The mindset of being unable to take any degree of unorthodox settings, characters and fantasy elements seriously is what has been ruining American comics and media in general for the past 15 years.
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I agree. It reeks of insecurity. The truth is that there still is a huge divide between the jocks and the nerds. Jocks like the nerd’s stuff but only if they can make fun of it, lest they be seen as weak for enjoying something unironically. I’ve seen people use the analogy that it’s like a kid on the football team being made to do Hamlet in the school play and instead of just trying his best he turns it into a farce so no one will think he’s uncool. He wears his jersey while performing and drops shitty pop culture references into his dialogue so everyone will understand that he is in on the joke and that he’s not some theater queer taking it seriously. That’s basically 80% of pop culture now, a football jock dabbing in the middle of Shakespeare.
You mean this post right?
Sums it up perfectly
that's too depressing and accurate.
When the fricking Rock makes a more accurate comic book movie you know shit is fricked.
t. nerd who keeps losing the girl to the jock
Seriously. I got my own metaphor I want to share.
Marvel is your cool older brother’s action figures he passed onto you after going to college. Actors are the hot chicks and jocks you convinced to act out with you along with some nerds, class clowns, and quiet kids. But the writers are your bratty little sister and your mother is the government. She’s exactly like your divorced mother: a Narcissistic c**t that hates your dad.
>You let your sister play with all your friends or you’re grounded for life.
>here you go sweetie: a hundred dollars do you can tell everyone how these characters are special like you
The hot chicks and jocks, save for a select few, don’t know what’s up, so they just go along with whatever. The other kids are unhappy because they’re familiar with how the stories actually play out, but they fear your mother and being uncool again. Then there’s you watching your little sister, who’s only half related to you because your prostitute mom fricked a black guy and ruined your family, waiting to punch her teeth out for making every single aspect of your life miserable.
Hope I nailed it better.
Also, your cool older brother died from overworking himself in college and your father is destitute because mommy focused all your resources on her little princess. She’s her symbol of liberation from “the patriarchy” after all.
tl;dr, nerd
What are you saying?
I’m trying to point out who the real enemy is. Actors might be douchebags, but a majority of them don’t control the script, do they?
You tried too hard and you removed any nuance to the situation and also hint at a personal resentment to specific individuals rather than keeping it a broader scenario that anyone could relate to.
Shit…ok. Thanks.
The northman was hamlet for jocks
I’m sure the Northman is played entirely straight since it’s historical fiction. Is there really a huge divide between jocks and nerds? I feel like the mindless consumer also plays a part in allowing Disney to churn shit out.
>Is there really a huge divide between jocks and nerds?
Not as much as there used to be. There is still a class system though that becomes more obvious when kids enter college. Between nerds that go stem and get jobs based on skill vs the kids that get business degrees and are in frats. Kids in frats tend to come from wealthier families, feel entitled, rely on good ole boy systems and nepotism more. Kind of the karens of the man world.
Both watch mcu movies but take away different things.
Nerd: Oh man, the cyber suit spiderman uses is pretty cool, I wonder if we will ever have clothes with AI
Frat boy: "ha, ha, bomb go boom. Lol, its ok for the hero to destroy everyone's house and win the girl. Cool awesome fun time"
I feel like that enforces my point. I’m sure the nerds and jocks could get along just fine, as well as the other kids, but what about the bratty little sister in my example? How can we avoid this noxious narcissism in our media?
I’d bet money that even the jocks would get sick of the same action.
>when do the dudes get to take action?
You are correct.
It's Post modernism, Tarantino is even more of a driver of that than Whedon.
It would help if you expand on this before some rando spergs out.
Tarantino is easily one of the most insecure men in Hollywood
All his movies post Kill Bill are about how he would have beat up one historical boogeyman or another.
Reminds me of when I was in Middle School and me and the boys would come up with ways to torture Osama bin Laden
That's not insecurity as much as it is indulging in escapism and fantasy that movies bring us. The real wild west are nothing like Westerns, samurai films are definitely not the same as the stories of real life samurai/ronin, etc
He wanted to play the Brad Pitt role in Inglorious Basterds.
Then Hitler is defeated by movies.
How is that any different from Spielberg wanting to be Indiana Jones killing nazis? And if you say that's the same, I can go down a massive list of directors who rewrote history in their movies.
Indiana Jones didn't shoot hitler in the face at the book burning scene.
Indy still kills several nazis and ruined their plans by himself.
He killed fictional Nazis and foiled a fictional plot.
Historical fiction plausible deniablility
Changing the subject. He didnt kill hitler in the book burning scene. You change the topic to "but he killed nazis" which was never in dispute and a false equivalence
>Reminds me of when I was in Middle School and me and the boys would come up with ways to torture
Psychopaths, the lot of you. I don't care who you're torturing, torture is torture and it's sadistic.
Why does he seethe about Bruce Lee so much?
I don't think Uwe Boll actually cares about anything being cool, he's scamming the German system and gamers dumb enough to buy a movie based on their favorite game.
It is more of showing how we are hypocritical about enjoying violence i think. If there is a social commemtary behind it, we are pro violence.
I'm still amazed by the amount of denial and straw manning made to defend this shitty cgi design
>what did you expect a giant head to look like
>he's a silly looking character
Bunch of moronic ass arguments
I don't like the design but I also hate how we're pretending people didn't goof on MODOK's weird ass giant face before the MCU.
People were always goofing on MODOK's dumb giant head, the issue is that they made it the wrong *type* of dumb.
Instead of being a fricked-up monster with no soul so the audience is excited to see his ass get kicked, they made him look like when 50-year-olds try to take selfies and accidentally zoom in too far, made him a victim of circumstance in his backstory, and gave him a heroic self-sacrifice (I think? I didn't see the movie).
No backstory, no threat, what's the point? It's just taking goofy ass MODOK and... that's it. Who even wins with this? No one.
The reason old marvel movies were good was because the characters took everything seriously. MODOK is inherently funny because he's a big gross floating head but the joke stops being funny when the characters in the movie are also like "hey, look at this big gross floating head". It makes him both not a threat and not a funny punchline
They don't have any actual argument.
Guys. Its literally a fricking giant head and he looks even more idiotic in the comics.
>Dude, it's an unorthodox premise! Stop taking it seriously!
No. Frick off. Modok was played as an actual threat in the majority of his appearances. You have to cherry pick to find instances of him being treated like a joke.
Earth's Mightiest Heroes offered a nice balance
EMH and Assemble were probably the best in terms of adapting him. The 90s Iron Man show really did him dirty.
Frick off Loveless
This
I don't think going "woke" is killing the MCU, hiring Rick and Morty writers? Yes, that is a death sentence and I am shocked this is encouraged.
If anybody says the MCU is dying because of wokeness they're most likely a low IQ moron. Having the same guy who wrote this film write the next Avengers movie has turned me off from even looking forward to it. The only movies I'm interested in now is Spider-Man and F4 everything else can frick right off
Wokeness is killing the MCU, you literal dick sucking frick
And that's your fault. Stay sleepin, gayget
>I’m proud of being woke!
How’s your many self diagnosed mental illnesses treating you, clown?
Low IQ moron detected
i don’t get your reasoning.
You can't point out the cause because... you just can't, okay!
they're called comic books, not drama books
This is a Reddit-tier argument
>comics are inherently SILLY they don't have to be serious hur dur
If they can take a old man in a bird suit and a guy with a fish bowl head and make them serious then that just completely shits on your argument
Frick off Schumacher.
Wonder Woman 84 was sincere about taking its silliness seriously and you shunned it.
We only shunned it because it was shit.
And it shat on men
And Quantumania isn't?
No. Continuing to read moronic-ass capeshit past the age of twelve is what has been ruining American comics for the past 50 years. It's fricking stupid and deserves to be mocked.
It's more the fsct that they use a character just to ruin them and kill them off to never use them to do anything interesting or villian team up ever becasue they kill them all off.
Also if you think they won't do this to leader in a CAPTAIN AMERICA FILM I feel sorry for you Rick and Morty writer slop eaters.
The frick is the Leader even doing in a Captain America film. They are just seeing what villains they have left and it's not looking good, they have burned through so many of the good ones already.
Also whay kind of company leaves the Hulk essentially unusable, Imagine crippling an important IP like that out of sheer incompetence.
>They are just seeing what villains they have left and it's not looking good, they have burned through so many of the good ones already.
They keep killing them off for some reason.
I was seriously expecting Avengers 2 to be like Ultimates 2 with the Liberators but they are instead the Masters of Evil and they fricked that one up for no reason. We are how many fricking movies in and there's absolutely no chance of getting the Masters of Evil.
Only chance would be for Hela to return and revive them but that would mean the MCU having a good idea and not wasting it for cheap laughs so it's a pipe dream.
I really feel like a post-Thanos MCU, would have been a perfect time to introduce Ultron. Millions of people died everywhere, and now people are looking for safety and security, which comes in the form of Ultron. Eventually Ultron comes to hate humanity and then from there becomes the big bad.
Movie creators are ashamed of what their made to work with and they go to lenghts to try and distance from it.
They will try to make it "realistic", they will ruin the original designs, they will change shit just because they dont respect it or think up some frick awful reason to substitute it whatever they feel is much more deserving of attention than "comics".
Blame younger millenials and zoomers for being insecure and calling things cringe. Companies caught onto that and are really afraid of their product going viral as being cringe. Remember corny commercials pre-internet? Remember how they were SUPPOSED to be zany because thats how they caught your attention? Nowdays they have to make ti blatantly obvious to the viewer, they're "self-aware" or else they risk being taken at face value.
At one time the idea was that being sarcastic and farcical was seen as sincere because it was cutting past the bullshit. Pomp and circumstance had an air of being restrictive and stifling to the authentic everyman, so someone like Shrek who could roll his eyes at Princess Fiona trying to rattle off flowery dialogue was seen as unique. But now every character fricking does it and it always feels like the whole cast is full of larpers doing improv. You see this sometimes in modern Star Wars, people got salty about Lord and Miller being kicked off Solo, but some of that movie’s worst dialogue came from their script and their need to poke fun at the lore.
Nerd culture is dead
Long live NeRrD cULtUrEe xdd!!
Uuuuuuuuuugh.
Yep, I certainly hope I’m strong enough. I’m certainly not a fan of those people making others suffer for their guilt.
His face game was unmatched, his ambitions were self-absorbed, yet invincible, and he was loaded. He truly was…beautiful…but so was Lucifer!
Cringe culture.
Kingdom Hearts is cringe because it is 100% sincere.
Nah its cringe because the cast is little kids and young people speaking in thick metaphors intertwined with literal beings of "darkness" while they talk about each others emotions as being light or dark. It becomes utterly fricking moronic. If the characters were really in such a situation they would at least use differing language to express themselves but they keep prattling on the same shit.
It’s also cringe because they put all that anime garbage next to fricking Disney characters. Imagine waxing poetic about your emotional anguish and the general disdain of how the world is cruel next to fricking Goofy and Donald Duck of all characters
>Why is there so much poverty and hatred in the world?
>AHYUCK
I agree thats why I dont like the series but after the first game at least I imagine they would start confiding in each other seriously
Yeah, I’m worried I’m making the same “le cringe” arguments.
So let me add on to it: Disney writing Marcel is like them nitpicking their own sandwich recipes they bought, but Kingdom Hearts is them putting fricking Candy in ramen.
Man even the Avengers game properly developed MODOK, why did they waste Modok on being this shit?
I blame Joss Whedon
Ew
Literally him
Robert Rodriguez has never internalized the concept of irony.
He legitimately believes everything he puts in his movies is cool as shit, even Spy Kids.
That's what makes him great.
>He legitimately believes everything he puts in his movies is cool as shit
you can say the same thing for any shitty director like uwe boll
Rodriguez is a hell of a lot more stylish
And because of that he and his movies are based beyond belief
>Do you think God too stays in heaven, because he fears what he created
Marvel fricks could learn a thing or two from him
Robert Rodrigeuz's Ghost Rider: Blaze of Glory (2028)
Nic Cage either reprises his role as Johnny Blaze
or it's given to Antonio Banderas who trains Robbie Reyes or something
Don’t you dare compare Mr. Electric to this trash. It’s not even close.
If the MCU had balls, they'd hire Nomura as the main director of the MCU.
Even Bill is afraid!
Is that recent artwork from him?
Yes! The most recent I've seen. It got me way too hype, he usually stays away from drawing Eltingville stuff.
>taking fantasy seriously
We had a whole group of people doing that for 4 years. Then they attacked the capital
the us government allowed itself to get "attacked' lmao
That impromptu unguided tour is really your 9/11 and Pearl Harbor lmao
>Oh my gawd, not the capitol!
really? they could have burned it down and roasted every politican inside and i would say nothing bad happened
I heard portland had taken a shit too. What were the chances that riots and protests would close businesses, make taxpayers leave, and have officers paid so little respect that they can't do anything about the homeless encampments popping up?
>I heard portland had taken a shit too. What were the chances that riots and protests would close businesses, make taxpayers leave, and have officers paid so little respect that they can't do anything about the homeless encampments popping up?
Have you ever thought about researching this? Like how large the area of the protests took up and how large the homeless encampments are? You might be surprised.
>Have you ever thought about researching this?
Not obsessively. I'm more relying on this to continue for years. Then I can compare portland now to portland then and see differences in what led to it going to shit. Homelessness is one of those issues that creep in when an area lets itself go, over several years or a few months depending on who is running the area.
>garbage from yet another Rick and Morty writer
It really is millennial writers killing the industry, they cant make anything genuine it has to be hyper self aware its shit
wtf is that
The hubris of modern Disney.
>The mindset of being unable to take any degree of unorthodox settings, characters and fantasy elements seriously is what has been ruining American comics and media in general for the past 15 years.
Needing to make millions ruined it. Too many kids graduating from animation programs ruined it. Kids of people in the industry ruined it.
People spent a lot of money on Marvel properties. So they gotta make 100s of millions to pay back the rights owners. Then you got a bunch of 20 and 30 somethings straight out of calarts and savvannah georgia with massive student loans that need work. Most of them didnt grow up on comics. They grew up on anime. And the art dykes grew up on Revolutionary Girl Utena.
What you end up with is a bunch of homosexual art kids that are debt up to their eye balls being forced to make comic movies they dont want to make because Disney, Sony and others paid marvel way too much for movie rights. No one working on the movies respects the source material. So everyone just kind of shits on it and winks at the camera.
What's weird is that they probably had creative people to really make Modok work. If Jeff Loveless was writing Winter Soldier and it was time for him to make Arnim Zola, instead of doing smart thing and like, taking into account technology of the time to adapt Arnim Zola into a digital being, thus making silly looking villain relatively grounded but still stay true to the source, Jeff would've made him look nearly identical to comic book counterpart but "as a joke" and it would've had scene of Captain America defeating Zola by changing the channel on his screen via TV remote.
>Whats your name?
>Dr Otto Octavius... but you may call me Doc Ock.
>They all start laughing
>No. Seriously.
Worst moment of No Way Home
it was obvious they were trying to recreate the scene from Spider Man 2 but they clearly just didn't understand why it was a funny form of self-awareness in Raimi's version while there's wasn't
>>Dr Otto Octavius... but you may call me Doc Ock.
>>They all start laughing
What's worse about this moment is that you're misremembering the line and he doesn't even say "But you may call me Doc Ock." They're literally laughing at JUST "Otto Octavius," which doesn't even make sense. "Otto" is an actual name and "Octavius" isn't exactly silly sounding.
A chuckle followed by the realization they should take their made up names serious would be appropriate but I dont see why they would all burst out laughing given the context of everything.
>The shit Avengers game flop manages to pull of a decent and intimidating MODOK but the MCU can't.
This being MODOK is the least offensive part because they can always go back and do a "real" MODOK because this guy is not George Tarleton. No, the worst part is that they decided to bring back Darren Cross, turned him into MODOK and the fact that he is now MODOK just made him into a joke when a tragic angle would have been way more interesting. It's impressive, they wasted two characters with one shot.
I've noticed a trend with the MCU where for whatever reason they either merge two characters into one (Ned Leeds is Ned Leeds and Ganke for example), or they just create their own original version of the character (Female Taskmaster)
Was Whiplash / Crimson Dynamo the first instance of it?
I hope we're going to see at least a cameo of an actual CD in upcoming pictures, since it's all going to be about superhuman arms race and whatnot
Because it's easier that way. They can merge characters to help excuse any variation from that character's established behaviour while also getting both characters benefits (although in the case of Ned/Ganke it's because they literally just did Miles with classic character skins), and by doing original versions of characters like female Taskmaster, it's because they don't actually give a shit about the actual character they just need a villain in that role and want the name and powerset for recognition, kinda like the Michael Bay Transformers where it's obivious they don't give a shit about any other characters behaving accurately to previous incarnations because they just wrote the script and pulled names out of a hat to give the characters, purely for brand recognition, which is how you end up with French Hot Rod and leg humping Wheelie.
And you know Marvel Comics love their MCU synergy so expect Darren Cross to become the new MODOK sometime soon.
Head games is too good to let this happen
I don't want head games to be forgotten
It's especially bad considering that they didn't even NEED to bring Darren back because it was pretty obvious he got fricking lethally CRUNCHED by his suit malfunctioning in the first Ant-Man. Yeah, I get it, comic book rules and "if you don't see a body..." and all that, but come on, the fricker was DEAD.
Hail to the king. People still to this day are unironically playing catchup to Kirby. One of his farts is worth a modern writers career
Goofy as hell
Sorry, old man, but this is the age of being IRONIC and SELF-AWARE and huffing the smell of your own farts! You're just not RADICOOL enough to understand! *kickflips off a baby's face*
I could tell you what's ruining American media.
But I would get in trouble for it.
One guy on this site definitely got in trouble for trying to come up with a solution to a problem so better be careful
Eh, Mysterio was taken seriously despite the fishbowl head and so was Namor with the wing ankles. Modok was always silly. I
Modok got him
You know this stuff looks goofy because the movie writers don’t know shit and comics are comics, but could you imagine seeing pic related in real life. I’d shit.
I mean look at this crazy shit. I don’t care that the concept is goofy, under good execution, this could terrify you.
I think Marvel is having the same problem with regular Disney: no more real villains. I don’t know what their aversion to pure evil villains is, what are they afraid of? That kids will pick up on what the villains are doing and not me that them and Disney are somewhat the same?
The biggest irony is that in the majority of MCU movies, the heroes cause way more damage than anyone else. It’s gotten to a point where you can’t even blame people for wanting to kill idiots like Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, and Strange.
So not only have they made villains non-existent, but they also made the heroes detestable. Modern day philosophy of nihilism at its finest.
>there’s no such thing as right or wrong
>see for yourself in our movies
>now shut up and let us keep doing depraved shit to your children
Pretty much. I was fine with SHIELD being questionable in Winter Soldier and Thor fricking up in his first film, but after that it felt like there was a really odd push to make the heroes not actually feel heroic. Infinity War/Endgame is the only real time afterwards where I got a sense of heroism from the heroes, and even then they seemed like complete screw-ups to the point where they needed a restart.
>The biggest irony is that in the majority of MCU movies, the heroes cause way more damage than anyone else. It’s gotten to a point where you can’t even blame people for wanting to kill idiots like Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, and Strange.
this might be intentional. MCU movies are advertising for the US military. They read and doctor the scripts in exchange for loaning them humvees.
They really could be brainwashing the public to think it just peachy for the good guys (the US military, fbi and cia) to destroy whatever they want if it is to stop some vague idea of evil
>I think Marvel is having the same problem with regular Disney: no more real villains. I don’t know what their aversion to pure evil villains is, what are they afraid of? That kids will pick up on what the villains are doing and not me that them and Disney are somewhat the same?
Disney can't make really evil vllians anymore because they can't do evil without doing it in two flavors: vaguely British or German or gay, or both.
When they remove both, they often just end up with a charming American that wants to hurt other people, which small kids oddly enough relate to.
They don't want to deal with being sued when a kid copies an evil villian and cuts his cats head off, so they instead go for misunderstood gray villians.
Women viewers also like gray villains because its easier to clean them up for their self insert fan fiction.
Those last two are good points. Disney’s way to clean.
But what about Hades? He came across more as a slick-talking lawyer that’s both American and hetero enough. Can’t they do something like that?
>But what about Hades? He came across more as a slick-talking lawyer that’s both American and hetero enough. Can’t they do something like that?
well, 1, that was 26 years ago. And 2, they kind of fell into that. They were cleaning up Zeus whom if left alone would have appeared to be the villain to Americans in 97 (raped women, cheated on his wife, gave impossible tasks to his son he barely loved). Hades is actually less of a dick than zeus in the original myths.
They just spiced him up to take heat off Zeus.
I'm not sure Disney even realizes that they can make villains like that. Hades was a byproduct of cleaning up another character.
Truth be told, I imagine we won't see any more villains like Hades because he's got a business man type vibe and the ceos that run all this shit dont like being made fun of. Its the same reason you never see frat guys made fun of anymore. When was the last time disney dunked on shit head frat boys? 2000 extremely goofy movie? You ever noticed that both marvel and DC movies have backed away business man villains and focused more on aliens and monsters to the point of just making up generic alien monster goons?
And if you want to go full conspiracy tinfoil hat, maybe batman became the focus of the DCAU because he is the only wealthy ceo. Same reason Luther was slowly removed as a big threat in JL and JLU: the people at the top of these companies do not want to be criticized.
Oh, another good example. Tom from daria. Some suit inserted him into the show to defend the wealthy from daria's critiques AND to frick both the cool girls.
I knew that, I should’ve said Disney’s Hades, my bad. But that’s cool how one villain was inspired by a hero.
Shit, looks like everyone’s too sensitive then and it’s not just a meme. That reminds me of a poll about how Muslims would much rather be portrayed as cool terrorist villains than LGBTQ+, which is pretty based. Progressivism really is a poison of the ego.
>We’re never getting another villain like Bradley Uppercrust 3
It hurts.
lol, that smug frick
>Progressivism
Modern progressivism is the result of pumping white kids full of superhero stories and morality plays about fairness, justice, not hurting others and then finding out later than it is very difficult to live without hurting someone.
Finding out that previous generations built the world by hurting others causes an existential crisis with two basic responses. One side wants to dismantle what has been built and give it back to the children of the marginalized. The other goes into full denile and hates the first group for confronting them with the problem. They do not want to think about it and feel bad, nor do they want to give up anything and feel bad.
There is a third option. To grieve the loss of that child self and get over it, but most people don't have the strength of character for that. Its hard to let go of the idea you're a hero when you've told that since birth.
>You know this stuff looks goofy because the movie writers don’t know shit and comics are comics, but could you imagine seeing pic related in real life. I’d shit.
my face when I realize that you can no longer make a good Little Shop of Horrors movie because half the people involved would think it was stupid and feel the need to let you know they're above the thing they are working on.
depressing
lord, can you imagine how bad this movie would be if everyone involved didn't play it 100% straight?
Oh god, a meta-mocking version of Little Shop sounds awful.
>Seymour, feed me flesh and blood and I'll make you famous!
>What? That sounds like a really bad idea. Like what kind of moron would I be to do that? Why would I want the flesh-eating monster to get bigger? I've seen Jaws. I don't Jaws to get bigger, I don't care if he can sing!
>Oh god, a meta-mocking version of Little Shop sounds awful.
, feed me flesh and blood and I'll make you famous!
>>What? That sounds like a really bad idea. Like what kind of moron would I be to do that? Why would I want the flesh-eating monster to get bigger? I've seen Jaws. I don't Jaws to get bigger, I don't care if he can sing!
The 80s was a gift. Special effects were still fresh coming out of the 70s and it was probably pretty easy to keep everyone on a project ramped up and serious.
Now its old hat and there are people sprinkled all over every project that want to mock what they are working on and it seeps into the script.
another one, can you imagine how fricking bad Short Circuit would be with the current hollywood? Just endless dunks and winks at the audience about how stupid the idea of a robot given life by lightening.
"like lol guys, living robot, amirite? lawlers"
God why didn't they use a big puppet for modok
They could've easily made an Audrey sized MODOK puppet and it would've looked real.
>God why didn't they use a big puppet for modok
>They could've easily made an Audrey sized MODOK puppet and it would've looked real.
I think everyone in hollywood thinks they are above puppets. That and its cheaper to pay 5 guys to render everything vs 35 people doing puppets. Some of the old puppets took like 15 people. Then you have the puppet shop. And another 5 guys layering shots to get rid of cables and fish line.
You're right though. Puppets when done right, look better than CG. And they always will. Because they're on the same film with the actors so all the lighting is perfect. Also, the creative team is forced to use more natural camera work and you don't get an ass load of camera work that is only possible with computers.
They don't even need to really do much for a Modok puppet that's realistic. Plus they could take the puppet and record it grounded in front of a green screen if they really need to.
But MODOK's head moves less than audrey's, and if the design's accurate to the comics than only the mouth really needs to move because his eyes are pure white.
Complete agreement.
MODOK should be treated like an unholy abomination of technology and biology, a horrible deformed nightmare that has the sole purpose of creating perfect plans. There’s a lot of potential facing off with something designed to create perfect plans, but isn’t necessarily a physical threat.
But because the MCU hates comics, instead they went “lol big face”
I’m noticing a pattern in his design that these surface-level writers never will. He doesn’t just have a big head, he’s got a scary, disfigured face too. Like he’s not human anymore
Because that’s what he’s supposed to be. He’s not just a big head, he’s a monster.
That sums it up perfectly, but I’m worried we’re going in circles.
That said, I’m sick of Disney’s “we’re the real monsters” adjacent themes. I bet they want their Captain America to say “Hail Hydra” so bad. They’re so cucked that they made the skrulls misunderstood immigrants rather than the monsters they deserve to be.
>That said, I’m sick of Disney’s “we’re the real monsters” adjacent themes.
I wonder what the final outcome is of the two main mcu morality themes
1. We, the free industrial world, are all the real villians and
2. It is ok for the US government to kill villains, destroy lots of infrastructure and kill innocents while doing so.
Combine, that reads like narcissistic bullying.
Not just that, he's a monster ashamed of his own humanity. He loves being evil and hates the fact he feels emotions. In head games he hates his imagined family because he doesn't want to think about the fact he is human. Murder is escapism for MODOK.
A MODOK focused movie would be better than what we got.
>Movie starts with Scott on top of the world until AIM re-emerges and successfully raids some labs that Pym had connections to.
>Antman and Wasp constantly get beaten by AIM thugs, who seem to have a perfect counter for everything they do.
>Scott and company do some detective work into figuring out what it is that AIM is planning and start getting clues to who the leader is
>Eventually MODOK is revealed when Scott breaks into an AIM facility. MODOK is a combo of tech and organics. Due to AIM having an interest in Pym Particles, AIM imprinted part of the minds of Darren Cross and Elihas Starr, who get revealed to have worked with AIM before.
>Main plan is to turn Pym’s discoveries into a mass weapon that can manipulate the size and even structure of anything on earth.
>Scott has to beat MODOK by doing the most illogical things he can, as MODOK’s designed to counter him.
someone storytime MODOKs first appearance
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Then there’s the show where they made MODOK Patton Oswalt. Seriously, frick these people.
>build an empire out of jaded, self-depreciative movies
>whine when CGI at its lowest gets mocked
Reap what you sow, mouse.
Have they always been that way? Since Iron Man 1 in 2008?
IM1 took itself seriously.
>words words words
The effect looks cheap and stupid.
I feel like there's something respect for the character has died in Marvel. The joke of Mary Poppins springs to mind.
Peter tells Yondu, he looks like Mary Poppins. That's the joke, simple.
The joke goes completely over Yondu's head and he ask seriously, if he's cool. A moment of insecurity, that Peter respect is something Yondu values.
Rather then double downing the joke. She's a nanny and you look stupid. Ect, ect. Peter then almost takes back his joke because he respects Yondu lies and says he's the coolest.
ESL?
Yondu then declares, loudly he's Mary Poppins. . . Y'all
It's the second part of the joke but only to the audience. For Yondu, he's still very much proud at this moment. Nobody is laughing.
So on top of a joke, you have an uplifting scene because of Yondu and Peter's respect for each other.
>I feel like there's something respect for the character has died in Marvel. The joke of Mary Poppins springs to mind.
>Peter tells Yondu, he looks like Mary Poppins. That's the joke, simple.
>The joke goes completely over Yondu's head and he ask seriously, if he's cool. A moment of insecurity, that Peter respect is something Yondu values.
>Rather then double downing the joke. She's a nanny and you look stupid. Ect, ect. Peter then almost takes back his joke because he respects Yondu lies and says he's the coolest.
The marry poppins joke was alright. It might have been better had he used a male disney character though, so it couldn't look like Peter might have been calling Yondu a dress wearing gay.
Yondu and Peter care about each other's approval by this point n their relationship. It would be good if we could get away from teaching little boys its ok to hide behind calling each other gays and instead be bold and use clear language of appreciation for each other like men did in the 1920s. Modern men are too afraid of simple direct language.
The problem is there are only a few can be taken straight forward and seriously easily, like Batman and Wolverine. I think any character can be done seriously, but it takes an incredible amount of effort.
Ironically, one of those characters that I think could be done very seriously without meta irony is Hank Pym, including having AIM and MODOK as one of his main enemies
MCU is at its best when it's showing a combination of self awareness to the material and reverence for it. Willing to change it, but you know, don't take a fat dump on it, either. Comics are stupid, but they're fun. Channel that.
Like, you don't need to make MODOK a gag character. He is already inherently funny, he's a big head man who wants to kill everybody and takes himself incredibly seriously. I don't see why you just can't do something more akin to the original character.
>I don't see why you just can't do something more akin to the original character.
Because that's like hard and stuff...
They might make an actual MODOK in the future, with this gagdok being to throw us off.
I really want a daily bugle show where they end up accidentally turning one of the bugle employees into MODOK. Maybe they stumble upon an old MODOKification machine at an abandoned AIM facility, and George the stumbling buffoon of a camera man falls in.