The Rick and Morty shit was cringe, but you have to admit that it was a soulful movie. Not an ounce of cynicism. The film was anti-nihilistic and pro-family
The Rick and Morty shit was cringe, but you have to admit that it was a soulful movie. Not an ounce of cynicism.
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Their lineage will die out in 30 years, but nothing matters, right redditbros?
>implying the chink girl isn't gonna get artificially inseminated and have a large family of hapas, extending the bloodline in perpetuity
it's pro-sodomy (anti-family by default) but you already know that
EEAAO is mediocrity that celebrates mediocrity. It exists to vindicate the weaknesses of the self-pitying younger generations who watch it and relate to having entitlements about their identities, disdain for conservative family members, existential despair, etc.
The film is designed to answer the audience's expectations and the expectations of our era is endless dopamine and quirky humor that is incapable of sincerity without layers of irony or pop culture references. The directors themselves have described the film as a "cathartic" experience, not a challenging one.
So what you get is a movie of pure cowardice. When confronted with the infinite possibilities of the universe it instead tells people that they're better off retreating inwards and staying inside their own mediocrity since the world is pointless and "confusing" anyways. It conditions people to not aspire towards higher values and instead accept the destitution of the liberal consumerist hellhole we live in.
We're told that everything is meaningless and morality isn't real but then the movie conveniently presents worldly morality as the solution to despair.
It claims our laws and institutions are fake but then depicts the prevailing liberal orthodoxies of our time as the truth, most notably with the lesbian daughter who rejects the traditional cultural values of her family in favor of Western utilitarianism.
Why should we embrace compassion, meekness and liberalism when none of these things inherently mean anything?
The film has no answer, and since it has no rational basis it relies on pure sentimentality and didacticism to convey its message. It's simply high-brow propaganda to numb you from despair for 2 hours but it provides no concrete solutions to nihilism. It's the least revolutionary film ever. As the movie concedes, nothing matters and the universe is too confusing to solve, so don't even bother. Just be a nice person and follow society's laws, like doing your taxes.
That's just eastern philosophy, which is fundamentally meek and self-defeating
Idk if this is pasta but it nails it. I don’t know why people think “love is the answer” constitutes a “soulful” film when its the most generic do-nothing morality lesson we’ve seen in thousands of Hollywood movies. It is essentially nihilistic since the solution its offering is essentially “be happy with what you have”, just give in and give up. Its exactly as “anti-nihilist” as Rick and Morty, it illustrates an incredibly nihilistic and hopeless universe then follows it up with “but muh family” and rolls the credits.
>Just be a nice person and follow society's laws, like doing your taxes.
Ironically the key to solving nihilism and a crumbling dystopia would be recognizing the government as an evil institution of vampiric thieves, and a mass amount of people finally refusing to pay taxes.
You can fundamentally disagree with philosophical position espoused by a work while still appreciating the work itself
I wrote that pasta originally. I do think the film was well-made and enjoyable but the reason it fails is because of how didactic it is. I don't have to agree with every piece of art to appreciate it but the entire film is in service of painstakingly telling the audience its message. It spells it out over and over to the point where the movie goes on for way too long. There's no division between the aesthetic value and moral value of the film. It's a giant glowing sign telling you what to think rather than allow the audience to use their own intuition and reflect on its themes. That's why it has such a huge effect on people; it manipulates their emotions with sentimental bullshit without justifying its own ideology. So I can't separate the art from the message.
appreciate it, anon
I think the film functions enough on a basic interpersonal/character level that the clumsily-articulated themes don't ruin the entire experience for me.
If you accept the premise that life has no inherent meaning, then a position as banal as "be nice to one another and learn to accept the inherent absurdity of your Sisyphean existence" is probably the least destructive conclusion one could come to. The film is nihilistic, but of the absurdist Camus-brand.
I don't get why nihilism would be any more destructive than a life with a sense of purpose. Haven't loads of historical genocides and wars been based on the idea of gods chosen people destroying infidels etc. It doesn't seem to me that nihilism would be any more or less destructive
you lack basic reasoning nihalism makes destructive acts palitable that would otherwise be so obscene as to cause reprecussion
all of us are nhialistic in some aspect
but to laud the idea is profanity
Maybe you're just dumb and nihilism is for smart people
sure and maybe smart people dont exist
the oposition to nihalism isnt religion btw so the argument is framed incorrectly to begin with
however nihalism in its essence is corrupting in one form or another
to say that religion has failed and we should embrace nhialism is absured
"i cut my arm of so i should cut my head off"
is essentially what you are saying
Passive nihilism is not "destructive" in the short-term but it absolutely is suicide on a civilizational scale, because you forfeit any effort for positive construction. You don't want to change the world for the better, you don't want to challenge your institutions, you don't want to plan for the future. You instead wallow in your decadence and go along with society in fluidity. It's a sterile lifestyle that is currently killing many countries from within as their populations will be on the verge of collapse in the coming decades. The movie promotes this lifestyle very intentionally. It claims to support families but then conveniently endorses lesbianism which literally ends families. Their daughter is their only child. It's a genetic dead-end just like the liberal societies we live in which have no vision of a great future because we've already reached "the end of history."
You complain about religion being more destructive but ask yourself why those beliefs persist after thousands of years and countless extinct civilizations meanwhile our current values are already running out of steam after a couple centuries.
bro but it's a deep movie. like the girl was sad and the mom didn't stand up to her dad and stuff... and then the girl became happy and the mom was like real with people around here........... it moved me
Cope and seethe
actual cope & seethe
>trying so hard to twist the themes and tropes in the film to make a post about political shit
this is your brain on 4chan
>mom risks brain damage to save her daughter not the multiverse
>anon calls the movie pure cowardice
>father postumes he is afraid and never knows what is going on, but that doesn't deters him from being kind
>anon calls the movie pure cowardice
>anon questions if nothing matters why should we be good?
>the movie provided an answer.
this is the most pseud post i have ever seen on Cinemaphile.
no wonder it bashes the movie. only a pseud would.
when you do your taxes next time and see a pride parade in the street halt your daily commute, think to yourself "this is the best of all possible worlds" like this movie suggests you gay
oh, the edgy pseud is trying to frame the movie as "doing taxes".
i didn't even get into that because that part of the post is just retarded.
but if you insist, the "doing taxes" is to reiterate the point of belonging to a community. by "doing taxes" the moving is signaling that even if "doing taxes" is absurd, there are concessions one must make in order to live in a coherent society.
but you wouldn't really understand that because you are either a sociopath or a psychopath and we all exist to serve your needs.
>Verification not required.
This shit was playing when I went to put the fight on. Absolute most fuckin dogshit thing I've ever seen in my life. Holy fuckin cringe.
>This shit was playing when I went to put the fight on. Absolute most fuckin dogshit thing I've ever seen in my life. Holy fuckin cringe.
i dunno, your post ranks right up there too
playing when you put the fight on? what the fuck do you mean you liar
>The film was anti-nihilistic and pro-family
Lmao fucking idiot the exact opposite
It was completely disingenuous. If you thought that had soul you're a fucking idiot.
>Not an ounce of cynicism. The film was anti-nihilistic and pro-family
Yeah exactly it was cringe that's why I don't like it
>lady battling to keep her family together through multiple completely divergent universes
She was about to leave the second she got to be a celebrity. She even mocked her husband when she returned by saying how much better her life was without him and that she wished he could've seen it.
This movie is how I expect that Fred movie would have been. It's so thoroughly irritating and frantic.
>signs the divorce papers near the end(when he'd told her at the fucking start of the movie in the car that he only got divorce papers because she never pays attention to what he says otherwise)
>still stays with him at the end
>reveals the racoon to the customers
>helps him get the racoon back
>daughter from another timeline tries to kill her
>decides not to even though she doesn't even know her and killed the one from the original timeline
>the doughnut is never explained
>half the fucking movie is just pointless le quirky reddit random timeline jumps
>omg we have to stick buttplugs in out asses to jump timelines so random uwu
>literally promotes the message to asian mothers: don't passively promote fag culture to the older generation actively do so
Anyone who thinks this movie was deep or good in any way needs to be fucking killed
Why do normies and chuds equally hate "nihilism" and describe anything that rubs theur sensible I've feelings the wrong way as "nihilism"? I don't get it. Isn't nihilism just a philosophical position about making your own meaning in life ie. Nietzsche? Why do people use it to mean anything generically bad
>Isn't nihilism just a philosophical position about making your own meaning in life
Nihilism is just the idea that there is no inherrint meaning to life.
Chuds hate it because it destroys religion/tradition and leads to degeneracy.
Normies like it for the same reason, it justifies hedonism and consumerism which is easier than acetic morality.
Chuds like it because it leads to the ubermench and creating your own values (strength of will, nazi response to nihlism).
Normies hate it for the same reason, the idea that others can impose their values/will on them because of their lack of values/will.
But do chuds love it? I only ever see them mention it if it's disparaging ie. Endless /misc/ threads about how American media is nihilistic and soulless.
I dunno it seems like a practical worldview to being in a collapsing world and biosphere. Maybe I just don't get it but if I get stressed about global situation I just imagine the earth existing for millions of years hence and millions of years before I was born, countless lives of animals and plants struggling to survive and ultimately succumbing. It feels grounding to remember I'm just one of those critters and I will die and it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme. If that's nihilism I find it helpful
>I dunno it seems like a practical worldview to being in a collapsing world and biosphere. Maybe I just don't get it but if I get stressed about global situation I just imagine the earth existing for millions of years hence and millions of years before I was born, countless lives of animals and plants struggling to survive and ultimately succumbing. It feels grounding to remember I'm just one of those critters and I will die and it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme. If that's nihilism I find it helpful
Nihilism is then coming to the conclusion that life is simply not worth living. EEAAO offers the alternative that in the face of this our choice to love makes life worth living. The problem chuds have with it is that this conclusion still builds from the acceptance that nothing matters and there isnt much point in bettering your life or situation. Its a passive solution where as modern nihilism/decay demands an active solution.
The directors describe it as "positive nihilism" and it's essentially how most people live anyways. It's exactly what disgusted people like Nietzsche so much. You accept that God isn't real and that morality is a human construct and yet you still embrace the same Christian ethics of compassion and meekness. Why? Why not aspire towards something else? Why not create new values, virtues and civilizations? Why embrace the depravity of the modern world when you recognize how arbitrary it is? This is the worldview of most young people today and it's what the film endorses. Everything make be shitty and meaningless but you should still support your lesbian daughter because uhhhh..... you just should
>Nihilism is then coming to the conclusion that life is simply not worth living
But that's not what Nietzsche says or Schopenhauer. Every nihilist philosopher I've read says you should keep living in pursuit of a meaning that you build for yourself without losing sight of it being an arbitrary choice that you have made ie. Not the wil of God or destiny. I have never read a nihilist book where the author simply said "life isn't worth it, give up" - even Emil Cioran, the original incel and most depressing of all nihilists said suicide was pointless because "you always do it too late". I don't think any actual nihilist philosophy outside of random Internet posts is unironically advocating just giving up or outright suicide
Wait that disgusted Nietzsche? Why and how so? I thought his whole deal was god is dead so you have to make your own meaning in life?
The positive nihilism you just described seems like common sense. 98% of people hate their job but they go do it anyway because need the money even though we all understand money is artifical and inherently meaningless the economy is failing etc. Just seems pragmatic I guess not sure if many people treat it as an explicit philosophy though, most normies I meet are very much in the camp of "I'm not religious but I believe in a higher power watching over me/I believe my life has some purpose and meaning" mentality
>I believe my life has some purpose and meaning
then they aren't nihilists
the point that anon was making (not sure if neitzche ever explicitly said he was disgusted by it) is that if you acknowledge that the underlying value system for your life is false or wrong (religious values are based on the lie of god) and your response to this is to maintain those same values regardless (maintaining religious values without believing in god); then you are a hypocrite living a hollow unsubstantial existence. thats why neitzche prescribes making your some degree of reflection and making your own value system. most people dont do this, they do what the movie is suggesting and acknowledge that life is all meaningless while still maintaining the status quo of society with no reflection or effort in creating their own values.
The only positive value EEAAO espouses is the genetic accident of family. Basically the lowest form of value on par with animals who don't abandon/kill/eat their own offspring.
Funny that it was so celebrated by Hollywood, where a majority of celebrities have neglected kids that hate them, raised by stranger illegal Mexican nannies instead of their actual parents. Also where abortion is celebrated, pedophilia is overlooked and trans-kids are normalized. But yay family, lmao.
abortion SHOULD be celebrated
i don't know where republicans get off being "moralistic" about this one thing
>most people dont do this, they do what the movie is suggesting and acknowledge that life is all meaningless while still maintaining the status quo of society with no reflection or effort in creating their own values.
Exactly, this is why the movie is decadent garbage. very entertaining and thrillingly crafted but it has a deHispanicable purpose in the end. The entire time I felt like I was in a therapy session by some Brooklyn millennial telling me that I'm special and perfect despite how shitty society is. That's pretty much what the daughter's character was. It's OK that everything is meaningless and society sucks, just move on with it and inflate your ego while you're still alive
I’m curious what you think a better ending would be? They find Jesus? Then what? They decide to go to church on Sunday and vote for GOP grifters? What exactly is the better solution?
they turn to camera and tell the audience to turn off the movie, never again watch a hollywood film and burn every gnomish producer alive in minecraft
>What exactly is the better solution?
if they want to propose a solution to nihilism all they have to do is say something has definitive meaning and substantiate it in the film.
if God isn't real like this movie suggests then there is no real meaning to anything. even atheistic traditions like Buddhism or Taoism have esoteric and mystical elements which give life meaning, but if you're a typical liberal rationalist mutt then yeah literally there is no meaning at all. might as well just pay your heckin taxes and wear your gay pride pin
so you maintain that there is a meaning to the universe.
what is that meaning?
>so you maintain that there is a meaning to the universe
Im not making any claims about the universe, I'm describing how a movie could actually propose a solution to nihilism. this is a movie, its a piece of fiction; multiversal hopping and evil bagels dont actually exist. if you wanted to make literal God come down and say life is divine and inherently meaningful you could do that because its a fake movie. They could pick anything and say it is meaningful and make up a reason to substantiate it because its a movie. They opted for 'loving one another' as the antidote to nihilism but then didn't substantiate it against the claims they set up which is why its an unsatisfactory proposal.
it did propose a solution to nihilism. you just didn't like the solution because you a gay.
read the last sentence retard, they proposed a solution but didnt substantiate it.
>Life is inherently meaningless
>but love one another
because it is a valid strategy, gay.
just admit it. you a psycho and can't understand that kindness is a valid strategy to deal with the crushing awareness of an meaningless universe.
it's not that the movie doesn't propose a solution, it is you that aren't a full human to understand what was proposed.
the movie is fine, you are just incapable of being a normal human being.
by your own definition its a coping strategy not a solution
either you deluded yourself to believe there is a meaning, which is a coping mechanism, or you accept the truth, life has no inherent meaning and build upon that.
You can come to the same moral conclusions as Christianity without being a Christian, so espousing those values as a nihilist isn't necessarily hypocritical
Because everyone, even normies, recognize we are living in a crumbling dystopia. The reasons might differ, but everyone sees it. Nihilism is the easiest and most banal conclusion. A nihilistic movie in a time like this is essentially a waste of time.
>the answer the nihilism is absurdism
This is just Camus meets Rick and Morty
The daughter's voice and face were disgusting tbh
Isn't it about coming to terms with her lesbian daughter or something? I haven't seen it.
Either way it's not meant for me, a White person.
Medicore. Banshee was 10 time better.
I just watched this and I spent the entire movie repeating the words "this is reddit, this is memes, this is reddit, this is memes..." under my breath.
I fucking hated it. I was writhing around on the floor in front of the chair for the last 30 minutes it was so painful.
>Ayy quirky A24 movie lmao
If you liked it you're in the wrong place
i thought the characters having to do ridiculous and embarrasing shit to shift dimensions and gain "powers" was a pretty good parody of those gay anime transformation dances.
in general as a austin powers-esque parody of action movies its pretty decent though definitely not Oscar material
Really glad I got to see this movie when it came out. Got to have some great threads discussing it before every thread became a Reddit-tier contrarian shit show, as required by anything that gets popular on Cinemaphile.
Everyone is discussing the themes of this movie like they are well developed at all? Like besides literally pulling her daughter out of a nihilism doughnut how does it even portray nihilism? Taxes are shitty and conservative parents dont like gays? Divorce? I feel like theres almost nothing that justifies such an over-the-top metaphorical climax when none of the characters are particularly nihilistic. I guess theres the multiverse aspect that makes their lives feel insignificant, but it still needs to relate back to the “original” timeline which wasnt even that bad to begin with. This was a very upper middle class movie to me. I get the point was to portray “normal” feelings as big and epic, but then why have the nihilism theme at all? Just make it about the multiverse and realizing the timeline your in is actually the one you want, pretending it actually touches on true despair only muddies the waters.
Hey anon, quick question. Are you diagnosed with a mental handicap or did your parents just see the writing on the wall and avoid paying a doctor to tell them the obvious?
Holy shit I love the movie now
I just found out a few days ago this wasn't a Marvel/mcu movie.
Did anyone else think it was a marvel movie?
something can be cynical and still have soul... shit take
this movie was just goofy and kinda hard to follow
though i'll be honest i was already biased against the movie once i saw that papercutting scene.. i ain't about that life man soz
>Fanboy favorite Everything Everywhere All at Once epitomized the faithlessness at the heart of comic-book culture. Michelle Yeoh plays Evelyn Wang, a Chinese immigrant laundromat owner whose American-based working-class struggles import Hong Kong action-movie agnosticism. (What contemporary Hollywood film would dare recognize the moral struggles of native white, black, Latin, or Native Americans?) Unconcerned about the existence or nature of God, Evelyn is caught up in a materialistic world of new beliefs (her beta-male husband, lesbian daughter, and feminist IRS inspector).
> The film’s writing-directing team the Daniels (Dan Kwan and Daniel Scheinert, respectively Asian and Caucasian) challenge the real world by surrounding Evelyn in a circus-like multiverse — the new atheist box-office utopia. Evelyn’s journey toward self-empowerment comes down to tortured Buddhism — just as the Daniels make tortured, semi-jokey art films. Unschooled Marvel addicts who never heard of Kafka, Buñuel, or Chuck Jones easily fall for the entropy farce. The Daniels refuse narrative convention in order to represent our culture’s gradual decline into disorder. Their millennial solipsism — Evelyn against the world, through various dimensions — celebrates autism as insight.
>The film’s ultimate message: “Be Kind,” spoken by two rocks. It’s a childish palliative, unlike the recent self-critical protest songs by Van Morrison and Bob Dylan that insist on responsible personal choices. Yeoh brings adult stability to the blackout-skit chaos and cast of “stupid human” clowns.
What’s funny to me about /misc/ is how you fags always pretend you like family movies with trad values, but end up shitting and whining about the ones that do exist. Exhibit A: CODA
The truth is, Cinemaphile fags don’t care about movies unless they’re capeshit or ~~*diverse*~~
Nice reading comprehension, buddy
Marvel tier dogshit
>anti-nihilistic and pro-family
it was/is lgbt propaganda.
did you like the anus insertions?
It’s not hard to understand. It’s the definitive film for the younger generations
>frantic ADHD dopamine filmmaking style
>juvenile sex humor
>lolsorandom alternate universe humans with hotdog fingers (they jizz mustard out of them so they're also cocks!) and talking boulders
>pop culture references
>plenty of fight scenes and multiverse plot
>depressed gay minority millennial daughter
>generational trauma theme with overbearing immigrant mother
>existential nihilist thoughts suppressed by embracing the mediocrity of modern society
>the triumphant ending shows a struggling minority group choosing LGBT over their native cultures
Perfectly formulated slop.
>implying imaginary things aren't real
>the imaginary is anything you can imagine or think of
>the symbolic is anything you can assign meaning to
>the real is what which can neither be imagined or symbolized
The only good scenes are those WKW rip off scenes
>The film was anti-nihilistic
Brother are we watching the same film?