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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    what debate?

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Happy endings are kino. Sad endings are for people who like men.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      this
      Almost none of the totally anime-original content in 03 is good, especially the ending. Though it still has value in what it did adapt from the manga being generally better paced.

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why not both?

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >MUH HECKIN BITTERSWEET ENDING
    virgins
    virgin virgin virgin. that's all i can think about when someone likes 2003

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There is no debate. 03 was better is almost every single way: animation, pacing, tone, humor, soundtrack, character arcs, themes, ect.

      Happy endings are kino. Sad endings are for people who like men.

      03 is for edgy nostalgiagays and nobody else

      this
      Almost none of the totally anime-original content in 03 is good, especially the ending. Though it still has value in what it did adapt from the manga being generally better paced.

      filtered

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Looks pretty cool ngl

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Robo-archer is silly, but I'll take one episode with him over Brotherhood undercutting every dramatic scene with painfully bad humor.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >another anon filtered by Archer
          Will never not be funny.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kino.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >there is no debate
        only said by people who know they're wrong

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          brotherhood might of been better written but it's so weeb that it hurts. The darker tone of 03 is a breath of fresh air.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They hated him, for he told the truth.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, for he was moronic

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I LIKE MEN
        alright man, I don't judge

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Parallel universes are a hack's staple in storytelling

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >that's all i can think about when someone likes 2003
      this. brotherhood is quality and it's not even close.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >MUH EPIC BLONDE SEPHIROTH FIGHT

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        At least that one made sense.
        Between that one completely bland character gaining an automail for half his body which he could magically control despite taking years of rehabilitation for someone to move an automail limb, Pride losing because of a very contrived reason, and Al being able to move all this time but not doing so before to help his brother because of bad writing, is a complete shitshow.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Al being able to move all this time but not doing so before to help his brother because of bad writing
          We could nitpick Brotherhood a lot more if we are going the cinemasins route. At one point Al uses that little girls long distance alkehestry to give eds arm back by sacrificing himself, instead of you know....Using the long distance Alkehestry to destroy the iron rod pinning Ed. All this happens while Father is just standing there gawking at both of them. KEK. Literally one of the dumbest shit I've seen.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >At one point Al uses that little girls long distance alkehestry to give eds arm back by sacrificing himself, instead of you know....Using the long distance Alkehestry to destroy the iron rod pinning Ed.
            Did you forget that Ed's automail arm was broken?

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes and he doesn't need automail arms to run away from father.

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >mfw the ending to the movie for the original

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      most sanest white woman

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 is for edgy nostalgiagays and nobody else

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >everyone shitting on '03
    Funny how Cinemaphile has the exact opposite opinion. Maybe Cinemaphile just doesn't know the first thing about anime. You're on the level of MALgays.

    >Brotherhood """humor"""

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        what the frick is this

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          undistilled mindbroken autistic obsession

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          these are the homosexuals that spend thousands of hours of their waking lives shitting up the board because they're allowed to

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Least schizo Cinemaphile poster

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Extremely mentally unwell Cinemaphile poster than has an obsession with shitting on FMAB, with that image representing the comedic elements he feels are out of place. He makes at least one thread a day about it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        '03 gay BTFO

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >almost a thousand posts
        Holy fricking shit lmao

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why was Mustang so cool?
      >you think he's some shitty fire guy
      >ends up beating Lust somehow

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah i just kept underestimating him at every turn. eve after that i was sure the fuhrer would frick him up after picking up on his plotting. and then after that i figured envy would get the drop on him same way he did on hughes.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Cinemaphile
      the people with the best taste on Cinemaphile are the hispanics discussing DBS and other shonenshit.
      Cinemaphile ranks below even r/anime in the taste department

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cinemaphile are the worst people on the entire site, and they love Brotherhood, HxH, isekai and idol piss.
      FMA is actually kino.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The constant chibi scenes is what turned me off to brotherhood. I only got around 5 episodes in because of it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Filtered.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          cringy weeb

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      funny every time

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      last thread wasn't awful enough huh

      FMA is an inherently shit show but the OG is best yeah brotherhood is even more fricking melodramatic and why do the same story over again. OG at least has a hint of charm

      Cinemaphile are the worst people on the entire site, and they love Brotherhood, HxH, isekai and idol piss.
      FMA is actually kino.

      FMA isn't even as good as wolf's rain which at least gets all the stupidity out of the way in 30 episodes

      Vioc Mignola is a pedophile.

      Which is why Cinemaphile likes him.

      lol i'm one of the few people on tv that knows the very very well-known
      >steve blum represents leftists
      >vic mignogna represents chuds
      meme in anime... you gotta' understand just how know-nothing zoomers are these days on this general

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      No it fricking doesn't you newbie. Cinemaphilesshole since 05 and everyone knows the quickest way to start a shit fest is post a FMA vs FMAB thread or waifu wars bullshit.

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    the manga is and always was the best way to consume FMA. the movies were all shit, they never made a decent vidya game, and both animes have serious flaws. it's a comic book just read it while you shit and get over it. 03 had kino OP/ED songs though

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      the psp fighting game isn't bad but it wasn't released in america.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >visual novel shit
        >AI just spazzes out
        hmmm...graphics are nice though and the battle damage is a nice touch. maybe i'll give it a try

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's an english version from the EU/AUS version so the iso is easy to find. I wonder if the emulator can do LAN stuff

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >03 had kino OP/ED songs though
      While true, don't forget the absolute bangers Brotherhood had.

      The most nostalgic OPs and EDs in the game. I'm getting old.

      Imagine not including ED4, absolute kino. Playing it over Grumman laughing about the assassination attempt on Bradley is one of the most based moments in the series.

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    FMK

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >what if sloth was.... le jacked?
      >what if pride was.... le small?

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        that does not answer the question anon

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think sloth had less to do with being an ironic subversion and more just Arakawa wanting to draw more sexy muscle men.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        We honestly could’ve had two sloths if you merged the characters and bad big sloth do the leg work then had mother sloth do the heartstring pulling. Bradley was the best Pride by far.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No you couldn't, that's not how homunculus are born.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Homunculus were made differently in both

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      There are plenty of reason why I don't care for 03 but honestly one of the biggest is just how much cooler Brotherhood Bradley is.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        The divergence point between the manga and 03 anime is basically RIGHT when Bradley is revealed as a homunculus, so they had to write all of his motivations and characterization as a villain from scratch, and it doesn't take.

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    ISHVALLANON! IT SEEMS I WAS MISTAKEN!
    I THOUGHT THE SCIENCE OF SNEEDPOSTING WAS ABHORRENT IN THE EYES OF CIA, THE ONE YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE GREATEST OF MEMES!

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Absolutely kino.

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    scar did nothing wrong

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What the frick was his problem?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      no segs

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >implying he didn't frick around with a huge artificial wiener before separating Lust from himself

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ahh, so he was transcel, I mean he was genderless, basically non-binary.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Not a troony. In alchemy there is a concept called the Rebis, which is the part of the Great Work where opposites are merged, specifically male and female, as well as the sun and the moon and spirit and matter.
          So it was more like he was a hermaphrodite.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Not a troony. In alchemy there is a concept called the Rebis, which
            WHICH IS WHERE ALL THIS moronic TROON SHIT CAME FROM IN THE FIRST PLACE. HELLO.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Was told to go outside, touch grass and be himself but when he did it everyone screamed "no! not like that!"

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      He did nothing wrong. Poor fella just wanted to be free, and realized that flesh was yet another flask

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Basado

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Woah, deep.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      nothing, thats why kimblee was based

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kimblee going face in the end felt strange ngl

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Kimblee was based in Brotherhood. Pride tried to be a b***h, but Kimblee wouldn't let him.

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick Cinemaphile. Like half of the threads there are just BOOBA bait. At least on Cinemaphile that shit is mostly relegated to the webm threads.

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not a debate at all.
    Autismal spergs like Brotherhood, while FMA is the one with actual soul. Not debatable.
    The people who enjoy Brotherhood are the same who praise Hunter X Hunter into the skies, and unironically believe it's a deliberate "deconstruction" of genres.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      other way around, friendling

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >03 cuck also filtered by hxh kino
      Many such cases.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 gays can kill themselves.
    Shittiest taste imaginable

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    There really is no debate.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >three different Gintama entries
      >LOGH isn't in the top 3 anymore
      MAL is officially dead

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >seething LOGH cuck thinks anyone gives a frick about his dumbass homosexual show that's only good for meme reaction images

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Let me guess, you're an AoT fan.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            nope
            that's the classic autistic weeb cope though
            >W-well I bet you like THIS show! Don't you feel stupid for liking this thing that I don't like? Do you have any idea how upset I am that you like that show?!?
            lmao you literally cannot perceive things outside of the lens of anime

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >t. shonenbaby

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            let me redirect you to the post I already made >189157833

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ENDLESS TRASH

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >mfw I see that list

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bleach

  17. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 with no doubt
    >edge blah blah blah
    your mum

  18. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is this on Cinemaphile?

    I mean like I get maybe you don't like Cinemaphile but this shit is always going on this fricking board and I don't get it.

    You don't want to talk about anime? Then fricking don't, otherwise there's fricking Cinemaphile. Want to talk about cartoons? That's what fricking Cinemaphile is for.

    I'm just so fricking exhausted with this shit.

    Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You don't want to talk about anime? Then fricking don't, otherwise there's fricking Cinemaphile
      Because Cinemaphile has tons of baggage and you can't talk about stuff that has already been discussed a million times at this point.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Cinemaphile had brag about they're the purest board for years and the fact they're one of the fastest dying board makes you a lot of thinks

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
      Because being animated doesn't stop them from being television or film you autistic wannabe janny moron.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why something that is on tv on a board about tv shows?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because frick tr/a/nnies that's why.
      Adults who are still interested in that are literally deranged.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I'm just so fricking exhausted with this shit.
      Then don't click on this thread?
      >Just fricking why? And also why the frick doesn't this get stopped?
      Imagine getting this upset over an anime thread on Cinemaphile, lmao

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Imagine getting this upset over an anime thread on Cinemaphile, lmao
        >an anime thread on Cinemaphile
        Uh oh, you're gonna make him post t h a t image.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like a horrible homosexual. I feel bad for people who have to deal with you.

  19. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I miss this lil homie like you wouldn’t believe

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Alphonse is one of my favorite characters in fiction.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        He might be your favourite but he's literally me, because I'm a younger brother who's taller and wider; Made the anime really relatable.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bro same.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Have you seen Supernatural? It's like the Western equivalent of FMA because it has the same dynamic of tough guy older brother and kind younger brother. Cinemaphile explained that it's because later children have higher estrogen or something.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              FMA was 100 concise chapters, supernatural is like 15 seasons meandering without course

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >kind younger brother
              He's only kind in the first season and then he slowly becomes a heartless c**t until he literally becomes the vessel of satan and then soulless.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Kind, selfless, courageous, and intelligent. Alphonse is all of these things and more when he has every right to be bitter at everything and everyone for what happened to him. He’s a beautiful soul and exactly what others should aspire to be.

  20. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I remember thinking 2003 was surprisingly mature for an anime when I watched it. Later I watched Brotherhood because people raved about it, but it seemed very childish in comparison and never finished it. Didn't Scar starts taking care of a little girl and they become like a comedic duo? I dropped it around then.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I never finished Brotherhood either and I finished the original. It didn't even feel the same. I ony gave it a chance because I loved the original anime and ended up watching like half.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and they become like a comedic duo?
      not at all, they rarely have moments together

  21. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      FMA is so kino and zoomers don't have shit, lol. We had the Nasuverse as well. I played those Visual Novels when Cinemaphile still knew what Tsukihime is.

  22. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    MC looks like a gay. Wonder if there are any dojins with him dressed up like a girl. He'd make a good trap

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think you're just gay

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        No

  23. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brotherhood, I don't understand how this is even a debate. It's objectively superior and gays just prefer 03 because they watched it first.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's objectively superior
      If you're a kid maybe.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You gays really need to stick to Naruto if 03 is too brainy for you.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not brainy, just gay.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          No brain and gay? Good to know.

          nothing in this series makes sense
          it was written by a woman

          The book/brotherhood was.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      i watched brotherhood first but i think 03 is better. and this is for me having 09 as top for years

  24. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    nothing in this series makes sense
    it was written by a woman

  25. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The '03 is more of a thriller with some action. Brotherhood is dbz

  26. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >FMA is now 20 years old
    AHHHHHH WHERE DID THE TIME GO

  27. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    In the late 90s and early 00s it was somewhat common for an ambitious director to take a shonen manga and try to elevate the material into something more adult and cinematic. It happened to Rurouni Kenshin, Hunter x Hunter, and FMA among others. Those were some good times for anime. Brotherhood came out later, when anime was already dumbed down, and it was just a somewhat entertaining but very shallow story of powerful kids fighting powerful bad guys.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >shallow

  28. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    no debate, the one with olivier wins

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Too old. She literally says she's passed the age where most women have two kids

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        so 23?

  29. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like both, but heres a point in favor of the 2003 anime

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, also

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh, also

      And let's not forget cute bookworm Ścieżka.

  30. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 had the hotter villain, I wish they introduced her a bit sooner

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought she was a much more compelling villain than Father. Not some super powerful villain out of a Final Fantasy game. Just a very ambitious human being who is so old and powerful that has a completely different perspective of the world. Hohenheim was also much better written in 2003. It was much more realistic.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is correct thematically as well. A core foundation of the critique of alchemy is the arrogance of man to desire immortality. With the Father, he was just a creature created in a jar. His actions say nothing about humanity, because he isn't human. At most its a cautionary tale about meddling in things you don't fully understand since he was created by humans. And FMA already does that with Ed and Al early on and the attempt to bring back Trisha. In '03 Hohenheim and Dante show the opposing dichotomy of a repentant alchemist as opposed to an alchemist still arrogantly desiring eternal life.

  31. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The most nostalgic OPs and EDs in the game. I'm getting old.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >OP2 coming back for the ending
      I still tear up a bit every time.

  32. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I liked 2003 Wrath but I hated that he and his mom died in the movie, they deserved a happy ending.
    The artstyle and animation of 2003 is also infinitely better than the garbage artstyle of brotherhood.

  33. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    whats the difference

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The stone is completely different. 03 is like a thriller and gets darker and darker as it goes on. It's very gloomy and melancholic. Brotherhood is closer to something like One Piece.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the stone
        I meant the tone. But the way they deal with the philosophical stone is also better in 03. Scar's arc was much better. In Brotherhood they whitewashed him too much. In 03 he has depth, but the show never forgets that he's a terrorist and there isn't a way back for him.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        this pretty much describes the difference. original was like you said, kino as frick and whoever disgrees that brotherhood is better has never truly watched 03 fully. i dont understand how you can watch both and say brotherhood is better except if you're an autist which is 90% of anime gays. they get hung up over the fact that its not manga accurate and other artistic details and they think thats somehow an argument. anime gays are the worst.

  34. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    did a revisit recently, both animes and manga simultaneously. 03 anime did have the stronger start, the music is just better and the first 2 "big" deaths felt more meaningful. but the sadder atmosphere starts insisting on itself at some point and it doesn't develop into anything particularly interesting. the deaths also feel more meaningless somehow after greed's. misery porn stuff
    people say fmab rushed the beginning but not really. they just didn't linger the way fma 03 did. the pacing was fine
    i feel like both are still necessary. or at least 03 until episode 25 where it truly branches off. fmab has the better material in the end... cooler developments, endgame, and even the music past a certain point.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >people say fmab rushed the beginning but not really. they just didn't linger the way fma 03 did. the pacing was fine
      Based take. Never really understood the early pacing criticism. I watched Brotherhood first knowing nothing about FMA and had no trouble understanding the characters, what they stood for/wanted and how they related to each other.

      If anything, I don't like early 03 because of stupid shit like the Barry the chopper episode

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and had no trouble understanding the characters, what they stood for/wanted and how they related to each other
        Because in Brotherhood the characters are paper thin and everything has a white and black morality. Hard to get confused.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >everything has a white and black morality
          No it doesn't.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            In both series Ed decides he's going to be GOOD and help everyone he can. In Brotherhood the plots awards him for it every time and in the end all is nice and well. In 03 instead Ed's reckless idealism leads him to help Kimblee, who first things he does after being freed is to kill a bunch of innocent people, and Ed has to accept that in life you can't just go around trying to do good. I feel that's the main difference between both shows. Brotherhood has a childish understanding of the world.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >In both series Ed decides he's going to be GOOD and help everyone he ca
              You aren't even correct right off the bat.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'll give you an specific example. In Brotherhood Ed saves Heinkel and Darius from dying despite being villains, and thanks to that they get reformed through the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP. Compare that bullshit to Ed saving Kimblee in 03. The difference in nuance between both shows is night and day.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >and thanks to that they get reformed through the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP
                Ed only saved them because he needed them to save himself, he literally puts this into words. They realized that they were expendable by the people who gave them orders, so they make the rational choice and go with Ed.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >They realized that
                >they make the rational choice
                Meanwhile in real life pic related is what happens when you help a criminal. They don't realize anything. They don't make rational choices. They are like Kimblee. If they get a chance to kill again they will take it. Brotherhood's idealism is dumb.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Meanwhile in real life pic related is what happens when you help a criminal.
                Hinkel and Darius are not criminals.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >criminals
                we know nothing about their pasts, for all we know they were soldiers who were experimented on like Jerso and Zampano.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fmab has the better material in the end
      This. The original just gets so fricking sad at the end. I was like there are no good people in this show? By the end Al is the only good person left, because even Ed has lost his idealism.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >fmab has the better material in the end

      the climax was dogshit

      >>wot if homuncules gets big, we destroy it and the show ends

      LOL

  35. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Banger. Don’t care how often it’s said.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imma let you finish but: https://youtu.be/ShEAiFqkY0E?feature=shared

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      overwhelmingly nostalgic

  36. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mango > 03 > Brotherhood

  37. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The first anime is great up until Reole, Brotherhood rushes through all of that and as a result Nina, Alexander and Hughes' deaths have very little impact.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Nina, Alexander and Hughes' deaths have very little impact.
      It assumes you watched the earlier series so it doesn't meander too much, but you're insane if you think Hughes death has little impact. His death is a relevant plot point until the last episode, and the turmoil of Nina lasts on the Elric brothers and is used a staple reason for Ed to find his humility in the climax.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Plot relevancy does not substitute for character development and audience attachment, Hughes is just a plot device in Brotherhood.

  38. 10 months ago
    Anonymous
  39. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love when a thread like this pops up, it gives me the chance to shill my arrangement of a FMAB track.
    https://voca.ro/1afAX3Nb40yF

  40. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's an unfair comparison since I haven't seen 2003 since it aired, but Brotherhood's ideas felt more well-developed and stuck with me a lot more. The story's core conceit is that misanthropy is for homosexuals and israelites, and I agree.

  41. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03fans reek of "it was my first anime". Brotherhood is one of the best shows of all time.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think you can say the same thing about fans of both series.

  42. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vioc Mignola is a pedophile.

    Which is why Cinemaphile likes him.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Vioc Mignola is a pedophile.
      >Which is why Cinemaphile likes him.
      We don't know who he is.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        anime dub VA who got cancelled by marzgurl a channel awesome hanger-on and perenniel attentionprostitute with a history of making shit up and being a nutcase. she submitted testimony """on behalf of underage fans""" that the guy made sexual advances towards them at a Con. There is no evidence this actually happened and the accusers themselves remain anonymous to this day.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dumb dub troony

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're almost as much of moron as him.

  43. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 has good animation everything else about it is garbage. Brotherhood is the definitive adaptation. This is inarguable.

  44. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brotherhood feels like such a stock, cliche anime it’s only real boon is that it’s a fairly tight one that won’t take ages to go through and doesn’t meander much.
    With the original I actually felt attached to the characters and world.

  45. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brotherhood, because it's more true to the teachings of irl alchemy and ends with based ego death.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >more true to the teachings of irl alchemy

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        You can seethe about it all you want, it is.

  46. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Loved 03, couldnt stand to watch brotherhood after watching 03. Brotherhoods art was worse, the pacing was faster, but not better. 03 has its faults, but I enjoyed it more

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe Brotherhood is better in story aspects and whatever. I can't get passed the art. It is painfully painfully of the late 2000s where all of a sudden japan decided rounding everything off and deleting shading so everything is completely flat was the 'in thing' to do. It looks distractingly bad to me.

  47. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's genuinely hilarious that people pretend that 03 is completely different when it's just a shittier version of the manga with tons of dogshit filler. People really do just defend whatever they watch first.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe I just don’t give a shit about the manga.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wow that has nothing to do with my post.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s not “filler” to me, I take it as it’s own story.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon it's objectively filler. You can't decide if it is or not lel.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              what even "is" filler, if it helps to set the tone of the show or develop character it isn't filler, frick most people agree that the episode of dbz where goku and piccolo learn to drive is great and it doesn't do either of those things

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Filler is shit not in the source material. Pretty simple. The piccolo learning to drive ep is filler and unbelievably overrated.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >piccolo
                All the filler stuff with Piccolo raising Gohan is the best part of DBZ.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >the best part
                Not even fricking close. But yeah its alright.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              It’s such a weebfried way of viewing things. When I watch an adaptation of a book I’m not autistically taking note of things changed for the adaptation

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Which is why all the adaptations you get are so shit.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Things get adapted because the source material is good. The whole point is to adapt it well. You people are so fricking moronic. It's how the term filler has always been used. If you want to use it differently then go ahead but it makes you look dumb.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >with tons of dogshit filler
      You're like the Black folk who defend Hunter x Hunter 2011 over 99 because it has faster pace. homie, it's the filler what makes it good.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        11 is better if only because it has the CA arc. Also all the filler in 99 is awful. 99 is good in spite of all the filler not because of it.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Right literally is better though. Left is try hard and is not conveying the right emotions. It makes Illumi too sinister. Right gets it right because Killua is scared shitless, but for Illumi it's nothing.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Don't even bother. People who post these cherrypicked ass comparisons are beyond help.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        '11 is better because they're both pretty much the same and it has more of the story

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >they're both pretty much the same
          In content yes, but they are very different in style. 2011 looks better.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Haven't seen HxH but right looks cooler though? The colors are much brighter and vibrant and the resolution is much higher.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's a matter of preference.
          Personally I find the older animation style more charming and generally I prefer it, but in the case of HxH the one on the right fits the tone of the series much better.

  48. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 is much more emotionally driven and has a better story, yet people dismiss it due to "being like a fanfic"(meaningless criticism)

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >bro I love filler the studios made up on the spot when they ran out of content!!!!

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        They knew they were writing an original ending from the beginning, it’s why original characters like Lyra and Sloth show up early on.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >emotionally driven
      It's overly bleak emo depth for 14 year olds. I liked it just fine when I was 14, but Brotherhood is about maturing into optimism and self-actualization despite the world's darkness. It's a much more mature and complex ethos than 2003's.

  49. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is the point of these threads? Brotherhood fans are too dismissive and 03 fans tout fake intellectual superiority. Just constant shit flinging all over the place. How about some detailed discussion about what you like/dislike about aspects of both shows?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      these threads are just for shitposting. everything was discussed fully over 10 years ago by this point. there's a 6 hour long peak autism youtube video comparing and contrasting every ballsack hair of 2003 and Brotherhood.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its fine for people to like both shows generally, but I dislike it when people refuse to take a stance on which they think is better.

      But ok, one reason 03 is better is that the themes of that show are generally more grounded and relatable than those of brotherhood, which tend to be more childish. In both shows the major characters struggle with adversity in the face of their goals and beliefs, but its only in 03 that the characters sometimes have to compromise 𝘢nd ch𝘢nge those beliefs in the face of adversity.

      A good example is Eds pacifism. Brotherhood loved to suck Eds dick about his conviction to never kill anybody. And despite constantly getting into fights to the death with immortal monsters backed by the power of the state, he doesn't and ...... everything turns out fine. In 03 his pacifism is presented an aspect of his youthful naivete. Greed picks up on this and warns Ed that he needs to wise up; if actually wants to stop the homunculi and the military and survive, he has to be ready to kill. Ed does end up killing Greed, and as a result he matures and changes as a character. Because of this he is able to destroy Sloth later because he goes into it knowing he has to kill her.

      This is what I mean when I say Brotherhood is childish; Ed is a fricking kid, of course he doesn't have an unshakable moral core, there's a lot he doesn't know shit about. Ed in 03 is constantly having his beliefs and perceptions challenged, and sometimes he changes as a result. His perceptions of the homunculi and their humanity, the adults like Mustang and what they did in the war, equivalent exchange ect. are constantly in flux and it is what makes him an interesting and dynamic character, as opposed to a borderline Mary Sue like he is in Brotherhood.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree. 03 FMA is better written overall.

  50. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    all I remember is always getting to the Chimera dog arc and I have to quit the series because its so fricking brutal

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Fetch, Nina.

  51. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 is better. Better colors and shading, and more of a cinematic feel than a stereotypical battle shonen anime. One is a 00s anime and one is a 10s anime. Might just prefer it because I watched it first though.

  52. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Brotherhood has bad animation
    I'll grant you that overall, 03 has more detailed animation. But tons Brotherhood moments have better animation than 03, which is where it really counts. The big, flashy set pieces are really well done in Brotherhood.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's not just a matter of fluidity. 03 is much more cinematic when it comes to camera angles, gamma and editing.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >It's not just a matter of fluidity
        No, but it's 90% of it.

  53. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Godfather: better than the book.
    The Shining: better than the book
    Jaws: better than the book
    FMA 03: better than the book.
    crying about lack of faithfulness is a dumb way to approach criticism. 03 is it’s own thing and there’s a reason for people to prefer it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and there’s a reason for people to prefer it.
      Yeah they watched it when they were a kid. It's such a fricking joke to compare it to a few of the only examples ever in recorded history where an adaptation surpassed the source material. 03 ain't one of them.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >there’s a reason for people to prefer it.
      Because it was their first anime.

  54. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like both, brotherhood might be a more tight and complete story but I like the tone of 03 better and the homunculi were much more interesting and developed there

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I like both, brotherhood might be a more tight and complete story but I like the tone of 03 better and the homunculi were much more interesting and developed there
      Agreed on both counts, 03 did the homunculi the best and 08 was closer to the story

  55. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, yes, well done, Brotherhood, well done.
    HOWEVER…

    ?si=xbBMmX3V6bKCu7w-

  56. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    FMA aside from the dumbass parallel ending things was like the fighting felt like it was a fight to the death not a naruto fight scene and the homunculi were a very real threat instead of being half goofy half serious. Honestly the og would have been a lot better if they let them finish it properly but ultimately what is better depends if you prefer a decent adventure shonen type anime or a gritty tragedy

  57. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The animation and pacing for the Leto/Priest episodes in 2003 is night and day. That's the one that got me into Anime in the first place. Though it likely wasn't the best thing to watch when I was 4 years old. Oh well, 19 years later I'm happy I saw that scene. Gave me a real appreciation for that kind of stuff.

    I'm really sad that the Brotherhood story wasn't told with the 03 animation. I like it a lot better over all though the 03 had better filler episodes.

  58. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The lack of outlines on his hair in Brotherhood always irked me

  59. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like Brotherhood more because I like happy endings. Simple as.

  60. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Original had the better story/execution

    Brotherhood had the significantly better ending

  61. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just got finished watching Brotherhood. It's got terrible pacing and bored me shitless. Far too forced for the message it's trying to get across and characters like Wrath and Pride were legitimately unbeatable except by plot. Ed is a forgettable protagonist. Easily one of the worst anime I've ever watched and I'm convinced it is baby's first anime.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Easily one of the worst anime I've ever watched
      How many have you seen? 3?

  62. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are the differences between the two? I haven't seen either. All I know is, apparently the original goes in a different direction from the manga and has a different ending. That's pretty much all I know.

  63. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    do people actually think Brotherhood is inferior to 03? this is bizarre I thought 03 was a forgotten anime and Brotherhood is regarded as one of the best animes of all time? am I crazy? is this 03 love some kind of weird niche thing from Cinemaphile weird anime people?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did you watch 03 first? If so then you expected Brotherhood to try and ape its predecessor. Instead we got wacky Chinese characters and bizarrely bad jokes undercutting every serious scene. If they showed the tiniest bit of restraint, Brotherhood could've been the clear superior product but instead it feels horrifically unbalanced.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah I watched 03 first the story was pretty creepy which was what I liked about it but at the end of the day it's just another mediocre anime with an overall plot made up on the spot, it's only relevant due to its association with Brotherhood, one of the most popular non long running animes

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >best animes of all time
      brotherhood ain't up there... if we're talking best ever series it's stuff like dbz/dragonball/inuyasha/cowboy bebop
      >I thought 03 was a forgotten anime
      it's run got a ton more eyeballs on adult swim everyone loved this stupid ad

      What are the differences between the two? I haven't seen either. All I know is, apparently the original goes in a different direction from the manga and has a different ending. That's pretty much all I know.

      both are melodramatic and long... brotherhood is even longer and more melodramatic. believe they also try to keep hughes around longer as fan-service in reaction to people loving him

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >best ever
        Dbz inuyasha
        You can't be serious. Fma is definitely better than both of those. By like a mile.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Loud minority. Contrarians tend to be that way.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      03 is tied to early Cinemaphile culture. It's an "anime website" that was largely used by kids who could only watch Adult Swim anime.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      This completely baffles me too. It's probably because I read the manga before watching the anime, meaning that 03 just seems like an offensively stupid and rushed cashgrab. I'm guessing the people who defend 03 are those that watched it when it came out, when they were 12 and everything seemed awesome.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        I watched brotherhood at 14 and FMA at 19. I feel FMA is better.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I never bothered to watch more than a few episodes of 03 so I can't tell. I dropped it as soon as I noticed nonsensical stuff was added to the story, like the general with the weapons alchemy, which felt completely out of touch with the universe.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            As an anime fan, you should've researched on how they are different. A quick google search will tell you that these two series are completely different versions. I thought Brotherhood was season 2 before I started lol

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I know the most important difference, and the only one I really need to know: Brotherhood faithfully follows the source material, while 03 was rushed through with a studio-written ending. How it could even be a debate is beyond me.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >OMG. IT DOESN'T FOLLOW SOURCE MATERIAL SO IT MUST SUCK

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Someone should tell him that the source material can often suck. Children of Men book is shlock compared to the movie.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                The FMA manga is great, though.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Jej, sure.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It's probably the most universally acclaimed seinen manga there is. If you're not into that genre, that's fine, but then why are you even in this thread?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >It's probably the most universally acclaimed seinen manga there is
                It's shonen.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                3D women are not consistent with their logic

                Even as a 14 yo the ending of Brotherhood made zero sense to me.
                >hur dur equivalent exchange
                >completely shits on the very thing it built

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Clearly Ed's alchemy diploma worth a soul and a body. He probably even overpayed

  64. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 was the best of the two, the problem was that it ended before the end of the manga, 08 (brotherhood) is more complete but it doesn’t hit the same as 03 did even though it was the more accurate. There should be a mix of both of them as they both had some really great ideas and both had some not so great ideas.

  65. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Neither was great, but Brotherhood was much worse
    >incredibly shitty over the top comedy
    >follows muh manga, but it's worse in some ways

  66. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The entire series is about two brothers who happened to be white-skinned, blue-eyed, blonde-haired Aryans AKA the MASTER RACE representatives, who are traveling through Europe and creating new inventions in order to help people from inferior races with darker skin complexions
    Good to know that Hiromu Arakawa and all Japs at Studio Bones were extremely red pilled back in the 2000s

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their homeland is literally germany if it had alchemy as they live in the alchemy world

  67. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are the chances of 03gays being the same DBSpics obsessed with edgeshit transformations and seethed at Luffy's Gear 5 being toonshit?

  68. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    you have an entire board for this

  69. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I like both, FMA in the early episodes is superior while slowly getting worse until like 10-15 episodes from the end there is a massive writing quality drop. While FMAB felt rushed in the beginning and gradually got better where the last 10-15 episodes are fantastic.

  70. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    ?si=rBMJyx19xsNQoTXc

  71. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >full
    >metal
    >alchemist
    even the name just has that magic

  72. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why do nips make anime out of unfinished manga?
    Because of this there are 2 FMA's and 2 Hunter x Hunter's. There will likely need to be a 3rd Hunter x Hunter if Togashi survives long enough to finish it.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      At this point there needs to be some sort of requirement that to get a show, your story needs to be AT LEAST 60% finished and published.

  73. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brotherhood is unironically the greatest shonen series of all time. 2003 comes a close second

  74. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    fma had better openings

  75. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even as someone who likes happy endings the ending of Brotherhood is too saccharine and if you pay the slightest bit of attention you can notice a lot of moronic writers' copium where they do shit like write Marco out of the conflict because oops I gave him a philosopher's stone I guess him and the lion man don't matter any more

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >saccharine

  76. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where do I start with FMA?
    Never watched a second of these series

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      read the manga

  77. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Left is for kids
    Right is for adults

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      both of those are for kids

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        care to explain why that's mature other than blood?

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          adult characters

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Roy Mustang , Scar and Bradley are adults

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              none of which are main characters

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              To me, those are the only ones that matter in the show. Along with Hohenheim in '09

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >cartoon
        >for adults

        Please. Anime its for kids, the same go for games.
        Stop this ooh is so mature shit.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >my thing is better than your thing
        youre part of the problem, homosexual

  78. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brotherhood is superior in almost every way.

    That being said however, the '03 version of FMA still holds a special place in my heart. How it used the elements that had been laid down to create an entirely different world which focused on the horror elements of alchemy/the world, more than spectacle was interesting.

    Likewise, I honestly do think that the Homunculi in '03 were much better characters for the most part and I honestly prefer the origins of them being a collection of failed attempts at human transmutations to them being aspects of the main antagonist.

    That being said, the biggest issue is that the majority of the cast aside from the Homunculi, Ed, Al and Dante weren't really given a lot of focus, and as much as I enjoy the 03 Homunculi, the human characters are more interesting.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Likewise, I honestly do think that the Homunculi in '03 were much better characters for the most part and I honestly prefer the origins of them being a collection of failed attempts at human transmutations to them being aspects of the main antagonist.
      Agreed. But their motivations/reason for serving the antagonist dont all make sense. pride, sloth and explicitly envy dont even seem to care about becoming human

  79. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >’03 was a better character piece about self discovery while brotherhood had the overall, better overarching plot with a more cohesive storyline
    >Homunculus varied; Lust and Sloth was far better in ‘03, Wrath in ‘03 and Pride in brotherhood were both good. Both Envy stories were interesting too. For Wrath in brotherhood it was cool to see more of his homunculus storyline develop. Greed and Greed-Ling were cool.
    >’03 music was better overall but brotherhood had some banger openings.
    >’03 art looked better
    >’03 hit the emotional scenes harder
    >both movies blew

    Overall Brotherhood was better.

  80. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    03 = DC
    B = Marvel

  81. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    3D women are not consistent with their logic

  82. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm about to watch FMA 2003 and I'll let u know

  83. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile Evangelion's source material is anime itself

  84. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brotherhood and manga threw it's early themes into trash to make space for le epic fighterinos and happy ending.
    03 stuck with them to the end.

  85. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Holy shit a thread about FMA where we got not one but TWO solid series from the same source material and there are a thousand (you)s b***hing about it. I prefer FMAB but they are both cool and I'd wager 99% of the people in their have their preference determined by whichever series they saw first.

  86. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Conqueror of Shamballa ending is fricking nonsensical and ruins any chances for FMA 2003. Brotherhood mogs.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      QRD? I'm almost 80% through the 03 show.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        if you're that far in just watch it. the ending is so fricking bad.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      I never watched conqueror of shamballa, I felt the ending of the original show was good enough

  87. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Here's an idea. Why not watch 03 until around ep. 20 or so, and then switch to FMAB when they enter the 5th laboratory. The only issue I can think of is that a few scenes like pic related would be repeated.

  88. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just liked that homonculis have more personality in 03. When Mustang was burning Lust in Brotherhood, I felt disappointed that Lust was just a regular boss fight. And I really liked the entirety of 03 sloth and her relationship with Ed and Al. I was disappointed that except for Wrath and Greed, Homonculli were just glorified henchmen.

  89. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Brotherhood's ending is more moronic than the original imo. And there's no "If you kill a literal serial killer than you're just as bad as him!" bullshit

  90. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fullmetal Alchemist is widely regarded as one of the greatest anime of all time.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, but which one?

  91. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    FMAbros.... we're almost to the #1 spot on Cinemaphile

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