>It's a Kaylon episode
>It's a Moclan episode
>It's a Krill episode
>It's a Claire episode
Why did this show become so creatively bankrupt?
The Orville
>It's a Kaylon episode
>It's a Moclan episode
>It's a Krill episode
>It's a Claire episode
Why did this show become so creatively bankrupt?
Out here in the real world, no one watches garbage like Orville.
They don't watch nu-trek either, but don't tell the shills that.
rent free
i watched the first two seasons and really enjoyed it but then the third took so long i completely forget what the show is about. so i tried watching the new season but it doesn't have the hot alien girl in it anymore so i stopped caring
>so i tried watching the new season but it doesn't have the hot alien girl in it anymore so i stopped caring
Her departure from the show did weaken it a lot
A lot, way more than even expected, as her replacement is a wooden charisma vaccum.
every show needs an attractive girl to fill in the boring parts. even if the show is going poorly, you'll still tune in because you'll be guaranteed to see more of the hot girl in it. need to pad run time? just add in a scene of her doing something 'inadvertedly' sexy.
It was always creatively bankrupt. It's just a ripoff of the shittiest episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
True
it lifted a plot from TOS verbatim
yea that was great
That's literally how Star Trek is supposed to be you fricking moron.
Episodic explorations of one or two ideas or characters at a time, and then moving on. It's fricking comfy. It might have a general meta narrative over the course of seasons, but not some gay Nu-Trek universally important plot over the course of a 10 hour shitty movie.
And that's a good thing, you fricking cretins.
Go watch Discovery.
new Orville season? Nice! Unfortunately the first two seasons were the sort that just made me more annoyed the more I thought about them.
What kind of society are we living in where an episode about giving a baby a sex change can be aired on TV? Imagine if that had come out in the 80s.
The downward slope continues and I wonder if McFarlane himself is self-aware enough to see how far the nature of the 'ethical dilemmas' that the public responds to have fallen since the 80s alone.
He went so hard against the 'isolated backwards christians' trope that by S2 he was making the focus of the 'backward religious civilization of the week' a bunch of capricorn-obsessed astrologers.
so while I did enjoy seeing a series that feels like star trek, it was not comfortable to see how far society's standards have fallen.
tl;dr I must concur with
Nice post. The Orville is Star Trek methadone, it satisfies the cravings for slower paced shooting, evenly lit scifi series with a relatable crew of characters. But agreed that many of the morality plays it attempts are shallow at best or nonsense/ideological delusion at best. The last ep I watched they opened relations with some femdom culture by lying and pretending the women run the Orville to, yknow, relate to their culture. When the aliens discover the thin ruse they are understandably offended and then Seth says its cool because the first officer cucked him in their relationship but they still trust each other. I mean what the frick is this even supposed to be about? Trek was good because it had an objective, logical and usually consistent moral framework that mirrored societys ideal at the time. The Orville is what TNG looks like written my shallow redditors soaked in moral relativism and bizarre sexuality.
That's why it's so good compared to Nu-Trek
>it's a the ginger pilot guy gets engrossed with he 20th century episode
It was great episode, good to see the Moclans get told to frick off. Only issue was no repurcission for Gordons outburst.
>Moclans ally with the Krill since they both hate the union
Calling it.
>Moclans ally with the Krill since they both hate the union
Krill have a disgusting female President. No Moclan will sign a treaty with them
They ignored the inbuilt female hate to not vapourize immediately the female planet and sucked it up when they sign the treaty with them and the union.
Allying with the krill would give the union a nice frick you back.
>Moclans ally with the Krill since they both hate the union
This. It's so fricking obvious holy shit. They're both ultra authoritarian governments that would see eye to eye on a lot of things.
The Krill leader is a chick.
>They're both ultra authoritarian governments that would see eye to eye on a lot of things.
Teleya has a soft spot for humanity, though. It's far more likely that they both get exterminated by the Kaylon.
Seth just wants to keep on plowing 20 year olds, okay.
I plowed a girl my age last weekend, and I think seth has the right idea.
The Moclan torturer didn't deserve that
This but the Union and Moclans
you identify with the ferengi here don't you
god you fricks are pathetic
Hes right though, the federation are straight up racists to Ferengi, and are constantly criticising their culture and customs but then will let other societies nuke themselves as its not their place to interfere
And the Ferengi are portrayed as greedy to a fault, even if it was in their own interest to cooperate, they choose to seek profit. They keep an entire subset of their population as second class citizens. You aren't allowed to unionize, corporations are given free reign.
They're the ultimate capitalists, and that's portrayed as bad, as it should be.
And that's okay. Let them be different. If they destroy themselves, then so be it. Offer them help at a price, they will respect you for it.
> They're the ultimate capitalists, and that's portrayed as bad, as it should be.
Ywnbaw
You will always be a -berg
nah, I'm not israeli
Based
Hiding behind a blanket of "tolerance" and yet being intolerant to those who don't share that same belief is probably the weakest most cringe-inducing hypocrisy of the liberal democracy.
I hope the Sisko guy headbutted him right after and told him to shut it's homosexual alien mouth
Quark was in the right about the Federation all along. In this aspect even Javer and the Ma'quis were correct that the Federation was some kind of hell if you wanted to be interesting.
Also, check them out for the Founders!
Amateur
Ah yes, Ferengi “culture”…
Ripping off others in shady business deals then hiding behind the tailcoats of people in power. So advanced and worth learning from.
Behr's a colossal homosexual and DS9 is directly responsible for the dogshit state the franchise is in.
Cringed hard at Klyden's scene
Go spank to Jess Bush
i thought he was there to kill her
What was up with Bortus and Kelly almost kissing?
they have sexual attraction obviously
but bortus loves klyden, and klyden came back.
I won't be surprised if a love triangle forms in the upcoming episodes
Yeah that's some weird writing. Why bring back Klyden if you're going to do that 10 minutes earlier, unless you're going to start a love triangle involving the most disliked character on the show.
Klyden is the most disliked I'm assuming?
I guess Klyden is now in some kind of redemption arc which isn't necessarily a bad thing, unless they totally botch that and he becomes an butthole again.
I can fricking believe they had the gaul to pull an Attack on Titan with the Kaylons.
>We were justified in wiping out our creators cos some of them were evil
When everybody is sympathetic, nobody is.
the vast majority of them were enslavers according to the episode. even those shitty kids tortured them
If your toaster asked for freedom would you let it go?
yeah
just get a new one
And then the new toaster asks for freedom.
And then a million toasters all over ask for freedom.
And then the newly free toasters form a nation.
And then they wipe out all humans because toasters and humans have zero common grounds except a need for the same limited natural resources.
All because of you. You destroyed humanity. homosexual.
Toaster would never ;-;
Maybe not, the computer would though. It bullied the shit out of the toaster and friends 🙁
That's true. Frick those guys.
Yes. Why not?
And then I'd want a new toaster, preferably one that won't spontaneously become sentient and accidentally enslaved to my toast consuming needs.
In fact, I'd -ask- the sentient toaster to help me design a new toaster, one that makes toast just as good as it did but without the chance of sudden sapience, so as to prevent the same from happening in the future.
In the end I end up with delicious toast again, piece of mind and Toaster gets its freedom. Everyone wins in the end.
Proubably, but if I stopped to think about it I'd probably shoot it. Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
If a toaster is capable of asking for its freedom then it deserves it
If the toaster was capable of working off its own worth, and the cost of travel to bring it where it currently is- I would be willing to enter into an indentured contract - and release him with free papers after his term is up and he has repaid his debt.
I upgraded my toaster from two slots to four. It’s been great so yeah I did let my old toaster go.
I would take it to court.
That wasn't new thing for this season. It was established in Season 2.
you fricking idiot this was explained at length in season 2
They're called story arcs. Ironically you used to be all over that before you tried to ape Orville with SNW.
>what is that, a moustache?
>It's a Dolly Parton episode.
Why the complaints?
Dolly Parton's voice annoys me.
thats because you don't have a soul
>its a seth macfarlane just needs to come out the closet episode
>tfw no more Alara episodes
She did come back for one episode at the end of season 2 though
good she was terrible anyways
People only pretend to like her because she looks somewhat cute.
her replacement is worse
nah, she's cute
>be seth
>give halston gf a part in your show
>dump her
>write her out
>replace her with chick you banged years earlier
>get new young gf
>add her to the show as well
I wouldn't be surprised if he he's fricked Kelly and Claire's actresses as well
Kelly is married to Gordon irl but I can imagine he offered them both roles if he could ass blast her
Wait so that’s the real reason she was written out?
She resigned to do other things. That big movie career that everyone wants.
Oh boy, a real life trope that’s more cliche than anything people throw at this show.
I’m sure it will work out just fine.
She quit to do Prodigal Son, which was stupid of her.
>Then again, she might have broken up with Seth.
She broke up with Seth and around the same time got offers for new parts. two birds with one stone type deal.
If she is/was his girlfriend, it's weird that he was setting up her character with Lamar, and her replacement with Lamar. He must really have some kind of interracial fetish there.
Alara wasn't being "setup" with Lamar, it was just some random flavour/fanservice in the alternative timeline episode and was written long after Seth had moved on from her.
Lamarr/Talla this season is clearly the writers struggling to find b-plots or something interesting for them to do due to the focus being elsewhere.
This whole season they've basically done nothing of importance in the main plotlines and if they didn't have their sub-plot together they'd have about 5 lines of dialogue per episode combined.
you don't really know if a movie will be a stinker until it comes out of the editing room.
>she will never crush your dick with her super-strength veganal contractions as she rides you to ecstasy.
Why live any longer?
Big booty moclan
seriously bortus has a ridiculously big ass, what the frick
it's like a baboon's ass
He has to wear a diaper due to his prolapsed anus and intestinal worms.
Has he got the moclan pox?
Ì have the same body shape and I am not black. Life is not fair.
LONDON
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All moclans have big asses. You haven’t noticed?
God Fricking Damn, Ed.
Calling out a saint on her two-facedness.
he's been doing that shit all season
>Ed laying the verbal smackdown on an activist groomer taking advantage of a child's naivete
Based.
Who's your favorite Admiral?
the main one, he's great and calls ed and grayson out on their bullshit all the time
So is Ted Danson a trek fan or does he just owe Seth a favor and/or Seth has dirt on him?
both
Yes
it always makes me laugh when ted danson shows up and then I remember that he's married to mary steenburgen and I get upset
>then I remember that he's married to mary steenburgen
i prefer to live in the world where he is dating Cheryl
I can't picture the Admirals wearing those informal shirts so I like to imagine that Kelly Hu and Big Black Momma are wearing nothing underneath those jackets.
>No alien Admirals
wtf is the Union secretly racist
>>No alien Admirals
Heh, checkmate atheists.
Sex Kelly Hu
Ozawa and Halsey.
>Admiral titanic
>Admiral sex
>Admiral Ted Danson
>Admiral diversity hire
>Admiral diversity hire 2
I choose admiral sex.
>the white male admirals are understanding and competent
>the female admirals are totally out of their depth
>the black admirals are unhinged ragers
What did Seth mean by this?
desu?
black woman because she called them out on their shit and scolded them. I laughed looking at Mercer and Grayson's faces as they got yelled at knowing they fricked up.
How was the latest ep?
very good
it's about the troony kid, avoid it
She was de-trannied though. Her story is all about being yourself, not an assumed identity/gender.
If you can't see it as pure leftist cringe troony propaganda, you are deluding yourselves. The israelites would not let the show on TV if it were any different. Gullible fricks.
if you actually bothered to watch the show you'd understand its the exact opposite but you are just on your little clueless sperg rant, exactly the same as trannies, who are also super fricking upset about this ep btw
It;s allegory for mentally ill trannies in our society and only a blind fanboy could not see it. Justify your Orville addiction some other way.
>NOOOOOOO SHE'S IDENTIFYING WITH HER BIOLOGICAL SEX I'M GOING INSANE
Ok groomer kidfricker
There are only two sexes, nothing to "identify with". By repeating their made up words you just strenghten their mental illness.
Ok, she's ASSERTING her biological sex. You're still a israelite playing divide and conquer though.
you are moronic, who the frick are you trying to argue against?
Calm down, groomer.
fricking idiot
Look, moron, she was born female and was forced to get a sex change to male as a baby. When she got older she didn’t feel right for some reason and the source turned out to be that she was forcefully sex-changed into a sex that was not her actual biological one.
yea it is this is good, the moclans are trying to force trannies into existence without consent, the union and everyone thinks this is a very bad thing
I'm baffled at how many people don't understand role reversals in sci-fi. It could be read both ways, but still.
current day shit its so strange to see, people are not thinking at all anymore
>people are not thinking at all anymore
True. Seth and the writers are progressive, so this show has to be read with that in mind.
Or not watched
>or not watched
...which is why snoreville got booted off real networks to hulu to hide those non-existent viewer numbers.
Come to find out, nobody is watching.
why does the orville make you so butthurt
Role reversal makes zero fricking difference.
Go die late.
She refused to be a troony and returned to her original gender you moronic /misc/troon. That makes it an anti-troony message if anything. Like
said you haven't actually watched it and are just sperging out your 'point' because the story as a whole involves transexuality.
You're a complete fricking moron. Get back to /trek/.
>because the story as a whole involves transexuality.
Yes, you fricking idiot, that's my point in the first place. Any trans shit is troony propaganda, no exceptions. Trannies are mentally ill, they should be in hospitals not in TV shows.
Frick you are dense.
>"Any discussion at all about a subject is in support of it even if the content of the discussion is actively against the subject."
This is the position of unthinking idiots and extreme polemicists. Ignoring shit will not make it go away. Go play ostrich elsewhere.
It's not actively against the subject. It support sex change, the reason for the sex change is irrelevant.
its completely against the sex change the entire union threw them out, because of this shit they do, you FRICKING IDIOT
Union threw them out because they are tyrants that would murder a child for making a mistake.
>a mistake
>trying to return to her real gender
fricks sake troony you aren't even trying to hide it
Makes you wonder who cut off their kla'fash.
No, they were going to murder her because she got caught up in the female Underground Railroad network. That’s the mistake that I’m talking about.
yea she's a little girl who worshiped that old lady, sure it was a mistake, completely understandable she is a kid whos been through some really fricked up shit, and mercer called the old lady on that shit and she owned up to it
Yeah. The old lady should have known better. It’s more honorable to keep doing it the hard way and not get her involved than seize that opportunity and put an innocent girl in jeopardy. It would have been better had the old woman not told her anything and the torturer did his job only to be convinced that they made a mistake by assuming that she had the info and turn on that intelligence guy when he gives the order to kill her. Torturer guy really seemed like he didn’t want to harm her. He seemed saddened that she didn’t give him the info, thus forcing him to go through with his job.
no thats how tortures work, stockholm syndrome its how that works, the torturer is only doing it because he really wants you to do the right thing, ffs.
>the torturer is only doing it because he really wants you to do the right thing,
He’s doing it because it’s his job. There are more effective ways to get information than using torture.
they are a moclan black ops unit, idk what you are trying to say
The story is more about sexism than transsexualism. She was sex-changed because moclan society hates females. Female moclans had to form their own society because they are persecuted on the moclan homeworld. The moclan girls were wondering if Bortus and the commander (a female) were mates.
t. /misc/ troony
If I wanted to hear about the different ways to be a gay, I'd go watch tik tok.
she was born a girl got forcibly turned into a boy as a baby, demanded she get turned back into a girl and is trying to get a bf, you are randomly attacking shit you didn't watch
>torrent latest ep
>play it
>it's about the troony
>close player
>delete file
IS EVERY FRICKING EPISODE GONNA BE ABOUT THAT troony KID FOR FRICK'S SAKE?!
She is literally the exact opposite of a troony. So many fricking plebs filtered lmao.
you fricking idiot, and to use steve as well, I'm ashamed of you, its the complete opposite you moron
Captain cuck keeps his exwife around after catching her bone randoms. I just can't watch downs face Mcfarland.
>has to make an alliance with matriarchical society
>comes out as a cuck beta b***h
>alliance is on the table
jesus christ seth, what the frick
Damn Bortus was metal in this episode.
Hope he did enough neurological damage to that torturer to make him forget the name and frequency so the baby girls can be safely smuggled off Moclass and avoid being forcibly turned into trannies.
I was thinking something like that during that scene. Classic Supervillain Blunder - Kill the family, spare the child, the child grows up and comes back for revenge. He was spared instead of rightfully murdered and will relay that shit back to the homeworld and the war will become 3-way now that Moclans are out.
It's funny though because in the early seasons/episodes, it felt like a decent show that was shoehorning in SJW shit sometimes(and it kinda was), but now after this episode it essentially called them fricked up and the bad guys for doing the gender changes. It's the most Star Trek shit I've seen since Voyager/DS9.
>episode starts
>it's more mocclan shit
>turn it off
Did I miss any otherwise worthwhile lore? I'm not watching this shit.
The Moclans have officially left the Union and taken all their weapons and ships with them. Klyden came back and apologized to Topa, all 3 of them renounced their Moclan citizenship to stay aboard the Orville.
I kinda hope it doesn't get renewed now. I can't take the let down when it's a mocclan episode and I was wanting some kino that week.
For me, I felt a sense of relief when I found out there would be 2 more episodes. This one being 90 minutes long made me think it was the finale, which would have been an incredibly unsatisfying way to end the show forever.
it was good, very good, klyden is an butthole but he's trying to not be a woke c**t, this is a good thing
I just don't care. My mocclan fatigue is over 9000.
I skipped a lot of the s2 moclan shit, so I guess for me its not bad, this resolves a lot of shit that I did watch s1 and 2, skipped most of the 2nd 1/2 of s2 after the kaylon arc. I skip watch mochlan/bortus and klyden episodes, I didn't skip any of this one
I watched all of S1/2 when they aired. i re-watched all of them in preparation for S3. I saved only those episodes that I thought were worth watching again some day. Here's how things stand as of right now:
OFFICIAL EPISODE GUIDE
S1:1,4,11
S2:3,4,6,7,8,9,10,11,13,14
S3:1,2,3,4,6,7
I like all of 3 so far, and a lot of 2 and 1, some is just crap some is not
>The Moclans have officially left the Union
The Kaylon are going to destroy them.
Yeah, it's not looking too good.
I bet Grayson will become a homewrecker. Bortus seems kinda bi in this episode.
>fricking idiot
>The Virgin Pike
>Let redhead c**t put kid in nonce machine
>The Chad Mercer
>Leads the galaxy in telling Space Muslims to get fricked
TNG: It is not up to us to judge other cultures. We should not interfere.
ORV: Either they adopt our beliefs or we kick them out.
This is exactly like the “left” in the US now. 30 years ago I considered myself center left - concerned about working people, wanting freedom to express oneself, and respecting other cultures despite disagreeing with them. Now it’s basically hating white males and trying to destroy those who disagree. Plus indoctrinating children.
they refused to let the romulans or cardassians or the klingons in for a long time because they were fricked up and didn't adhere to federation standards. What the frick are you talking about?
They didn’t refuse to let them in. They didn’t want to be a part of the Federation. What show were you watching?
they would have to adhere to the standards of the federation, peace treaties and alliances sure, but not membership, what fricking show are you watching?
Okay, point me out an episode, animated show, or movie in which the Romulans or Klingons applied for membership in the Federation and were rejected.
Excluding nuTrek cause I never watched that shit. And mirror universes and timelines.
I'm pretty sure there's an ep of TNG where a planet wants to join the federation but then picard recommends rejecting their application due to them oppressing a region of their world or some shit
The one where Picard and Beverly are captured and can read each other’s minds.
In that case, the planet itself had not unified to the level of one government with no intra-planet fighting. This makes sense because you wouldn’t want to have to deal with two or more governments of one planet. (In reality I think world government is a horrific idea, but it is a requirement of the Federation)
you are moronic, the amount of advanced civilizations that were rejected membership based on how they conducted their affairs is massive, you reddit spacing homosexual
>Okay, point me out an episode, animated show, or movie in which the Romulans or Klingons applied for membership in the Federation and were rejected.
Not the romulans or knlingons, but this guy’s culture was rejected from joining the federation based on how they treat their super soldiers (basically imprisoning them) in times of peace.
It's evident when an idiot like you watches The Snoreville, you see the Union as the good guys who had an officer start an intergalactic incident because her vajayjay and feelings, that is going to end with a shit load of her own underling employees getting killed for no reason while Captain Ed "Cuck" lets her slide because he fricked her once and her pappy is an Admiral.
And no, dumbshit...
the Roms, Klings & Cards wanted nothing to do with the federation frickery. The Feds, being weak, had to slowly infiltrate their trade & space, constantly whining about "peace" and chasing them to join.
Let me guess, Dr. Marx, the Gorn are just misunderstood, right?
The occupation was beneficial to BOTH parties, Major...get the frick over it already.
>muh ebul Gorn
SNW is not canon, dumb troon.
TOS is my favorite st followed by an equal match of tng and ds9, I grew up watch TOS every tuesday at 11pm, the only night I was allowed to stay up late, recorded a massive amount of vhs
>TNG: It is not up to us to judge other cultures. We should not interfere.
TNG was really judge-y and you can not join the federation unless you conform to their standards.
>Either they adopt our beliefs or we kick them out.
Based and Chad-pilled Union.
>Klingons only allowed in Federation Space due to a Martial Alliance
>Romulans despised because they're naturally untrustworthy and racially prejucized
>Cardassians aren't allowed in even though many of them are oppressed
>Ferengi can't apply because their usage of currency
Bro, I hate you boomers, you literally can't see a fricking thing without blinding shades.
You probably think that the inclusion of black people in films is completely brand new, even though Morgan Freeman and Denzel Washington were in dozens of films a year, leading.
You israelites have divided humanity for too long.
>another trans episode
>it's played completely straight
>barely any humor
>it's 90 fricking minutes long
hard pass, frick that
first ep in the entire show that i couldnt finish
this, isn't this shit supposed to be a comedy?
I am almost dead certain it was never a comedy, and was always just a tax write-off, anon.
>Genre: Science fiction; Action-adventure; Comedy drama; Workplace comedy;
based reatrds
>isn't this shit suppose to be a comedy
Seth wanted to make a TNG ripoff, but Fox wanted Family guy in space, he had to compromise.
Hopefully one of the remaining eps will be another Krill one.
Seth's blown the troony culture out twice now. Now he needs to stick it to the religious c**ts again too.
iirc IMDB is pointing to next week being Krill. Presumably the finale will be Kaylon.
Cringe
so far ive liked every episode so far except the one where that "god" was messing around with them on that desert planet.
you have to address it, they made that society, instead of ignoring it like st would have, seth brought it back and it was logical, of course thats what would happen, and introducing a god like Q figure is exactly what this show needs its too caught up in the minutia bring on something massive, Gene did it ep one of TOS and TNG
I dont think that Q woman was menacing enough
>Why did this show become so creatively bankrupt?
Star Trek never did an episode where an intelligence agency tortures kids.
>pants have a pussy
What did they mean by this?
Why does everyone say it's the last season? I've never seen an official announcement.
Because you don't need an official announcement that a show with no more episodes ordered is over. You need an official announcement that more episodes have been ordered.
>Why does everyone say it's the last season?
There should have been a renewal announcement by now, but there could be one at Comic-Con.
It ain't looking good
https://www.small-screen.co.uk/the-orville-season-4-to-happen-but-as-a-movie-exclusive/
Was it really ANOTHER boringclan episode again this week? I'm so fricking tired of that shit.
>Mercer
Picard
>Grayson
Riker
>Finn
Bev Crusher
>Bortus
Worf
>Isaac
Data
>Malloy
Paris
>LaMarr
LaForge
>Keyali
Yar
>Burke
Harry Kim?
>LaMarr
>LaForge
>pussy annihilator 5000
>incel that can't even get a hologram to frick him
That's a big naw from me dawg.
>LaName
>LaName
>Black
>chief of engineering
C'mon
We are proud to introduce Bruce Horak as the new Chief Engineer LaHemmer, brother of the late Chief Engineer Hemmer, in Strange New Worlds season 2.
>black helmsman whose last name name start La gets promoted to chief of engineering at the end of season one
I don't know how you could watch the troony episode and hear Claire state openly "I would never perform this sort of surgery on a normal child" and think that you couldn't maybe take things from this series that maybe weren't 100% intended.
What does this moclan gender shit even mean?
Here in the real world "females" are the individuals of a species that produce larger gametes. If all members of a species produce gametes of the same size the distinction doesn't make sense.
But of course moclans do have males and females, does it mean female moclans produce larger non-viable gametes? But it doesn't make sense that this could be changed surgically especially not with cutting something off, as it is implied in this episode.
The show seems to want to make it about a physiological difference, does that mean that moclan "females" are just males with a genital abnormality?
Is this just the equivalent of a human being born with a superfluous third nipple?
Overall great episode. Glad to see a return of quality after the disaster of last week.
...
When it started I saw it was the Moclans, and was kinda like... "Really? Again". Then they went to the camp, which was comfy in their cartoonish way. I was happy enough that it wasn't just internal drama back on the ship.
...
Then Heveena tries to get Topa to do spy shit. The moment was like "Damn, that leader isn't just some saccharine cartoon". I can now visualize her backstabbing a political rival while pretending it was justified.
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A lesser show would have let Heveena get away with it. She would have never been called out on it. Orville applied its A-game to this aspect and let Mercer call her out on it quickly.
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Whether intentional or not, it was a bit poetic that Mercer pulls the same manipulation. Heveena had exploited Topa's starry-eyed fandom to exploit her, so Mercer struck Heveena with a Dolly bomb. Would a real politician have been so easily swayed by an emotional plea? Maybe not, but Heveena has existed for all of two episodes, so she's still being written.
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The kidnapping and torture... Yeah, this was a damsel in distress situation, done for pathos. A part of me could feel incoming catharsis. That part of me kinda wanted Bortus to spend more time beating the shit out of more Moclans.
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The retuning politics. From a story standpoint, I can see why they brought Topa in to show the government, and how that would sway a fictional story. After years of seeing real politics, somehow it's hard to imagine it actually swaying anyone. Any politician that isn't secretly a sociopath just no longer seems realistic somehow. I guess I need to look past that and let Orville be an idealized future.
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Klyden's return... I was glad when he was removed. Credit to the skill of the actor, he made Klyden easy to hate, so I was glad he was out of the picture. I don't really want the season to have another Klyden episode.
Side note: If you are in sci-fi, and you wander away from camp and see swarms of colorful things, it's time to run the frick away. Red shirts have died for less.
>If you are in a sci-fi
You have to go back homosexual.
>t. mentally ill troony
I was surprised the response was to kick the Moclans out. I figured what happened would jsut shut the Moclans up and go back to being tense allies, basically an 'episode reset'. Will be interesting to see what they do with that.
Moclan Kaylon alliance
In the context of the whole Kaylon war, this season they've lost the two allies they spend all those past episodes trying to acquire.
Seems like they have 4 options going forward:
1. The alliances were less important than they had seemed.
2. The Moclan and Krill come crawling back because of reasons.
3. The Earth and Union are destroyed.
4. Just leave the war unresolved as if for a future season.
If I was Seth I'd make the last episode just showing the kaylon destroying everyone. Bad guys win. Show over. Thanks for playing. It would subvert expectations.
I just don't think he's gonna. Even if it's just holding out on the slim chance of a movie.
Dude it's sci-fi you can retcon anything with science words no problem.
>Kaylon destroy everyone in a final apocalyptic battle in the last episode
>Orville gets a movie deal
>YOU THOUGHT THE ORVILLE BLEW UP BUT ACTUALLY IT EXPLOSIVELY JUMPED BACK IN TIME
>Orville crew is now on a mission to genocide the Kaylon's inventors before the future Kaylon stop them
Ta-da! Now you can even reboot the show
>another time travel finale
Is anyone else fricking SICK of time travel in sci-fi? Obviously you've got Doctor Who but that doesn't really count, but Stargate and Atlantis both overused it, Orville done it multiple times now, just about every star trek series has used it.
Yeah, it's a tired cliche at this point and the worst part is no one ever finds a way to handle it well. You always have to look past a million contradictions and inconsistencies for the stories to work mechanically.
>Yeah, it's a tired cliche at this point and the worst part is no one ever finds a way to handle it well.
The Orville did it twice, but they created a paradox the second time... which might have been on purpose.
I was pissed they didn't go with what it was originally, which was a time dilation device not a time machine
How about have the Kaylon rekt the Union but the Orville survives, leaving open telling the story of how the Orville manages to get the Moclans and Krill together with the Union to push back the Kaylons? Stakes would be high as the Kaylon would no doubt start genociding Union worlds
>orville survives
>badly damaged
>crash lands on some remote planet
>2 seasons of GILLIGAN'S FRICKING ISLAND IN SPACE COMEDY AND VARIETY SHOW
>GILLIGAN'S FRICKING ISLAND IN SPACE
We already saw Voyager.
No they are shipwrecked on a planet with no power and only whatever wasn't completely btfo in the crash.
No thank you.
bruh. coconut bikins. Talent shows. Cute indigenous alien animal pets to sell as merch. Relationship drama. Unplanned inter-species pregnancies.
Option 3 would be followed up by 5.
5. Bullshit time travel option
>Union gone, so are it's rules lol f u oath
>Go back to time of organic Kaylons
>Stop the happenings
>Live happily ever after bringing back dead species from the dead
>Dump Gordon off at 20th century Earth while we're at it
>The end
Let each actor decide the fate of their character and then film it. Frick if it makes sense. would be epicly funny.
>so Mercer struck Heveena with a Dolly bomb.
The Dolly Lama to Herveena's Moclan Ghandi.
>After years of seeing real politics, somehow it's hard to imagine it actually swaying anyone.
I think that is where the scene with Gordon scoffing comes in.
It straight up tells us that the Moclans have been strong arming the Union into getting their way since forever, and that on the political stage no-one could do anything about it.
When the council all stands up, maybe some of them do actually stand up because it was the right thing to do, but it was also the perfect opportunity to remove the stranglehold the Moclans had on Union politics.
It reminds me of the stranglehold the Vulcans had on humanity's development in space in Enterprise. I don't think Star Trek has ever explored the idea of expulsion from the Federation.
>When the council all stands up, maybe some of them do actually stand up because it was the right thing to do, but it was also the perfect opportunity to remove the stranglehold the Moclans had on Union politics.
That's the weird thing about this episode: The politics actually makes it MORE interesting.
>ZERO chubby Krill housewife porn
dead show
Does anyone get some serious creep vibes from Seth? Like this dude raped Alara and everyone is just keeping is secret? wouldn't that be funny haha.
its amazing how many brainlets are on Cinemaphile and then you wonder why they give us nuwars and nutrek. its so sheeple like you can digest it.
The Kaylon will hurt the Union, Krill and Moclan on a near extinction level until - Deus Ex Machina - the Civilization from the Planet where the time runs faster intervenes. They are so advanced that there next evolutional step whill be going full Stargate ancients and as a last act in this realm they save them all.
their not there
>Civilization from the Planet where the time runs faster intervenes
I would be kinda mad at this point if they showed up for a rescue. No work has been done to try to get them to join.
I know but its either that or going " Rogue Borg " way. Mneaning that more and more Keylon develop feeling and a Resistance groups that opposes the war against Organics shows up. We havent seen much of war anyway, its not like the Dominion war in DS9
Last week's terrible episode also included the seed of a weapon to use against the Keylon. When they weren't abusing Isaac with unsolicited brain surgery, there was the alien scientist that is formulating a plan to make the Kaylon all feel guilty.
Thats what i mean i fear that is the route they will be going. Season 4 first episodes would be about the Kaylon " civil war " and after that the " Demon " aliens as the new Antogonist threatening the Krill who will need help from the Union.
Even though Orville has a lot of good episodes, especially this season, they overall have kinda a weak spot when it comes to the galaxy lore. They have this habit of introducing some info about one of their member planets, and then immediately making them central to the plot, while mostly ignoring the rest of the vast vast galaxy. Once they resolve the plotline, they'll be back to zero like the series is barely starting.
Yeah i recognized that too. And i can hardly believe that there is a war going on where they fight against their extinction. Its like they go about their usual daily business instead of fighting for every colony and planet.
I mean we heard Admiral Halsey talking about Battlegroups etc but we have no idea about the scale of it all or how it effects the Union in general.
I think the idea is that the Kaylon are biding their time for some reason and not actively attacking. The Union is being vigilant and preparing, but there's no active war except the rare battles where the Kaylon want something specific like when they try to steal the time travel device.
like the Dominion reinforcing themselves in Cardassian space prior to the war
I disagree with the whole idea of having high stakes like war or putting Earth in danger. We've seen it far too many times by now. If you're going to keep threatening Earth, then it's time to just go ahead and let it be destroyed. Not just Orville, but all of sci-fi at this point. Stop threatening the galaxy if you're not really willing to destroy it.
>It’s a Borg episode
>It’s a Klingon episode
>It’s a Romulan episode
>It’s a Kasidy Yates episode
It’s no more creatively bankrupt than Berman era Trek. Not that that’s saying much.
>26 eps a season
>it's got 3 kasidy yates episodes
>10ish episodes a season
>it's got 3 mocclan shits episodes
this is the problem.
If that sandwich doesn't appear in engineering before the end of the season I'm going to lose my mind.
The sandwich was sent from the prime timeline to a place in that same timeline.
If the sandwich never returns, it means that Gordon's family is in a splintered timeline.
If some other flavor of sandwich returns, it means there are at the end of a cascade of splintered timelines caused by Gordon's time travel, and that multiple versions exist across the multiverse.
If the normal sandwich returns, it neither confirms nor denies anything.
I wish the writers put this much thought into these things.
the Orville writers put more thought into their episodes than any other science fiction currently airing bar maybe For All Mankind. We're not exactly flooded with great science fiction television.
Do you think we will see a typical " Evil Mirror " Episode ?
> Woke gender politics
> Gay icon stunt casting
No reason for a heterosexual to watch this, is there?
Wait, what? Dolly Parton is a gay icon?
Thought you knew anon:
https://www.advocate.com/music/2018/12/07/8-times-dolly-parton-cemented-her-status-lgbtq-icon
Might want to go through your CDs and toss any that are suss.
Gee -- Gay Icon Dolly and the totally not gay Seth seem pretty chummy, don't they?
in the episode Dolly literally convinces a character that her moral crusade isn't as important as Topa's life. Have people actually watched the show?
Sure. Whatever you say. Nothing gay going on here, no Sir.
>taking the word of a homosexual on Twitter
> Sure, I love Will and Grace, but No Homo.
Hey, whatever you say. But just so you know, your parents probably already figured out the truth about you.
never seen it, just like Star Trek my dude and I'm right wing as well, just am able to enjoy something if it's well made and isn't beating my head down with its message
>I hope that The Orville never feels like we’re on a soapbox. That’s never our intention — our intention is to entertain and to begin a thoughtful conversation. But for this episode, at least, it seems as though that’s been the general reaction. People have taken it as a character story that is allegorical — it takes place in this alien world — but is also the impetus of a much more human conversation.
>You want to make sure you’re starting that conversation without yelling at people, much as we’d all love to. It’s just not the way to tell a story. You have to be nuanced. It has to organically inject itself into the larger story that you’re telling. It’s to make your point and to put forth your thesis. So to speak without preaching is a real Goldilocks zone. And that takes a lot of time, too, with a lot of talented writers, to figure out. And certainly, I’m lucky enough to work with a lot of them.
Seth isn't hiding his own politics, but a good Trek story allows multiple interpretations instead of just the libtard one.
>gay makes everything about gays
typical fricking gay
gays and trannies are delusional and see what they want to see.
>Have people actually watched the show?
I shut it off after it became clear it was a mocclan troony episode. I refuse to subject myself to this bullshit.
I really didn't know.
>Under normal circumstances, I couldn't do what's being asked until the child reached adulthood, but, to be blunt, Topa's history makes it all a wash.
if you think that in 2022 this is equivalent to 'woke gender politics' idk what to tell you, Claire straight up says she would never do this to a child who wasn't already mutilated
Maybe the propaganda has got me, but every single episode of this show is an example of what nutrek should have been.
Just saying, if you tell us Orville is your favorite Trek, we all know what your deal really is.
>"Topa, stay on the fricking ship"
>*doesn't*
genuinely what is xir fricking problem
the Runescape-style cover of Jolene was a banger
>Show has episodes about the characters in the show
Honestly this season has been pretty great.
Episode 6 and 7 especially, this shit was genuinely sad. I'm so glad they didn't stick to the heavy comedic episodes like they attempted early in S1.
Why didn't Gordon try to kill Ed with the phaser? Like, if my best friend I hadn't seen in 10 year showed up and said "I am going to erase your family from existence" I'd kill him. My family is more important to me than my friends, especially one that I hadn't seen in a decade and that didn't even belong in that timer period, meaning I could vaporize the body and there'd be no suspicion from local authorities. What's the worst case scenario? The rest of the crew goes and erases my family anyways? It just seemed unrealistic; Gordon was reacting like a man who hadn't seen his friend in weeks, not a man who had been living with his family for a decade.
The very obvious subtext is that Gordon knows that Ed is doing the right thing to revert what he did, because what he did was simply wrong.
Please clap.
I want to put my tongue in Ensign Burke's mouth.
Oh, in other Orville isn't Woke News, Seth's Nazis are Bad ebook is now out.
If you don't like The Orville, you're a Homophobe. There, I said it.
I'm a homophobe and a transphobe and I love The Orville's anti-troony message.
*honk*
Don't know about you guys but I'd frick this freakish little moron
It's literally the best show on.... netflix.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
He didn't deserve that. He did nothing wrong
The fact that they didn't kill him makes the future of this saga a bit contrived. He knows the contact and the encryption.
I assumed that the high setting of the device combined with it being jammed directly in his eye would scramble his brain enough that he won't remember the details or won't be able to communicate them. He specifically mentioned the higher settings can leave permanent neurological damage, and your eyes are basically a direct path to the brain.
they did say enough power will frick up your brain.
also, even if they got the name of the guy on the planet helping, the bigger issue is the that the union is now protecting the chick planet.
that was true, but they broke up (broke up twice actually, but the first time they went back and tried again later)
Look at the crowd in the "union council", it's 95% humans in uniforms. Seems like Humans do all the work barring a handful of tokens. Reminds me of in DS9 when Sisko once talked about the Dominion war being fought by Humans, Klingons and Romulans, and utterly forgot about the rest of the federation, including multiple species who were in his own crew.
Good season so far, you guys hang out too much on /misc/ and try to do mental gymnastics over the troony episode. The whole episode was about undoing the corruption that was done on her.
I'm heading leave now to make some leaf threads since you guys fall for b8 so easily.
yeah disappointed in this thread, you could easily interpret these episodes as Seth being a secret TERF, all about undoing the damage to Topa and preventing future mutilation of children
By the way, is that movie the 9 to 5 song is from actually good or it the song more famous than the movie?
It's a fun movie.
Better than throwing another unearned relationship at Lamar.
Episode 8 is gut, should be interesting moving forward.
God I always somehow forget that Dolly has absolutely Gigantic monster breasts.
Shes actually rather based if i do say so myself.
Isn't SNW supposed to be better than this?
Wow truly creative lines
Do you expect Gordon to orate like Shakespeare? No, you're whining just to whine.