arrogantly desiring eternal life.
I liked 2003 Wrath but I hated that he and his mom died in the movie, they deserved a happy ending.
The artstyle and animation of 2003 is also infinitely better than the garbage artstyle of brotherhood.
The stone is completely different. 03 is like a thriller and gets darker and darker as it goes on. It's very gloomy and melancholic. Brotherhood is closer to something like One Piece.
>the stone
I meant the tone. But the way they deal with the philosophical stone is also better in 03. Scar's arc was much better. In Brotherhood they whitewashed him too much. In 03 he has depth, but the show never forgets that he's a terrorist and there isn't a way back for him.
this pretty much describes the difference. original was like you said, kino as frick and whoever disgrees that brotherhood is better has never truly watched 03 fully. i dont understand how you can watch both and say brotherhood is better except if you're an autist which is 90% of anime gays. they get hung up over the fact that its not manga accurate and other artistic details and they think thats somehow an argument. anime gays are the worst.
did a revisit recently, both animes and manga simultaneously. 03 anime did have the stronger start, the music is just better and the first 2 "big" deaths felt more meaningful. but the sadder atmosphere starts insisting on itself at some point and it doesn't develop into anything particularly interesting. the deaths also feel more meaningless somehow after greed's. misery porn stuff
people say fmab rushed the beginning but not really. they just didn't linger the way fma 03 did. the pacing was fine
i feel like both are still necessary. or at least 03 until episode 25 where it truly branches off. fmab has the better material in the end... cooler developments, endgame, and even the music past a certain point.
>people say fmab rushed the beginning but not really. they just didn't linger the way fma 03 did. the pacing was fine
Based take. Never really understood the early pacing criticism. I watched Brotherhood first knowing nothing about FMA and had no trouble understanding the characters, what they stood for/wanted and how they related to each other.
If anything, I don't like early 03 because of stupid shit like the Barry the chopper episode
>and had no trouble understanding the characters, what they stood for/wanted and how they related to each other
Because in Brotherhood the characters are paper thin and everything has a white and black morality. Hard to get confused.
In both series Ed decides he's going to be GOOD and help everyone he can. In Brotherhood the plots awards him for it every time and in the end all is nice and well. In 03 instead Ed's reckless idealism leads him to help Kimblee, who first things he does after being freed is to kill a bunch of innocent people, and Ed has to accept that in life you can't just go around trying to do good. I feel that's the main difference between both shows. Brotherhood has a childish understanding of the world.
>In both series Ed decides he's going to be GOOD and help everyone he ca
You aren't even correct right off the bat.
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Anonymous
I'll give you an specific example. In Brotherhood Ed saves Heinkel and Darius from dying despite being villains, and thanks to that they get reformed through the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP. Compare that bullshit to Ed saving Kimblee in 03. The difference in nuance between both shows is night and day.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>and thanks to that they get reformed through the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP
Ed only saved them because he needed them to save himself, he literally puts this into words. They realized that they were expendable by the people who gave them orders, so they make the rational choice and go with Ed.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>They realized that >they make the rational choice
Meanwhile in real life pic related is what happens when you help a criminal. They don't realize anything. They don't make rational choices. They are like Kimblee. If they get a chance to kill again they will take it. Brotherhood's idealism is dumb.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile in real life pic related is what happens when you help a criminal.
Hinkel and Darius are not criminals.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>criminals
we know nothing about their pasts, for all we know they were soldiers who were experimented on like Jerso and Zampano.
>fmab has the better material in the end
This. The original just gets so fricking sad at the end. I was like there are no good people in this show? By the end Al is the only good person left, because even Ed has lost his idealism.
The first anime is great up until Reole, Brotherhood rushes through all of that and as a result Nina, Alexander and Hughes' deaths have very little impact.
>Nina, Alexander and Hughes' deaths have very little impact.
It assumes you watched the earlier series so it doesn't meander too much, but you're insane if you think Hughes death has little impact. His death is a relevant plot point until the last episode, and the turmoil of Nina lasts on the Elric brothers and is used a staple reason for Ed to find his humility in the climax.
It's an unfair comparison since I haven't seen 2003 since it aired, but Brotherhood's ideas felt more well-developed and stuck with me a lot more. The story's core conceit is that misanthropy is for homosexuals and israelites, and I agree.
anime dub VA who got cancelled by marzgurl a channel awesome hanger-on and perenniel attentionprostitute with a history of making shit up and being a nutcase. she submitted testimony """on behalf of underage fans""" that the guy made sexual advances towards them at a Con. There is no evidence this actually happened and the accusers themselves remain anonymous to this day.
Brotherhood feels like such a stock, cliche anime it’s only real boon is that it’s a fairly tight one that won’t take ages to go through and doesn’t meander much.
With the original I actually felt attached to the characters and world.
Loved 03, couldnt stand to watch brotherhood after watching 03. Brotherhoods art was worse, the pacing was faster, but not better. 03 has its faults, but I enjoyed it more
Maybe Brotherhood is better in story aspects and whatever. I can't get passed the art. It is painfully painfully of the late 2000s where all of a sudden japan decided rounding everything off and deleting shading so everything is completely flat was the 'in thing' to do. It looks distractingly bad to me.
It's genuinely hilarious that people pretend that 03 is completely different when it's just a shittier version of the manga with tons of dogshit filler. People really do just defend whatever they watch first.
what even "is" filler, if it helps to set the tone of the show or develop character it isn't filler, frick most people agree that the episode of dbz where goku and piccolo learn to drive is great and it doesn't do either of those things
10 months ago
Anonymous
Filler is shit not in the source material. Pretty simple. The piccolo learning to drive ep is filler and unbelievably overrated.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>piccolo
All the filler stuff with Piccolo raising Gohan is the best part of DBZ.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>the best part
Not even fricking close. But yeah its alright.
It’s such a weebfried way of viewing things. When I watch an adaptation of a book I’m not autistically taking note of things changed for the adaptation
10 months ago
Anonymous
Which is why all the adaptations you get are so shit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Things get adapted because the source material is good. The whole point is to adapt it well. You people are so fricking moronic. It's how the term filler has always been used. If you want to use it differently then go ahead but it makes you look dumb.
>with tons of dogshit filler
You're like the Black folk who defend Hunter x Hunter 2011 over 99 because it has faster pace. homie, it's the filler what makes it good.
Right literally is better though. Left is try hard and is not conveying the right emotions. It makes Illumi too sinister. Right gets it right because Killua is scared shitless, but for Illumi it's nothing.
That's a matter of preference.
Personally I find the older animation style more charming and generally I prefer it, but in the case of HxH the one on the right fits the tone of the series much better.
>emotionally driven
It's overly bleak emo depth for 14 year olds. I liked it just fine when I was 14, but Brotherhood is about maturing into optimism and self-actualization despite the world's darkness. It's a much more mature and complex ethos than 2003's.
What is the point of these threads? Brotherhood fans are too dismissive and 03 fans tout fake intellectual superiority. Just constant shit flinging all over the place. How about some detailed discussion about what you like/dislike about aspects of both shows?
these threads are just for shitposting. everything was discussed fully over 10 years ago by this point. there's a 6 hour long peak autism youtube video comparing and contrasting every ballsack hair of 2003 and Brotherhood.
Its fine for people to like both shows generally, but I dislike it when people refuse to take a stance on which they think is better.
But ok, one reason 03 is better is that the themes of that show are generally more grounded and relatable than those of brotherhood, which tend to be more childish. In both shows the major characters struggle with adversity in the face of their goals and beliefs, but its only in 03 that the characters sometimes have to compromise 𝘢nd ch𝘢nge those beliefs in the face of adversity.
A good example is Eds pacifism. Brotherhood loved to suck Eds dick about his conviction to never kill anybody. And despite constantly getting into fights to the death with immortal monsters backed by the power of the state, he doesn't and ...... everything turns out fine. In 03 his pacifism is presented an aspect of his youthful naivete. Greed picks up on this and warns Ed that he needs to wise up; if actually wants to stop the homunculi and the military and survive, he has to be ready to kill. Ed does end up killing Greed, and as a result he matures and changes as a character. Because of this he is able to destroy Sloth later because he goes into it knowing he has to kill her.
This is what I mean when I say Brotherhood is childish; Ed is a fricking kid, of course he doesn't have an unshakable moral core, there's a lot he doesn't know shit about. Ed in 03 is constantly having his beliefs and perceptions challenged, and sometimes he changes as a result. His perceptions of the homunculi and their humanity, the adults like Mustang and what they did in the war, equivalent exchange ect. are constantly in flux and it is what makes him an interesting and dynamic character, as opposed to a borderline Mary Sue like he is in Brotherhood.
03 is better. Better colors and shading, and more of a cinematic feel than a stereotypical battle shonen anime. One is a 00s anime and one is a 10s anime. Might just prefer it because I watched it first though.
>Brotherhood has bad animation
I'll grant you that overall, 03 has more detailed animation. But tons Brotherhood moments have better animation than 03, which is where it really counts. The big, flashy set pieces are really well done in Brotherhood.
The Godfather: better than the book.
The Shining: better than the book
Jaws: better than the book
FMA 03: better than the book.
crying about lack of faithfulness is a dumb way to approach criticism. 03 is it’s own thing and there’s a reason for people to prefer it.
>and there’s a reason for people to prefer it.
Yeah they watched it when they were a kid. It's such a fricking joke to compare it to a few of the only examples ever in recorded history where an adaptation surpassed the source material. 03 ain't one of them.
I like both, brotherhood might be a more tight and complete story but I like the tone of 03 better and the homunculi were much more interesting and developed there
>I like both, brotherhood might be a more tight and complete story but I like the tone of 03 better and the homunculi were much more interesting and developed there
Agreed on both counts, 03 did the homunculi the best and 08 was closer to the story
FMA aside from the dumbass parallel ending things was like the fighting felt like it was a fight to the death not a naruto fight scene and the homunculi were a very real threat instead of being half goofy half serious. Honestly the og would have been a lot better if they let them finish it properly but ultimately what is better depends if you prefer a decent adventure shonen type anime or a gritty tragedy
The animation and pacing for the Leto/Priest episodes in 2003 is night and day. That's the one that got me into Anime in the first place. Though it likely wasn't the best thing to watch when I was 4 years old. Oh well, 19 years later I'm happy I saw that scene. Gave me a real appreciation for that kind of stuff.
I'm really sad that the Brotherhood story wasn't told with the 03 animation. I like it a lot better over all though the 03 had better filler episodes.
Just got finished watching Brotherhood. It's got terrible pacing and bored me shitless. Far too forced for the message it's trying to get across and characters like Wrath and Pride were legitimately unbeatable except by plot. Ed is a forgettable protagonist. Easily one of the worst anime I've ever watched and I'm convinced it is baby's first anime.
What are the differences between the two? I haven't seen either. All I know is, apparently the original goes in a different direction from the manga and has a different ending. That's pretty much all I know.
do people actually think Brotherhood is inferior to 03? this is bizarre I thought 03 was a forgotten anime and Brotherhood is regarded as one of the best animes of all time? am I crazy? is this 03 love some kind of weird niche thing from Cinemaphile weird anime people?
Did you watch 03 first? If so then you expected Brotherhood to try and ape its predecessor. Instead we got wacky Chinese characters and bizarrely bad jokes undercutting every serious scene. If they showed the tiniest bit of restraint, Brotherhood could've been the clear superior product but instead it feels horrifically unbalanced.
yeah I watched 03 first the story was pretty creepy which was what I liked about it but at the end of the day it's just another mediocre anime with an overall plot made up on the spot, it's only relevant due to its association with Brotherhood, one of the most popular non long running animes
>best animes of all time
brotherhood ain't up there... if we're talking best ever series it's stuff like dbz/dragonball/inuyasha/cowboy bebop >I thought 03 was a forgotten anime
it's run got a ton more eyeballs on adult swim everyone loved this stupid ad
What are the differences between the two? I haven't seen either. All I know is, apparently the original goes in a different direction from the manga and has a different ending. That's pretty much all I know.
both are melodramatic and long... brotherhood is even longer and more melodramatic. believe they also try to keep hughes around longer as fan-service in reaction to people loving him
This completely baffles me too. It's probably because I read the manga before watching the anime, meaning that 03 just seems like an offensively stupid and rushed cashgrab. I'm guessing the people who defend 03 are those that watched it when it came out, when they were 12 and everything seemed awesome.
I never bothered to watch more than a few episodes of 03 so I can't tell. I dropped it as soon as I noticed nonsensical stuff was added to the story, like the general with the weapons alchemy, which felt completely out of touch with the universe.
As an anime fan, you should've researched on how they are different. A quick google search will tell you that these two series are completely different versions. I thought Brotherhood was season 2 before I started lol
I know the most important difference, and the only one I really need to know: Brotherhood faithfully follows the source material, while 03 was rushed through with a studio-written ending. How it could even be a debate is beyond me.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>OMG. IT DOESN'T FOLLOW SOURCE MATERIAL SO IT MUST SUCK
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yes
10 months ago
Anonymous
Someone should tell him that the source material can often suck. Children of Men book is shlock compared to the movie.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The FMA manga is great, though.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Jej, sure.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's probably the most universally acclaimed seinen manga there is. If you're not into that genre, that's fine, but then why are you even in this thread?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>It's probably the most universally acclaimed seinen manga there is
It's shonen.
10 months ago
Anonymous
3D women are not consistent with their logic
Even as a 14 yo the ending of Brotherhood made zero sense to me. >hur dur equivalent exchange >completely shits on the very thing it built
10 months ago
Anonymous
Clearly Ed's alchemy diploma worth a soul and a body. He probably even overpayed
03 was the best of the two, the problem was that it ended before the end of the manga, 08 (brotherhood) is more complete but it doesn’t hit the same as 03 did even though it was the more accurate. There should be a mix of both of them as they both had some really great ideas and both had some not so great ideas.
>The entire series is about two brothers who happened to be white-skinned, blue-eyed, blonde-haired Aryans AKA the MASTER RACE representatives, who are traveling through Europe and creating new inventions in order to help people from inferior races with darker skin complexions
Good to know that Hiromu Arakawa and all Japs at Studio Bones were extremely red pilled back in the 2000s
I like both, FMA in the early episodes is superior while slowly getting worse until like 10-15 episodes from the end there is a massive writing quality drop. While FMAB felt rushed in the beginning and gradually got better where the last 10-15 episodes are fantastic.
Why do nips make anime out of unfinished manga?
Because of this there are 2 FMA's and 2 Hunter x Hunter's. There will likely need to be a 3rd Hunter x Hunter if Togashi survives long enough to finish it.
Even as someone who likes happy endings the ending of Brotherhood is too saccharine and if you pay the slightest bit of attention you can notice a lot of moronic writers' copium where they do shit like write Marco out of the conflict because oops I gave him a philosopher's stone I guess him and the lion man don't matter any more
That being said however, the '03 version of FMA still holds a special place in my heart. How it used the elements that had been laid down to create an entirely different world which focused on the horror elements of alchemy/the world, more than spectacle was interesting.
Likewise, I honestly do think that the Homunculi in '03 were much better characters for the most part and I honestly prefer the origins of them being a collection of failed attempts at human transmutations to them being aspects of the main antagonist.
That being said, the biggest issue is that the majority of the cast aside from the Homunculi, Ed, Al and Dante weren't really given a lot of focus, and as much as I enjoy the 03 Homunculi, the human characters are more interesting.
>Likewise, I honestly do think that the Homunculi in '03 were much better characters for the most part and I honestly prefer the origins of them being a collection of failed attempts at human transmutations to them being aspects of the main antagonist.
Agreed. But their motivations/reason for serving the antagonist dont all make sense. pride, sloth and explicitly envy dont even seem to care about becoming human
>’03 was a better character piece about self discovery while brotherhood had the overall, better overarching plot with a more cohesive storyline >Homunculus varied; Lust and Sloth was far better in ‘03, Wrath in ‘03 and Pride in brotherhood were both good. Both Envy stories were interesting too. For Wrath in brotherhood it was cool to see more of his homunculus storyline develop. Greed and Greed-Ling were cool. >’03 music was better overall but brotherhood had some banger openings. >’03 art looked better >’03 hit the emotional scenes harder >both movies blew
Holy shit a thread about FMA where we got not one but TWO solid series from the same source material and there are a thousand (you)s b***hing about it. I prefer FMAB but they are both cool and I'd wager 99% of the people in their have their preference determined by whichever series they saw first.
Here's an idea. Why not watch 03 until around ep. 20 or so, and then switch to FMAB when they enter the 5th laboratory. The only issue I can think of is that a few scenes like pic related would be repeated.
I just liked that homonculis have more personality in 03. When Mustang was burning Lust in Brotherhood, I felt disappointed that Lust was just a regular boss fight. And I really liked the entirety of 03 sloth and her relationship with Ed and Al. I was disappointed that except for Wrath and Greed, Homonculli were just glorified henchmen.
Brotherhood's ending is more moronic than the original imo. And there's no "If you kill a literal serial killer than you're just as bad as him!" bullshit
what debate?
Happy endings are kino. Sad endings are for people who like men.
this
Almost none of the totally anime-original content in 03 is good, especially the ending. Though it still has value in what it did adapt from the manga being generally better paced.
Why not both?
>MUH HECKIN BITTERSWEET ENDING
virgins
virgin virgin virgin. that's all i can think about when someone likes 2003
There is no debate. 03 was better is almost every single way: animation, pacing, tone, humor, soundtrack, character arcs, themes, ect.
filtered
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Looks pretty cool ngl
Robo-archer is silly, but I'll take one episode with him over Brotherhood undercutting every dramatic scene with painfully bad humor.
>another anon filtered by Archer
Will never not be funny.
Kino.
>there is no debate
only said by people who know they're wrong
brotherhood might of been better written but it's so weeb that it hurts. The darker tone of 03 is a breath of fresh air.
They hated him, for he told the truth.
No, for he was moronic
>BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I LIKE MEN
alright man, I don't judge
Parallel universes are a hack's staple in storytelling
>that's all i can think about when someone likes 2003
this. brotherhood is quality and it's not even close.
>MUH EPIC BLONDE SEPHIROTH FIGHT
At least that one made sense.
Between that one completely bland character gaining an automail for half his body which he could magically control despite taking years of rehabilitation for someone to move an automail limb, Pride losing because of a very contrived reason, and Al being able to move all this time but not doing so before to help his brother because of bad writing, is a complete shitshow.
>Al being able to move all this time but not doing so before to help his brother because of bad writing
We could nitpick Brotherhood a lot more if we are going the cinemasins route. At one point Al uses that little girls long distance alkehestry to give eds arm back by sacrificing himself, instead of you know....Using the long distance Alkehestry to destroy the iron rod pinning Ed. All this happens while Father is just standing there gawking at both of them. KEK. Literally one of the dumbest shit I've seen.
>At one point Al uses that little girls long distance alkehestry to give eds arm back by sacrificing himself, instead of you know....Using the long distance Alkehestry to destroy the iron rod pinning Ed.
Did you forget that Ed's automail arm was broken?
Yes and he doesn't need automail arms to run away from father.
>mfw the ending to the movie for the original
most sanest white woman
03 is for edgy nostalgiagays and nobody else
>everyone shitting on '03
Funny how Cinemaphile has the exact opposite opinion. Maybe Cinemaphile just doesn't know the first thing about anime. You're on the level of MALgays.
>Brotherhood """humor"""
what the frick is this
undistilled mindbroken autistic obsession
these are the homosexuals that spend thousands of hours of their waking lives shitting up the board because they're allowed to
Least schizo Cinemaphile poster
Extremely mentally unwell Cinemaphile poster than has an obsession with shitting on FMAB, with that image representing the comedic elements he feels are out of place. He makes at least one thread a day about it.
'03 gay BTFO
>almost a thousand posts
Holy fricking shit lmao
Why was Mustang so cool?
>you think he's some shitty fire guy
>ends up beating Lust somehow
yeah i just kept underestimating him at every turn. eve after that i was sure the fuhrer would frick him up after picking up on his plotting. and then after that i figured envy would get the drop on him same way he did on hughes.
>Cinemaphile
the people with the best taste on Cinemaphile are the hispanics discussing DBS and other shonenshit.
Cinemaphile ranks below even r/anime in the taste department
Cinemaphile are the worst people on the entire site, and they love Brotherhood, HxH, isekai and idol piss.
FMA is actually kino.
The constant chibi scenes is what turned me off to brotherhood. I only got around 5 episodes in because of it.
Filtered.
cringy weeb
funny every time
last thread wasn't awful enough huh
FMA is an inherently shit show but the OG is best yeah brotherhood is even more fricking melodramatic and why do the same story over again. OG at least has a hint of charm
FMA isn't even as good as wolf's rain which at least gets all the stupidity out of the way in 30 episodes
lol i'm one of the few people on tv that knows the very very well-known
>steve blum represents leftists
>vic mignogna represents chuds
meme in anime... you gotta' understand just how know-nothing zoomers are these days on this general
No it fricking doesn't you newbie. Cinemaphilesshole since 05 and everyone knows the quickest way to start a shit fest is post a FMA vs FMAB thread or waifu wars bullshit.
the manga is and always was the best way to consume FMA. the movies were all shit, they never made a decent vidya game, and both animes have serious flaws. it's a comic book just read it while you shit and get over it. 03 had kino OP/ED songs though
the psp fighting game isn't bad but it wasn't released in america.
>visual novel shit
>AI just spazzes out
hmmm...graphics are nice though and the battle damage is a nice touch. maybe i'll give it a try
There's an english version from the EU/AUS version so the iso is easy to find. I wonder if the emulator can do LAN stuff
>03 had kino OP/ED songs though
While true, don't forget the absolute bangers Brotherhood had.
Imagine not including ED4, absolute kino. Playing it over Grumman laughing about the assassination attempt on Bradley is one of the most based moments in the series.
FMK
>what if sloth was.... le jacked?
>what if pride was.... le small?
that does not answer the question anon
I think sloth had less to do with being an ironic subversion and more just Arakawa wanting to draw more sexy muscle men.
We honestly could’ve had two sloths if you merged the characters and bad big sloth do the leg work then had mother sloth do the heartstring pulling. Bradley was the best Pride by far.
No you couldn't, that's not how homunculus are born.
Homunculus were made differently in both
There are plenty of reason why I don't care for 03 but honestly one of the biggest is just how much cooler Brotherhood Bradley is.
The divergence point between the manga and 03 anime is basically RIGHT when Bradley is revealed as a homunculus, so they had to write all of his motivations and characterization as a villain from scratch, and it doesn't take.
ISHVALLANON! IT SEEMS I WAS MISTAKEN!
I THOUGHT THE SCIENCE OF SNEEDPOSTING WAS ABHORRENT IN THE EYES OF CIA, THE ONE YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE GREATEST OF MEMES!
Absolutely kino.
scar did nothing wrong
What the frick was his problem?
no segs
>implying he didn't frick around with a huge artificial wiener before separating Lust from himself
Ahh, so he was transcel, I mean he was genderless, basically non-binary.
Not a troony. In alchemy there is a concept called the Rebis, which is the part of the Great Work where opposites are merged, specifically male and female, as well as the sun and the moon and spirit and matter.
So it was more like he was a hermaphrodite.
>Not a troony. In alchemy there is a concept called the Rebis, which
WHICH IS WHERE ALL THIS moronic TROON SHIT CAME FROM IN THE FIRST PLACE. HELLO.
Was told to go outside, touch grass and be himself but when he did it everyone screamed "no! not like that!"
He did nothing wrong. Poor fella just wanted to be free, and realized that flesh was yet another flask
Basado
Woah, deep.
nothing, thats why kimblee was based
Kimblee going face in the end felt strange ngl
Kimblee was based in Brotherhood. Pride tried to be a b***h, but Kimblee wouldn't let him.
Frick Cinemaphile. Like half of the threads there are just BOOBA bait. At least on Cinemaphile that shit is mostly relegated to the webm threads.
It's not a debate at all.
Autismal spergs like Brotherhood, while FMA is the one with actual soul. Not debatable.
The people who enjoy Brotherhood are the same who praise Hunter X Hunter into the skies, and unironically believe it's a deliberate "deconstruction" of genres.
other way around, friendling
>03 cuck also filtered by hxh kino
Many such cases.
03 gays can kill themselves.
Shittiest taste imaginable
There really is no debate.
>three different Gintama entries
>LOGH isn't in the top 3 anymore
MAL is officially dead
>seething LOGH cuck thinks anyone gives a frick about his dumbass homosexual show that's only good for meme reaction images
Let me guess, you're an AoT fan.
nope
that's the classic autistic weeb cope though
>W-well I bet you like THIS show! Don't you feel stupid for liking this thing that I don't like? Do you have any idea how upset I am that you like that show?!?
lmao you literally cannot perceive things outside of the lens of anime
>t. shonenbaby
let me redirect you to the post I already made >189157833
>ENDLESS TRASH
>mfw I see that list
>bleach
03 with no doubt
>edge blah blah blah
your mum
Why is this on Cinemaphile?
I mean like I get maybe you don't like Cinemaphile but this shit is always going on this fricking board and I don't get it.
You don't want to talk about anime? Then fricking don't, otherwise there's fricking Cinemaphile. Want to talk about cartoons? That's what fricking Cinemaphile is for.
I'm just so fricking exhausted with this shit.
Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
>You don't want to talk about anime? Then fricking don't, otherwise there's fricking Cinemaphile
Because Cinemaphile has tons of baggage and you can't talk about stuff that has already been discussed a million times at this point.
Cinemaphile had brag about they're the purest board for years and the fact they're one of the fastest dying board makes you a lot of thinks
>Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
Because being animated doesn't stop them from being television or film you autistic wannabe janny moron.
Why something that is on tv on a board about tv shows?
Because frick tr/a/nnies that's why.
Adults who are still interested in that are literally deranged.
>I'm just so fricking exhausted with this shit.
Then don't click on this thread?
>Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
Imagine getting this upset over an anime thread on Cinemaphile, lmao
>Imagine getting this upset over an anime thread on Cinemaphile, lmao
>an anime thread on Cinemaphile
Uh oh, you're gonna make him post t h a t image.
You sound like a horrible homosexual. I feel bad for people who have to deal with you.
I miss this lil homie like you wouldn’t believe
Alphonse is one of my favorite characters in fiction.
He might be your favourite but he's literally me, because I'm a younger brother who's taller and wider; Made the anime really relatable.
Bro same.
Have you seen Supernatural? It's like the Western equivalent of FMA because it has the same dynamic of tough guy older brother and kind younger brother. Cinemaphile explained that it's because later children have higher estrogen or something.
FMA was 100 concise chapters, supernatural is like 15 seasons meandering without course
>kind younger brother
He's only kind in the first season and then he slowly becomes a heartless c**t until he literally becomes the vessel of satan and then soulless.
Kind, selfless, courageous, and intelligent. Alphonse is all of these things and more when he has every right to be bitter at everything and everyone for what happened to him. He’s a beautiful soul and exactly what others should aspire to be.
I remember thinking 2003 was surprisingly mature for an anime when I watched it. Later I watched Brotherhood because people raved about it, but it seemed very childish in comparison and never finished it. Didn't Scar starts taking care of a little girl and they become like a comedic duo? I dropped it around then.
I never finished Brotherhood either and I finished the original. It didn't even feel the same. I ony gave it a chance because I loved the original anime and ended up watching like half.
>and they become like a comedic duo?
not at all, they rarely have moments together
FMA is so kino and zoomers don't have shit, lol. We had the Nasuverse as well. I played those Visual Novels when Cinemaphile still knew what Tsukihime is.
MC looks like a gay. Wonder if there are any dojins with him dressed up like a girl. He'd make a good trap
I think you're just gay
No
Brotherhood, I don't understand how this is even a debate. It's objectively superior and gays just prefer 03 because they watched it first.
>It's objectively superior
If you're a kid maybe.
You gays really need to stick to Naruto if 03 is too brainy for you.
Not brainy, just gay.
No brain and gay? Good to know.
The book/brotherhood was.
i watched brotherhood first but i think 03 is better. and this is for me having 09 as top for years
nothing in this series makes sense
it was written by a woman
The '03 is more of a thriller with some action. Brotherhood is dbz
>FMA is now 20 years old
AHHHHHH WHERE DID THE TIME GO
In the late 90s and early 00s it was somewhat common for an ambitious director to take a shonen manga and try to elevate the material into something more adult and cinematic. It happened to Rurouni Kenshin, Hunter x Hunter, and FMA among others. Those were some good times for anime. Brotherhood came out later, when anime was already dumbed down, and it was just a somewhat entertaining but very shallow story of powerful kids fighting powerful bad guys.
>shallow
no debate, the one with olivier wins
Too old. She literally says she's passed the age where most women have two kids
so 23?
I like both, but heres a point in favor of the 2003 anime
Oh, also
And let's not forget cute bookworm Ścieżka.
03 had the hotter villain, I wish they introduced her a bit sooner
I thought she was a much more compelling villain than Father. Not some super powerful villain out of a Final Fantasy game. Just a very ambitious human being who is so old and powerful that has a completely different perspective of the world. Hohenheim was also much better written in 2003. It was much more realistic.
This is correct thematically as well. A core foundation of the critique of alchemy is the arrogance of man to desire immortality. With the Father, he was just a creature created in a jar. His actions say nothing about humanity, because he isn't human. At most its a cautionary tale about meddling in things you don't fully understand since he was created by humans. And FMA already does that with Ed and Al early on and the attempt to bring back Trisha. In '03 Hohenheim and Dante show the opposing dichotomy of a repentant alchemist as opposed to an alchemist still arrogantly desiring eternal life.
The most nostalgic OPs and EDs in the game. I'm getting old.
>OP2 coming back for the ending
I still tear up a bit every time.
I liked 2003 Wrath but I hated that he and his mom died in the movie, they deserved a happy ending.
The artstyle and animation of 2003 is also infinitely better than the garbage artstyle of brotherhood.
whats the difference
The stone is completely different. 03 is like a thriller and gets darker and darker as it goes on. It's very gloomy and melancholic. Brotherhood is closer to something like One Piece.
>the stone
I meant the tone. But the way they deal with the philosophical stone is also better in 03. Scar's arc was much better. In Brotherhood they whitewashed him too much. In 03 he has depth, but the show never forgets that he's a terrorist and there isn't a way back for him.
this pretty much describes the difference. original was like you said, kino as frick and whoever disgrees that brotherhood is better has never truly watched 03 fully. i dont understand how you can watch both and say brotherhood is better except if you're an autist which is 90% of anime gays. they get hung up over the fact that its not manga accurate and other artistic details and they think thats somehow an argument. anime gays are the worst.
did a revisit recently, both animes and manga simultaneously. 03 anime did have the stronger start, the music is just better and the first 2 "big" deaths felt more meaningful. but the sadder atmosphere starts insisting on itself at some point and it doesn't develop into anything particularly interesting. the deaths also feel more meaningless somehow after greed's. misery porn stuff
people say fmab rushed the beginning but not really. they just didn't linger the way fma 03 did. the pacing was fine
i feel like both are still necessary. or at least 03 until episode 25 where it truly branches off. fmab has the better material in the end... cooler developments, endgame, and even the music past a certain point.
>people say fmab rushed the beginning but not really. they just didn't linger the way fma 03 did. the pacing was fine
Based take. Never really understood the early pacing criticism. I watched Brotherhood first knowing nothing about FMA and had no trouble understanding the characters, what they stood for/wanted and how they related to each other.
If anything, I don't like early 03 because of stupid shit like the Barry the chopper episode
>and had no trouble understanding the characters, what they stood for/wanted and how they related to each other
Because in Brotherhood the characters are paper thin and everything has a white and black morality. Hard to get confused.
>everything has a white and black morality
No it doesn't.
In both series Ed decides he's going to be GOOD and help everyone he can. In Brotherhood the plots awards him for it every time and in the end all is nice and well. In 03 instead Ed's reckless idealism leads him to help Kimblee, who first things he does after being freed is to kill a bunch of innocent people, and Ed has to accept that in life you can't just go around trying to do good. I feel that's the main difference between both shows. Brotherhood has a childish understanding of the world.
>In both series Ed decides he's going to be GOOD and help everyone he ca
You aren't even correct right off the bat.
I'll give you an specific example. In Brotherhood Ed saves Heinkel and Darius from dying despite being villains, and thanks to that they get reformed through the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP. Compare that bullshit to Ed saving Kimblee in 03. The difference in nuance between both shows is night and day.
>and thanks to that they get reformed through the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP
Ed only saved them because he needed them to save himself, he literally puts this into words. They realized that they were expendable by the people who gave them orders, so they make the rational choice and go with Ed.
>They realized that
>they make the rational choice
Meanwhile in real life pic related is what happens when you help a criminal. They don't realize anything. They don't make rational choices. They are like Kimblee. If they get a chance to kill again they will take it. Brotherhood's idealism is dumb.
>Meanwhile in real life pic related is what happens when you help a criminal.
Hinkel and Darius are not criminals.
>criminals
we know nothing about their pasts, for all we know they were soldiers who were experimented on like Jerso and Zampano.
>fmab has the better material in the end
This. The original just gets so fricking sad at the end. I was like there are no good people in this show? By the end Al is the only good person left, because even Ed has lost his idealism.
>fmab has the better material in the end
the climax was dogshit
>>wot if homuncules gets big, we destroy it and the show ends
LOL
Banger. Don’t care how often it’s said.
Imma let you finish but: https://youtu.be/ShEAiFqkY0E?feature=shared
overwhelmingly nostalgic
Mango > 03 > Brotherhood
The first anime is great up until Reole, Brotherhood rushes through all of that and as a result Nina, Alexander and Hughes' deaths have very little impact.
>Nina, Alexander and Hughes' deaths have very little impact.
It assumes you watched the earlier series so it doesn't meander too much, but you're insane if you think Hughes death has little impact. His death is a relevant plot point until the last episode, and the turmoil of Nina lasts on the Elric brothers and is used a staple reason for Ed to find his humility in the climax.
Plot relevancy does not substitute for character development and audience attachment, Hughes is just a plot device in Brotherhood.
I love when a thread like this pops up, it gives me the chance to shill my arrangement of a FMAB track.
https://voca.ro/1afAX3Nb40yF
It's an unfair comparison since I haven't seen 2003 since it aired, but Brotherhood's ideas felt more well-developed and stuck with me a lot more. The story's core conceit is that misanthropy is for homosexuals and israelites, and I agree.
03fans reek of "it was my first anime". Brotherhood is one of the best shows of all time.
I think you can say the same thing about fans of both series.
Vioc Mignola is a pedophile.
Which is why Cinemaphile likes him.
>Vioc Mignola is a pedophile.
>Which is why Cinemaphile likes him.
We don't know who he is.
anime dub VA who got cancelled by marzgurl a channel awesome hanger-on and perenniel attentionprostitute with a history of making shit up and being a nutcase. she submitted testimony """on behalf of underage fans""" that the guy made sexual advances towards them at a Con. There is no evidence this actually happened and the accusers themselves remain anonymous to this day.
Dumb dub troony
You're almost as much of moron as him.
03 has good animation everything else about it is garbage. Brotherhood is the definitive adaptation. This is inarguable.
Brotherhood feels like such a stock, cliche anime it’s only real boon is that it’s a fairly tight one that won’t take ages to go through and doesn’t meander much.
With the original I actually felt attached to the characters and world.
Brotherhood, because it's more true to the teachings of irl alchemy and ends with based ego death.
>more true to the teachings of irl alchemy
You can seethe about it all you want, it is.
Loved 03, couldnt stand to watch brotherhood after watching 03. Brotherhoods art was worse, the pacing was faster, but not better. 03 has its faults, but I enjoyed it more
Maybe Brotherhood is better in story aspects and whatever. I can't get passed the art. It is painfully painfully of the late 2000s where all of a sudden japan decided rounding everything off and deleting shading so everything is completely flat was the 'in thing' to do. It looks distractingly bad to me.
It's genuinely hilarious that people pretend that 03 is completely different when it's just a shittier version of the manga with tons of dogshit filler. People really do just defend whatever they watch first.
Maybe I just don’t give a shit about the manga.
Wow that has nothing to do with my post.
It’s not “filler” to me, I take it as it’s own story.
Anon it's objectively filler. You can't decide if it is or not lel.
what even "is" filler, if it helps to set the tone of the show or develop character it isn't filler, frick most people agree that the episode of dbz where goku and piccolo learn to drive is great and it doesn't do either of those things
Filler is shit not in the source material. Pretty simple. The piccolo learning to drive ep is filler and unbelievably overrated.
>piccolo
All the filler stuff with Piccolo raising Gohan is the best part of DBZ.
>the best part
Not even fricking close. But yeah its alright.
It’s such a weebfried way of viewing things. When I watch an adaptation of a book I’m not autistically taking note of things changed for the adaptation
Which is why all the adaptations you get are so shit.
Things get adapted because the source material is good. The whole point is to adapt it well. You people are so fricking moronic. It's how the term filler has always been used. If you want to use it differently then go ahead but it makes you look dumb.
>with tons of dogshit filler
You're like the Black folk who defend Hunter x Hunter 2011 over 99 because it has faster pace. homie, it's the filler what makes it good.
11 is better if only because it has the CA arc. Also all the filler in 99 is awful. 99 is good in spite of all the filler not because of it.
Right literally is better though. Left is try hard and is not conveying the right emotions. It makes Illumi too sinister. Right gets it right because Killua is scared shitless, but for Illumi it's nothing.
Don't even bother. People who post these cherrypicked ass comparisons are beyond help.
'11 is better because they're both pretty much the same and it has more of the story
>they're both pretty much the same
In content yes, but they are very different in style. 2011 looks better.
Haven't seen HxH but right looks cooler though? The colors are much brighter and vibrant and the resolution is much higher.
That's a matter of preference.
Personally I find the older animation style more charming and generally I prefer it, but in the case of HxH the one on the right fits the tone of the series much better.
03 is much more emotionally driven and has a better story, yet people dismiss it due to "being like a fanfic"(meaningless criticism)
>bro I love filler the studios made up on the spot when they ran out of content!!!!
They knew they were writing an original ending from the beginning, it’s why original characters like Lyra and Sloth show up early on.
>emotionally driven
It's overly bleak emo depth for 14 year olds. I liked it just fine when I was 14, but Brotherhood is about maturing into optimism and self-actualization despite the world's darkness. It's a much more mature and complex ethos than 2003's.
What is the point of these threads? Brotherhood fans are too dismissive and 03 fans tout fake intellectual superiority. Just constant shit flinging all over the place. How about some detailed discussion about what you like/dislike about aspects of both shows?
these threads are just for shitposting. everything was discussed fully over 10 years ago by this point. there's a 6 hour long peak autism youtube video comparing and contrasting every ballsack hair of 2003 and Brotherhood.
Its fine for people to like both shows generally, but I dislike it when people refuse to take a stance on which they think is better.
But ok, one reason 03 is better is that the themes of that show are generally more grounded and relatable than those of brotherhood, which tend to be more childish. In both shows the major characters struggle with adversity in the face of their goals and beliefs, but its only in 03 that the characters sometimes have to compromise 𝘢nd ch𝘢nge those beliefs in the face of adversity.
A good example is Eds pacifism. Brotherhood loved to suck Eds dick about his conviction to never kill anybody. And despite constantly getting into fights to the death with immortal monsters backed by the power of the state, he doesn't and ...... everything turns out fine. In 03 his pacifism is presented an aspect of his youthful naivete. Greed picks up on this and warns Ed that he needs to wise up; if actually wants to stop the homunculi and the military and survive, he has to be ready to kill. Ed does end up killing Greed, and as a result he matures and changes as a character. Because of this he is able to destroy Sloth later because he goes into it knowing he has to kill her.
This is what I mean when I say Brotherhood is childish; Ed is a fricking kid, of course he doesn't have an unshakable moral core, there's a lot he doesn't know shit about. Ed in 03 is constantly having his beliefs and perceptions challenged, and sometimes he changes as a result. His perceptions of the homunculi and their humanity, the adults like Mustang and what they did in the war, equivalent exchange ect. are constantly in flux and it is what makes him an interesting and dynamic character, as opposed to a borderline Mary Sue like he is in Brotherhood.
I agree. 03 FMA is better written overall.
all I remember is always getting to the Chimera dog arc and I have to quit the series because its so fricking brutal
>Fetch, Nina.
03 is better. Better colors and shading, and more of a cinematic feel than a stereotypical battle shonen anime. One is a 00s anime and one is a 10s anime. Might just prefer it because I watched it first though.
>Brotherhood has bad animation
I'll grant you that overall, 03 has more detailed animation. But tons Brotherhood moments have better animation than 03, which is where it really counts. The big, flashy set pieces are really well done in Brotherhood.
It's not just a matter of fluidity. 03 is much more cinematic when it comes to camera angles, gamma and editing.
>It's not just a matter of fluidity
No, but it's 90% of it.
The Godfather: better than the book.
The Shining: better than the book
Jaws: better than the book
FMA 03: better than the book.
crying about lack of faithfulness is a dumb way to approach criticism. 03 is it’s own thing and there’s a reason for people to prefer it.
>and there’s a reason for people to prefer it.
Yeah they watched it when they were a kid. It's such a fricking joke to compare it to a few of the only examples ever in recorded history where an adaptation surpassed the source material. 03 ain't one of them.
>there’s a reason for people to prefer it.
Because it was their first anime.
I like both, brotherhood might be a more tight and complete story but I like the tone of 03 better and the homunculi were much more interesting and developed there
>I like both, brotherhood might be a more tight and complete story but I like the tone of 03 better and the homunculi were much more interesting and developed there
Agreed on both counts, 03 did the homunculi the best and 08 was closer to the story
Yes, yes, well done, Brotherhood, well done.
HOWEVER…
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FMA aside from the dumbass parallel ending things was like the fighting felt like it was a fight to the death not a naruto fight scene and the homunculi were a very real threat instead of being half goofy half serious. Honestly the og would have been a lot better if they let them finish it properly but ultimately what is better depends if you prefer a decent adventure shonen type anime or a gritty tragedy
The animation and pacing for the Leto/Priest episodes in 2003 is night and day. That's the one that got me into Anime in the first place. Though it likely wasn't the best thing to watch when I was 4 years old. Oh well, 19 years later I'm happy I saw that scene. Gave me a real appreciation for that kind of stuff.
I'm really sad that the Brotherhood story wasn't told with the 03 animation. I like it a lot better over all though the 03 had better filler episodes.
The lack of outlines on his hair in Brotherhood always irked me
I like Brotherhood more because I like happy endings. Simple as.
Original had the better story/execution
Brotherhood had the significantly better ending
Just got finished watching Brotherhood. It's got terrible pacing and bored me shitless. Far too forced for the message it's trying to get across and characters like Wrath and Pride were legitimately unbeatable except by plot. Ed is a forgettable protagonist. Easily one of the worst anime I've ever watched and I'm convinced it is baby's first anime.
>Easily one of the worst anime I've ever watched
How many have you seen? 3?
What are the differences between the two? I haven't seen either. All I know is, apparently the original goes in a different direction from the manga and has a different ending. That's pretty much all I know.
do people actually think Brotherhood is inferior to 03? this is bizarre I thought 03 was a forgotten anime and Brotherhood is regarded as one of the best animes of all time? am I crazy? is this 03 love some kind of weird niche thing from Cinemaphile weird anime people?
Did you watch 03 first? If so then you expected Brotherhood to try and ape its predecessor. Instead we got wacky Chinese characters and bizarrely bad jokes undercutting every serious scene. If they showed the tiniest bit of restraint, Brotherhood could've been the clear superior product but instead it feels horrifically unbalanced.
yeah I watched 03 first the story was pretty creepy which was what I liked about it but at the end of the day it's just another mediocre anime with an overall plot made up on the spot, it's only relevant due to its association with Brotherhood, one of the most popular non long running animes
>best animes of all time
brotherhood ain't up there... if we're talking best ever series it's stuff like dbz/dragonball/inuyasha/cowboy bebop
>I thought 03 was a forgotten anime
it's run got a ton more eyeballs on adult swim everyone loved this stupid ad
both are melodramatic and long... brotherhood is even longer and more melodramatic. believe they also try to keep hughes around longer as fan-service in reaction to people loving him
>best ever
Dbz inuyasha
You can't be serious. Fma is definitely better than both of those. By like a mile.
Loud minority. Contrarians tend to be that way.
03 is tied to early Cinemaphile culture. It's an "anime website" that was largely used by kids who could only watch Adult Swim anime.
This completely baffles me too. It's probably because I read the manga before watching the anime, meaning that 03 just seems like an offensively stupid and rushed cashgrab. I'm guessing the people who defend 03 are those that watched it when it came out, when they were 12 and everything seemed awesome.
I watched brotherhood at 14 and FMA at 19. I feel FMA is better.
I never bothered to watch more than a few episodes of 03 so I can't tell. I dropped it as soon as I noticed nonsensical stuff was added to the story, like the general with the weapons alchemy, which felt completely out of touch with the universe.
As an anime fan, you should've researched on how they are different. A quick google search will tell you that these two series are completely different versions. I thought Brotherhood was season 2 before I started lol
I know the most important difference, and the only one I really need to know: Brotherhood faithfully follows the source material, while 03 was rushed through with a studio-written ending. How it could even be a debate is beyond me.
>OMG. IT DOESN'T FOLLOW SOURCE MATERIAL SO IT MUST SUCK
Yes
Someone should tell him that the source material can often suck. Children of Men book is shlock compared to the movie.
The FMA manga is great, though.
Jej, sure.
It's probably the most universally acclaimed seinen manga there is. If you're not into that genre, that's fine, but then why are you even in this thread?
>It's probably the most universally acclaimed seinen manga there is
It's shonen.
Even as a 14 yo the ending of Brotherhood made zero sense to me.
>hur dur equivalent exchange
>completely shits on the very thing it built
Clearly Ed's alchemy diploma worth a soul and a body. He probably even overpayed
03 was the best of the two, the problem was that it ended before the end of the manga, 08 (brotherhood) is more complete but it doesn’t hit the same as 03 did even though it was the more accurate. There should be a mix of both of them as they both had some really great ideas and both had some not so great ideas.
Neither was great, but Brotherhood was much worse
>incredibly shitty over the top comedy
>follows muh manga, but it's worse in some ways
>The entire series is about two brothers who happened to be white-skinned, blue-eyed, blonde-haired Aryans AKA the MASTER RACE representatives, who are traveling through Europe and creating new inventions in order to help people from inferior races with darker skin complexions
Good to know that Hiromu Arakawa and all Japs at Studio Bones were extremely red pilled back in the 2000s
Their homeland is literally germany if it had alchemy as they live in the alchemy world
What are the chances of 03gays being the same DBSpics obsessed with edgeshit transformations and seethed at Luffy's Gear 5 being toonshit?
you have an entire board for this
I like both, FMA in the early episodes is superior while slowly getting worse until like 10-15 episodes from the end there is a massive writing quality drop. While FMAB felt rushed in the beginning and gradually got better where the last 10-15 episodes are fantastic.
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>full
>metal
>alchemist
even the name just has that magic
Why do nips make anime out of unfinished manga?
Because of this there are 2 FMA's and 2 Hunter x Hunter's. There will likely need to be a 3rd Hunter x Hunter if Togashi survives long enough to finish it.
At this point there needs to be some sort of requirement that to get a show, your story needs to be AT LEAST 60% finished and published.
Brotherhood is unironically the greatest shonen series of all time. 2003 comes a close second
fma had better openings
Even as someone who likes happy endings the ending of Brotherhood is too saccharine and if you pay the slightest bit of attention you can notice a lot of moronic writers' copium where they do shit like write Marco out of the conflict because oops I gave him a philosopher's stone I guess him and the lion man don't matter any more
>saccharine
Where do I start with FMA?
Never watched a second of these series
read the manga
Left is for kids
Right is for adults
both of those are for kids
care to explain why that's mature other than blood?
adult characters
Roy Mustang , Scar and Bradley are adults
none of which are main characters
To me, those are the only ones that matter in the show. Along with Hohenheim in '09
>cartoon
>for adults
Please. Anime its for kids, the same go for games.
Stop this ooh is so mature shit.
>my thing is better than your thing
youre part of the problem, homosexual
Brotherhood is superior in almost every way.
That being said however, the '03 version of FMA still holds a special place in my heart. How it used the elements that had been laid down to create an entirely different world which focused on the horror elements of alchemy/the world, more than spectacle was interesting.
Likewise, I honestly do think that the Homunculi in '03 were much better characters for the most part and I honestly prefer the origins of them being a collection of failed attempts at human transmutations to them being aspects of the main antagonist.
That being said, the biggest issue is that the majority of the cast aside from the Homunculi, Ed, Al and Dante weren't really given a lot of focus, and as much as I enjoy the 03 Homunculi, the human characters are more interesting.
>Likewise, I honestly do think that the Homunculi in '03 were much better characters for the most part and I honestly prefer the origins of them being a collection of failed attempts at human transmutations to them being aspects of the main antagonist.
Agreed. But their motivations/reason for serving the antagonist dont all make sense. pride, sloth and explicitly envy dont even seem to care about becoming human
>’03 was a better character piece about self discovery while brotherhood had the overall, better overarching plot with a more cohesive storyline
>Homunculus varied; Lust and Sloth was far better in ‘03, Wrath in ‘03 and Pride in brotherhood were both good. Both Envy stories were interesting too. For Wrath in brotherhood it was cool to see more of his homunculus storyline develop. Greed and Greed-Ling were cool.
>’03 music was better overall but brotherhood had some banger openings.
>’03 art looked better
>’03 hit the emotional scenes harder
>both movies blew
Overall Brotherhood was better.
03 = DC
B = Marvel
3D women are not consistent with their logic
I'm about to watch FMA 2003 and I'll let u know
Meanwhile Evangelion's source material is anime itself
Brotherhood and manga threw it's early themes into trash to make space for le epic fighterinos and happy ending.
03 stuck with them to the end.
Holy shit a thread about FMA where we got not one but TWO solid series from the same source material and there are a thousand (you)s b***hing about it. I prefer FMAB but they are both cool and I'd wager 99% of the people in their have their preference determined by whichever series they saw first.
Conqueror of Shamballa ending is fricking nonsensical and ruins any chances for FMA 2003. Brotherhood mogs.
QRD? I'm almost 80% through the 03 show.
if you're that far in just watch it. the ending is so fricking bad.
I never watched conqueror of shamballa, I felt the ending of the original show was good enough
Here's an idea. Why not watch 03 until around ep. 20 or so, and then switch to FMAB when they enter the 5th laboratory. The only issue I can think of is that a few scenes like pic related would be repeated.
I just liked that homonculis have more personality in 03. When Mustang was burning Lust in Brotherhood, I felt disappointed that Lust was just a regular boss fight. And I really liked the entirety of 03 sloth and her relationship with Ed and Al. I was disappointed that except for Wrath and Greed, Homonculli were just glorified henchmen.
Brotherhood's ending is more moronic than the original imo. And there's no "If you kill a literal serial killer than you're just as bad as him!" bullshit
Fullmetal Alchemist is widely regarded as one of the greatest anime of all time.
Yeah, but which one?
FMAbros.... we're almost to the #1 spot on Cinemaphile