The new predator movie has me interested in predator lore again. Any good comics for it?
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The new predator movie has me interested in predator lore again. Any good comics for it?
I like the one where a Predator teams up with a Pirate Captain to fight hits mutinous crew.
You mean the one this movie retcons?
aye
Honestly that comic is a little too fantastical for my taste. Why would a Predator give a shit about helping a human pirate? I much prefer Raphael as having been kidnapped by Frenchmen and just winding up in North America.
Mind you for all the significance the gun has the dude himself got shit on pretty badly. Most you can say is he wasn't as terrible as the unwashed frogs. But honestly it's not itself a big enough deal if the gun itself remains more significant than the man whose name is engraved on it. In all the movie wasn't that bad. I'm surprised there's not more b***hing about a woman being the main protagonist given the current state of Cinemaphile, but everything she does is consistent with the Pred 1 (use your knowledge of the creature against it) and 2 (turn its own technology against it). The only "stronk womyn" moment that stands out to me is it's hard to imagine anyone without Ahnold level physique ripping a Pred's tooth off and stabbing it with it. But frick it, as far as protag's rolling nat 20s goes it's not that bad.
The worst thing about the movie as far as I'm concerned is while the bone mask is pretty sweet the actual Predator's face looks like shit. I miss Stan Winston so much.
The new Predator comic which dropped on Wednesday (there was a storytime for it) uses the same basic setup, but so far feels very weak since the main character already has a full compliment of Pred gear and weaponry without any of the buildup. But it's only the first issue, so I won't judge it too harshly (yet) ... though their discount Machiko isn't doing them any favors. At least it's already better than the Marvel Aliens comics just for not having Larroca. Thank goodness he's no longer doing the art.
Honestly the Predator is hard to do well in comics. Dude tends to be a slow burn, relying on hit and run tactics to draw out his hunts, but the lack of page space ends up with straight up massacres right at the start. Granted Predator 2 wiped out two entire gangs, a bunch of subway riders, and Gary Busey's squad. But Predator 2 was a punkass b***h who tried to pop his wrist nuke way too early. Oh no, an out of shape cop, better commit sudoku!
>it's not itself a big enough deal if the gun itself remains more significant than the man whose name is engraved on it
Why would the Preds know or care what name was on the gun? They'd care about the deed done with the relic.
>Why would the Preds know or care what name was on the gun? They'd care about the deed done with the relic.
And logically people expect that the name engraved on the gun played a huge part in the weapon being significant enough for it to become a trophy worn by a predator hundreds of years later, and considered worthy enough to be gifted by an old Predator, Grayback, (possibly the person who acquired the trophy since we don't know how long they live) to a human as tribute for him managing to kill a Predator.
It's not about the Predators knowing the name on the gun, it's about the guy whose name is on the gun, that the audience knows, being significant. Now it doesn't HAVE to be that way, and Prey went with that angle, but surely you can see why an expectation exists because of the name and date being on the gun. Enough so that an earlier comic series was made around the character.
Now his claim to fame is not being quite as awful, teaching the chick how to use a gun, and then dying like a punk b***h. Honestly I'm surprised the Predator even bothered to kill him since he wasn't worthy prey by that point, but I guess it just wanted to shut him up.
The explanation for the gun in the comics sounds awful honestly
Either there are shills in this thread, or shit eaters
>"wah nut muh canon!"
>disagree
>"wah shill"
Slack-jawed homosexual.
Garuntee im better looking than you boot licker
But it's not about the guy who's name is on the gun. Because nobody knew or cared who Raphael Andolini was or is. The gun is significant for its age, and the fact that it's given to Hartigan by Preds after he kills one. It's the twist of the scene because before that it looks like the Elders are surrounding Hartigan to kill him. It's part of Predator 2's expansion of the lore, and the respect for the hunt etc.
Raphael Andolini may as well have been Joe Schmoe. As you say, the story didn't have to be about him, the pistol didn't even need to be his. Prey could've been set in 1816 and followed Andolini's grandson. It wouldn't have mattered as long as someone did something to impress the Preds with that gun, and the Preds took it and considered it important.
We still haven't gotten that second part...
I can't believe I'm having to still explain audience expectations to you. I mean a Predator keeps a gun as a trophy, which itself is significant because we've only ever seen them bother to collect skulls and spines, sure people have a reasonable expectation that the name and date specifically inscribed on the gun is significant. I mean the name and date don't even have to be there at all for a flintlock to be recognized as old, anon.
I'm not even upset that he turned out to be a mostly useless nobody who died a pathetic death, but I can at least recognize that some people expected Andolini himself played a major part in why his specific gun was worthy of a Predator to openly wear centuries later.
Watching Predator 2 I never really thought much of the name on the gun, I was just enthralled by the idea that the Predators had been coming here for centuries. I like to think that was the point of it in the story, and the name was just there to justify the engraving of the date. I can see the disappointment of the gun’s owner not having a better story, but honestly the fact that the answer is a little less epic and a little more convoluted in my opinion sells the Predators more. They had the gun on them because it was a neat trophy, they didn’t care who it belonged to. Then they just kind of toss it to some human as a kudos for being tough, with no ceremony or sentiment whatsoever because they’re just that jaded. They don’t take it personally when one of their own dies, it’s what separates them from us. Raphael was important to somebody at some point, but in the timeline of Predator he’s just a footnote.
Fair point, but equally, audience expectations are no measure of quality.
>"I'm smarter than a beaver."
>the guys name is Beavers
Coincidence?
>audience expectations are no measure of quality
Also fair. I'm just glad it was used prominently. Point blank to the back of the fricking head, still just knocks his mask off, but that's what she was going for anyway.
Honestly what this Anon said:
The real reason wasn't because the guy on the gun was important, it was just to give people a Neo: "Woah." moment when you realize they've been coming here since way back. If we needed and in-story context for the scene, I would think it would make sense for the Predator to take it either because the guy's skull got crushed and it couldn't take that, because they like to collect a sample of a "new/significant" weapon the first time they encounter it (like the first time they go from just clubs to having actual swords, maybe a Predator took one back to keep track of how that planet was developing, first time they got a gun, etc.) That, or it could even be something like they take a weapon that a prey almost killed them with out of respect and/or to humble themselves because even things far more primitive than them can still kill them.
I don't think the Predator would've given the guy that gun because the owner was a friend of significant human to them as a people, it was just the "aliens letting the clueless human in on the secret" trope as a sign of respect for managing to survive against one of them.
I think it's more a matter of if you're going to use the actual guy at all, why underutilize him? The real answer is it was Naru's story and giving him a bigger part would detract from that, so he's basically sidelined as a rather minor but nevertheless still important part of her story. Simple as.
Or, if you prefer, consider your expectations subverted.
I think the act of giving Harrigan the gun was far more significant than you're making it out to be. You're confusing letting the audience in on the secret (that the Predators have been hunting on Earth for far longer than known) with why he gave Harrigan a trophy at all. It's not only the first time we've seen a Predator with multiple human weapons kept on its person but it makes sense that if it was going to give a human anything it would be a human trophy. I never liked the BS where Predators gave a human any of their technology. They're obviously way too careful to leave any kind of evidence lying around if they've been hunting on Earth for centuries - or longer. They were never going to let Harrigan keep the smart-disc even if it's the weapon he used to kill the City Hunter.
>I'm surprised there's not more b***hing about a woman being the main protagonist given the current state of Cinemaphile
?? The current state of Cinemaphile is that it's a troony run shithole where any non communist opinion is censored, lol why would you expect Cinemaphilemblr to b***h about that
Because of how nearly every thread in Cinemaphile has someone flipping their shit over something being too "woke" including this very thread. Kudus to you for somehow being oblivious to it. I wish I had that power of super ignorance.
>?? The current state of Cinemaphile is that it's a troony run shithole where any non communist opinion is censored, lol why would you expect Cinemaphilemblr to b***h about that
schizo, you aren't scensored right now.
You just have a white Black person victim complex instilled in you from propaganda
How are you going to sit here and type this fricking lie? What do you gain?
He believes it. They've been trained to feel like they're constantly persecuted for being white men and that israelites and manipulating every aspect of the world around him
>I'm surprised there's not more b***hing about a woman being the main protagonist
Because she gets her shit pushed in several times. She's strong and capable, but not a Mary Sue.
You say that like people don't still complain just because a character is female or not white.
Unfortunately yes. The comic makes more sense in the continuity with Predator 2.
Man, Predator 2 was a good movie.
That sounds awful
Plenty
frick off and die shills
I'm getting mixed signals here.
Black person
ywnbaw
Are there any official stories where the Yautja is the protagonist?
Why would you want that?
To see a successful hunt. To see them go against greater threats than humans. They could do a Yautja protagonist that doesn't feature humans at all.
you could play Predator Concrete Jungle
That would require the Predator on an alien planet where there would be no dialog whatsoever. I think it would be cool but very difficult
Now that I'm thinking about it, the only way forward is exactly that, showing a predator with his own ship hunting an alien world
The closest we got to that was Predators with the Preserve Planet, which also had a new sentient alien added to the mythos in the "river ghost". It's played different roles in early versions of the script, and even takes some design cues from the original Predator design before Stan Winston saved their asses (sorry Van Damme). Arguably the idea of different factions of Predators working against each other lead to the whole, "Predators aren't hunters but collecting DNA from 'worthy' specimens to augment themselves and also autism is the next step in human evolution." Frick that noise.
I do like to imagine the line about how when one of the prey manages to kill a Predator that's when they get REALLY interested, which might explain why three more ships show up in the credits of Prey. Then again they might just be collecting the remains and technology left behind. I always wondered, for instance, about how in Predator 2 it lost its mask in the meat packing plant and an arm in the alley alongside the building. I guess Garber (the dude played by Adam Baldwin) really sucked at his job since he acts like they didn't get jack squat at the end of the film.
Alien/Predator/Prometheus had a Pred called Ahab who was obsessed with chasing down the Engineers. It was pretty sweet.
That Pred hopped up on Prometheus' black goo was so frickin' kawaii, bro.
Aliens vs. Predator: Chained to Life and Death.
It's a one off about an old predator going on his last alien hunt.
It's cool they're doing Predator films in different time periods. Which time period do you want?
Me personally, I want to see a WW1 film.
Dinosaurs would be neat. But apparently Prey is their first time on Earth.
Marketing really confuses people. It's that particular Predator's first time on Earth. Not the species. I'd like Predator vs. Cavemen
That'd work too.
I'd like this just to see preds hunting crazy shit like mammoths and those giant sloths
>Primal episode with Spear and Fang fighting a Predator.
Is AVP not canon anymore? I could've sworn the whole thing was "Predators stuffed Xenos into an Antarctic pyramid a million years ago so they could come back and hunt some on weekends"
God I hope it isn't canon. Not sure it ever even was, to be honest. A lot of people involved in the originals didn't like the idea, and it was largely considered the soulless cash grab that it was.
It didn't have to be. Remember comics were doing that story successfully for 15 years at that point.
Let's not act like the comics would ever be considered canon in the same way an audience might think a feature film is. I mean the Aliens and Predator used to frick around with Batman and Superman. They even had a comic where the aliens were genetically mixed with Batman's rogue's gallery for no apparent raisin. Nevermind how the hell Joker's smile and general insanity are genetic in the first place.
>Nevermind how the hell Joker's smile and general insanity are genetic in the first place
Uh, he's not just a person, anon. I thought everyone knew his origin by now lol
Oh anon, that comic was three Crisis and at least one Final Crisis, and possibly even a Crisis on Infinite Earths ago. Also at several Flashpoints.
Doesn't change the fact he was a mutant at that point in time.
Anon, they had a xenomorph Two-Face. That comic didn't give a shit about making any kind of sense.
Is that a xeno Scarecrow?
I never read the comic, but the panels make it come off as the Arkham inmates were turned into Xeno hybrids with their minds intact. Why are they wearing uniforms with name tags and speaking?
Is this comic the same one where Batman beats a Yautja in the Batcave by hitting him with a baseball bat? I've always had a problem with normal humans taking on the Yautja in melee combat, which every movie since Predator 2 has done.
And this fanfilm:
Arnold Schwarzenegger with his massive muscles said that there was no way he could win against the Predator through hand to hand combat. He said something to the extent of "I am merely a man, be he's a MONSTER."
>Beating the Predator in a face to face fight was supposed to be the original conclusion of the ending.
>Arnold convinced them to change the ending
>Shane Black got the idea for dropping a log on the Jungle Hunter when he turned on the TV and there were Looney Tunes reruns. And he included this in the rewrites.
The Yautja tossed Arnold around like a ragdoll and in Prey K.O.ed a bear with a punch. I know Batman can take on Superman and Darkseid but can we stop with the normal humans lasting so long?
>but the panels make it come off as the Arkham inmates were turned into Xeno hybrids with their minds intact. Why are they wearing uniforms with name tags and speaking?
They're hybrids in the sense that a woman blended Xenomorphs with the DNA of Batman's Rogue's Gallery. They aren't the actual villains who have been altered. The kicker is that her ultimate creation is a Killer Xenocroc it ends very badly for her because Killer Croc at that point was just a wild animal so the creature had no mind to condition or control. She died.
In terms of story, I still think it's better than the Justice League versus the Predator where a bunch of Predators gave themselves the powers of the League to hunt them. Wackiness ensued.
Probably one of the better ones was Kyle Raynor versus the xenomorphs, even if it did wind up in the deaths of several Lanterns.
But Batman can't really take on Superman or Darkseid though.
>Anon, they had a xenomorph Two-Face. That comic didn't give a shit about making any kind of sense.
I mean they become more like their host after successfully reproducing so you have to imagine that after multiple cycles through humans you'd basically just end up with sapient benign Xenomorphs, one of which could end up becoming Two-Face.
Is that in a marketing thing? They never say that in the movie itself (at least the Comanche version.) The dude just shows up and goes invisible and gets to work.
American Gladiator told me that Apache's were the craziest and most lethal sumbitches in recorded history (besides those Japanese warriors with the huge bow and arrows) so I feel like all the b***hing about her being a badass is kind of missing the mark there.
Speaking of, I would like to see Predator versus Samurais or a Mongol Horde next.
>Apache's
Yeah but these were comanches, right?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comancheria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_Wars
>Speaking of, I would like to see Predator versus Samurais
> Predator in fuedal japan, hunting down famous samurai and enjoying not just hunting them but specifically engaging them in honor duels. No stealth kills, only 1v1 face to face combat for his prized prey.
> MUCH HONOR
> fights Miyamoto Mushashi
> motherfricker cheats
Director Dan Trachtenberg is very careful to say that it's THIS PARTICULAR Predator's first hunt on Earth. Claiming that it's the first time any Yautja was on Earth seems like it comes entirely from marketing.
I didn't even know the word "grognard" until now.
Specially when he wants samurai vs predator too.
>samurai vs predator
they kind of have to now, just to explain where the sword in Predators came from
its the only trophy that doesnt have an origin
The Yakuza guy from Predators
>Me personally, I want to see a WW1 film.
A Predator hunting on No man's land and in trenches would just ooze kino.
That would be so fricking cool
I want one set during the siege of some city during the Crusades. Protagonists would be a forcibly-converted Viking penal soldier and a Muslim scribe/scholar and have a normal Predator and a Bad Blood. In the end, the human protagonists aid the normal/"good" Pred in taking down the Bad Blood and the European goes off into space with him to hunt more.
I would love to see one set during the east African guerilla campaign in WWI
I want to see one where Teddy Roosevelt comes across a predator while hunting in Africa
The tagline: "Bully"
>Which time period do you want?
Predator VS Ninjas
Predator VS Vikings
Predator VS Pharaoh's guards
Predator VS Aztecs
Predator VS Mongolians
Predator VS Roman Centurions
Essentially I want Predator VS all of human history and culture
We need a female predator for the next one too, no matter what it is
A male and female Predator duo enacting a mating ritual in the form of a hunt. I’d watch it.
> Mr. And Mrs. Smith, but Predators
Oh snap
Reminder that in lore, the females are stronger than the males.
and they are also bigger/taller then the males
the males have to present several worthy trophy's to get to mate with females, and the males end up with several broken bones after the sex.
But there haven't been a lot of female preds shown even in the comics.
only Big mamma comes to mind
So what's the plot then?
Fem Pred going after a criminal (do they even have criminals)
Fem Pred chasing after wayward child?
Or Fem Pred taking part in a mating ritual like this dudes
idea
That'd make the Predator full CG or awkwardly filmed and inserted into scenes, a person wouldn't be able to play it on set normally.
I want a Predator MC doing The Last Samurai in feudal japan. Maybe make Oda Nobunaga the final boss and his trophy kill.
1880s Anglo-Zulu war era. I want the predator getting shot at by martini henry rifles.
>Me personally, I want to see a WW1 film.
That's better than anything I would have come up with, honestly.
Gimme Vikings or Samurai, either way, I want it set during a winter.
Only time they ever experimented with that was with AvP, and 85% of the movie took place underground.
1939.
The truth isn't that the Predators love the heat but that they fear the cold.
Put him in Vietnam. Change it up so that a local village worships the Predator, feeding it livestock so that it can act as a sort of guardian spirit. The local Predator would pick off Americans and Vietcong with each blaming each other for the ambushes. The ending will have the Predator winning, killing the last soldier in the village's pig wallow.
bro it's a movie about an alien with advanced technology killing a bunch of native Americans.
It's the whitest movie that's come out this year.
Predators have dreadlocks.
So did the Vikings.
And the li’wang tribe.
So did the Vikangz
Look it up
The movie was good, the protagonist was generic. She also did that trope were she tries to explain something, turns around, walks a few feet, then turns back around to explain the thing again. Also, the action of her versus 12 men was bad.
I wish we got an alternative ending where the French men actually killed, and skinned the predator. Would've been funny. Or have them be a considerable threat.
>French
>a threat
Pick one.
You don't know where the word grognard comes from.
>French
>threat
It's alright it it has the same issue as the other newer movies, too much focus on humans. The "I'm a stronk women me good hunter" was so annoying that I almost cut this shit off twice. The ending was about the only saving grace, it was a good finish. I just feel like they could have done the native American shit better than almost half the movie of "Come home women, no hunt".
The focus is entirely on the humans in all of the movies
But it seemed like it was even more so
The predator was on screen for 8 total minutes in the first one.
The difference is that its presence was felt throughout most of the movie.
I wanna see the Predator in the post soviet union chaos in eastern europe and the Balkans fighting various paramilitary and terrorist groups like the Kosovo Liberation Army
There was a book or book series about a Soviet installation that got targeted by predators I think
Damn, really? I really need to rewatch that one again, it's been years
I wish this movie was better. All the pieces were there but it was just disappointing
I didn't even know it was coming out and the last ones were bad so I had no expectations going in and I liked it a lot. It's nothing special, but it's a good predator movie about an alien that hunts people. The predator scenes and kills were fun
Same, though I knew slightly ahead of time only because I saw the "ad" on Hulu. Some of the kills, I felt, were a little lackluster and they reused the stupid mecha-net that turns whoever it captures into chunky salsa. I'm not sure why the hell a species that obsesses over trophies would do that. While something like that was used against Harrigan in Pred2 only for him to cut himself free with the Predator's super frisbee. The chunky salsa, to my knowledge, comes from the first Alien vs. Predator flick. One guy got straight fricked up by it, and a xeno's acid blood saved it while giving it a distinctive look. The shield was pretty nice. Good defense/offense combos with it.
A decent flick overall. I hope the Aliens series follows the same level of quality, because this was a great effort in going back to franchise roots. I'm still dubious about that series taking place on Earth in the "near future". Maybe it's just because it reminds me too much of AVP Requiem. That and I prefer that they keep it to the used future aesthetics of the first two films. Why couldn't they just follow on with what was done with the 40th anniversary shorts?
>I'm not sure why the hell a species that obsesses over trophies would do that
Preds only take trophies from creatures they deem worthy, and that itself varies among individuals. It's the same reason later preds bring a freaking laser canon to a gun fight: it's to weed out the riff raff. Anyone left standing after they unleash thier tech is likely gonna be the badass protagonist type that the Preds are really hunting for. Everyone else just gets reduced to meat
While I see what you're saying I'm not sure I agree. What we know about Predators is that they have a ten year lull between hunts and prefer places that are hot and ripe with conflict. Other than that it only cares if you have a weapon or not (and in some cases will spare you if you're preggers or terminally ill going from AVP). Pred doesn't give a frick if you're a coked up voodoo gangbanger or some butthole on a subway, you're fair game. That said, it definitely popped a boner when Dutch's team took out the guerrillas since they were clearly superior trophies.
>I had no expectations going in
Same and it was just more super wyman that is better than everyone nonsense.
No it wasn't
I thought it was great. Slick directing, great characters, cool kills. What more did you want?
>great characters
Yeah, gonna disagree heavily. Characters were really weak. Was bored to tears until the pred was actually on screen
Naru had a clear goal and arc. Her brother was a badass. Everyone else was ok.
I just keep thinking about the 30 different characters of The Predator and I'm happy.
Her tribespeople were pretty straight up badass, even the three idiots who tied Naru up and were going to drag her back home. Sure they were buttholes but props gotta be given to the guy who stares down a predator, roars, and tries to go melee against it.
Aw yeah that scene was pretty cool.
Nobody in the film overstayed their welcome, even characters I thought were kinda flat were gone before they became a problem.
>What more did you want?
A good movie. I swear to god AVP: Requiem and The Predator were so fricking atrocious that people are just willing to accept something that's still shitty but because it's less shit they think it's an improvement. I will list all of the flaws I can think of at the top of my head for why Prey was awful.
>Predator was made grossly incompetent just so the fricking indians could even the playing field
>Predator has multiple times to kill the female indian but just doesn't
>French traders are there to be fodder and nothing more. All that shit about the one guy teaching the female indian how to use a gun is just a nothingburger
>female indian is the most incompetent person in the movie yet they still make her out in the end as a "boss queen" type figure despite being the main reason her brother and other important warriors of her tribe died.
>Female indian just somehow knew how to operate the predator helmet
Want me to go on?
>nuuuuuuu why are the natives good at things, the white people should have done more reeeeeeeeee
Why are white bois like this
>Predator was made grossly incompetent just so the fricking indians could even the playing field
It makes sense for the Predator to be scaled back 300 years because, you know, it takes place 300 years ago.
>Predator has multiple times to kill the female indian but just doesn't
Way to literally forget the point of the Predator, which is the honor code. Every time he lets Naru live it's because she's unarmed. It happens in literally every movie.
>French traders are there to be fodder and nothing more.
Welcome to a slasher movie.
>All that shit about the one guy teaching the female indian how to use a gun is just a nothingburger
Nothing except the decisive moment of the final kill, the sequel tease and the Predator 2 connection, sure.
>female indian is the most incompetent person in the movie yet they still make her out in the end as a "boss queen" type figure despite being the main reason her brother and other important warriors of her tribe died.
The best hunter is the war chief, it's established when her brother kills the lion. At the same time, she fails to do so, and he doesn't acknowledge her contribution, so she reaches the emotional low that motivates her proving herself. There's a reason that's the halfway point of the movie, and it's called basic storytelling.
Guy gets into trouble, gets out of it.
>Female indian just somehow knew how to operate the predator helmet
They literally show you her watching the Predator and figuring out how it works. Of all your bullshit non-complaints this is the most bullshit, because the directing in this movie is clear as fricking crystal, and it's a breath of fresh air not just after The Predator, but after two decades of shakycam action movies.
I believe you when you say these gripes came off the top of your head, because the movie itself explains half of them.
You've become such a pathetic beaten dog victim. Its not even funny it's disgusting.
Dont expect rational comment amongst these boot lickers, but I agree with you
>anyone who doesn't agree with me is a bootlicker
what a pathetic cope
Who's coping? You? Clearly.
For what it is, AVP Requiem isn't bad. It's greatest sin is being so dark and underlit that most people can't see anything. There's a reason even great filmmakers frequently use the color blue to indicate pitch darkness instead of actual darkness.
>slick directing
>cool characters
I liked it but you’re really overselling these points. The acting was really wooden & none of the characters were written a tenth as interesting as Dutch or even Hanzo yakuza guy from predators & that guy spoke maybe twice the entire film
They need a fantasy boyfriend/surrogate Father Figure they can pretend to be like. Seeing a woman succeed just makes them feel inadequate about themselves.
How I feel about The Predator. Biggest disappointment. There was possibility for something great, but then it just went off the fricking rails into stupid town.
>Strong, clear character arc with ok to great side-characters
>Director's knowledge of geography and space makes for stylish action
>emphasis on historical accuracy to underscore the fiction with tactile realism
>while the language thing is weird, the director has cited Hunt for Red October, also directed by John McTiernan, as the inspiration
>stripped-down survival movie that fits the mould of Predator 1
>continues the Predator 2 gun plot for normies who don't read comics
>Feral Pred's mask is a River Ghost from Predators
Prey is the best requel ever made. Period.
I'm genuinely excited for the Hulu Alien show and I hope Marvel gets its shit together on the comics side. Who's putting out Predator novels now? Is it still Titan?
Eh, it's a decent Predator movie after a string of awful ones but that's putting it up on way too high of a pedestal. I'm also extremely hesitant about the Alien show because Alien has been just straight up trash since after Aliens. You've got two shitty sequels, two shitty crossovers, and two shitty prequels. The only half-decent thing in the Alien Franchise since the first sequel has been Alien: Isolation.
I stand by Alien 3, particularly the assembly cut, on its own merits even if it's a shitty sequel to Aliens. Resurrection is unforgivable though - even more of an abortion than Terminator Genesys, the Ridley Scott Alien prequels and Shane Black's Autism vs. Predator.
Did you watch Legion?
I like Predators, and i'm tired of pretending I didn't.
The Predator fricking sucked though.
That movie reminded me that Shane Black deserved to die first, even if Hawkins probably would have loved Cinemaphile if he'd lived. That said, I'm so glad they did go with the Iron Predator armor as opposed to their half-assed intention to somehow have the pod contain Ellen Ripley in stasis. I mean frick that shit up whatever hole the Yautja use to frick and/or shit.
Predators is probably the second best one in the entire franchise. I thought Prey was good too.
The only flaw IMO of Predators is Topher Grace's character - why yell about IDF about to kill herself if you are a serial killer and want to kill her later anyway? But that's a minor quibble.
Honestly a serial killer was a pretty bad choice for the Predator. Yeah I get that he's a kind of human foil to the Predator. A hunter hiding in plain sight racking up the body count, but he's not much of a threat to a predator and instead be more of a risk to the other humans in the group, which he was.
On the other hand I have this uncomfortable notion that if the Predators are observing everything that goes on then watching a human hunt other humans is basically their version of porn. So tawdry, so wrong, yet so right. Probably stroking off their mandibles the entire time.
Yeah, i'm not sure if i'd put Prey or Predator 2 in third. Probably 2, because the novelty factor of Prey will fall off soon. Still miles ahead of The Predator though.
Predators is just okay, pure dumb fun but kinda lackluster when compared to even the less stellar Predator 2.
Predator was essentially just a high concept star vehicle. Arnie didn’t come back for 2 because his price tag was too high, so I admire that they went ahead anyway. Personally I like Danny Glover’s Harrigan, specifically because he’s not just another jacked soldier. He’s a blue collar dude with a gun who gets winded and is slightly out of his depth, he just feels a little more relatable. I also like how he winds up being the last man standing and all the expert feds end up biting it. I’d take him over Royce any day.
I've had an idea for a new Predator comic floating around in my head for a while. Using the lore from the asymmetrical slasher game, it would be about modern, suped up Dutch hunting an elusive new Predator only for the Predator to turn out to be a human assimilated into a clan, maybe Royce from Predators, who's sorta going full on Punisher in how he's hunting.
>kicks the Predators ass so hard it cloaks and runs away
>still almost gets the drop on the cloaked Predator when it's sneaking up behind him
>even after getting impaled on 2 blades he stabs the Predator in the leg to save his sister
Yeah he died but frick it, he still won
He was a badass. Based on the film I think it could be argued he could have taken the predator except as he said he lacked his sister's ability to identify significant details and plan accordingly. That gave her the edge in terms of recognizing the predator's behavior and technology and how to exploit it.
He should have been the main character
Did almost as good as the Yakuza guy
Nah he did better, Feral Pred was clearly doing w/e it took to kill him including using the shoulder canon and cloaking, while this was a straight one v one blade duel.
He should have been the mc
I really like that this guy wasn't just all talk. He was as skilled as the MC, just in a different way that wasn't quite as useful in this particular instance.
Her brother was the true hero of the film.
Yup, this Prey's Predator might've have been a dumb hunter but was the fricker tanking so many hits. It was bitten, punched, thrown, stabbed, shot through the entire film by animals and people.
I think this guy gave him fatal injures too.
maybe the prey predator has their equivalent of down's syndrome. he looks weird, has moron strength, so they sent him to earth thinking it would an easy hunt and he'd stop pestering them to go with a hunting party and ruin shit for them
I don't have Hulu, where can I watch this? Movie sounds fun, please don't troll
I didn't understand the gun part can anyone explain?
That gun is given to Danny glover at the end of the first movie as a trophy for killing the predator
>at the end of the first movie
Second movie, but everything else is correct. I'd add that its significance in the film was denoting that the Predators have been active on Earth for a very long time. As Danny Glover told Adam Baldwin, "Don't worry butthole, you'll get another chance."
Read the dark horse predator omnibus, the first one is the most quality imo
>shot multiple times with arrows
>stabbed in the torso and foot with spears
>shot several times with muskets
>stepped on a snap jaw trap even if it was a shitty one
>launched himself onto some sharp wooden stakes
>axe to the knee
>several axe chops to the torso
>impaled by his own spear
>mauled by a bear
>bitten by a wolf
>wolf's jaws stabbed into his leg
>cut off his own arm like a dumb ass
>had one of his mandibles ripped off
>choked by a rope
Here I thought the City Hunter got his ass kicked, did I miss anything?
Reminder that most Preds we see are overeager young males, so it makes this one getting so fricked up even more painful. He likely wasn't expecting to get his shit rocked so hard by such a primitive world.
>He likely wasn't expecting to get his shit rocked so hard by such a primitive world.
He must have been a dumbass then, humans are considered some of the best prey in the galaxy second only to the xenomorphs due to human intelligence and tools making up for our physical shortcomings
What about the engineers?
I'm curious whether his choice in mostly primitive-form weaponry is to play fair to the "host" world or if it's indicative of their level of tech at the time. The toys were still top shelf, but not as techno flashy as their later gear.
>choice in mostly primitive-form weaponry
I figured his gear was supposed to indicate that he was a Youngblood or something, Predator culture dictates you have to prove yourself before you get the really good stuff although older more experienced Predators will start to use less and less gear for added challenge
Probably explains why he was so gung-ho. Older predators, I imagine, tend to rely on stealth, observation, and cunning, this guy was straight up trying to 1v1 practically everything by brute force alone. Wolf? Bear? Didn't fricking matter to him. Makes sense that he basically fricked himself over at the end. She's right that he completely underestimated her, but it fit his personality. He didn't suddenly dumb down, he fricked himself by being so aggro.
The director said the feral predator was a different race on their homeworld, a desert region in the southern hemisphere
jungle hunter from predator 1 always seemed to me to be an experienced hunter, he had light armor and only used wristblade or plasma caster.
city hunter seemed more like a younger pred on one of his first hunts, he had more armor and used a lot more weapons.
the pred in Prey fought naked, minus the bone mask. he was doing well up until the last act where he suddenly whent full moron
>until the last act where he suddenly whent full moron
It makes sense though
Imagine you are the Feral Predator, it's your first time on earth and you're having a good time hunting the local wildlife
Sure that bear thing smacked you around a bit but that made killing it all the more satisfying and a worthy trophy
Then you see these little ape like things but they've got weapons, these should be a fun little diversion to hunt right?
Only these fricking monkey things manage to shoot you with arrows and stab you with their spears while you're cloaked, it's like the fricking things can still see you
Then these other monkey things show up and they stink to high heaven and speak in some fricked up mush mouth language and they don't even have the decency to be scared of you and instead have the audacity to set a trap for you and even when that doesn't work out they don't run away they keep fighting you
You kill most of them and take another look around their camp when one of the other monkey things comes in on the back of a horse screaming bloody murder, shooting you with more arrows, and impales you with your own god damned spear
You stab it through the chest but it stabs you in the leg instead of dying and your other prey gets away
At this point you're pissed, you are anger personified and almost at your limit since your hunting trip has gone totally off the rails
You manage to track down one of your escaped prey because it was dumb enough to start a fire and as you take a moment to try and relax you get shot in the back of the fricking head by one of those monkey's that came out of nowhere and it runs off with your mask
Now you are seething, literally seeing red as your anger gets the best of you and you just want to chase this thing down and kill it
TLDR version, dude had a rough day and eventually just lost it and that was his downfall
>Neca Predators
Nice, looks like they were taken out of the films with those sculpts.
These guys have technology, which means they have factories, which means they have jobs
Your average 9-5 predator might not be able to afford a fancy trip to Earth to hunt humans, it might only be the rich predators we come across
or it could be like "ooo weee i been saving up for a trip to Earth, gonna spend the weekend hunting humans"
I am now imagining Yautja as the bored rich kids of the galaxy. Why have you done this to me?
>or it could be like "ooo weee i been saving up for a trip to Earth, gonna spend the weekend hunting humans"
100% the one in Predator is the Yautja equivalent of a guy living in a broken down trailer that drives an $80K pickup.
Yeah that is kind of their thing. For all the ritual and honor they have about the whole hunting thing they're ultimately just the alien equivalent of big-game hunters who kills for no reason other than bragging rights and the fun of it.
>they're ultimately just the alien equivalent of big-game hunters who kills for no reason other than bragging rights and the fun of it.
I'd honestly love to see some media about the Predator's trying to hunt something that's actually above them on the food chain. Not necessarily a xenomorph but something that kicks their shit in on a daily basis. Something that takes the fun out of the hunt and could actually wipe the Predators out.
I was picturing a predator on an alien forest planet hunting a 10 foot tall wookie sasquatch type of alien
>Something that takes the fun out of the hunt and could actually wipe the Predators out.
There be but one beastie terrible enough for this task.
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Predator in South Africa, think something along the lines of Naked Prey, but with a Predator. Hell turn the hunter into the hunted. A predator crash lands in South Africa, stripped of everything, he's prostrated before some spear chucker king and made to run for his life while being hunted by spear chuckers.
Predator: Nemesis - Victorian Gentleman and former soldier confronts an old nemesis from the wilds of the Indian subcontinent after it makes its way to London.
Predator: Blood Feud - Blind martial artist fights a Predator his ancestor once battled centuries before in Tokugawa/Edo Period Japan.
Predator: Concrete Jungle, Cold War, Dark River - Follows Dutch's brother John Schaefer as he battles several Yautja, to include one he drives insane by nearly killing but letting live in the Amazon.
AVP, AVP: War, AVP: Three World War - Saga of Machiko Noguchi.
Predator: The Bloody Sands of Time - Yautja shows up in the killing fields of World War I and wreaks havoc on both the Germans and the French.
Big Game is cool because the predator looks completely fricking nuts and it's got 90's comic book gore. I love the look of this predator. Makes me imagine a predator that is less of a hunter and more of a mentally insane spree killer
or the bad blood pred
Kuma Wins.
that bear better be recognized by the yautjas
A group of them later solemnly presented the bear with several dozen picanic baskets.
Must be some kind of cyborg super bear like the one that appeared in Love Death and Robots recent season
Nah she was a Kodiak Grizz who got mad because the Predator either attacked or killed one of her cubs.
Why do they keep making the new versions look more and more like the original scrapped design?
>The first problems came in during Van Damme’s first fittings. “Jean-Claude comes in and we’re fitting him in this red suit and just assuming, like the slaves that we are, that the higher ups have told him exactly what’s going on,” Johnson recalled, “but he thought this was actually the real look of the monster in the movie and he was, ‘I hate this. I hate this. I hate it. I look like a superhero.’ He was so angry! I’m like, ‘Jean-Claude, did no one tell you? It’s a cloaking device. You’re invisible for half of the picture. This is not you’; which made him even angrier because he thought he could do his martial arts, he could fight Arnold Schwarzenegger. He didn’t realize that he was just kind of a stunt man, right? We get him out there for the first shot and he’s just seething. We got him in at lunch and you could see his eyes through the rubber muscles of the neck and he’s like, ‘I hate this head. I hate it. I hate it. Hate it.'”
I liked Alien vs Predator. It wasn’t good, but it was fun, had some cool scenes and neat concepts.
AvP: Requiem was dogshit, but it gets credit for not pulling any punches with victims. The cute kid and the pregnant women both get turned into hosts for xenomorphs.
You can look up chris chan's biography.
Predator mods for Starfield
It'll be amazing.
My body is ready.
It's funny how even the most cynical of reviewers think the controversy on this movie is completely phoned in.
I can't wait for the anti-woke outrage homosexualry dies. This cult-like mentality needs to go.
How come a Predator never gets confused and attacks in the middle of a major sporting event like the Superbowl?
Also what's their home planet like? Is it cybertechy and the ones going on hunts are basically just innawoods nutbags like the kind of person that owns a deerblind?
the predator home planet, or a planet they have a colony on. was briefly seen in Aliens vs Predator: requim.
it's a hot planet, and yeah it looked a cybertech version of the aztek pyramids
>How come a Predator never gets confused and attacks in the middle of a major sporting event like the Superbowl?
Predators almost always target individuals or appear in remote areas where they're unlikely to encounter many humans gathered in large numbers.
And even the youngest and most green-behind-the-ears Youngblood isn't going to attack a stadium full of humans.
They're ugly but also highly intelligent.
They recognize warriors/soldiers from others.
Also, keep in mind the weapons they use for hunt are far less lethal then the ones used for war.
>Also, keep in mind the weapons they use for hunt are far less lethal then the ones used for war.
Have we ever seen the Predators go to war? I can't imagine any army on Earth being able to stand up to a proper military force
I imagine their military culture would still be heavily oriented around glory chasing
The City Hunter in Predator 2 was able to figure out a toy gun was harmless and left a kid alone. I'm sure they'd figure out sportsball is relatively harmless. Now nude greco roman oil wrestling on the other hand...
Aliens vs WildCats
had the xeno's being able to use their host ability
now imagine a xeno hulk
>Xeno Hulk vs Predator Hulk vs Actual Hulk.
I'm still pretty bummed that Stormwatch got killed off in another team's Alien crossover comic. Especially since several of the deaths were off-panel.
Is Scarface from the dark blade clan (The protagonist of Predator: concrete jungle ps2 game) the only strongest and nonjobber predator depicted in video games and films?
Every Predator vidya protagonist is a non-jobber on account of being a player character, except maybe the one from Primal Hunt but he was stealth killed by the Alien protagonist so it’s understandable.
Scarface is definitely in a league of his own, though.
Check it out, I’m gonna post it again.
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5325
This is a list of Alien, Predator and AvP comics, all of which can be found online. Read the entire post and have fun.
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>Predator in Ancient Greece
>Heracles
>Theseus
>Perseus
>Achilles
>Bellerophon
>Their myths are just exaggerations of killing a Predator or in Bellerophon's case joyriding one of their ships.
why'd they butcher the new Pred's face so bad? How hard is it to keep to something established?
Because they are silly dancing morons who can’t understand a good thing when they see it and so must violate whatever they touch with their malformed Hollywood wieners.
God i hope the next Cali fires start in Hollywood.
You people are such histrionic drama queen homosexuals. He's a different race of predator. It doesn't look any more dopey than the original
It just looks weird, no soul like the originals/normals.
>no soul
Christ, what a homosexual
I have to wonder if that's intentional. There's a humanity to the originals' eyes. To help make this one just straight up a big bad, it seems like a good idea. I know I wanted this ugly motherfricker(god dammit....) to die, unlike I typically do.
There is no humanity to the originals sunken in eyes at all.
>no humanity to the originals sunken in eyes at all.
>Does a fricking super villian laugh before it nukes the entire area
What does him mimicking Billies laugh have to do with his eyes?
Because it humanises him. He goes from alien to just a vindictive butthole
The narrative explanation is entirely irrelevant. Predator is not a real creature, it is an idea in the minds of millions and has been for decades. When that idea is so shamelessly perverted, people are going to dislike it, and rightfully so.
They didn’t even make the effort of making it look cool/a natural evolution of the Predator body plan like the City Hunter or Berserker, it just looks like an entirely different thing. Had you shown me that image without context I don’t think I would have recognised it as a Predator, and I’m a nut for the franchise.
You're being a homosexual. This is easily the coolest predator since the jungle hunter in the first one, this not something "shamelessly perverted" you histrionic drama queen.
>This is easily the coolest predator since the jungle hunter in the first one
If by “cool” you mean “entirely different” I might just be inclined to agree with you.
>histrionic drama queen
You already used that phrase once, you’re not allowed to just use it again. You’re like those people who use semicolons in every other sentence because they just found out what they are and think using them makes them look sophisticated.
City Hunter was by far the coolest predator
>I don’t think I would have recognised it as a Predator, and I’m a nut for the franchise.
It has the face tusks, the skin pattern, the dreads, and the mouth and you wouldn't recognize it?
It just looks like a Squeaky Voiced Teen of the species to me.
I think it's not a bad idea to introduce a bit more variety into Predator designs, and admittedly this face doesn't look as bad as I thought it was from the few quick glances in the film— I still think it looks kind of goofy/generic.
Though at least it's not falling into the same trope a majority of aliens in popular fiction do where an entire species has little to no variation in appearance, culture, etc.
I know there have been plenty of different armor types, but have there been any other distinctly different face/body designs that don't just come down to art style or scarring?
>I know there have been plenty of different armor types, but have there been any other distinctly different face/body designs that don't just come down to art style or scarring?
Yes. A lot.
Jungle hunter was a mottled mixture of yellow, brown and black with a face covered in black freckles and hairs. Orange eyes are sunken and hateful. The quintessential predator from which all others are derived.
City Hunter was red with more intricate skin patterns. The forehead was more upright and had more ridges, looking less fleshy and more scaly. His mouth was smaller but had more tusks. More human-like green eyes.
Greyback (P2 elder) had different colouration, possibly because of old age. Less reptilian that Jungle Hunter but possessed unique spikes/thorns on his forehead.
AvP predators were brawnier and had larger tusks and mandibles, going by Scar’s design. Most human-like eyes of all predator interpretations, likely because Scar played a protagonist role. Definitely not my favourite appearance but looks MUCH better in the Hot Toys interpretation.
Berserker speaks for himself. I actually quite liked his weird fleshy design, long dreadlocks, slanted facial features and enormous mandibles, but I can see why it got bad reception.
Wolf had large, spiky forehead ridges and a generally gnarled, older look than other predators.
And that’s just the movies. There’s plenty of other appearances in comics if you go looking for them. Picrel has been floating around the internet for over a decade now, some designs are definite misses but others are really nice.
And then there’s the “predator” from Prey, who looks like what you would get if you told a person who never saw Predator to draw the predator based only on a verbal description.
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So how long until Disney does Alien vs Predator?
the predator's toughest hunt yet
Do the comics ever expand on Predator society? I've always wondered what a full on war would be like in a Predator society.
Like, not aliens engaging in a hunt, but professionally trained soldiers actually trying to kill their enemy. Imagine how different a predator soldier would be compared to their average hunter.
There's a RTS game with military Pred units
PREDATOR VERSUS ANY HUMAN ERA
BUT THE PREDATOR WINS
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Karl Urban Judge Dredd versus Predator.
Didn't those comics have a female judge as a descendant of Dutch in it?
I'm starting to notice that most Predator comics are just about humans who LARP as preds.
I enjoyed the movie. It was a fun watch. Not sure about any other lore, but once a year I do a rewatch of all the movies.
Is the movie any good? I only ever liked the first one which is a 7/10 and I think I have fond memories of that movie with a guy using a samurai sword or something?
I used to love this series, but It's kind of rough having to cope with the fact that these guys consistently get their asses kicked when they try to punch down at humans.
Once or twice, okay. But now they just seem kind of dumb.
If you can get it cheap Predator Hunting Grounds can help you vent some of that frustration
I like to rationalise it by imagining all the successful hunts preds go on that we simply don’t see because they involve predators winning. Jungle Hunter, for instance, made a name for himself by successfully hunting hundreds of men. I mean, look what he did to Hopper and his team. His final hunt was a rare loss, and even then Dutch lost his men and only survived by the skin of his teeth.
I actually hate when people lose, frick the Black person predators.
I see your shame