Why nowdays high-fantasy is so ugly?
Look the armors, the aesthetics, the dresses, etc. now all is ugly, all is hyper-showy.
What happened with the beauty in the simplicity and utility?
I unironically believe that things like WoW and asian WoW-likes do this to shit on European culture and history.
I think the wow exaggerated style started from the warcraft fps games of the nineties, where the units had to have exaggerated silhouettes to be recognisable from above. Wow apparently also chose a very exaggerated style to be visually distinct. Others have then aped this aesthetic instead of drawing from real historical sources.
I get the explanation of isometric games, but when you have first/third games like WoW nowdays is ridiculous. And I can show you that the hostility to European history and mythos is real, 'how?' you may ask, well just see the evolution the artwork.
What part of European history and myth is is the image here depicting?
Warcraft's orc is a ripoff of Warhammer's one and Warhammer's one is a ripoff of Tolkien's. Tolkien used European mythology to created the lore of his stories (according to Frederick Kaleber 'orc' could mean demon-corpse or zombie).
>mobile game
Is infecting PC/console gaming
>cash Chinese people
In a globalised world, if one thing works for a corporation, they would try to force it in all the world.
Also, pandaren are cool since WoW devs actually respected Chinese culture and "cartoonish Wuxia stereotype" was created by Asian themselves, not by Europeans to mock Asians, so is not a problem.
>console gaming
this is not a thing
console babbies need to get the fuck off the internet and fast
>what about using controllers for fighting games and the such like?
>anon no longer dishonors himself by using controllers
>you mean...
>he plays emulators with the keyboard
Picture on the right is marketing some mobile or free to play cash cow to children and Chinese people. Left was probably designed by genuine nerds who were just doing what they thought was cool. Doesn’t Warcraft also have a fantasy Panda race who are cartoonish Wuxia stereotype?
the one in the right is a spin off from warcraft tho, so this comparison is kinda disingenuous
Anon is not the first time that a spin-off infected the main thing.
you are retarded lmao, it didn't, sure wow has for fun skins, but the rule of cool and big still prevails
WoW was always more bombastic and unrealistic
no it isn't
the image is highlighting the contrast of art styles not what it's depicting
>warcraft fps games of the nineties
jesus fucking christ you absolute fucking retard
I swear to god one of these days
Yeah I'm a retard, should've written rts.
good, apology accepted
They just have bad taste, plus stuff like that is eye catching on ads and for mobas and other pulled out 3rd person or isometric games it gives characters a distinct silouhette. If they were doing it out of hostility to European history they’d make them all black like the Magic Lotr card game
>I unironically believe that things like WoW and asian WoW-likes do this to shit on European culture and history.
Nope. This anon is right:
They make shit flashy because they think it's cool. White people think pic related is cool, because it keeps you alive.
You should probably stop playing garbage like WoW if you want better looking armour and play something like Baldur's Gate 3.
I don't play WoW my friend, but is really sad to see how that Warhammer-ripoff has infected the Fantasy genre, but at least in Warhammer the disproportionate armors make sense and also there are other more realistic ones.
But in WoW-like stuff is just pure anti-European. Look pic of my previous post
You aren't my friend if you don't play video games, because I do. I took a picture of my BG3 party and you can see the armours look nice in games made by white people.
>fag male elf with retarded armor
>chink female elf
>brown ginger human on the right that maybe is a male, maybe is a female
>brown ginger human with retarded armor
Yeah, sure, 1000% non-garden gnome pro-European mythos game.
You sound like someone who just enjoys complaining. You can complain after I've filtered the thread. I hope whoever the fuck you people are keep making threads because I've been filtering them for years and I'm more stubborn than all of you combined. Please doubt it.
>seeing asians where there aren't any
rent free
Sure dude, sure...
imagine passing over Karlach, big yikes
These armours look like shit
Witcher 3 went a little overboard with some of the gear. Like that one looks a little too form fitting and flawless. Witcher 2 had some of the coolest gear I've ever seen, though, and the gear in 3 that copied that design philosophy (Wolven Gear) or was just a straight-up copy of it (the other witchers' armors) looks fantastic.
Plastic.
True. Merry always looked cooler than Pippin.
based TW2 enjoyer
the jackets there were perfect, gerry would never wear an actual armor
Why TW2 is better than TW3 for many people? What fail in TW3?
I have to wonder how effective that would be as armor. My guess is not very, that chain looks very sparse and I don't think a leather sheet would bunch up and absorb the shock like cloth would, my guess is you'd actually make it weaker embedding it to leather "plates" like that.
If you treat the leather it can be fine, but it's probably way too much for work for how much protection it offers.
>White people think pic related is cool, because it keeps you alive.
>Over designed gamer trash
No, you think it looks cool because you're a low IQ gamer. Get some fucking taste
Rings of Power brought down the showiness, you should watch it.
>Guyladriel pic
No anon, I'm not gonna watch that anti-Tolkien shitshow.
But it has exactly what you're begging for.
>a single piece of women's armour completely mogs anything Jackson managed to shit out over the course of 6 movies
Redditbros....
I like that armor, but she’s a rotten fish.
Well she is half sea elf after all
I really can't wait to Hollywood being burn to the ground.
That shit is hideous. Molded plastic shit. Not a rolled edge or fine polish in sight.
>Not a rolled edge or fine polish in sight.
There's none of that in OP's gondor armor either
If you don't know what a rolled edge is then don't bother trying to argue about it. Also, the shine of the metal is obviously buffed and shined. It's not a mirror sheen, but that's a whole other level of polish so I would't expect it on a set being worn and used.
>i wouldn't expect good work
No shit
Bare steel tarnishes in hours depending on the weather, retard. A mirror sheen wouldn't last more than a day on the move.
>Bare steel tarnishes in hours depending on the weather, retard.
Maybe shitty jap steel, NOT European
Carbon content in iron makes it rust faster. So yes, all steel. Why do you think we shove in a bunch of chromium to make stainless steel even though it's got zero ductility?
why don't you tell me, birdbrain?
You settled for less and got less, grats.
Wtf are you talking about??
The armor, obviously.
Because steel begins to rust immediately. Armor needs to be buffed to prevent rusting but it's a very short-lived protection. The kneejerk criticisms that it's somehow bad because it's not in pristine mirror sheen condition are dumb and didn't understand what I was saying about Pippin's armor's polish.
Main story, alchemy, and gear. W2 has one of the tightest political intrigues in gaming, it's got a decent approximation of the books' alchemy, and the items you get feel worthwhile and appropriate. In 3 the main quest is all kinds of dumb, the alchemy system is ridiculously streamlined, and all of your equipment becomes useless because of the level scaling. In W3 when you're rewarded with a legendary family heirloom or a master smith promises to make you the best weapon he's ever made it'll just turn out to be a generic weapon. In W2, the progression of "podunk backwater" to "edge of battlefield between two armies" to "meeting of all the greatest powers of the north" creates a progression where the things you acquire improve at a reasonable rate. The longsword forged by a backwoods blacksmith is obviously going to be a piece of crap compared to the creations of a sorcererous smith from Ban Ard.
That's not to say W2 is strictly speaking better than W3. It's a hot mess of a game in all kinds of weird ways, too.
>The armor, obviously.
Why the green lines??
I pointed out the lack of rolled edges in the Rings of Power armor, to which someone said that the Gondorian armor in the OP didn't have it either, so I pointed out the visibly rolled edges on the armor.
https://www.allenantiques.com/EdgeDetails.html
Oh thanks, anon.
she's going to decapitate herself on those edges
also why can't elves get a mirror finish on the armor? it looks like aluminum
Does painted cardboard provide good protection?
>I'm going to save the world wearing sheet metal armor
My HVAC ducts are thicker than her battle plate armor.
>I'm going to protect the Empire wearing sheet plastic "armor"
>I'm going to overthrow the tyrannical empire and restablish the (Space Weimar) Republic wearing nothing more than a bicycle helmet and jeans
Many such cases.
It's obviously not combat armour you plebs
I like how Amazon made Middle Earth elves look the same as the patrons at a random pub at 5 pm. in Doncaster, England. But in silly $10 dresses off ali express.
You don't need to clarify that Donny is in England you dumb fucking burgermutt
>durr its ceremonial armour
wouldnt that mean it looks better than paper plates with silver spray paint you dumb gay
It's just simple visual storytelling.
Her battle armour looks great, it's when she's leading and being super being grilboss.
The brief moment she agrees to be obedient, she wears the unremarkable looking 'Go home' armour before ripping it off and going to find herself another piece of cool looking armour in which she can grilboss again.
They do the same things with dresses too, when she's obedient they shift her from her nice dress to rags. The moment she starts being all rebellious in Numenor she finds herself a nice dress again.
ohhh its supposed to look like shit
How did she get her armor when she jumped off a ship? FedEx? Amazon delivery?
It's supposed to represent how unglamourous and joyless the war is while also designed to be restrictive with high unarticulated neck etc. which is later ceremonialy removed by an attendant which symbolizes the soldier being freed from the shackles of duty.
Ceremonial armors have to be one of the most retarded concepts I ever see.
HahAAAAAAAHAHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ARMOR
I WAS TOLD AMAZON SPENT A BILLION DOLLARS PER EPISODE WHAT THE FUCK
Stop the rape of the history and cultures of the European Peoples!!!
Leave our heritage alone!
>OP wants more of this
The retard has appear.
especially he likes of you should easily recognize the ball sack texture and penis helmets
im still amazed that this was greenlit. literally what the fuck were they thinking
Meh. Excalibur armors and the atmosphere shits all over LotR.
The mass-produced Gondorian armor suits were the worst costumes in LOTR. Clean, bland, perfectly uniform, they look like medieval stormtroopers. Now the Rohirrim, they had style.
>high fantasy world, aka has magic
>use magic to create armors and weapons
>magic is high tech, Arthr C. Clarke
>aka, high fantasy is just scifi with medieval fashion, dragons and elves
>somehow they can't produce nice and proper armors in a rich white human country because "MeDiEvAl AgEs WeRe Le BaD dArK aGeS" (according to garden gnome historians)
they can't produce nice and proper armors in a rich white human country because "MeDiEvAl AgEs WeRe Le BaD dArK aGeS" (according to garden gnome historians)
no, moron
the issue isnot the quality of the armor
it's the mass produced look
like they came off an assembly line
that is not sovl and thus not based
>mass produced
>soulness
NoHHH mUhhh DiVerSiTY of ArMURsss!!!!
K(eep)Y(ourself)S(afe) chink-fagger.
you might not like it, but that's the way it is
>real medieval
you can see it's really really medieval because its blue
this motherfucker is a based knower
i always felt gondorian soldiers looked stupid
I hate uniformed medieval soldiers. Medieval armies would not have mass produced identical armor, its ridiculous. Private armies paid for by rich monarchs like the black army would have it sure but they were the exception.
>Medieval armies would not have mass produced identical armor
checks google
>Munition armour (also "munitions-grade armour", "munition quality armour") was mass-produced armour
rekt
Exception not rule
>if you discount the mass-produced armor, they never mass produced armor!
I know its difficult for you to accept this lol. But mass produced armor was not the norm. Are you going to be ok?
don't sprain yourself shifting that goalpost, slick
I didnt shift anything. I gave an example of a standing army with uniform in my original post, i never meant that it never existed. You are being obtuse.
It’s not medieval thoughever
Cartoonish medieval stereotypes were also created by Europeans, there’s no mockery intended.
> Is infecting PC/console gaming
Missing the point
> In a globalised world, if one thing works for a corporation, they would try to force it in all the world.
Also missing the point
>Cartoonish medieval stereotypes were also created by Europeans
garden gnomes aren't Europeans, they're semites.
And there is no "missing the point", it's doesn't matter the right part of the pic is for an Asian mobile game, if that aberration triumphs corporation will force it on everything they own, is not the first time that happens and if you don't see the pattern after all this years and all this franchises dying because that, dude you are retarded asf.
>they're semites
actually the sneaky ones are quasi-slavs
Fair enough.
>GW
>anti-Thacher company 'cuz capitalism bad (2023, Warhammer is for everyone unless you're poor, oh the irony)
>Warhammer being a 80s punk-rock critic against British society and its values
>Tolkien being the best example of a British gentleman, so we gonna subvert his work 'cuz we wuz punks
>no more Thatcher, no more capitalism is le bad, no more anti-Tolkienism, we want make Warhammer more serious
>2023, Warhammer has a SJW problem because now is "to serious and less punk anti-right wing", GW is scared because doesn't want to lose its consoomers but doesn't want to look pro-right wing
""Oh no, why nobody see this coming?!""
if you go back to 1st, 2nd and 3rd edition warhammer fantasy is a pretty straight forward fantasy war game ruleset
it was in 4th edition that the punk influences started showing in fantasy imo. they were present in rogue trader a little before that.
are you an oldfag like me who remembers this shit?
Yep, I 'member when WF had laser weapons and punk hairstyles.
nice
stay beardy friendo
Thanks fren, stay cool too.
>doesn't want to lose its consoomers but doesn't want to look pro-right wing
>""Oh no, why nobody see this coming?!""
Bro, Warhammer has never been more popular
I didn't say the opposite, I said that GW is suffering by a dilemma created by themselves.
>anti-Thacher company 'cuz capitalism bad
Are you claiming they were communist or something?
>Warhammer being a 80s punk-rock critic against British society and its values
Because, as we all know, punk rock has zero right wing appeal.
>Tolkien being the best example of a British gentleman, so we gonna subvert his work 'cuz we wuz punks
Yeah?
>no more Thatcher, no more capitalism is le bad, no more anti-Tolkienism, we want make Warhammer more serious
I blame that more on the nineties as a whole.
>Warhammer has a SJW problem because now
I fucking wish. It has a far right problem instead.
being the best example of a British gentleman, so we gonna subvert his work 'cuz we wuz punks
>Yeah?
I don't understand how that anon can be so fucking retarded to think that the nerds from GW intentionally created WFB just go shit on Tolkien, it's so fucking stupid.
I mean, the very idea they intentionally created WFB is dumb in general if you actually look at it's history. It literally started out as D&D nerds realizing "We sure have a lot of models lying around".
>Yeah?
Yeah. They confirmed it and explain it, they got the idea of creating Warhammer from playing D&D, BUT the mythos behind both, WFB and D&D, was the one created by Tolkien, they (GW) wanted to use Tolkien's mythos as a base for their punk-parody of Thatcher's England.
>They confirmed it and explain it
That is blatant post hoc cope
>Tolkien's mythos as a base for their punk-parody of Thatcher's England.
I know you are full of shit because that was Warhammer 40K, not fantasy. The latter came first and 40K was blatantly based on it.
Tell me you don't know nothing about the first editions of WFantasy without telling me you don't know nothing about the first editions of WFantasy.
OG Fatansy had laser weapons and other scifi stuff, then GW removed all that stuff to made the Old World as a "feudal world" in the same universe that 40k, but more closer to the Eye of Terror.
>Tell me you don't know nothing about the first editions of WFantasy without telling me you don't know nothing about the first editions of WFantasy.
I've read as far as the third edition. Which came out before 40K and was not at all punk.
NTA but I mentioned earlier in this thread that IMO the punk influences came about in 4th edition fantasy
they were pretty much present in 40k from the start, though rather mildly (RT)
RT was heavily influenced by 2000 AD, which includes among others Judge Dredd, which is a straight up parody in its inception
its kind of wild to see anons talking about this like it is ancient history, meanwhile i remember that shit first hand.
>garden gnomes aren't Europeans, they're semites.
Incorrect. But, even outside of that, Europeans mock themselves. Game Workshop did more lasting damage to people being able to take Tolkien or Orks seriously and they started out as a 100% British company;
>Europeans mock themselves. Game Workshop
Only the left-fags and the cuckservatives, the rest of us just want to enjoy our History and our Mythos.
>Only the left-fags and the cuckservatives,
Yes. 99% of the population.
That as well.
Warcraft and warhammer weren’t created by garden gnomes. Garish fantasy art isn’t the exclusive province of garden gnomes.
>And there is no "missing the point", it's doesn't matter the right part of the pic is for an Asian mobile game,
I know it doesn’t matter, that’s the point you’re missing. I said before it’s marketing for some cash cow for children and Chinese people. You can substitute Chinese for Indians or dumb whites or whatever group.
I know, WH and WC were created by punks/degenerates.
Ok, now I get your point.
Sad truth.
It was based on Byzantium more than actual medieval costumes. That's why it worked.
>Byzantium
>not actual medieval costume
Wtf?
I meant early Byzantium. It was around for a while.
People tend to assume Tolkien takes place in the middle ages when it's closer to very late antiquity.
At no point did Roman soldiers ever have a uniform appearance. Gondor is also WRE and not Byzantines.
retards like this doesnt realize that roman soldiers were responsible for bringing their own equipment
>b-b-but that would mean that you couldn't be promoted from the velites until you had plundered enough wealth to afford a sword and a shield
yes, that was the point
>b-b-b-b-bb-b-b-but that would mean they could by mismatched geaaaarrrr!!!!!!!!!
yes
Anon, that was only true before the Marius reforms. They were a milita army at first.
By the time of Byzantium they had a mostly professional army.
Professional =/= uniform. It was impossible to equip everyone with the same gear even when Rome was operating at peak performance. They had entire factories in Italy for mass producing gear and it still wasn't enough. Soldiers only got new shit if there was nothing avaliable to replace what was broken or lost. Chain shirts if properly maintained and patched could last centuries. Even then, it was often faster and easier to have a lot of gear produced locally. Eastern Rome was arguably even worse. This is not even bringing up how after a certain point soldiers had a lot more freedom of expression in what gear they wore and wealthier career soldiers would often improve upon the basic kit throughout their career. You also have instances where specialized gear is better suited for specific enemies. Soldiers fighting Dacians used different gear and styles of fighting to those facing Persians.
Incorrect
this anon is right and won the argument
this anon is wrong and lost the argument
>t was impossible to equip everyone with the same gear even when Rome was operating at peak performance.
I'm sure that has some truth to it, and I wouldn't be surprised if some soldiers did still buy their own equipment, but on average that was not supposed to happen.
sorry in
I meant the retards you replied to, you aren't a retard anon
Because they’re too incompetent to make an accurate set of armour, which doesn’t need excessive decoration because it looks great on its own. Game of thrones early seasons demonstrated this very well.
Since they know they’d fuck it up, they go with dumb shit like Witcher testicle armour, or later game of thrones Burger King helmets/woollen chain and pretend it’s a stylistic choice.
All of high fantasy has always been trash and there are no exceptions. Dark fantasy that sticks as close as possible to real life early medieval times(chain mail armor, maybe breast plates) is the best. Don't even try and fight me. You know i'm right.
You're right, but at least in the "light-fantasy" of Tolkien at least he tried to describe the beauty of things and (despite all his mistakes) Peter Jackson tried the same in his films.
>which doesn’t need excessive decoration because it looks great on its own.
THIS. JUST THIS.
IMO Tolkien is still very much dark fantasy. There are like 5 or 6 characters in that whole universe who can even cast some magic and they are basically demi gods. Nobody is throwing balls of fire and lightning around or levitating off a tower like in Forgotten Realms. That's just how i like it.
I said it was "light-fantasy", because the Good wins in the end and even before the "Final Battle" there are nice places.
Usually in dark-fantasy all places are shitholes, no matter in what part of the world you're, and there is no "Final Battle" just an (quasi)eternal grey-darkness.
Gondor armor is the worst example you could've used, you know how you have trash fantasy armor when real medieval plate absolutely mogs it.
Tell me you don't know nothing about European medieval times without telling you don't know nothing about European medieval times.
And the few cliches/stereotypes you know are from Hollywood.
>proves my point
kek based own-goaler
??
So Gondorian armor would something between IRL 1330-1400, nice.
>running out of bad arguments
i dont need any new arguments since you did not refute the old ones
all you did was pretend you were me by talking like a retard
not an argument
New costume designers are mediocre and are incapable of grounding the fantasy setting, by researching the historical garments and armour, and their practical uses.
I think picrel is a good example of a believable set of armour in a fantastical world.
THIS.
I swear people that don't see beauty in minimalism and simple things are just low-IQtards that need glowing showy things every 5 seconds so their zombie brains can do the synapse to not shit themselves.
High fantasy + realistic armor is the best. Yes they did even paint and decorate their armor in the medieval ages. Obviously they wouldn't put giant horns with big metal bearings for them on their helmet like Skyrim. Magic is just cool and diversifies the classes.
Nice to see that I'm not alone in this. 80/90s shoulder pads (The Golden Girls were the only ones that fit with it) alongside with 60s-80s glasses were true crimes against European aesthetics.
If we're talking armour design I liked how the costumes in Troy reflected the factions involved
>Trojans wear elegant and elaborate armour with big shields, emphasizing their defensive role
>Greek armour is big and bold, with wide shoulders, making them look strong and aggressive
>myrmidons wear sleek black armour, marking them out to be elite units
I honestly belive that the Lord of the rings films themselves were way too flashy with not enough thought themselves, they just started a trend that got worse and worse with time.
Can you elaborate it? How it got worse?
LOTR armor was designed by John Howe, I believe, which would explain why it is so practical looking yet also beautiful and iconic.
Then Jon Howe should be in charge of all high-fantasy and scifi costumes, because seeing the aesthetics taste of both genres since the 60s, they need someone with common/practical sense leading and creating it.
There is an anti-euro centrist movement or sentiment right now in media. They`ve purposely decided to avoid designs and color pallets inspired on Medieval europe architecture and iconography because they believe using other cultures as reference gives the shows and movies a more unique and memorable look. Not to mention that in theory it should be a better fit to the more heterogeneous ensembles.
Revamping old artistic movements and iconography it`s been done several times throughout history, and i guess it could make sense, on a globalized world, to look beyond Europe. The problem however is that there is no unifying criteria to build some sort of hierarchy in contemporary society and this reflects on a kit bashed style of artistic production.
For me is simple, the high caste in this global hierarchy, real or fictional, must be European or European-based.
>For me is simple, the high caste in this global hierarchy, real or fictional, must be European or European-based.
You are mental and I cannot wait until China takes over and kills all of you. Ten thousand years of slavery for all of your descendants will be sufficient penalty.
One word pal: Adolf Hitler
Armor looks better on the left
Stfu low-IQretard.
Unironically “too much tv”.
It’s a simple concept once you think in these terms but when you look at illustrations of fantasy from pre-film it draws inspiration only from the present day aesthetic, historical depictions, or the illustrator’s imagination. And it’s wild and unexpected. No two people can draw anything quite the same way because they have such a terrifically different pool of mental images to draw inspiration from.
Once film and photographs became more present we saw a leap in imagination but over time a universal standard of what things “should” look like.
A space station has a distinct “concept” that if you ask anybody to draw it will most likely resemble that. We got around this for a few decades by hiring artists that either illustrated in the abstract then based their concepts on that or experimented heavily with hallucinogens and took inspiration from that to stay original.
But now we have generations of working artists who simply consume media for 8 hours a day and, being that they work in the fantasy art field, it’s safe to assume they aren’t particularly interested in modern military armor, historical armor, flora or fauna aesthetics, or even modern fashion to pull inspiration from. Just years and years of other people’s ideas to mimic. And every time somebody mimics an aesthetic in such a way it becomes more stale and generic than before
you said it pal.
Yep.
High fantasy? Lotr?
>now all is ugly, all is hyper-showy.
huh? modern fantasy shows are always drab and gray