"The natural order is disorder."

This actually isn't quite as ridiculous as it sounds. Believe it or not, Aristotle once proclaimed a similar maxim:

>[T]he order of actual development and the order of logical existence are always the inverse of each other.
-Parts of Animals, Book II

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He pretty much just argues against big government, but in a really spergy way.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's against all governments and leaders, not just big ones. He's an anarchist in the very stereotypical sense of the word.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"an anarchist in the very stereotypical sense of the word"
        >owns a secret mountain headquarters with uniformed mooks

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their "headquarters" didn't seem very developed, it was just a quick hideout in the mountains.

          He's the liberal view of an "anarchist", children's show tier "that one sex pistols song" anarchist, which is fine except for when the show tries to make coherent points on ideology.

          Yeah hence why I said stereotypical.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The uniformed mooks still feel silly in retrospect.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's the liberal view of an "anarchist", children's show tier "that one sex pistols song" anarchist, which is fine except for when the show tries to make coherent points on ideology.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's funny you mention that considering that Bryke balked when Zaheer's VA told them he was part of an anarchist/punk band.

          Zaheer seems interesting but it's a cheap facade. His superficial nuance only exists because TLOK has an obsession with secretly agreeing with the tyranical/fascistic/authoritarian aspects of the antagonists, something that became more prevalent with Zaheer and Kuvira most of all (which fits considering that Bryke are liberals, and liberalism is inherently sympathetic if not enabling of fascism).

          >Zaheer is a fricking moronic quack but neither the story nor the writers truly get this

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The very concept of the fricking avatar, 99.9% of the fricking story being about being in positions of pwoer/princes/governments/businesses and that sickening 'right to rule" word vomit to come out of that dyke azula's mouth in that earth bender episode where she through sheer force of being a princess brainwashed soldiers born and raised to be merciless loyal assassins and soldiers said that.

            The show sucks the wiener of any authority or place of power on earth and does it gladly.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The Azula one I kind of understand if you know what the intelligence community of any flailing empire/country/government does when they see the writing on the wall, they immediately back the next place that can employ and fund them. So if you view the Dai Li in that aspect it's not so different from all the fascists that went through different pipelines throughout the cold war to end up elsewhere. Somewhat of a cope reason but "they're going to conquer us eventually may as well bet on the winning horse" isn't out of the ordinary for the secret police that runs everything through their puppet.

              Of course they could have been all those things while also being radically devoted to the Earth Kingdom as a concept, in which case they probably brainwash Azula/friends and destroy the fire nation's war effort from within.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The earth kingdom isn't failing they fully controlled it and they did nothing but deliver their prosperous protected empire over to an upstart lunatic princess they could easily have killed tortured for information or ransomed off to the fire lord or any other earth kingdom that wanted her.

                It's fricking STTUPID.

                It's funny that you say that considering that ideas were thrown around by fans to resolve this after ATLA:
                >a hidden society of Airbender survivors
                >Airbender descendants in plain sight among the Fire Nation
                >Aang discovering a completely disconnected and isolated Airbender community
                >the Water Tribes sharing the role of working double time to cover the missing role of the Air Nomads

                Too bad Bryke decided to "heal the balance" in the most forced way possible.

                Or OR the people in the air temples getting air bending powers becuase random bullshit with lion turtle or simply getting them from being there and spiritually sensitive people being born.

                But this would mean explaining how the random and dumb as shit bending thing works.

                You're not exactly wrong: one of the criticisms levied towards Aang and the existence of the Avatar in the story is how little he actually matters. You could replace him with a magical artifact, an animal, or a tool, and very little changes. If anything, Katara and Sokka suit the role of co-protagonists better than Aang.

                The entire bending thing was stupid and slightly racist/elitist.

                Yeah but it's a straight forward children's story of "chosen one comes of age to fight the big bad" at it's core so anything else added is sort of just interesting or side dressing. Banished prince lives through the realities of his nation and becomes the man destined to lead his nation also is a classic. Any added philosophical or ideological stuff never really took main focus away from imperial japan/fire nazis vs chosen monk.

                That would mean something if they didn't spend so much time trying ot be teen aimed shlock. It's moronic. There are litteral 30 minute commercials form the 80's and japan that are better thought out then shit shit.

                The original sin of ATLA is the failure to effectively utilize Aang as a boddhistiva: in the end, Uncle Iroh filled the role which left Aang lacking a purpose in his own story. In a narrative, the boddhistiva is meant to be someone who has reached enlightenment and chooses not to become part of Nirvana only because he wishes to guide others to Nirvana first. Only afterwards will he go last.

                examples from anime and cartoons:
                >Master Oogway, Wander from WoY, Vash the Stampede, classic Wonder Woman, The Flash, Naruto

                And so on. I've always suspected that TLOK went with "the Avatar is irrelevant" as a throughline because even in ATLA's story, the Avatar was something narratively pointless. I don't think Bryke even realized this about Aang, but it was something inevitable regardless. Too bad they made it insufferable by making it a point (which further highlighted their stupidity) and then badly executing it on top of that.

                The reincarnation shit is just like all of the asian trappings and anime ideas and stories that they ripped off. Something superficial to look cool but they lack the fricks or talent to try to expand upon it.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The earth kingdom isn't failing they fully controlled it
                This is true of Ba Sing Se but if not for the gaang Azula breaks through the wall and army diffs them into submission. She literally just went
                >don't siege Ba Sing Se take it immediately
                and it would've worked.
                >teen aimed shlock
                that's why it gets compared to shonen, because that's what it is it was just the best western version of that

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Something superficial to look cool but they lack the fricks or talent to try to expand upon it.
                What gave it away anon, the air nomads being monks in name only?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's very funny because his voice actor played a recurring antagonist in Batman Beyond called Mad Stan, who was the very image of a Bomb-Throwing Anarchist.
        He would get triggered by rage-bait news articles online and go on a rampage, usually with the objective of blowing up a building associated with whatever he read about that day.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never watched his season of korra
    Amon seems cooler and it sucks he never became a reoccurring antagonist

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Season 3 of Korra was a monumental improvement over season 2. Widely considered the best season of the show overall.

      >it sucks he never became a reoccurring antagonist
      I actually like that Korra did a new villain each season, rather than following one long plot like ATLA did. Makes it feel distinct.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Widely considered the best season of the show overall.
        Best season of the franchise tbh

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm willing to defend LOK more than most, but I'm not sure I'd go that far. Season 3 was probably the closest the show got to the highs of ATLA though.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can't be serious, the Red Lotus had a moronic motivation that made no sense

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >never watched his season of korra
      just search the scenes of his crew and when tenzin kicked his ass
      other than that, you didnt miss much of worth

      That's actually provably fricking wrong and objectively moronic.

      The mere fact that he has an organization screams he's a hypocritical c**t and revolutionary with delusions of grandeur.

      Name a fricking group of animals insects arachnids or even plants that don't organize or have leadership.

      It's fricking moronic.

      zaheer is objectively a moron and an hypocrite so you're right there.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's actually provably fricking wrong and objectively moronic.

    The mere fact that he has an organization screams he's a hypocritical c**t and revolutionary with delusions of grandeur.

    Name a fricking group of animals insects arachnids or even plants that don't organize or have leadership.

    It's fricking moronic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actual anarchists both historically and currently don't believe this, almost the complete opposite in fact. That would require Bryke to read a book though.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anarchism isn't a rejection of "organization", it's a rejection of hierarchy and a Human tendency towards oligarchy and the control of many by the few.
      >but what about ants
      Ants are a superorganism where the "queen" doesn't rule anything and is instead more like a reproductive organ that can and will be killed by the "workers" if she is sick, then replaced by another queen.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Two things
        1.It's a rejection of forced and aged and useless rulership by oligarchs and bloodlines and kings and queens and the like. Not of "organization".
        They Seek organization apparently but on thier own terms.

        2.You can expand upon that and include all orgnaizations of large animals and plants. See all as a whole lving organism rather then seperate parts.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    he is a villian you are not supposed to root for him

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Amon does bring out valid points about the avatar being obsolete though, but that plot gets practically dropped as soon as he's revealed to be a bender.
      zaheer has a child's understanding of what anarchy is

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't figure out what Amon is supposed to be parodying tbqh, you'd think soviet communism from the posters but he doesn't really hold any beliefs that would make you think that. Is his character just the main point of animal farm somehow done worse?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's hard to say because his actual backstory and motive is more sympathetic than what he pretends it is, the writers didn't know what they were doing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Zaheer doesn't really have a point because a world without the Avatar would lead to total disaster. The whole meaning behind the Avatar is to de-escalate conflict before it can permanently damage both worlds.

          >if we go with the original throughline of ATLA, then removing the Avatar means killing the spirit of the planet itself
          >if we go with the shitty muh Raava retcon then that's even worse as without Raava, Vaatu would dominate the planet and leave it within eternal chaos, misery, and darkness with corrupted spirits assraping everything

          From what I've gathered, Amon is SUPPOSED to be Bryke dunking on Communism (hence the storyboards having the hammer and sickle on the blimps) except it doesn't really show itself in Amon or his ideology whatsoever
          >Amon is a populist who wants to make everyone the same
          >he doesn't want to seize the means of production or create a classless society
          >he didn't want the state controlling all property and wealth

          >the avatar being obsolete
          I feel like season 4 continued this idea, like the Airbenders took over the world policing part while Korra was off recovering, tech has advanced to the point of giant ass mecha with laser cannon surpassing traditional bending, you even see during the show how instead of being a spiritual connection bending has been reduced to simple shit like lightning generation to power the city.
          There really is no place for an Avatar in the future.

          The problem with "the Avatar is obsolete" is that Bryke don't really understand that the whole point of the Avatar in the first place is to de-escalate conflict before it becomes catastrophic. Even in a rapidly changing world of advanced industry and neoliberal capitalism, the Avatar by all means should logically serve an important role that actually gels with the core motive of liberal politics: preserving the status quo and preventing mass chaos on a societal level

          >so they just make Korra moronic, idiotic, and then effectively kill the connection to the past lives on top of nerfing her

          ouch

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The avatar as a concept is fricking stupid and the world is moronic.
            The balance was PERMANENTLY RUINED if all of the..."air benders" were killed off in one genocidal campaign.

            If this bullshit is so important then wouldn't there be world upheevals and spiritual bgeasts roaming around/

            The very idea of teh avatar makes no sense if you think about it onl for a moment.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It's funny that you say that considering that ideas were thrown around by fans to resolve this after ATLA:
              >a hidden society of Airbender survivors
              >Airbender descendants in plain sight among the Fire Nation
              >Aang discovering a completely disconnected and isolated Airbender community
              >the Water Tribes sharing the role of working double time to cover the missing role of the Air Nomads

              Too bad Bryke decided to "heal the balance" in the most forced way possible.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're not exactly wrong: one of the criticisms levied towards Aang and the existence of the Avatar in the story is how little he actually matters. You could replace him with a magical artifact, an animal, or a tool, and very little changes. If anything, Katara and Sokka suit the role of co-protagonists better than Aang.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but it's a straight forward children's story of "chosen one comes of age to fight the big bad" at it's core so anything else added is sort of just interesting or side dressing. Banished prince lives through the realities of his nation and becomes the man destined to lead his nation also is a classic. Any added philosophical or ideological stuff never really took main focus away from imperial japan/fire nazis vs chosen monk.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The original sin of ATLA is the failure to effectively utilize Aang as a boddhistiva: in the end, Uncle Iroh filled the role which left Aang lacking a purpose in his own story. In a narrative, the boddhistiva is meant to be someone who has reached enlightenment and chooses not to become part of Nirvana only because he wishes to guide others to Nirvana first. Only afterwards will he go last.

              examples from anime and cartoons:
              >Master Oogway, Wander from WoY, Vash the Stampede, classic Wonder Woman, The Flash, Naruto

              And so on. I've always suspected that TLOK went with "the Avatar is irrelevant" as a throughline because even in ATLA's story, the Avatar was something narratively pointless. I don't think Bryke even realized this about Aang, but it was something inevitable regardless. Too bad they made it insufferable by making it a point (which further highlighted their stupidity) and then badly executing it on top of that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The balance was PERMANENTLY RUINED if all of the..."air benders" were killed off in one genocidal campaign.
              and who's fault was that.
              The entire plot of Aang is about guilt for not being there to follow his destiny.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            every avatar thread eventually comes to the conclusion that byrke are morons holding avatar as series back with their idiocy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the avatar being obsolete
        I feel like season 4 continued this idea, like the Airbenders took over the world policing part while Korra was off recovering, tech has advanced to the point of giant ass mecha with laser cannon surpassing traditional bending, you even see during the show how instead of being a spiritual connection bending has been reduced to simple shit like lightning generation to power the city.
        There really is no place for an Avatar in the future.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >industrialization has rendered the spiritual bridge useless
          >MAD actually happens, air nomads only ones somewhat unaffected
          >peaceful airbender communes but rouge militias roaming the landscape for territory and resources
          >all of a sudden the avatar actually serves a purpose of bringing balance back to a world torn apart
          >struggle between the old world's balance and a new world
          >time of monsters etc.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The ironic part about TLOK is that Bryke wanted a capitalist urban modern fantasy story inspired by diesel-steampunk fiction and cyberpunk anime, except the main issues at hand are

            >Bryke are liberals and not punk/rebellious in the slightest: so any story they would make would be in favor of the status quo rather than against it
            >they wanted mass industry and urbanization without any of the actual new problems it creates (poverty and homelessness, pollution and destruction of the environment, exploitation on an obscene level)
            >hence why TLOK's conflicts have to be contrived (non-bender BS being completely unfounded in reality, Vaatu crap, Zaheer being a quack, and Kuvira's ass-pull to villainy) in events effectively divorced from the premise

            And what's even more moronic is that if you think about logistics, TLOK could never have such a big jump in industry, and even if it did, it wouldn't be that big or have any reason to mirror IRL counterparts: TLOK's metaphysics contradict ATLA's

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Amon had a lot of valid points, so many in fact that they had to make him into a power hungry moron. They would do something similar to Kuvira as well.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Humans all over the world from across tens of thousands of years all independently gathered together and formed systems of hierarchical governance. This is because this is the most consistent way of creating stability for the masses and the majority will always crave stability. Humans are beings that are willing to give up some freedom in exchange for consistent food, water and shelter.

    Even if you magically abolished all current governments and created absolute anarchy, humans will inevitably create new hierarchical governments within a hundred years. True anarchy is a pipe dream. You can't stop people from creating governments.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >yfw

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Book 3 was the best season of Korra, but Book 1 and Book 2 were so fricking bad it poisoned the well for the show and Book 3 had abysmally low ratings as a result.

    This is why Nick moved Book 4 entirely to their website, because they could no longer justify airing episodes on TV.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The only good anarchist society in fiction is from Ursula Le Guin’s The Dispossessed. Which goes into how much of a flawed society it is despite being better than the alternatives (capitalism, communism).

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Aristotle
    Pretty sure Aristotle also thought menstruating women shot lasers full of blood out of their eyes, and you could tell because if they stared at a mirror, droplets of blood would appear on it.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what if women are just blood benders?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wait...DIO was a woman?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes, so is superman get over it chuds

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok and?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the real question, is cyclops the most female character in fiction?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Even if it is period blood, it's not his. It's from another dimension. The period dimension.

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