The MCU will only recover if they can find two heroes to replace Iron Man and Captain America and cast the right actors. Who could those heroes and actors be?
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Dr. Stange and Shang Chi.
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Strange yes, Shangchi no. The guy has no fricking charisma. They should have spent a quarter million de-aging Tony Leung and made him Shangchi instead.
They won't make strange the center of the mcu because he's already been in the mcu for 6 years and the longer you keep them around the more expensive they get so that's why they will likely net rid of him after secret wars and he won't show up before then
Isn't the Zhang Chink a literal incel or do I remember wrong?
he was janitor on r/AsianMasculinity
There is no recovery, they are limited by the material they have to adapt and are well past the point of having anything viable left to work with.
There's a shit ton of source material left for them to use, they just need to refocus around someone new who can fill the shoes left by the previous stars.
There is a ton of unused material, but very little of it is actually viable to use in the MCU. Just because a comic story exists doesn't mean it will work for live action adaptation, basically everything written from the early 80s prior is unusable as it is too goofy, along with everything written from ~2010 onward as it is just complete garbage that nobody would pay to see. You also have to account for their tendency to speed run through things that should have been multi-movie affairs, like Planet Hulk and the civil war storyline.
> they are limited by the material they have
Try to come up with a new superhero, Marvel Comics probably already invented it. They’ve been doing this bullshit for almost a century.
Yeah but they eventually have to return to the original gang. Just look at how many times they've had to bring back Hulk, Hawkeye, Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, and Vision.
Just like with X-Men they have to keep bringing back Wolverine and Cyclops no matter how many new characters they make.
There's plenty of great stuff from the 80s they haven't even touched in terms of characters and story ideas
But for some reason they're instead choosing to focus on modern comics for inspiration instead, which is why we're getting a show about Ironheart of all characters
This, they basically did the best storyline from Marvel Comics already that's not X-Men related.
That would be their biggest issue, its way too late in the game to introduce the X-Men properly without going for a full reboot. Universe is just way too established already.
Not only that, but Fox already adapted most of the prestigious X-Men stories (Standard Magneto vs. X-Men shit, Wolverine's Weapon X origins, Days of Future Past, Wolverine in Japan)
I bet they will just introduce them via the multiverse and call it a day
That would be their second biggest problem, once you start dipping into multiverses and alternative timelines you begin a death spiral where the eyes of general audiences gloss over and they just mentally check out.
See
Incursions..
It resets the mcu
Cap, iron man recast
Pretty much. Mutants exist only in FOXs Xmen movies, main MCU simply has no mutants, then that one universe Strange goes too happens to have them both coexist (or just Xavier)
They can't do it
>Ironman signed a contract saying they cannot use ironman (Tony Stark) again in the live action movies without his authorization
>Cap was already replaced by Black Black person, if they bring him back they'll be called racists
He's given his okay.
Wanda never was from the MCU. She's a mutant from another universe who they amped her powers up with the mind stone. Magneto is her dad.
She was pulled over somehow, then after endgame another Wanda took her over at times and broke her mind then locked her away. Professor X picked up on it and the evil Wanda tore his head in half. She saw a good Wanda and realized she was "possessed and an heroed.
Incursions is where all the multiverses collapse into one and it creates a new universe. So everything gets "rebooted". Fantastic 4, x men, maybe the spider verse, and the mcu goes into one. Then you get a new cap, iron man, black widow. Thor can stay the same.
In doomsday clock then talk about the coming marvel/DC cross over event in movies building up, then in infinite frontier all the DC Characters become aware of every universe including marvel. There are hints at "stage 5" all through out it. They collapsed the watchmen universe into DC (kind of).
The comics executives have talked about avoiding the late 90s collapse after the death of superman, knight falls, emerald twilight, clone saga in Spiderman.
Sales tanked after they pushed publicity those stunts too far. Rather than do "doomsday scenarios or "new 52" nonsense they decided to just create new stories and characters and challenged the writers to stop rehashing everything. The three jokers nonsense and the will they or won't they crap with catwoman/batman dragged on, they called it quits and fired the writers in a nice way
So now Damian Wayne is being groomed to be the new batman and John is going to be superman soon.
>She was pulled over somehow, then after endgame another Wanda took her over at times and broke her mind then locked her away. Professor X picked up on it and the evil Wanda tore his head in half.
None of this actually states that there is a third Wanda at play.
>Professor X picked up on it and the evil Wanda tore his head in half.
Pretty sure he got all that from Strange's trial, and it seems like the entire Illuminati was already aware of her Dreamwalking before he even got there.
None of this says there is a third Wanda still.
motherfricker
HE DIDN'T SAY THERE WAS A THIRD WANDA YOU AUTISTIC I JUST WANT TO ARGUE MORON
WANDA FROM AGE OF ULTRON THE OG WANDA WAS FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE. SHE ALWAYS WAS. YOU FRICKING MORON. THEN AFTER VISION DIED AND END GAME HAPPENED AN INCURSION STARTED OCCURING
IT HAPPENED AFTER LOKI STOLE THE STONE IN ENDGAME
THATS WHEN WANDA AND QUICKSILVER CROSSED OVER
THEN AFTER ENDGAME AND THE INCURSION GOT CLOSER CRAZY WANDA STARTED POSESSING HER AND DROVE HER NUTS THEN LOCKED HER AWAY
SHE WAS FIGHTING THE OTHER WANDA. PROFESSOR X FOUND OUT AND CRAZY WANDA TORE HIS HEAD IN HALF
WANDA FIGURED OUT SHE WAS LOSING HER MIND AND KILLED HERSELF
FRICK FRICK FRICK
DO YOU FRICKING MORONS EVEN WATCH THINGS BEFORE YOU SPEND HOURS ARGUING ABOUT THEM
FRICKING MORON JUST DAMMIT. ITS NOT A FRICKING DEBATE. IT WAS CLEARLY SPELLED OUT. EVEN DOCTOR STRANGE SAJD MULTILPE TIMES HE PULLS HIS POWER FROM OTHER UNIVERSES IN OUR HIS WITH SPELLS.
FRICKING GODDAMMMIT YOU MORON. THIS ENTIRE THING WAS EXPLAINED. DO YOU NEED IT SPOONFED YOU NEAR ESL FRICKING MIDWITDAMMIT
oh I didn't watch the wanda and loki show.
>they are limited by the material they have to adapt
This was ALWAYS the case. No one gave a shit about the Avengers or the Guardians of the Galaxy before the MCU, and they only used those characters because they didn't have Spider-Man, the X-Men, and the Fantastic Four. Marvel will be fine.
This
I'm old enough to remember that in the 90s and 00s, Iron man and Thor etc were all B-tier marvel characters compared to. The heavy hitters - X-Men, Spider-man and Fantastic Four.
this is how to spot a fake fan you think just the most famous runs and big events matter yet talk like you know something shut the frick up
The MCU's main consoomer base ARE those "fake fans".
Superman and Batman. I'm not kidding either.
I won't be surprised if Dinsey bought them. They have the money.
It's already planned out. They revealed it almost 2 years ago.
They are going to recast cap and iron man after incursions resets the MCU as well.
2025 is the dc/marvel combined time
I can't wait to see Batman making them batquips in the coming years.
actors? no idea.
i do however think that Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic is a suitable replacement for Tony Stark. as for Captain America? idfk
alternatively they could go bullshit multiverse route and just bring back the characters with different actors
i am STILL fricking mad though that both captain america and iron man were absolutely totally fricking wasted in their potential
>Iron Man: origin movie, mediocre kind-of-adaption of demon in a bottle. shitty bastardization of Iron Man's arch enemy The Mandarin.
>Captain America: very good origin movie, also very good second movie. moronic third movie based on a bad comic by michael bryan "the writer known as bendis" bendis
>armor wars without tony stark, no fricking superior iron man, no fricking infamous iron man, no doomquest, no denny o'neil iron man.
>captain america? no invaders, no nomad story arc, no arc where he fights the schizo bootleg versions of him the government cooked up while he was under ice. no him meeting US Agent
also both of them never got to fight most of their villains
the mcu still has a bunch of good source material they haven't even touched.
>the mcu still has a bunch of good source material they haven't even touched.
Yeah and they're stepping over all of it to start doing 2010-2020 shit for some reason
Well they should have went with Bucky taking up the shield, this Black is an unlikable charisma vacuum. Spidey will eventually fill the Iron Man role as the leader that galvanizes a new Avengers team. That can certainly work, but they didn't succeed in making the potential new members interesting or likeable so far. They should also be getting a new final boss villain. I'm thinking Doctor Doom would be perfect.
Doom isn't believable as a final boss villain no matter how much me saying that hurts Cinemaphilegays' feelings. Nobody that is a 'team' villain is a credible threat to the Avengers after Thanos, the only one I can think of that people would actually still buy at this point is maybe Galactus.
Damn it sucks how much ultron was fricking wasted
You are moronic. Unironically. Doom done right could be actual kino.
People know Doom as 'the guy that gets routinely foiled by the fantastic four', normies are not going to buy him as the next big cross-movie big bad successor to Thanos no matter how much Cinemaphile wanks him off. There is no 'doing him right', he is not credible in this context. Just because you like a character, shit, I really like Magneto but I'd never pitch him as the big bad in a post-Thanos MCU. Get some perspective.
You are a fricking brainlet. Obviously you treat the character of Galactus like a maguffin timebomb that the Avengers have to stop from even arriving at the planet or it's an autolose, not fight directly, with the people they fight being his heralds, Silver Surfer, Drax etc. Doom fricking sucks by the way regardless of everything else we're talking about. Garish and stupid character even by comic book standards, it's even worse when he's played straight.
Normies are moronic and Doom has never been presented competently in film. God Emperor Doom would make sense in the current multiverse shenanigans and would make people shit bricks.
>giant guy that eats planets
yeah great villain I'm sure thatll transfer to film perfectly. doom is an infinitely better villain.
Wolverine > Daniel Radcliffe and Ben Grimm > John Cena
They are doing Secret Wars 2015, it is one of the main Dr Doom books. they need the Celestials, Molecule Man and Galactus there too.
Mackie's charismatic and I quite enjoyed Falcon. But I enjoyed Falcon as Cap's bro and loyal support, I don't know if he can lead.
he was easily the worst character of falcon.
>what if we had captain america but he was also a weak moron black man without any superpowers that was defeated by antman
epic
I haven't watched any of the disney plus shows but I enjoyed him in Cap's movies.
well the Falcon show is literally integral to the next stage of what Mackie's Captain is.
if you watch you'll understand why it's so fricking stupid that he ended up being Cap and not Bucky.
Went back and watched Avengers and Age of Ultron recently, and none of the newer marvel movies come anywhere close. It's pretty wild. Nothing will ever be as good as the Avengers coming back to the tower at the start of Age of Ultron. They can't put any team together that'll match the peak comfiness of the Whedon movies.
Superhero fatigue is going to set in. There always has to be some bigger and badder threat to the MCU and it's going to jump the shark eventually.
Well it wasn't Sonic
They need to blow it all up and do the Ultimate Universe where the characters have some edge and are mainly white.
Why was Iron Man and Captain American killed off instead of being re-casted? They could've easily explained that the Tony Stark snap basically re-casted them into younger dudes lol.
They will have to bring them back if they want to continue the capeshit. With Stark (RDJ just doing voice acting,) as an AI program that controls the Iron Legion, and do old, depowered, Gran Torino Steve Rogers running shield.
>do old, depowered, Gran Torino Steve Rogers running shield.
oh god they're going to do this in 15 years aren't they
anyway I think they're going to try to set up F4 with Richards as a leading man, and then bring in the X-men next phase and focus around them and maybe Tom Holland if they keep him.
docter strange and spiderman
They should cast me as IronMan I am smarter than the fictional character Tony Stark, more handsome than him, but I as flexible I could also do Captain America, or they could make a completely new super hero based on me and make even more money, I just need money to fund my experiments, and why not become an actor? It will sound good in my autobiography.
Stan Lee from beyond the grave
>but I as flexible I could also do Captain America
WHy not just be Pajeet-Man?
based
Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) and Punisher (Ryan Gosling)
yes they have cool characters. but the person in charge of the mcu is a cuck (Feige) and a feminist (Alonso) so they'll just try to keep pushing female protagonists and minorities like they've been doing.
they're trying to get a new ironman and cap. but they want them to be women.
Ms Marvel and America Chavez
They still have Dr strange and Thor but they've decided white male can't be leader anymore.
Hollywood overrate the pull of woke culture. Most people don't care tbh but when it becomes woke-fest, it raises redflag and push normies away. Eternal is an example
Doctor Strange, Falcon America, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man
Why did they decide to make Scarlet Witch a crazy b***h?
the book, but they really didn't show the change that well at all.
Because she's not from the timeline you think.
Prof x even said it.
She's been from the wrong timeline the whole time. Same with quick silver.
It's been really obvious for a decade. Prof x confirmed it.
when did Xavier say that?
.. are you kidding me.
Before she tore his head in half
I think you misconstrued that.
He never said that Main Wanda was replaced by another Wanda, which would make it three Wandas instead of two.
I would only watch an R rated Scarlet Witch movie in which Elizabeth Olson performs multiple, lengthy nude scenes.
Why would you want that when there's already a R rated film that has prime early 20s Olsen showing her breasts having sex with Thanos.
Still remember those old issues of Tales of Suspense. An Iron Man and Captain America story inside. Cover split vertically, with a scene from each...for 12 cents. Yes, oldgay here :).
There is no recovery, only diminishing returns with occasional spikes.
They made history and billions of dollars off the first 'book' of the MCU. The experiment is done. They will never top Infinity War.
LITERALLY EVERY WHITE MALE is being replaced.
Iron man is confirmed getting replaced by Iron Heart. Captain America has already been replaced by black guy. Loki is Pansexual and will is also a woman now. Hawkeye is replaced by a woman, she hulk is replacing poor old ruffalo who has long been a useless comic relief, thor is getting replaced by 2 women.
Also reminder that the three smartest characters in the universe are black (Shuri, the black guy from eternals, and the villain from loki who is guaranteed to be the next big bad)
yep they wrote themselves into a corner
Seethe whyteboi!!!
I suppose now that pic related, Superman can join the M-Woke U.
Dr. Strange and Moon Knight would be kino
They should just do a Dark Avengers/Midnight Sons movie - Strange leading a team of Blade, Moon Knight, Scarlet Witch, Ghost Rider, and (god help us) Morbius, maybe with Nightmare or even Dracula as the villain.
BENEDICT WONG
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WE IN THE WONG VERSE NOW
capeshit is already played out. they're ruining vidya adaptations now. after that I dont know. probably a fricking tiktok movie or some dumb shit
>they're ruining vidya adaptations now.
oh no, not the acclaimed movie-video games, which has a long history of being quality.products.
>probably a fricking tiktok movie
fricking what
Morbius and x23
They can't. People don't realize it, but Iron Man and Cap were essentially the biggest pillars of the MCU. They were the glue that held the whole thing together and without them, most of the characters have very little reason to teamup or interact the way the Avengers did with those two leading the team. The only one left with any sort of presence is Thor and he's basically better off just going on more adventures on his own or with the Guardians of the Galaxy.
They killed their golden goose. It's over.
No, now they'll finally be able to make an Avengers that EVERYONE can enjoy instead of only a small portion of the population
They're going to make all of the money
>EVERYONE
This approach has been a proven failure
It doesn't matter that it's a proven failure. They know that and keep doing it. It's not about the money anymore...
They already have specific replacements planned for Iron Man and Captain America: Falcon and Ironheart.
falcons just a guy though. he isnt a mechanic or nothing. if anything don cheadle war marchine would be a better replacement
don cheadle and falcon are the same. what do you mean.
warmachine guy isn't a mechanic. he was a war general. falcon is a war vet. what's so different?
Strange and Captain Marvel ain't it! Wanna thank Black Panther for dying to spare us from him being the top guy.
I agree, they need that magic combo. I'd guess Wolverine and Doctor Doom.
its already confirmed that they shitted the bed and falcon is going to keep being captain america until his contract ends and Iron man is being replaced by ironheart.
both shitty characters, and this comes from someone who liked falcon, they ruined 2 characters turning him into cap.
Who cares? The Age of Capeshit is over.
After the current slate of replacements fails (all the various diverse C and D-list mantle takers), they'll smash open the "Break Glass in Case of Waning Popularity" box containing the X-Men. They get one chance to cast a properly charismatic leader in at least one of the big trio (Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey) and if they strike out on all three it's a slow slide until the next reboot comes around.
How about a black girl and a black man that already does something else?
I can't wait to see how insufferable they make Riri
>this is how to spot a fake fan you think just the most famous runs and big events matter yet talk like you know something shut the frick up
top kek at this boomer trying to be hip for mexicans
They had a perfect pair in Captain Marvel and Black Panther.
Sad that didn't work out.
It had it's time.
It was fun.
Time to say good-bye now.
Pretty sure they’re moving away from Avengers stuff. Dr. Strange and Spider-Man will carry solo films. For team up movies they’re probably gonna focus on X-men and Fantastic Four
why is Cinemaphile so tsundere towards capeshit? they shit on the threads sound like they hate it but couldn't help talking about it until it gets more than 200 replies
Osborn, director of S.H.I.E.L.D./H.A.M.M.E.R. and his psychotic Avengers.
They already have a homosexual and I guess they could make Ares or Spiderman black.
the right answer is cyclops and wolverine, if the pitch their characers right and cast them right [they probably wont]
Channing Tatum as Captain America. Downey Jr. is the hardest to replace.
Have Sif join the Avengers. But that would mean NOT killing her off in Love and Thunder.
Not a chance. Shes dead
Morbius
>recover
It's doing good though
Is Baron Zemo still alive? Have him work with doom and a few other guys as a league of villains and focus on individual films until a big avengers again
Two leading heroes:
>Cyclops or Sentry
>Nova or Namor
Instead of a two man duo it could instead be a team with one hard to deal with renegade like Leonardo and Raphael
With Ronin or Punisher being the renegade
If they could get X-men, cyclops could be cool. Sentry too. He could become a villain.